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(http://l1.yimg.com/a/i/ww/news/2011/03/11/031111tsunami1.jpg)
Major tsunami damage in N Japan after 8.9 quake
LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110311/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_earthquake)
By MALCOLM FOSTER, Associated Press Malcolm Foster, Associated Press – 5 mins ago
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TOKYO – A magnitude 8.9 earthquake slammed Japan's northeastern coast Friday, unleashing a 13-foot (4-meter) tsunami that swept boats, cars, buildings and tons of debris miles inland. Fires triggered by the quake burned out of control up and down the coast.
At least one person was killed and there were reports of several injuries in Tokyo, hundreds of kilometers (miles) away, where buildings shook violently through the main quake and the wave of massive aftershocks that followed.
TV footage showed waves of muddy waters sweeping over farmland near the city of Sendai, carrying buildings, some on fire, inland as cars attempted to drive away.
"This is a rare major quake, and damages could quickly rise by the minute," said Junichi Sawada, an official with Japan's Fire and Disaster Management Agency.
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Already reports of aftershocks in excess of 7.4.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_40_eqs.php
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_40_eqs.php
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Initial shock felt as far away as Beijing.
Currently over 4 million without power in Tokyo area.
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8.9! Holy Dick shitting nipples.
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I can't help but wonder if that's why the dog was growling earlier.
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Tsunami feet 13-20 feet in Japan, but will still be in excess of 2 meters (7 feet) by the time it hits Hawaii.
Compare that to the 2004 tsunami--wave height of 25-30 feet in the immediate area around the quake, and that quake was 9.0-9.1.
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Depends on the outlying area, too, I think.
If the waves hit shallows a certain distance from the shore, that will add some height.
I have no idea how they factor those things.
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Watching this on Fox now.
Catostrophic is the only word that comes to mind. Just Damn.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm2Hr-1l1MM[/youtube]
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The Tsunami watch in Hawaii has been upgraded to an evacuation order for people near the coast.
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Current predictions:
Crescent City, CA 7:23 am PST
San Francisco, CA 8:08 am PST
At least 6 feet wave.
Now they're saying 4 million BUILDINGS are without power in Tokyo, not 4 million people. Towns along the eastern shore of Honshu are DESTROYED.
This may well prove to be as bad as 2004, although of course I'm praying now.
Hawaiian low-lying areas ordered to evacuate.
30 UN rescue teams on alert.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6xSj6Eggtw[/youtube]
I can't even begin to imagine what they're going through. I'm keeping them in my thoughts. Just a terrible situation :(
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Fox News is reporting that Oregon and Washington State could see damage from this.
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We won't know what to expect until it gets a bit closer, but yeah.
They're still recording 1-3 meter waves in the open ocean.
Which is... terrifying.
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Live buoy tracking:
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/dart.shtml
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Praying for all those touched by this & praying for the safety of those about to be touched.
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Wow. I hope that everyone about to be affected takes heed of the warnings. Just damn.
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At the risk of being labeled a heartless bastard, I wonder how much this is going to cost the American tax payer in aid to Japan.
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At the risk of being labeled a heartless bastard, I wonder how much this is going to cost the American tax payer in aid to Japan.
shitlots ?
{ E2A -- It's probably still a better ROI on anything spent in Europe, Africa and Hajistan. }
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US 7th Fleet has Reagan, Tortuga and Mt. Whitney in route. Other ships to be deployed. I hope Japan will show their gratitude to our Military after this. Of course those sane folks at DU will probably accuse us of invading Japan.
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warnings issued from Alaska to Chile
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(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/03/11/1226020/015397-japan-earthquake.jpg)
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warnings issued from Alaska to Chile
Watching KHON channel 2 in Honolulu streaming coverage, so far at 9 am EST time do they have any idea when of if the Islands will be hit.
Mother is more worried about the Japanese reactor and if it can in fact be shut down. What will be the consequences if it leaks radioreactive material into the air.??
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Ive been watching FOX with one eye, while watching streaming video from Japan with the other. Godspeed to the victims and their families.
And although Japan will suffer major loss of life and damage from this - the real heartbreak will be the dozens of sparsely populated islands off its coast. I suspect many of them will be completely washed over, with loss of life and structural damage ranging close to 100%.
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A lot of my co-workers are at Waikiki for an SKL conference. They said the hotels have moved everyone to higher levels. I think I'd find a mountain to drive to.
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similar to the 2004 Quake that hit Sumatra. that was a 9.1 to 9.3
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Here's some live video during the quake:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KQ2-gTqFfA&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
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My sister and BIL, and their three daughters, are in Port Hueneme CA. At 5:39 AM, I called my mother and sais, "Call her and tell her." My mother wanted me to call, but I said no, she won't listen to me. Just talked to my mother again--my sister got the message, but we're not sure how much of the tsunami will hit there. I just saw a blurb on Drudge that said something about waves of 6' forecast for CA.
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Early this morning, Fox News had a sailor from the USS Lincoln on the phone in Honolulu. They were in port on their way back from deployment.
His hotel had told everyone from the 3rd and below, to move upward. He was calling from a room on the 11th floor. Those off the Lincoln, were being told to stay where they were, which sort of surprised me....I thought they would be called back to ship immediately, to make sure that all were safely aboard before the wave hit.
Son was on the Lincoln when the 2004 one hit. They were in Hong Kong, at the time, and getting ready to leave port. They were immediately sent to the tsunami area. Fox News was broadcasting that the Lincoln group was headed there, before those on ship were told.
Because of his job, he did not leave the boat, but said he will never forget the things he saw floating in the water.... :(
Prayers for all those in the affected areas, and prayers, too, for those who will be doing rescue and recovery.
