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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: gurn on March 30, 2011, 07:21:16 PM
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What about a sub-forum devoted to Obama & the Birthers?
You could call it the Birther Room or the Birthing Room.
I've always been pretty neutral on the subject.
I've actually read the immigration laws, BTW.
I never paid much attention. But I'm starting to pay attention now.
I think he was probably born in Hawaii, but there are a few big red flags here.
Most obvious, is his own behavior. He's sure as Hell acting like he's hiding something.
BUT...the bottom line legally, is that the State of Hawaii is not going to rescind that
short-form it has already certified, as long as Abercrombie is Governor.
The bottom line politically is anybody's guess. Is it possible Obama won't even run in 2012?
If there is any fire under all this smoke -- wow! In the words of Conway Twitty,
"Think about it, darlin'."
This business with the Social Security Numbers is very strange.
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/more-mystery-with-obamas-connecticut-social-security-no/
And remember how his Grandma died right befoe the election?
All of this stuff might just be a confluence of coincidences.
If not, America owes the Birthers an apology.
Also -- is it possible this might cause him not to even run in 2012?
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I don't see what's wrong with the Politics forum.
I suppose we could consider it.
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I hate child forums. I seldom visit them so the parent forum always shows as having new posts.
How about a pinned thread?
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I personally find the term "Birther" as offputting as the term "Teabagger", fwiw.
Posing legitimate questions about the qualifications of the president to actually BE the president, based upon, other things, his steadfast refusal to supply the requested birth certificate to the tune of defending millions of dollars' worth of lawsuits does not constitute a reason to insult those who DO question his right to be president.
I see no reason to hide these sorts of posts at all; in fact, we should probably be posting more of them.
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I'm just thinking there are a lot of different issues here.
Now there is the Social Security issue. A couple of months ago, it was Abercrombie's
vow to release the records & then his backing off from that.
Soldiers have faced court-martial. There were several court cases.
Now there is the potential criminal trial of the retired
Air Force officer who got Obama's draft records & Social Security Number.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/27372400/detail.html
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I hate child forums. I seldom visit them so the parent forum always shows as having new posts.
How about a pinned thread?
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I personally find the term "Birther" as offputting as the term "Teabagger", fwiw.
Posing legitimate questions about the qualifications of the president to actually BE the president, based upon, other things, his steadfast refusal to supply the requested birth certificate to the tune of defending millions of dollars' worth of lawsuits does not constitute a reason to insult those who DO question his right to be president.
I see no reason to hide these sorts of posts at all; in fact, we should probably be posting more of them.
I have no idea why it is considered 'crazy' to want to know why Obama has put so much effort into hiding his past. To be eligible for presidency, the president has to be an American citizen. Even if he is an American citizen, he should dispel any doubts by releasing that information.
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There are plenty of legitimate questions about this guy, and it's not just his birth certificate. School records, passports, foreign travel... why don't we know more about this guy?
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There are plenty of legitimate questions about this guy, and it's not just his birth certificate. School records, passports, foreign travel... why don't we know more about this guy?
It almost makes you think that Soros someone spread a lot of money around to hide his past and to keep it hidden.
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There are plenty of legitimate questions about this guy, and it's not just his birth certificate. School records, passports, foreign travel... why don't we know more about this guy?
Because nobody (except we, the "extremists") asked until it was too late........
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In his Libya speech, The Imam Barack told us he prays he has strength and is making the right decisions.
That's a very unsettling thing to say. He doesn't know if he's right, but does it anyway? If you do not know if it's the right thing to do - don't do it until you do.
That makes me wonder if this guy is even going to run again. The whole birth certificate issue makes me wonder even more. It ain't going away until he puts the matter to rest. But one way to make it fade quickly is to not run in 2012.
Wishful thinking? Maybe. But he certainly is an odd duck.
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Because nobody (except we, the "extremists") asked until it was too late........
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Well, SCOTUS had a chance to address it THREE TIMES to date and FAILED. That intrigues me more than Obama's lies, frankly.
Philip Berg's case, I believe, was the first.
Lots of stuff here. (http://obamacrimes.com/)
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Well, SCOTUS had a chance to address it THREE TIMES to date and FAILED. That intrigues me more than Obama's lies, frankly.
Philip Berg's case, I believe, was the first.
Lots of stuff here. (http://obamacrimes.com/)
It's up again in front of SCOTUS. I posted a thread about that a few weeks ago.
We have:
A.) The Birth Certificate Issue
B.) School in Jakarta(?) (Where he was required to be a citizen of that nation to attend school)
C.) Multiple Social Security numbers
D.) Non-disclosure of his college transcripts
and Lord knows what else is lurking in the shadows.
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From what I have heard, he traveled to Indonesia in the early 80's while there were sanctions against US citizens visiting or conducting business there. There are questions about how he was able to leave the country and enter Indonesia. From what I have heard, he was using HIS Indonesian-citizenship passport to do so.
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From what I have heard, he traveled to Indonesia in the early 80's while there were sanctions against US citizens visiting or conducting business there. There are questions about how he was able to leave the country and enter Indonesia. From what I have heard, he was using HIS Indonesian-citizenship passport to do so.
Indonesia doesn't allow dual citizenship, do they? :whistling:
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Indonesia doesn't allow dual citizenship, do they? :whistling:
Today, it's difficult for a foreigner to be granted citizenship in an ASEAN country.
I know something about that. But I don't know if he was a citizen or just a resident.
Even if he was a citizen, I'm not sure a dual citizen is disqualified from being a US President.
For example, Israel considers some Americans to be citizens of Israel automatically.
I'm not sure a President would be required to renounce that. I've never looked at it.
OTOH, a person born outside the US or it's possessions, territories, would be disqualified.
That's how I read 'Natural born'.
I know a guy who went to HS with the Imam Barack. His Hawaii history
is documented after Kindergarten. But up to that time, it's very mysterious.
His Mom supposedly lived in Pakistan.
WTF????
The MSM has tried to bury this stuff. But with Trump wading
into it. Maybe something will break. Trump acts like he knows
Something. I dunno if he does or not.
Also, because his father was a Muslim, he was born a Muslim.
I've had Muslims tell me that.
life are very unclear.