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This is terrible. :( My husband was in Japan several years ago and experienced his first earthquake. Since moving to CA we have had a few. I can't imagine what it would be like to go through one as strong as the one in Japan.
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At the risk of being labeled a heartless bastard, I wonder how much this is going to cost the American tax payer in aid to Japan.
hate to say it but that was my first thought too :(
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This will go down in the history books as an epic tragedy. :(I pray the loss of life isn't as severe as it's looking right now. Everyone on the West Coast, stay safe.
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More than likely the Japanese nuke DOES have emergency power available from their diesel generators (quite large ones at that).
If it's anything like our systems, the plant scrammed during the main shock due to turbine trip most likely. Coupled with the loss of offsite power, the DG's would have started automatically and the safety injection/decay heat removal systems would have kicked in automatically. The reason they're calling at least an unusual event if not a site emergency is because they're having to use those systems in order to remove the decay heat and place the plant in a safe shutdown/cooldown condition, not because there's been any release of radioactivity.
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Thanks for that Sparky. My knowledge of nuclear reactors is minimal at best.
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Early this morning, Fox News had a sailor from the USS Lincoln on the phone in Honolulu. They were in port on their way back from deployment.
His hotel had told everyone from the 3rd and below, to move upward. He was calling from a room on the 11th floor. Those off the Lincoln, were being told to stay where they were, which sort of surprised me....I thought they would be called back to ship immediately, to make sure that all were safely aboard before the wave hit.
Son was on the Lincoln when the 2004 one hit. They were in Hong Kong, at the time, and getting ready to leave port. They were immediately sent to the tsunami area. Fox News was broadcasting that the Lincoln group was headed there, before those on ship were told.
Because of his job, he did not leave the boat, but said he will never forget the things he saw floating in the water.... :(
Prayers for all those in the affected areas, and prayers, too, for those who will be doing rescue and recovery.
back on board ship is the last place I'd wanna be !!!!!
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back on board ship is the last place I'd wanna be !!!!!
Better an aircraft carrier than a submarine. I'm pretty sure if they could get underway, they're gone.
And I just heard on FNC that Shrillary has said they're sending "coolant" to the affected nuke plants.
Uh, Hillary? I think they've got plenty of water already, ya bitotch.
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Better an aircraft carrier than a submarine. I'm pretty sure if they could get underway, they're gone.
And I just heard on FNC that Shrillary has said they're sending "coolant" to the affected nuke plants.
Uh, Hillary? I think they've got plenty of water already, ya bitotch.
I don't think any ship is safe from this
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At the risk of being labeled a heartless bastard, I wonder how much this is going to cost the American tax payer in aid to Japan.
At least Japan is a developed nation and should be able to rebuild better then lets say....Haiti
I can't picture it being more then that, or for as long after...but then again.
This will go down in the history books as an epic tragedy. :(I pray the loss of life isn't as severe as it's looking right now.
Same here. :(
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At the risk of being labeled a heartless bastard, I wonder how much this is going to cost the American tax payer in aid to Japan.
I dunno, but given that we have US Marines, Sailors and other US Personnel stationed in and around Japan, I don't think I'll be doing much whining about providing aid to the Nation they live in.
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I don't think any ship is safe from this
In deep water, the wave travels under water until it hits a continental shelf or something like an island. Any ships out at sea should be unaffected.
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You'd think, with all their experience fighting Godzilla, they'd be better prepared for a major emergency.
Too soon? :thatsright:
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In deep water, the wave travels under water until it hits a continental shelf or something like an island. Any ships out at sea should be unaffected.
they travel on top to.
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Between 200-300 bodies wash up on Sendai beach, Japan (http://www.eitb.com/news/world/detail/616406/between-200-300-bodies-wash-sendai-beach-japan/)
Up to 300 bodies were found in the coastal city of Sendai, media said. NHK television said the victims appeared to have drowned. The extent of the destruction along a lengthy stretch of coastline suggested the death toll could rise significantly.
I read a headline earlier today that said an estimated 600 people were swept into the ocean during the earthquake.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DSSssHxm4Y[/youtube]
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they travel on top to.
The buoys have been tracking wave height of >1 meter at sea.
Depending on the depth of water a vessel was standing in, they might experience a tsunami as a small swell, but generally as Reb said, the energy from a tsunami travels deep underwater until shallow depths at the continental shelf force the energy UP, and create a wave.
Edited because I can't seem to type this morning.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNzGY0qxw[/youtube]
That would be so freaking crazy.
CitizenTube has lots of video.
http://www.youtube.com/citizentube?feature=ticker#p/c/1/x9QNzGY0qxw
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The buoys have been tracking wave height of >1 meter at sea.
Depending on the depth of water a vessel was standing in, they might experience a tsunami as a small swell, but generally as Reb said, the energy from a tsunami travels deep underwater until shallow depths at the continental shelf force the energy UP, and create a wave.
Edited because I can't seem to type this morning.
its a fact hundreds of ships have been rolled by "surface" tsunami's hundreds of miles offshore
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Got a link to that fact?
The buoys I've been tracking all friggin' night would be amazed to know that they were hit with waves anything over 1 meter, since I haven't seen a single buoy in the entire Pacific Ocean that has experienced a change in depth frequency that exceeded 3 meters.
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http://wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov/about/physics.htm
NOAA... I'd go ahead and call them the experts here.