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The whole birth certificate thing really pisses me off. My son enrolled in our local community college early this month and was required to produce HIS birth certificiate. But we're all supposed to accept the word of Dingy Hairy and Nancy the Louse that Barack is a natural born US citizen.
He's a natural born something, all right, but not US citizen. :censored:
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Dual Nationality: Indonesian law does not recognize dual nationality for adults over 18 years of age. Because of this law, U.S. citizens who are also documented as Indonesian nationals may experience difficulties with immigration formalities in Indonesia. Holding dual citizenship may also hamper the U.S. Embassy's ability to provide consular protection to dual national U.S. citizens. In addition to being subject to all Indonesian laws affecting U.S. citizens, dual nationals may also be subject to other laws that impose special obligations on Indonesian citizens. In July 2006, the Indonesian Parliament passed new legislation allowing children under age 18 to hold foreign as well as Indonesian citizenship. Parents whose children hold both Indonesian and U.S. citizenship continue to experience difficulties with entry and exit immigration procedures.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_2052.html
Apparently they didn't allow dual citizenship even for minors back then.
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I'd be surprised if he had been an Indonesian citizen. Very unlikely.
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The Rocky Mountain News reported - then retracted - that Obama was a dual citizen of the US and Kenya. (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/06/things-you-might-not-know-about-barack-obama/?partner=yahoo_headlines)
This article at Answers.com is wrong.
Can A President Have Dual Citizenship? (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_US_president_have_dual_citizenship)
It is wrong because the fact that someone is born in the US does not disqualify that person from
having dual citizenship. Israel allows for persons born in the US to be citizens of Israel as well.
I think other countries do also. For example, the current King of Thailand was born in Massachusetts.
I know a man born in New Mexico whose parents were visiting from Germany. He is a dual citizen of
the US and Germany.
But can a dual citizen be President? The Constitution does not specifically forbid it.
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Now, if Obama were born outside the US, he would not be eligible for President. In fact, he would not even be a lawful permanent resident
(green card holder). But if he were born in Hawaii & was also a citizen of another country, I don't see where that is disallowed.
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hotair.com, a respectable conservative site I read all day every day, wishes this would go away. I still love them.
I was NOT a birther when this started. In fact I was embarrassed by the entire controversy and I'm sure if you scan CC threads from just after the election you can find my posts to that effect but Obama and his defenders have made me a birther by having no answer except to scream "RACIST!"
This is how tedious this controversy has become.
From the supposed "factcheck" site:
Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.
Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."
Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
You got that?
Annoying a state official is proof that what you're annoying her about is all in your imagination.
And then we don't have the long-form, just her word that she has seen the long-form...which they won't release.
Why?
hackcheck.org continues:
The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.
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So, you see, its the STATE'S refusal to answer numerous questions or say why you refuse to answer that proves just how loony the birthers have become.
My suggestion as to how one should respond when this tripe is offered as a dismissal: So what was the name of the doctor that delivered Obama?
hackcheck also desperately misrepresents Corsi's position on the short-form cert. I can hear Corsi on the radio every other day as he talks to one of the local hosts. What hackchecck claims he disputes I have never heard him say.
Case in point: the short-form lists father's race as "African" and you can see it in the photo provided at the linked article. Hawaii did not count "African" as a race. The choices were "negro" or "colored" and no birth certificate from that era says otherwise.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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hotair.com, a respectable conservative site I read all day every day, wishes this would go away. I still love them."
I'm a Trump supporter. I'm worried he's staking everything on this. And it would show bad judgment
if he got it wrong. So I'm hoping he knows something we don't. Like you, I wasn't a Birther before either.
When Trump waded in & Gov. Abercrombie waded in & waded right back out, that got me interested.
O'Reilly chided Trump on that on his March 30, 2011 episode. Trump's coming back the 31st to talk about China, trade (I hope).
This whole controversy has drowned out the important part of his message.
SGT Snuggle Bunny:
"I was NOT a birther when this started. In fact I was embarrassed by the entire controversy and I'm sure if you scan CC threads from just after the election you can find my posts to that effect but Obama and his defenders have made me a birther by having no answer except to scream "RACIST!"
This is how tedious this controversy has become.
From the supposed "factcheck" site:
Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."....
Case in point: the short-form lists father's race as "African" and you can see it in the photo provided at the linked article. Hawaii did not count "African" as a race. The choices were "negro" or "colored" and no birth certificate from that era says otherwise.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Hmmmm. :???:
"Well today, Stanley had a baby."
About the obstetrician who purportedly delivered him, his name was Rodney West.
He's dead. But a woman named Barbara Nelson claimed to remember a dinner
conversation with him the week Obama was born. She claimed this in January, 2009.
That was 47 1/2 years after the conversation.
The conversation is here. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
Assign whatever credibility you will to it. Basically it comes down to,
"Well today, Stanley had a baby."
(I would C&P it. But for some reason, that's disabled.)
Here's a more complete version of the official story.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/more-testimony-obama-was-born-in-k/
Photo of her here.
http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/res10o2yg/obama/Teacher%20from%20Kenmore%20recalls%20Obama%20was%20a%20focused%20student%20%20Don%27t%20Miss%20%20The%20Buffalo%20News.htm
She doesn't look old enough to be having drinks with an obstetrician in 1961. She was Obama's English teacher in HS.
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Snopes, The Smoking Gun, Factcheck.org have all become (or always were),
partisan outlets for Obama's campaign committee.
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Obama was born a Muslim though. Ask any Muslim about it. If you're born to a Muslim father, you're a Muslim.
That's probably not on his birth certificate (assuming there is one).
Concerning the newspaper announcements, yeah they are evidence.
They're not persuasive evidence. But they're worth considering,
especially if they were actually generated by the hospital.
But why the cover-up?
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Just IMHO, I would expect he does have a Hawaii birth cert, and it isn't the PLACE of birth that he wants to keep secret, it's something else, like claiming his father was an Arab, native Hawaiian, or something else other than 'Black,' and/or declaring religion as 'Muslim.'
As for the transcripts, the apparent reason would be that his actual crappy grades make him look like a Harvard affirmative action admittee rather than a soopergenius, which is about as well-kept a secret as American military SOF operators on the ground in Libya for all of March 2011 anyway...especially with Ayers more-or-less outing him on the ghostwritten "Autobiography" recently.
It would be pretty damned funny to find out Sarah Palin had a higher GPA, though.