As the tsunami crosses the deep ocean, its length from crest to crest may be a hundred miles or more, and its height from crest to trough will only be a few feet or less. They can not be felt aboard ships nor can they be seen from the air in the open ocean. In the deepest oceans, the waves will reach speeds exceeding 600 miles per hour (970 km/hr). When the tsunami enters the shoaling water of coastlines in its path, the velocity of its waves diminishes and the wave height increases. It is in these shallow waters that a large tsunami can crest to heights exceeding 100 feet (30 m) and strike with devastating force.
http://wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov/2011/03/11/lhvpd9/11/messagelhvpd9-11.htm
Tsunamis can be dangerous waves that are not survivable. Wave heights are amplified by irregular shoreline and are difficult to forecast. Tsunamis often appear as a strong surge and may be preceded by a receding water level. Mariners in water deeper than 600 feet should not be affected by a tsunami. Wave heights will increase rapidly as water shallows. Tsunamis are a series of ocean waves which can be dangerous for several hours after the initial wave arrival. DO NOT return to evacuated areas until an all clear is given by local civil authorities.
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its a fact hundreds of ships have been rolled by "surface" tsunami's hundreds of miles offshore
http://www.pep.bc.ca/tsunamis/causes_2.htm
I had to keep hitting play for some reason.
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http://www.pep.bc.ca/tsunamis/causes_2.htm
I had to keep hitting play for some reason.
Reb's animation does make the good point that ships directly over the source of the tsunami at it's inception would likely experience tremendous disturbance.
Aside from that, ships in the open ocean have nothing to fear from a tsunami.
Aside from the extra paperwork involved in reporting the non-event to science orgs.
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Prayers going out to the people in Japan and surrounding areas!!
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My God. To wake up, and see this is devastating. From what I heard on Rush's show, it mostly impacted the manufacturing industry in Japan. That's goiing to really hurt.
Prayers to all affected in Japan.
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ok im back. years ago i saw a NATGEO doc special that showed 2 ships rolled over by Tsunmai's hundreds of miles from shore. 1 was a container and the other a freighter. that's what im basing this on
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I'm thinking either the Nat Geo documentary left out a significant detail [perhaps that the ships were immediately adjacent to the source of the tsunami at its inception], were wrong in their description of how far from shallow water the ships were, or you're mis-remembering the clip details.
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I'm thinking either the Nat Geo documentary left out a significant detail [perhaps that the ships were immediately adjacent to the source of the tsunami at its inception], were wrong in their description of how far from shallow water the ships were, or you're mis-remembering the clip details.
perhaps you should contact NATGEO. it was their program.
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perhaps you should contact NATGEO. it was their program.
I'm actually trying to find it now.
In the meantime, Nat Geo says this about tsunamis:
A tsunami may be less than a foot (30 centimeters) in height on the surface of the open ocean, which is why they are not noticed by sailors. But the powerful shock wave of energy travels rapidly through the ocean as fast as a commercial jet. Once a tsunami reaches shallow water near the coast it is slowed down. The top of the wave moves faster than the bottom, causing the sea to rise dramatically.
NOAA advises that since tsunami wave activity is imperceptible in the open ocean, vessels should not return to port if they are at sea and a tsunami warning has been issued for the area. Tsunamis can cause rapid changes in water level and unpredictable, dangerous currents in harbors and ports. Boat owners may want to take their vessels out to sea if there is time and they are allowed to do so by port authorities. People should not stay on their boats moored in harbors. Tsunamis often destroy boats and leave them wrecked above the normal waterline.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1228_041228_tsunami_2.html
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I'm actually trying to find it now.
I hope you do
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Obama is on Fox now...
According to him....one aircraft carrier is already in Japan, and another is on it's way.
Not sure who's there already, but I bet the Lincoln is going unless there is already another one out to sea and closer.
He said another ship is being sent to the Marianas.
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Obama is on Fox now...
According to him....one aircraft carrier is already in Japan, and another is on it's way.
Not sure who's there already, but I bet the Lincoln is going unless there is already another one out to sea and closer.
He said another ship is being sent to the Marianas.
What are the Naval ships expected to do in this situation??
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What are the Naval ships expected to do in this situation??
When my son was there before....one of the things the Lincoln (an aircraft carrier) can do is convert sea water to fresh water. They also provided man-power and helicopters to ferry in supplies.
The Navy hospital ship, Mercy (?) , was also sent.
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Obama is on Fox now...
According to him....one aircraft carrier is already in Japan, and another is on it's way.
Not sure who's there already, but I bet the Lincoln is going unless there is already another one out to sea and closer.
He said another ship is being sent to the Marianas.
he wasted very little time on it
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What are the Naval ships expected to do in this situation??
relief
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My heart goes out to all the victims of this earthquake and tsunami. I just couldn't imagine ever having to deal with an 8.9 magnitude earthquake.
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We'll get it much worse when La Palma slides into the Atlantic. Other than that, I think the Southeast is the safest place to live in the world. No volcanoes, a minute amount of F-5s, and no major earthquakes. ...and the winters are bearable. The Japanese have been dealing with these for centuries. No clue why they keep building up right next to the coastline. Then again, I can't understand why the Italians keeping expanding up the side of Vesuvius either.
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My heart goes out to all the victims of this earthquake and tsunami. I just couldn't imagine ever having to deal with an 8.9 magnitude earthquake.
I watched a video and they (Japanese) were so calm during it. They were more worried about their merchandise. It was amazing how calm they were. I would be :ohnoes:
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I watched a video and they (Japanese) were so calm during it. They were more worried about their merchandise. It was amazing how calm they were. I would be :ohnoes:
I saw the videos too. They are used to earthquakes, but really? An 8.9! If I dealt with earthquakes my whole life, I'd shrug at most of them... except something as strong as this morning.
Those aftershocks are very strong too. Now Crescent City, CA is getting up to six feet waves. Just crazy to think California can get hit by a tsunami that originally started just off shore from Japan.
Scary.
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I saw the videos too. They are used to earthquakes, but really? An 8.9! If I dealt with earthquakes my whole life, I'd shrug at most of them... except something as strong as this morning.
Those aftershocks are very strong too. Now Crescent City, CA is getting up to six feet waves. Just crazy to think California can get hit by a tsunami that originally started just off shore from Japan.
Scary.
Fox reported an 8 ft wave that hit Crescent city. boats in the harbor destroyed and and some buildings as well. also an unconfirmed 2nd wave
they also reported a reactor leak in Japan. apporx 1000 dead and 80,000 missing
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Reactor leak, or potential reactor leak if they can't start cooling the rods?
EDIT:
Apparently, they've opted to intentionally release some radioactive steam to prevent the overheating and catastrophic meltdown.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/03/11/1579741/utility-reports-fire-at-power.html
TOKYO — Japanese authorities will release slightly radioactive vapor to ease pressure at nuclear reactor whose cooling system failed.
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Reactor leak, or potential reactor leak if they can't start cooling the rods?
fox tv reported it as a leak. but this just popped up on their site
Japan Evacuates Thousands of Residents Near Nuke Plant
TOKYO -- Authorities say the pressure is rising at a nuclear power plant in northeastern Japan after its cooling system failed.
Japan's nuclear safety agency says pressure inside the reactor at the Fukushima No. 1 power plant has risen to 1.5 times the level considered normal. To reduce the pressure, slightly radioactive vapor may be released.
The agency said the radioactive element in the vapor would not affect the environment or human health.
Japan has issued an evacuation order to about 3,000 residents living near the plant. The government also issued a state of emergency at the power plant.
The agency says plant workers are scrambling to restore cooling water supply at the plant but there is no prospect for an immediate success.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/11/japan-issues-emergency-nuke-plant-leak/#
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There's reports of an earthquake in Central Japan which is a 6.6 . . .
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Just heard on fox, USGS reports Japan quake ripped hole 150 miles long, 50 miles across into the Earth's crest.
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There's reports of an earthquake in Central Japan which is a 6.6 . . .
Another aftershock.
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Tsunami: Crescent City harbor destroyed; 4 people swept into sea, 1 feared dead
Eight-foot waves from the Japan tsunami destroyed much of Crescent City harbor, battered boats, closed the 101 Freeway and left one person missing.
KDRV-TV reported that four people were washed out to sea Friday. Three were hurt and one is feared dead.
Local residents reported that about three dozen boats were "crushed" in the harbor and that surging waters significantly damaged or destroyed most of the docks. Ocean water surging up Elk Creek north of the harbor reportedly lapped up to front doors of the community's cultural center. ...
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/03/crescent-city-harbor-destroyed-people-swept-into-sea.html
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There's something on Drudge: KYODO: 88,000 REPORTED MISSING
:o :o :o :o :o
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As long as they keep the core covered, it's all good. The major nuclide of concern during Rx operations is N-16, which has a half-life of 7.1 SECONDS, meaning after the reactor shuts down, the activity in the coolant water drops significantly in a very short period of time.
I'd be interested in seeing where the primary leak occured and why the primary reliefs didn't pick up as they should have.
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Expect that [88,000] to double.
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severe damage to Oregon at Brookings harbor
In southern Oregon, the harbor at Brookings, near the California border, was extensively damaged.
Several vessels were sunk, half a dozen others were swept to sea and much of the commercial part of the basin was destroyed, Curry County Sheriff John Bishop said. Damages will run in the millions of dollars, he said.
One man with a history of heart problems was found dead aboard a commercial vessel. It was unclear if the death was related to the tsunami.
Four people at a beach north of Brookings were swept into the sea. Two were able to get out of the water on their own, and two were rescued by law enforcement and fire officials, sheriff's officials said.
http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/mar/11/18/tsunami-barrels-toward-hawaii-us-western-coast-ar-853899/
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Expect that [88,000] to double.
I remember when the Indonesia tsunami hit and heard in the beginning a low number of deaths and why was it such a big deal........I hope this one isn't going to be like that :(
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I found some more pictures... these are amazing. :(
LINK (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/03/earthquake-in-japan/100022/)
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Shep Smith has a feed on from a Japanese television channel. They are doing helicopter views.
So devastating. It's heartbreaking.
They just said the entire auto industry is shut down.
A WI rep was on Neil Cavuto, and he was talking about the protesters outside his home....he said they were dressed all in black to "mourn" for the loss of their benefits. And in light of what was going on in Japan, it was hard to take them seriously.
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I found some more pictures... these are amazing. :(
LINK (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/03/earthquake-in-japan/100022/)
WOW.
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About as simple an explanation and as complete as I can find right now regarding Fukushima I:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_Nuclear_Power_Plant#2011_earthquake_events
After the March 11, 2011, earthquake, Nuclear Engineering International reported that units 1 to 3 were automatically shut down, and units 4 to 6 were already in maintenance outages.[1] However electrical problems prevented cooling pumps for Reactor 1 from functioning. Because cooling pumps are needed to remove residual reactor heat, a nuclear emergency was declared. It was the first time a nuclear emergency had been declared in Japan. The emergency cooling systems also were activated for Reactor 2. Batteries, which last about eight hours, are being used to power the reactor cooling during the electrical outage, and the government can use military helicopters to fly in replacement batteries.[2]
An evacuation order has been issued to people living within 3 kilometers of the plant, affecting approximately 5800 residents living near the power plant. People living less than 10 kilometers from the power plant have been advised to stay indoors.[3]
David Lochbaum, who worked at three American reactor complexes that use General Electric technology and now works for the Union of Concerned Scientists, said the plant was probably equipped to function for some hours without emergency diesel generators.[4] The United States Air Force assisted in delivering backup diesel generators for powering the cooling pumps to the plant site. Japanese ground forces are also trucking generators and batteries to the site.[5] The water level inside the reactor has dropped; however, the rods were not exposed.[6]
Past midnight local time, it was reported that The Tokyo Electric Power Company was considering venting super hot gas from the reactor vessel into the atmosphere, which could result in the release of radiation.[7] Saturday, the Tokyo Electric Company reported that radiation levels were rising in the turbine building for reactor 1.[8] At 20:30 GMT the pressure inside Reactor 1 was reported to be 2.1 times the "design capacity."[9] At 21:10 UTC, the IAEA reported that unit 2 is also experiencing cooling problems.[10]
To reduce mounting pressure potentially radioactive steam has been released from the primary circuit, into the secondary containment.[11] On March 11, 2011 at 21:40 (GMT), Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano stated that the amount of potential radiation would be small and that the prevailing winds are blowing out to sea.[12] Measured radiation levels inside the plant control room were reported to be 1000 times greater than normal.[13] Radiation levels measured at a monitoring post near the plant's main gate are more than eight times above normal, Japan's nuclear safety agency said.[14]
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http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=1
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I heard that sucker cossed the Pacific at about 500 MPH !!!