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Was Obama born or raised a Muslim?
The answer to both is - yes.
I can't fault a kid for doing what his parents tell him or for attending the school they send him to.
But he's an adult now. And he's been lying to us about his Muslim childhood.
http://www.danielpipes.org/5286/was-barack-obama-a-muslim
My father was from Kenya, and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn't practice Islam. Truth is he wasn't very religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and they married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I've always been a Christian. The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country. But I've never practiced Islam. … For a while, I lived in Indonesia because my mother was teaching there. And that's a Muslim country. And I went to school. But I didn't practice. But what I do think it does is it gives me insight into how these folks think, and part of how I think we can create a better relationship with the Middle East and that would help make us safer is if we can understand how they think about issues."
He attended a public school and a Catholic School in Indonesia. The Catholic School records showed him as a Muslim.
It's not clear what the public school records showed. But why would it be any different?
If he were listed as a Muslim at the Public School (and he had to be listed as some religion),
he would have been required to attend Islamic Studies classes.
His former Roman Catholic and Muslim teachers, along with two people who were identified by Obama's grade-school teacher as childhood friends, say Obama was registered by his family as a Muslim at both schools he attended. That registration meant that during the third and fourth grades, Obama learned about Islam for two hours each week in religion class.
The childhood friends say Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque. "We prayed but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played," said Zulfin Adi. … Obama's younger sister, Maya Soetoro, said in a statement released by the campaign that the family attended the mosque only "for big communal events," not every Friday.
Unknown facts about Obama? He was born a Muslim. He was raised a Muslim until he returned to Hawaii.
Interesting Question: Is his sister, Maya (daughter of Lolo Soetero), a Muslim?
Update to Pipes' article & resply to MM's criticism of the article. (http://www.danielpipes.org/5354/confirmed-barack-obama-practiced-islam)
He converted to Christianity after being a Muslim, therefore, Obama is a Muslim apostate. And Islamic scriptures
mandate a punishment for Muslims who convert to other religions.
"Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17
"Whoever changed his (Islamic) religion, then kill him" Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:84:57
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Businessman and possible 2012 GOP contender Herman Cain says he understands why people want President Obama to bring out some proof of his eligibility to occupy the Oval Office.
He said in an interview with Shark-Tank.net he respects people who believe Obama "should prove he was born in the United States of America."
Read more: Another presidential hopeful wants Obama eligibility proof http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=282117#ixzz1ILP69t1d
:cheersmate:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=282117
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I don't understand why this non-issue is an issue. The financial institutions gave us Barack Obama. It wouldn't matter if he was a sock puppet, MUCH LESS a non-citizen. Barack Obama has given you conservatives everything you could hope for, and possibly more. He's extended the two wars started by Bush. He's bombed Yemen (always a plus). He's kept as many dictators in power as he possibly can (Maybe a tribute to the soft heartiness of the left?). He is currently leading a coup in Libya for oil and stability (Libya is the third largest EU exporter of sweet crude). He gave the swindling health care companies MORE money which conservatives could only dream of doing. Obama isn't a Republican, but he is a straight shooting **** up, no doubt about that.
His promise to not be a war monger, and give universal health care are all over and done dreams. Pat yourselves on the back conservatives, your inside horse is winning the race.
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I don't understand why this non-issue is an issue. The financial institutions gave us Barack Obama.
Nope. Liberal idiots like you gave us Barack Obama. Conservatives didn't vote for him.
Financial institutions just gave him a loan. And he paid them back with interest baby.
It wouldn't matter if he was a sock puppet, MUCH LESS a non-citizen. Barack Obama has given you conservatives everything you could hope for
Umm...Not quite all this conservative could hope for.
"...and possibly more. He's extended the two wars started by Bush. He's bombed Yemen (always a plus). He's kept as many dictators in power as he possibly can (Maybe a tribute to the soft heartiness of the left?). He is currently leading a coup in Libya for oil
I wish he was doing it for oil. That would make sense. But I still don't know WTF he went into Libya for or why he escalated in Afghanistan.
Even Dubya wasn't stupid enough to do that.
and stability (Libya is the third largest EU exporter of sweet crude). He gave the swindling health care companies MORE money which conservatives could only dream of doing. Obama isn't a Republican, but he is a straight shooting **** up, no doubt about that.
His promise to not be a war monger, and give universal health care are all over and done dreams. Pat yourselves on the back conservatives, your inside horse is winning the race.
Welcome to the Conservative Cave BTW.
When a President lies, it's an issue. Obama was a Muslim in his childhood. That's not his fault.
But when he was an adult, he lied to us about it. That is his fault.
I don't know where he was born. He is a US Citizen - until the State of Hawaii rescinds his short-form
or until Congress subpoenas the records and finds there aren't any.
Neither is going to happen. So he is a US Citizen for the time-being.
This is something historians will probably have to figure out down the road.
And I'm confident they will.
But he sure acts like he's trying to hide something.
And he lied about religion. He may have converted to Christianity.
But he was raised a Muslim until he returned to Hawaii. And he lied about it.
And under Islamic law, he was born a Muslim to a Muslim father.
That's not his fault. But it is his fault he lied about it.
(http://rosettasister.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/barry-soetoro-indonesia-school-record.jpg)
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Nope. Liberal idiots like you gave us Barack Obama. Conservatives didn't vote for him.
Financial institutions just gave him a loan. And he paid them back with interest baby.
Come now, I am no idiot. I have devoted a vast amount of time precisely to not be called an idiot.
I wish he was doing it for oil. That would make sense. But I still don't know WTF he went into Libya for.
It's for sweet crude. And it's the reason. You don't have to believe me now, but we'll later find out it was ANOTHER horrible atrocity for resource and stability. Which is to say, that it wouldn't have mattered if the mans face was purple pokkadots and was from outer space. Voting is meant to be a spectacle, ever since Madison. With all the PAC lobbies you're pretty much voting for your favorite company, and I'd argue most of the time it wouldn't matter who you voted for. This next election is to cost billions, and with ANOTHER financial crisis VERY SOON, I imagine Barack or another centered democrat will be put into office. So that the "free-market" titans can go running to the "Nanny-State" as often as it needs to, and then go back to funding conservatives.
For the above "conspiracy" his birth is of no significance.