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I remember when the Indonesia tsunami hit and heard in the beginning a low number of deaths and why was it such a big deal........I hope this one isn't going to be like that :(
I remember that too. Sadly, I think the death toll will be a lot higher. :(
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WASHINGTON — You won't notice it, but the day just got a tiny bit shorter because of Friday's giant earthquake off the coast of Japan.
NASA geophysicist Richard Gross calculated that Earth's rotation sped up by 1.6 microseconds.
Read more: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/03/11/1580470/japan-quake-causes-day-to-get.html#ixzz1GLQ7rr5E
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What are the Naval ships expected to do in this situation??
Like namvet said, relief. Our carriers are literally floating cities with a crew of about 5,000.
Apart from their assortment of fixed wing aircraft each carries several helicopters which a very useful is situations such as Japan now faces. They have complete hospitals aboard, with advanced surgical wards. They can serve many thousands of meals at a time, provide electricity to shore and convert sea water to potable fresh water as well.
Edit, to include link-
http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=50991
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Just heard the last part of a 'Breaking News' - Now they are saying 2 reactors are leaking and starting to melt down since they can't get them cooled.
Anyone hear to entire newscast? Was on CNN [ ya I know, but right now they are the only ones on here with updates]
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Whoah. Isn't that what caused Chernobyl?
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Believe it was. After the talking heads started with a part about what this would do to nuclear power, setting it back. Then they switched to a Japanese Ambassador interview.
I'm trying to keep up with info. about the nuclear plants - since my son works at one here in this country. I guess vested interest comes to mind.....
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here's whats posted on ABC
Radiation Levels Spike Inside Crippled Japanese Nuclear Reactor
Radiation levels inside a Japanese nuclear power plant have surged to 1,000 times their normal levels after today's 8.9-magnitude earthquake knocked out power to a cooling system, and tsunami floods have hampered efforts to get it restored.
Meanwhile, heat-induced pressure built up inside the crippled reactor, prompting widespread evacuations within a 10 kilometer radius and stoking fears of a potentially catastrophic radioactive event.
Officials declared a "nuclear emergency" at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant, about 200 miles northeast of Tokyo, when its cooling system failed to function properly after the nuclear reactor lost power and automatically shut down.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/japan-earthquake-nuclear-power-reactor-damaged-high-radiation/story?id=13114181
doesn't sound good
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Fox News says they're running a secondary cooling system because the tsunami flooding knocked out their diesel generators.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/11/japan-issues-emergency-nuke-plant-leak/
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a nuke emergency sounds to me like run or kiss your ass goodbye !!!
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Whoah. Isn't that what caused Chernobyl?
I think but the reactors in Japan won't be another Chernobyl and thats important to remember. The ones in Japan were built to a much higher slandered with lots of safety systems and proper containment structures unlike the Soviet pieces of crap.
At least from what I know and can gather.
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Will have to get back on now that others are covering again -- thanks
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Just heard the last part of a 'Breaking News' - Now they are saying 2 reactors are leaking and starting to melt down since they can't get them cooled.
Anyone hear to entire newscast? Was on CNN [ ya I know, but right now they are the only ones on here with updates]
They're so full of crap their eyes are brown.
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Whoah. Isn't that what caused Chernobyl?
No. Chernobyl was cause by a prompt criticality which created an uncontrollable power spike, which flashed all the water in the core into steam, blew off the vessel head, and ignited the graphite moderator.
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Fox News says they're running a secondary cooling system because the tsunami flooding knocked out their diesel generators.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/11/japan-issues-emergency-nuke-plant-leak/
Which is basically steam-driven feed pumps, which aren't normally run and would contribute to the "increased radiation levels" in areas that aren't normally in increased radiation areas.
Bottom line, MSM idiots who can't even set the time on their DVR's are trying to tell us what's going on in a nuclear power plant?
Bitches, please.
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Things are *not* settling down in that region, geologically.
The strength of the aftershocks has been gradually decreasing over the past several hours, only to suddenly spike back up to 6.8 and 6.5 within the last 2 hours.
And the island of Tonga just got hit with two quakes [distinct events, not tremors related to Japan's activity], 5.7 and 6.1, in that order, with the 6.1 being at an incredibly shallow depth [>15km].
For reference, Japan's 8.9 was at a depth of about 25km.
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From the structural damage I've seen, Haiti LOOLS like it was a worse quake. That's only because the Japanese take better care to build structures though. It still is tremendously horrible to watch though.
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Haiti was probably worse in terms of the earthquake aspect of this disaster.