Thanks for the welcome. :)
*Edit I should also note, that I voted for McCain because of the financial institutions backing! You may be pleased to know.
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Come now, I am no idiot. I have devoted a vast amount of time precisely to not be called an idiot.
It was apparently wasted.
You do make a little sense, now & then though.
It's for sweet crude. And it's the reason. You don't have to believe me now, but we'll later find out it was ANOTHER horrible atrocity for resource and stability. Which is to say, that it wouldn't have mattered if the mans face was purple pokkadots and was from outer space. Voting is meant to be a spectacle, ever since Madison. With all the PAC lobbies you're pretty much voting for your favorite company, and I'd argue most of the time it wouldn't matter who you voted for. This next election is to cost billions, and with ANOTHER financial crisis VERY SOON, I imagine Barack or another centered democrat will be put into office. So that the "free-market" titans can go running to the "Nanny-State" as often as it needs to, and then go back to funding conservatives.
For the above "conspiracy" his birth is of no significance.
Thanks for the welcome. :)
*Edit I should also note, that I voted for McCain because of the financial institutions backing! You may be pleased to know.
Well, I'll take your word for it. In the future, I'll remove one word, 'Liberal' or Idiot', take your pick.
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Well, I'll take your word for it. In the future, I'll remove one word, 'Liberal' or Idiot', take your pick.
Liberal. I rather you assume my intelligence is lower than yours, than put a platform under me for which you can make repeated attacks under no basis or knowledge of my lifestyle or my life choices. Idiot is virtual, it's in the eye of the beholder, "Liberal" in a conservative forum, is chum in the waters.
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Come now, I am no idiot. I have devoted a vast amount of time precisely to not be called an idiot.
It's for sweet crude. And it's the reason. You don't have to believe me now, but we'll later find out it was ANOTHER horrible atrocity for resource and stability. Which is to say, that it wouldn't have mattered if the mans face was purple pokkadots and was from outer space. Voting is meant to be a spectacle, ever since Madison. With all the PAC lobbies you're pretty much voting for your favorite company, and I'd argue most of the time it wouldn't matter who you voted for. This next election is to cost billions, and with ANOTHER financial crisis VERY SOON, I imagine Barack or another centered democrat will be put into office. So that the "free-market" titans can go running to the "Nanny-State" as often as it needs to, and then go back to funding conservatives.
For the above "conspiracy" his birth is of no significance.
Thanks for the welcome. :)
*Edit I should also note, that I voted for McCain because of the financial institutions backing! You may be pleased to know.
You voted for McCain? Then you're right about not being an idiot. You are an imbecile, an absolute ****ing retard. :thatsright:
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You voted for McCain? Then you're right about not being an idiot. You are an imbecile, an absolute ****ing retard. :thatsright:
Haha, I bet you couldn't explain that position if you tried.
What is this, a veiled cover up for the racist tea baggers? I thought this was a conservative forum, not a radical Nazi xenophobic gathering of tea baggers (Not to be confused with their master syndicate the Republican party).
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Haha, I bet you couldn't explain that position if you tried.
What is this, a veiled cover up for the racist tea baggers? I thought this was a conservative forum, not a radical Nazi xenophobic gathering of tea baggers (Not to be confused with their master syndicate the Republican party).
Tryptamine, if they're the tea baggers, what does that make you?
Close your eyes, it makes it easier and less gross.....
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Tryptamine, if they're the tea baggers, what does that make you?
Close your eyes, it makes it easier and less gross.....
Is this you explaining your position? I did not insult you, I was merely stating an observation, which led to an opinion.
I'd like to see you try ad explain what makes me "an absolute retard". I doubt you'll be able to on your own two feet and defending your position without previous disposed of rhetoric that you caught off the air ways. If you are able to stand on your two feet, you can explain to me, your statement, and then, why it would be wrong to have my stance.
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You're not from the Harmony Central P*** Parade are you?
You writing resembles some of the *GLAD's in that place. And a lot of them are bailing out from the Imam Barack's rat-infested playpool.
But I don't know any of them who voted for McCain.
(GLADs: Gay Liberal Atheist Democrats/'GLAMs = Gay Liberal Atheist Muslims).
So contribute to this thread. What are the unanswered questions about the Imam Barack you've noticed?
We've settled - he was born and raised a Muslim until he returned to Hawaii.
So what's he trying to hide?
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Actually I just have a non-polarized view and belong to no said organization. Not that it would matter, your conclusions are made before the conversation has ended.
There's more to hide than his Birth Certificate. Do you think the biggest tragedy of Bill Clinton was the sex act? No. He murdered many, many people. And supplied arms to many terrorists and dictators. Keeping you worried where he was born keeps you from asking deeper questions where you then will see that it is not black and white. Grey rules the world, and it is vicious. Do you think JFK getting shot was a world changing event? No. Nothing changed. The failure of the Bay of Pigs, to almost ending the world, to upping the aggression in Vietnam. These democrats are no better than the war mongering Republicans. You can argue they're just sneakier as the Hawks are overt and posturing about it.
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GLAMs = Gay Liberal Atheist Muslims
Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?
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Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?
Yeah.
Someone else invented that acronym, not me. But all this is very HCPP.
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It's starting to make sense now.
Fascinating article at WND by former Hawaii Vital Statistics employee.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401
"Certifications of Live Birth were given to people who were born at home, or to people who were born overseas and whose parents brought them back to the islands. If his parents were U.S. citizens, or if one parent was a U.S. citizen, as was the case with Obama, the family would apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate when the parents came back from overseas. That's normally how you would have gotten on [a Certification of Live Birth] in the 1960s."
Read more: Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1IeAjrHFZ
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This stuff is very interesting and I start to wonder about it and then I say to myself "wouldn't Hill/Bill busted his ass then?"
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This stuff is very interesting and I start to wonder about it and then I say to myself "wouldn't Hill/Bill busted his ass then?"
Bill didn't want to ruin his status as the "first black president" and Hillary couldn't get someone else to do her dirty work for her. They always wanted to do as much as possible to keep their hands clean.
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This stuff is very interesting and I start to wonder about it and then I say to myself "wouldn't Hill/Bill busted his ass then?"
You've got a point. I've wondered too.
But then, what motivates the Clintons?
Self-interest.
Maybe it wasn't in their interest to bust this story open before the election.