This tsunami looks to be on par with the Indonesian tsunami in terms of devastation [despite being a good 50 feet smaller at it's peak], due to the degree of population and infrastructure in areas hit.
However, Japan has at it's advantage the fact that it is a highly developed nation, compared to Haiti and Indonesia, which will enable more efficacious rescue efforts.
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For comparison, the 1498 Japan tsunami was 56 feet high at it's peak, and killed an estimated 31,000 people.
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Haiti was probably worse in terms of the earthquake aspect of this disaster.
This tsunami looks to be on par with the Indonesian tsunami in terms of devastation [despite being a good 50 feet smaller at it's peak], due to the degree of population and infrastructure in areas hit.
However, Japan has at it's advantage the fact that it is a highly developed nation, compared to Haiti and Indonesia, which will enable more efficacious rescue efforts.
Agreed.
There's a huge difference between a highly developed country with many resources, recovering from a devastating event...as opposed to a country sorely lacking in the basics of life, trying to recover from an equally devastating event.
If it hadn't been for the tsunami, and what's happening to the nuclear plants, Japan would have the ability to recover from this, just as we would, should an earthquake with the same magnitude and devastation hit California.
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I would still not be surprised if the death toll were in the thousandS. It's already at 1000 last I heard.
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Michio Kaku is speaking of all things Japanese at the moment on 20/20, from building design, to the nuclear issue. The earthquake had 10 times the power of the 1906 earthquake. He seems a bit concerned about the nuclear issue.
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Michio Kaku is speaking of all things Japanese at the moment on 20/20, from building design, to the nuclear issue. The earthquake had 10 times the power of the 1906 earthquake. He seems a bit concerned about the nuclear issue.
I love Michio Kaku. He is someone you can tell loves what he does. Everytime he is on fox I really enjoy the interview.
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It's especially disconcerting because cracks were reported earlier in the Ishibuchi Dam.
Given that Japan is still experiencing after shocks at a rate of every ten minutes or so, ranging from 4.8 to 6.8 in magnitude, there is reason for concern.
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I love Michio Kaku. He is someone you can tell loves what he does. Everytime he is on fox I really enjoy the interview.
Everything he has done on either Science or Discovery has been recorded by me, at some point. The BF is fascinated by Physics, and Mr. Kaku is one of his favorite physicists. Since he watches him, I ended up watching too. And I like him as well.
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*completely inappropriate remark about how awesome it would be if my girlfriend recorded geeky science stuff for me.*
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*completely inappropriate remark about how awesome it would be if my girlfriend recorded geeky science stuff for me.*
Between that and being a pretty decent cook, and having a la-z-boy sofa, with recliners.....that is the only way I get him to stay over to my house. Otherwise I would have to go to his, and I like mine better. :-)
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Ah. My mistake was having her move in with me, then.
:banghead:
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No sign of decreased aftershock activity off the coast of Japan.
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Greta's reporting over 300 dead, and "hundreds missing"... seems like an understatement.
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By far.
Iwate Prefecture, for example, has been completely leveled.
It has a population of 23,000.
The city of Kesennuma is on fire, and a third of it is underwater.
It has a population of 70,000+.
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Ah. My mistake was having her move in with me, then.
:banghead:
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No sign of decreased aftershock activity off the coast of Japan.
Yup, that is where ya failed. Most successful relationship I ever had, over 9 years. No cohabitation. :-)
Back to the subject at hand, I hear that there were some deaths in CA and in the upper Pacific NW. Were these sightseer people? I can't imagine they just didn't know this was going on.
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Yup, that is where ya failed. Most successful relationship I ever had, over 9 years. No cohabitation. :-)
Back to the subject at hand, I hear that there were some deaths in CA and in the upper Pacific NW. Were these sightseer people? I can't imagine they just didn't know this was going on.
One guy was swept out to sea in CA and has not been found.
The report I read, said that he and 3 others went to a CA beach to take pictures of the waves and tsunami is if it showed up. They were all swept out and the other 3 wsere rescued.
What a dumbass.....
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Back to the subject at hand, I hear that there were some deaths in CA and in the upper Pacific NW. Were these sightseer people? I can't imagine they just didn't know this was going on.
One was swept out to sea from the mouth of the Klamath river- it's possible he didn't appreciate that the tsunami would work it's way up the river.
The others seem to have been people going to beaches to take photographs.
One man was found dead on his boat, but it's unknown if it was related to the tsunami waves.
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Yeah, I heard about the guy on the boat. I imagined the rest were thrill seekers, that got a little more than they sought. Darwin at work, I s'pose.
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No. Chernobyl was cause by a prompt criticality which created an uncontrollable power spike, which flashed all the water in the core into steam, blew off the vessel head, and ignited the graphite moderator.
Chernobyl had a different design from what I recall.
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Haiti was probably worse in terms of the earthquake aspect of this disaster.
This tsunami looks to be on par with the Indonesian tsunami in terms of devastation [despite being a good 50 feet smaller at it's peak], due to the degree of population and infrastructure in areas hit.
However, Japan has at it's advantage the fact that it is a highly developed nation, compared to Haiti and Indonesia, which will enable more efficacious rescue efforts.
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For comparison, the 1498 Japan tsunami was 56 feet high at it's peak, and killed an estimated 31,000 people.
If it was not for the tsunami, it likely would be less worse. The tsunami is what did it.
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AP IS REPORTING 6.8 MAGNITUDE EARTHQUAKE HAS STRUCK JAPAN
I'm unsure if this is activity I've been tracking as an aftershock [which means it occurred about two hours ago], or a distinct event.
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EDIT:
This is the same activity I previously posted as an aftershock. (http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,56514.msg647686.html#msg647686)
It occurred at approx. 1947 hours, CST.