If a short-form certification could be had by any person born to a US Citizen overseas
in the 1960's, this is a HUGE scandal. Hawaii was running its own US Citizenship service -
bypassing INS completely and falsifying public records.
The benefit of being born on US soil is not just that you can be elected President.
It gets you automatic, irrevocable US Citizenship, a blue passport, Social Security Number,
public school enrollment, entitlement eligibility.
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Haha, I bet you couldn't explain that position if you tried.
What is this, a veiled cover up for the racist tea baggers? I thought this was a conservative forum, not a radical Nazi xenophobic gathering of tea baggers (Not to be confused with their master syndicate the Republican party).
:awjeez:
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I was talking this BC problem with a friend who was adopted herself in the 1960's. She has both her original birth certificate and the new one issued when she was adopted.
Her original hospital records were sealed after the adoption, but her mother had kept the original certificate. The only difference in the two long forms are the name and information on her birth farther was removed and the name and information on the adopted father put in its place. She had to laugh as the certificate shows that she was born to parents that would not meet until 5 years later after her birth.
She told me that 30 years later she met her birth father and for some reason they went looking for the original certificate but the records had been sealed and the State had no record of the birth. Finally someone came up with the bright idea of going to the hospital she was born and requesting a list of the names of children born on that date. Sure enough her name was there.
So if Barry was adopted there will be no original long form as those records would be sealed. His birth certificate would be under his adopted fathers name.
How hard is it to find out what hospitals were in Honolulu at that time and just request a listing of children born on his birthday.???
Then the strange idea that perhaps it was his mother that took the new born from a relative of her husband in Kanya and for some reason had to get the newborn out of Kenya real fast by claiming the child was hers and an American citizen -----perhaps to protect an unwed woman in a Muslem country from the harsh punishment she would be given if the facts were known.
We concentrate on the fathers but seldom ask questions about the mother. Barry's father's 2 wife [ who is referred to as grandmother in that culture] says she was there when Barry was born, but no one speaks about his mother .
Another scenario is while pregnant his father took on another wife so Berry's mother upset got the child out of the country as fast as she could to make her baby an American citizen and beyond the reach of her husbands family.
All of the above is I know far fetched, but truth is stranger then fiction and any cockamamie ideas we may think up. Does anybody out there have any kind of--- way out there---- ideas on what may have happend.???
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If a short-form certification could be had by any person born to a US Citizen overseas
in the 1960's, this is a HUGE scandal. Hawaii was running its own US Citizenship service -
bypassing INS completely and falsifying public records.
The benefit of being born on US soil is not just that you can be elected President.
It gets you automatic, irrevocable US Citizenship, a blue passport, Social Security Number,
public school enrollment, entitlement eligibility.
Huh?
What exactly are you objecting to, or alleging here?
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You've got a point. I've wondered too.
But then, what motivates the Clintons?
Self-interest.
Maybe it wasn't in their interest to bust this story open before the election.
If a short-form certification could be had by any person born to a US Citizen overseas
in the 1960's, this is a HUGE scandal. Hawaii was running its own US Citizenship service -
bypassing INS completely and falsifying public records.
The benefit of being born on US soil is not just that you can be elected President.
It gets you automatic, irrevocable US Citizenship, a blue passport, Social Security Number,
public school enrollment, entitlement eligibility.
I don't know. Hillary thought it was, remember it was her team that floated this story to start. It just didn't get any real traction. Also, the Dem party bosses and the media were pretty much all in the Barry tank by then. The only thing she would have accomplished by pushing harder would be to look like a mean, grasping, power-hungry harpy-bitch.
Ok, looking like more of a mean, grasping, power-hungry harpy-bitch. :-)
The party even changed the rules to suit Barry while people who looked into the citizenship thing were marginalized. She gets nothing from following that path.
She might get something by leaving it alone and letting the other side work it, though. She ain't dumb.
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I don't know. Hillary thought it was, remember it was her team that floated this story to start. It just didn't get any real traction. Also, the Dem party bosses and the media were pretty much all in the Barry tank by then. The only thing she would have accomplished by pushing harder would be to look like a mean, grasping, power-hungry harpy-bitch.
Ok, looking like more of a mean, grasping, power-hungry harpy-bitch. :-)
The party even changed the rules to suit Barry while people who looked into the citizenship thing were marginalized. She gets nothing from following that path.
She might get something by leaving it alone and letting the other side work it, though. She ain't dumb.
We have to remember, also, that some of Barry's backers are ethically and morally challenged to put it mildly. Maybe Hillary was "told" it would be best for her to leave the birth certificate thing alone.
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Huh?
What exactly are you objecting to, or alleging here?
Concerning the State of Hawaii policies of COLB:
The laws governing derivative citizenship were different before 1971. Conceivably, children born abroad
to US Citizen mothers who were not eligible for derivative citizenship, could have been issued COLB's by Hawaii.
COLB's state that the children were born IN Hawaii. INS would accept as evidence of US citizenship by birth.
Concerning Obama: (This assumes he was NOT born in Hawaii. If he was - this doesn't apply).
The law governing children born outside the US to US Citizen mothers & 'alien' fathers, at the time of Obama's birth was:
"a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided that any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States by such citizen parent may be included in computing the physical presence requirements of this paragraph."
Obama's mother was 17 at the time he was born. It would be impossible for her to have resided in the US
for five years after age 14.
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This is documented history.. RESEARCH IT YOURSELF THEN SPREAD THE WORD lib media has destroyed all reality and facts
During the process of writing the U.S. Constitution Alexander Hamilton submitted a proposal for the qualification requirements in Article II as to the necessary Citizenship status for the office of President and Commander in Chief of the Military.
Alexander Hamilton’s suggested Presidential requirement appearing in the first draft of the Constitution wherein Hamilton on June 18, 1787 submitted the following:
"No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States."
Many of the founders and framers had a fear of foreign influence on the person who would in the future be President of the United States since this particular office was singularly and uniquely powerful under the proposed new Constitution. He was also the Commander in Chief of the military. This fear of foreign influence on a future President was particularly strongly felt by John Jay, who later became the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. He felt so strongly about the issue of potential foreign influence that upon reading the proposed language put forward by Hamilton that he took it upon himself to draft a letter to General George Washington, the presiding officer of the Constitutional Convention, recommending/hinting that the framers should strengthen the Citizenship requirements. John Jay was an avid reader and proponent of natural law and particularly Vattel's codification of natural law and the Law of Nations. In his letter to Washington he said that the Citizenship requirement for the office of the President should be a "strong check" against foreign influence and he recommended to Washington that the Presidency be open only to a "natural born Citizen", not just simply a "born Citizen" as Hamilton had proposed. See a transcription of Jay's letter to Washington dated 25 Jul 1787 at this link.
The below is the relevant proposed change language from Jay's letter which he proposed to strengthen what Hamilton had proposed for Article II and to require more than just being a "born Citizen" of the United States to serve as a future Commander in Chief and President.
John Jay wrote in a letter to George Washington dated 25 Jul 1787:
"Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen. "
This letter from Jay was written on July 25, 1787. It is historically in direct response to Alexander Hamilton’s suggested Presidential qualification requirements appearing in the first draft of the Constitution wherein Hamilton – five weeks earlier on June 18, 1787 - which required one only be "born a Citizen of the United States". General Washington passed on the recommendation from Jay to the convention and it was adopted in the next draft and was accepted adding the adjective "natural" making it "natural born Citizen of the United States" for future Presidents and Commanders in Chief of the military. Thus Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution, the fundamental law of our nation reads:
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of U.S. Constitution as adopted 17 Sep 1787:
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
There you have the crux of the issue now before the nation and the answer.
Hamilton’s original drafted presidential citizenship eligibility requirement was that a Citizen simply had to be a born Citizen of the USA, i.e., a Citizen by Birth. But that status was rejected by the framers. Instead of allowing any person "born a citizen" to be President, the framers chose to adopt the more stringent requirement recommended by John Jay to block any chance of the person with foreign allegiances or claims on their allegiance at birth from becoming President and Commander of the Military. No person having any foreign influence or claim of allegiance on them at birth could serve as a future President. The person must be a "natural born citizen" with unity of citizenship and sole allegiance to the United States at birth.
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Concerning the State of Hawaii policies of COLB:
The laws governing derivative citizenship were different before 1971. Conceivably, children born abroad
to US Citizen mothers who were not eligible for derivative citizenship, could have been issued COLB's by Hawaii.
COLB's state that the children were born IN Hawaii. INS would accept as evidence of US citizenship by birth.
Concerning Obama: (This assumes he was NOT born in Hawaii. If he was - this doesn't apply).
The law governing children born outside the US to US Citizen mothers & 'alien' fathers, at the time of Obama's birth was:
Obama's mother was 17 at the time he was born. It would be impossible for her to have resided in the US
for five years after age 14.
I wasn't clear- this cleared it up.
I couldn't tell from your previous post if you were objecting to Certificates of Birth Abroad, or to the specific circumstances here.
:cheersmate:
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Unfortunately, this is something historians will have to explain. Hawaii will not rescind the COLB.
But if Trump doesn't back down and if other candidates and talking heads start asking questions,
it might cost the Imam Barack the election.
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:fuelfire:
Factoids to throw on the fire:
1. Obama's parents purportedly married on February 2, 1961. She would have been 18 - not 17 at the time.
2. At the time they married , his Dad was already married to a woman in Kenya. Thus, the marriage was
null & void. His Dad under US law, could have been a bigamist. (Obamabots have argued that the Kenyan
marriage was not legal under Kenyan law, thus making the US marriage valid.)
3. According to Obama's story, they lived together in Hawaii until his Dad went to Harvard in 1962.
4. But we know his Mom & her son split 2 weeks after giving birth to Seattle.
5. And we know his Dad did not go with them.
6. There is apparently no evidence they ever lived together.
7. There is apparently no reference to the marriage, except when his Mom filed for divorce in 1964.
8. No one was invited to the marriage. Her friends were surprised to learn of it.
9. The marriage is referenced in the divorce, but nobody has produced a marriage certificate.
Obama's father had an agenda: to return to his home country and help reinvent Kenya. He wanted to take his new family with him. But he also had a wife from a previous marriage there—a marriage that may or may not have been legal.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-3,00.html#ixzz1IlCardrk
A propaganda arm of the Obama Re-Election Campaign, Snopes.com, completely omits the fact that
his Mom moved to Seattle w/o his Dad, when Barack was 2 weeks old.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
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None of this information would have been on his birth certificate.
It's still very bizarre why he would try to hide it.
I've never seen a stranger story in American politics.
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4. But we know his Mom & her son split 2 weeks after giving birth to Seattle.
She gave birth to Seattle? What a busy little hippie!
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She gave birth to Seattle? What a busy little hippie!
Hey, when you're able to use the space needle for a dildo... :-)
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Yeah. She gave birth to Seattle two weeks after giving birth to the Imam Barack.
And the MSM has completely covered that up too.
I watched Trump on TODAY interview. He acts like he has something.
It runs from about 4:00 to 6:00
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42469716#42469716
He has investigators in Hawaii.
Trump: "I have people who have actually been studying it. And they cannot believe what they're finding,"
Interviewer: "You have people down there now, searching? I mean in Hawaii."
Trump: "Absolutely. And they cannot believe what they are finding.
I would like to have him show his birth certificate. And to be honest with you, I hope he can, because
if he can't...and if he wasn't born in this country, which is a real possibility...much greater than I thought
two or three weeks ago, then he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics."
I hope Trump's investigators are good. His credibility is going to take a big hit if they're not."
But if they are, then he's busting wide open the greatest political scandal in American history.
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:fuelfire:
Factoids to throw on the fire:
1. Obama's parents purportedly married on February 2, 1961. She would have been 18 - not 17 at the time.
2. At the time they married , his Dad was already married to a woman in Kenya. Thus, the marriage was
null & void. His Dad under US law, could have been a bigamist. (Obamabots have argued that the Kenyan
marriage was not legal under Kenyan law, thus making the US marriage valid.)
3. According to Obama's story, they lived together in Hawaii until his Dad went to Harvard in 1962.
4. But we know his Mom & her son split 2 weeks after giving birth to Seattle.
5. And we know his Dad did not go with them.
6. There is apparently no evidence they ever lived together.
7. There is apparently no reference to the marriage, except when his Mom filed for divorce in 1964.
8. No one was invited to the marriage. Her friends were surprised to learn of it.
9. The marriage is referenced in the divorce, but nobody has produced a marriage certificate.
A propaganda arm of the Obama Re-Election Campaign, Snopes.com, completely omits the fact that
his Mom moved to Seattle w/o his Dad, when Barack was 2 weeks old.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
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None of this information would have been on his birth certificate.