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This is from the USGS website.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_35.php
The original 8.9 earthquake has been covered up by all the aftershocks. The red squares are earthquakes in the last hour.
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http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77025.html
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One guy was swept out to sea in CA and has not been found.
The report I read, said that he and 3 others went to a CA beach to take pictures of the waves and tsunami is if it showed up. They were all swept out and the other 3 wsere rescued.
What a dumbass.....
No shortage of stupid, it seems. These are the types I refer to as DisneyFans. They all seem to share a profound disconnect with reality.
Reminds of an incident at a park near me some years ago where people insist on feeding the deer despite the prominent signs which state DO NOT FEED THE DEER. These are the morons that show up with bags of marshmallows and Doritos to feed to them by hand out of the windows of the family minivan as the camcorder catches all the action. It's all so beautiful, weep, gush. Apparently one young mother thought it would be really neat to have her four year old daughter feed the deer by hand out of the vehicle, face to face with nature. The face to face resulted in a hoof to the face and a broken cheek bone, broken eye orbit and a concussion. Mom was on the news, weeping, "how could the beautiful deer do that? sob sob.They just don't get it.
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Japan's nuclear authorities warned Saturday that quake-hit atomic plant Fukushima No. 1, about 250 kilometres (160 miles) northeast of Tokyo, "may be experiencing a nuclear meltdown", media said.
Kyodo News agency said radioactive caesium had been detected near Fukushima plant, citing the Japanese nuclear safety commission.
http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Asia/Story/A1Story20110312-267722.html
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No shortage of stupid, it seems. These are the types I refer to as DisneyFans. They all seem to share a profound disconnect with reality.
Reminds of an incident at a park near me some years ago where people insist on feeding the deer despite the prominent signs which state DO NOT FEED THE DEER. These are the morons that show up with bags of marshmallows and Doritos to feed to them by hand out of the windows of the family minivan as the camcorder catches all the action. It's all so beautiful, weep, gush. Apparently one young mother thought it would be really neat to have her four year old daughter feed the deer by hand out of the vehicle, face to face with nature. The face to face resulted in a hoof to the face and a broken cheek bone, broken eye orbit and a concussion. Mom was on the news, weeping, "how could the beautiful deer do that? sob sob.They just don't get it.
Just like in Oklahoma, if the tornado sirens go off, they go out to see the tornado......
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Frankly, if the plant were in fact having a core meltdown, they would have evacuated a MUCH LARGER RANGE than 5 miles.
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You understand this is the same country that feeds toxic whale meat in their school lunch program, while denying the toxicity of said meat, despite dozens of third-party, neutral laboratories reporting levels of heavy metals multiple times above toxic, right?
They're not huge on being honest with their citizens.
They prefer to save face.
You're also assuming that the left hand knows what the right is doing, and everyone is communicating with the other.
NYPD and NYFD couldn't communicate with each other on 9/11. What makes you think Japan is better off?
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http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20110312-red-alert-japan-warns-possible-nuclear-meltdown
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You're also dealing with a guy (me) who has been dealing with nuclear power SINCE BEFORE YOU WERE BORN.
I'm pretty sure I've got a bit more background than your hysterical bullshit, thanks very ****ing much.
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Well, DU helps out in their own lame way. :thatsright:
"Silent Thread for the People of Japan"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x612858
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You're also dealing with a guy (me) who has been dealing with nuclear power SINCE BEFORE YOU WERE BORN.
I'm pretty sure I've got a bit more background than your hysterical bullshit, thanks very ****ing much.
You don't think that cesium being detected outside the reactor indicates that melting may have occurred?
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I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree as to whether or not the evacuation radius is definitive proof of whether or not there are issues with the reactors.
It's probably useful to note that officials for Japan's nuclear safety commission have been quoted as saying that even a catastrophic meltdown wouldn't effect people outside of a 6 mile radius.
So, a five mile evacuation radius actually fits with *their* opinion of the risk.
Because of the overheating, a meltdown was possible at one of the reactors, said Ryohei Shiomi, an official with Japan's nuclear safety commission. But even if there was a meltdown, it wouldn't affect people outside a six-mile radius, he said.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/11/japan-issues-emergency-nuke-plant-leak/
*I*, for the record, am not saying there is, or isn't a leak [note the title of my posts?] Perhaps that's where we're misunderstanding each other.
I'm merely saying that given the state of the region, I wouldn't assume that failure to adopt a safety stance on par with what we would consider standard isn't necessarily evidence that there *isn't* a problem with the reactor.
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/Explosion-heard-at-Japan-s-Fukushima-nuke-plant-report/H1-Article1-672494.aspx
Home video of news report:
http://www.twitvid.com/LICNU
(http://i.imgur.com/yQGkS.jpg)
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Japan's Cabinet Secretary confirms explosion, the translation I'm getting is very choppy, but it appears they're saying either the turbine housing, or the reactor housing was destroyed in the explosion.
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If this picture isn't shopped, and it is accurately labeled and attributed... the reactor is... gone. http://twitpic.com/48pqvs
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/256502872.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1299923267&Signature=M94p8cBAUvduS4OYllTP5gqTB4U%3D)
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http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/12_50.html
Video of the reactor in question shows the outer wall of the building that houses the reactor has disappeared.
Prefectural authorities say the power company informed them that the ceiling of the building collapsed after an explosion.
Australian media:
A JAPANESE nuclear power plant exploded today, television footage showed, a day after a massive earthquake damaged the facility's cooling system, as nearby residents were warned to stay indoors.
The article also says the Japanese government was warning citizens to take precautions that appear to be intended to protect them from fallout.