It's still very bizarre why he would try to hide it.
I've never seen a stranger story in American politics.
Time line here is very strange.
His mother at [18] marries a man who has a wife in Kenya when she ,as she says, was 3 months pregnant---then for some reason goes back to Kanya where his first wife is and stays in a rundown shack for 6 months with her inlaws --- and perhaps his first wife--- and a week or so before her due date gets on a boat for a trans Pacific trip home.
The Hippie culture had not come into being at that time--we were still referring to the kids as Beatniks. Drugs and free sex were a few years in the future.
Two weeks after the birth she shags ass to Seattle , half a world away from her family with just the child, alone and still a very young girl, still a minor at that time. Got to remember this is only 2 weeks after giving birth.
Now The father shows up in New England when the boy was 2 and when one says someone goes to Harvard it usually refers to being a student. Mean while his mother gets some kind of a divorce from the father and remarries another Muslim this time from Indonesia.
It is said the stepfather adopted Obama but if so why is the child that only met his father once in his life not going by the last name of the only father he remembers.
Why did his mother send him back to go to school in Hawaii and be raised by her mother.? Did she leave Indonesia also or stay there?? Where did the money for his education come from and what side of the family paid for it??? How old was he when he first met his fathers people in Kanya, ----Who are these step brothers and sisters over there and this so called Aunt that has been in the country illegally for years---who the Hell is she? Is it possible she is his birth mother???
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Time line here is very strange.
His mother at [18] marries a man who has a wife in Kenya when she ,as she says, was 3 months pregnant---then for some reason goes back to Kanya where his first wife is and stays in a rundown shack for 6 months with her inlaws --- and perhaps his first wife--- and a week or so before her due date gets on a boat for a trans Pacific trip home.
The Hippie culture had not come into being at that time--we were still referring to the kids as Beatniks. Drugs and free sex were a few years in the future.
Two weeks after the birth she shags ass to Seattle , half a world away from her family with just the child, alone and still a very young girl, still a minor at that time. Got to remember this is only 2 weeks after giving birth.
Now The father shows up in New England when the boy was 2 and when one says someone goes to Harvard it usually refers to being a student. Mean while his mother gets some kind of a divorce from the father and remarries another Muslim this time from Indonesia.
It is said the stepfather adopted Obama but if so why is the child that only met his father once in his life not going by the last name of the only father he remembers.
Why did his mother send him back to go to school in Hawaii and be raised by her mother.? Did she leave Indonesia also or stay there?? Where did the money for his education come from and what side of the family paid for it??? How old was he when he first met his fathers people in Kanya, ----Who are these step brothers and sisters over there and this so called Aunt that has been in the country illegally for years---who the Hell is she? Is it possible she is his birth mother???
The person who could answer all those questions died the day before Obama was elected.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/11/03/us-usa-politics-grandmother-idUSTRE4A26GV20081103
BTW, I believe Stanley was his birth mother. He bears a resemblance to her.
He sure as Hell does not look anything like his Dad though.
BTW, CNN is really going after Trump & his birth certificate questions now. They're taking it personally.
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Curioser & curioser:
(http://nocompromisemedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/090728birthcert.gif)
Susan Nordyke was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.
Gretchen Nordyke followed at 2:17 p.m. and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.
According to a version of Obama’s purported short-form certificate available from FactCheck.org, Obama was given a higher registration number than the Nordyke twins. The online image indicates the number is No. 151 – 1961 – 10641, even though he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the twins, and his birth was registered with the Hawaii registrar three days earlier, Aug. 8, 1961.
(http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg)
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Excellent article from April 2, 2011
http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/ (go down the page)
The newspaper announcements, according to author Daniel Crosby are not produced by a hospital.
The data on them does not come from a hospital. The announcements of Obama's birth, according
to Crosby are two steps removed from a hospital.
He spent two months researching the issue in Hawaii. And this is what I've suspected. There was
a massive citizenship loophole, whereby, thousands of Hawaiians could become US citizens by birth,
even if they were born outside the United States.
Parents would simply announce the births at a branch office of the Department of Health.
The office would simply presume the birth occurred in Hawaii and send the announcements
to the newspapers. And importantly, the registration itself becomes proof of being born in Hawaii.
The registration also becomes the source of the short-form COLB.
In the words of Conway Twitty, think about that, darlin'.
The fact is that the appearance of a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper in 1961 did not indicate a Hawaiian birth, as has been proven. Thousands of children born outside of Hawaii from the early 1900's until today have had their births registered and announced in Hawaii as a native birth. The state of Hawaii, and the territory prior, has maintained laws and policies for 100 years which afford its municipal authority with tremendous latitude in registering and 'nativizing' foreign-born children. A review of the history of Hawaii's plural culture and remote location explains the evolution of Hawaii's permeable migrational history.
"Therefore, it has now been confirmed by authorities in Hawaii and abroad that Obama’s birth announcements appeared in two local Hawaiian newspapers without the birth having been medically verified as occurring in Hawaii. The announcements are automatically triggered from information provided by the Department of Health, not the hospital. Therefore, since we already know that Hawaii's Health Department registered foreign births, the announcements would include births for these registrations as well, along with local birth registrations. "
His theory? Obama's grandparents fill out a form announcing the birth at a Dept of Health office near their home. The office used by the Obamas, was one where native-born Hawaiians, born in rural areas of the state, would go to report births not occurring at hospitals. The place of birth is not verified. The date of birth is not verified. In fact, nothing is verified.
The office then includes that with the announcements it sends to the newspapers. This would account for the hospital not issuing a long-form birth certificate. There was no hospital birth. That civil registration also becomes the foundation for the later issuance of the short-form birth certificate.
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Excellent article from April 2, 2011
http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/ (go down the page)
The newspaper announcements, according to author Daniel Crosby are not produced by a hospital.
The data on them does not come from a hospital. The announcements of Obama's birth, according
to Crosby are two steps removed from a hospital.
He spent two months researching the issue in Hawaii. And this is what I've suspected. There was
a massive citizenship loophole, whereby, thousands of Hawaiians could become US citizens by birth,
even if they were born outside the United States.
Parents would simply announce the births at a branch office of the Department of Health.
The office would simply presume the birth occurred in Hawaii and send the announcements
to the newspapers. And importantly, the registration itself becomes proof of being born in Hawaii.
The registration also becomes the source of the short-form COLB.
In the words of Conway Twitty, think about that, darlin'.
His theory? Obama's grandparents fill out a form announcing the birth at a Dept of Health office near their home. The office used by the Obamas, was one where native-born Hawaiians, born in rural areas of the state, would go to report births not occurring at hospitals. The place of birth is not verified. The date of birth is not verified. In fact, nothing is verified.
The office then includes that with the announcements it sends to the newspapers. This would account for the hospital not issuing a long-form birth certificate. There was no hospital birth. That civil registration also becomes the foundation for the later issuance of the short-form birth certificate.
Back to Trump, This man is a major wheeler dealer, he makes the Russian Mafia look like punks as he does our own big time mob bosses. He has been taken down a time or two but snapped right back better off then he was before the take down.
All this bither stuff for him is very uncharacteristic behavior for him. He is way to smart to be showing his hand at a poker table, I believe this is all smoke and mirrors as he may have all ready found something very damaging to OBAMA and be hiding the fact. His life has been a game of Witt's to confuse and conquer his rivals for the money. This is his life, he loves the battles and the chase.
Much more to this story, way, way much more, he is not going to tip off the enemy to his positions of attack and give the enemy time to regroup elsewhere.
This birther thing is a red herring for the Obamas and who ever to follow to throw them off the track that he may be in possession of documents that are far worse then a birth certificate. As long as Obama thinks this dog is barking up the wrong tree his life may be some what safe. No accidents, heart attacks or falling down the steps and breaking his neck.
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I don't know. It's all very strange. If Trump has nothing, he's showing very bad judgment.
This may help him in the primaries. But it's an issue that can blow up in his face.
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This is why I'm a "birther" comments like this:
Robin Weckesser
Really?.....Your kidding right? Why dont you spend your time on something more constructive. This type of divisive thought and perpetuation is one the biggest problems this country has. Do something right....you'll feel better....probably less angry.
Joe G. (Illinois)
Never mind if you have a birth certificate. I’ll say having a driver license is good enough.
As longs as they can mark and X for a signature and have a different race than Borak Obama. Because otherwise the presidential candidacy would be like too racist toward other other people who are neither White or African American.
Ian
sure, Obama is a communist and was born in Kenya and also worships a sun god......
get over it! He won, he is the president! Why is it that it that Obama is the only president to get this treatment, people looking to find ANYTHING to try to have him removed from office???
I think we all know why, a bunch of white middle class angry men cant get over the fact that a intelligent black man won the presidency. Pathetic
Ruth Caron
Stop breaking the law telling your tea bag lies. Let the truth be known tea baggers are really kkk disguished as tea bags. Get over it a black man is President. Grow up cry babys.
Ian
ha ha ha ha!!! you are insane my friend,
George Bush or as you call him probably, da W, lied to the entire world about WMDs and you are focusing on this???
Do us all a favor and go hunting with Dick Cheney sometime soon
Not 1 valid rebuttal or appeal to fact.
http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/11/obamas-sister-calls-trumps-birther-rant-a-shame/
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I don't believe he's a citizen. Where's his iron-clad proof of US citizenship?
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MSNBC ran an article that is demonstrably wrong.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/
The article states the long form cannot be released, even on request. WRONG.
See Hawaii Revised Statute 338-13
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0013.htm
I'm on a stupid IPad now and can only paste links.
But read it for yourself. The MSNBC article is clearly wrong.
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This is a very strange story.
Link to what is purportedly Obama's Hawaii COLB, registered by his grandmother, showing Kenya birth.
http://123722364835149753-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/obamabirth/Home/obama-short-form-birth-certificate/Obama-Hawaii-Birth-Shows-Kenyat.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7crkKuURHhJG2ImMtDJFvwaXOnsk1z-jEzCnryQxWUk37SLzNXAgcYtYct77N4uj4UWkNqjKft7mAVZgHNH31NvueThfaC-qs16JaKSdoZmD3Wu-bzHt06NmvjqS5SJ8a2-P--X0Srn6KVZddnbOynzx6FOV8p6Y1sEVS4FNeVfdKqrRDJeoev1UKbq065BCvi4RuXx-mgdKFClsy4LN-D0oYiu338WzmyRe3rVosbbDCOunnF-V6UcQxPu8UsdpNSBDLllAWK_ZBnjWk7LYnCH82InpWQ%3D%3D&attredirects=0
Now that would be something he'd spend 2 million dollars to hide.
I can't find any reference to this document on the web. Note that it is a Hawaii COLB showing he was born in Kenya.
ANOTHER UPDATE:
On April 11, 2011, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, former director of the Hawaii Department of Health, told MSNBC that long-form birth certificates were no longer available.
When did that happen? This contradicted Hawaii's statute which specifies that "any certificate" may be provided. And as recently as March, 2011, long-forms
had been provided to requesters per 338-13 of Hawaii Revised Statutes:
§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.
(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]
http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/12/breaking-from-hawaii-no-more-long-form-birth-certificates/
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Important report on WND today.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=293113
Obama's father's immigration documents virtually rule out the possibility that his son was born in Kenya.
According to those documents, released pursuant to a FOIA request, Barack Sr. remained in the US from 1959 until 1964
on an F-1 student visa.
It would be extremely strange and unlikely for his 'wife' to go to Kenya alone to have the baby.
Likewise, the documents show no re-entry to the US after an exit for Barack Sr. In fact, they
show no exit at all until 1964. But they do show one admission in 1959 and one exit in 1964.
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Document Forensics are not my forte.
But this is an exhaustive analysis of the birth certificate Obama released.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/55642721/News-Release-Legal-proof-that-President-Obama%E2%80%99s-Certificate-of-Live-Birth-is-a-forgery
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Doesn't pass the smell test.
A technical report would be devoid of political commentary and legal jargon. This one is full of both.
In the end, it doesn't matter. Barry is president and a report of this nature will not change that fact.