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/japans-fukushima-no1-nuclear-power-plant-explodes/story-e6frfku0-1226020387955
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The pictures on the Australian media look to me like a turbine building - I can see the skeleton of the building on the pics - indicating that it wasn't a solid concrete structure which means there's not enough concrete to be a reactor housing.
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The indication in some of the media has been that it is the *external* reactor housing, and that the internal reactor housing is still intact.
No solid confirmation, however.
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A portion of the reactor's fuel rods, which create heat through a nuclear reaction, had become exposed due to the cooling-system failure. The spokesman for Tepco said 1.5 meters of the 4.5 meter long fuel rods were exposed. It was unclear Saturday afternoon whether the water added by workers had re-covered the rods.
A building at a troubled Japanese nuclear power facility collapsed Saturday afternoon with smoke billowing out, and officials responded by expanding the evacuation perimeter and saying they were preparing to stockpile iodine supplies "just in case."
The evacuation area is currently at 20km.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703555404576195700301455480.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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CONFIRMED: HYDROGEN EXPLOSION BLEW EXTERNAL CONTAINMENT OFF OF REACTOR.
Government plans to use ocean water to cool reactor.
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The tsunami damaged the facility container- government says they never expected a tsunami would reach the plant.
During operations to release the increased pressure from the reactor, hydrogen accumulated between the reactor and the container, which then ignited and caused the explosion.
Government reports no damage to the reactor itself, and says that the explosion relieved much of the pressure, and that radiation levels are dropping.
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No report regarding potential damage to the other three reactors on site during the explosion.
No report regarding the levels of cesium and radioactive iodine previously recorded at the site, seeming to indicate potential meltdown.
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Hopefully we can get Sparky's input re: the potential for damage if meltdown does occur, now that the reactor lacks the containment.
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Conflicting explanations for the sea water use:
Some outlets are saying it will be used as a coolant, some as containment, and some as both.
Unfortunately, the Cabinet Member was vague about the exact purpose.
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son of a bitch
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son of a bitch
That about sums it up.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3icta2Fu54g[/youtube]
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Five people have been swept out to sea after tsunami-created waves of up to eight-foot high crashed onto the shore of Crescent City, California, a small fishing village near the Oregon border.
The tsunami also destroyed the harbor in Crescent City and several other coastal towns in northern California and Oregon.
"There has been major damage to our harbor," Crescent City Councilman Richard Enea told CBS News
http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/121934/20110311/california-tsunami.htm
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3icta2Fu54g[/youtube]
Just how far can we trust the Japanese government to come out with the actual facts on what is going on.???
So far they are trying to control this by by themselves while giving out iodine pills to their people. How can we believable they have contained the problem when scientists around the world are shitting their pants.???
Now how will this affect the Nuclear industry around the world.??
Odd that 5 people I have spoken to remember the 1960's book " On the Beach by Nevil Shout, about a nuclear sub in Australia that the Crew has to face that all is gone from a nuclear problem and the radiation is spreading south to them.
When are country's on the sea take advantage with hydro power, the tide is so powerful, much better then windmills or solar power.
If we could combine tidal power and nuclear energy, one could check the other in case of natural disaster.
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You don't think that cesium being detected outside the reactor indicates that melting may have occurred?
Actually, I'd be looking for other radionuclides in the event of core damage and release.
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(http://blogs.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/FeaturedImagePost/images/japan-radiationcheck.JPG)
Reuters reports damaged core is leaking.
IAEA rates Fukushima event a 4 on the International Nuclear Event Scale.
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I can't watch this anymore! I'm gonna drink a beer and take a nap and thank God I'm safe in my bed!
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Actually, I'd be looking for other radionuclides in the event of core damage and release.
And this?
Hopefully we can get Sparky's input re: the potential for damage if meltdown does occur, now that the reactor lacks the containment.
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If in fact the core has been partially uncovered, it's on par with TMI-2. IOW, yes, reason for concern, not outright panic.
NO, it's not burning like Chernobyl. And it won't.
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If in fact the core has been partially uncovered, it's on par with TMI-2. IOW, yes, reason for concern, not outright panic.
NO, it's not burning like Chernobyl. And it won't.
This is because of the differences between a light-water [Fukushima 1] and graphite [Chernobyl]?
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This is because of the differences between a light-water [Fukushima 1] and graphite [Chernobyl]?
Among other things, yes--including the fact that Fukishima is shut down. The problem they're having is decay heat. Even after shutdown, fissions are still occurring for a period of time (about 3 percent of pre-shutdown levels initially) and that heat has to be carried away, usually by venting steam via dumps or the rolling the turbine unloaded. But without the electricity to feed water BACK into the core, that's not an option, and it's entirely possible their steam-driven feed pumps were inoperable due to plant damage from the quake.
Also, the seawater (cooling water) intakes were possibly fouled during the tsunami, meaning even if they could dump steam there's no way to condense it and send it back to the reactor, and you've got the same problem over again.
Bottom line--I'm not going to panic right now, and I'm going to wait for the WANO report to come out.
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Actually, I'd be looking for other radionuclides in the event of core damage and release.
SPARKY, who designed the Seabrook reactor, was it the same company that designed the Japanese reactors or some other.???
This disaster is a lesson for all the reactors about the world, plan on everything that even if impossible to our thinking at this time, what could go wrong.
We on the Atlantic don't worry about earthquakes or tsunamis to any extent, but we have scientists that are very worried about the Methane pockets that are building on the ocean floor.
Few people think or worry about them, but they can become an interesting problem, all kinds of things we do not ever think of.
We do need our reactors but we also need to anticipate damn anything that can go wrong. Our plants need to be better built, better protected from any problem. A battery back up or diesel back up is insane. We need to find a way to back up the plants with something that that is not old school. What the hell do we pay our engineers all that money for if the they cannot find a way to keep the plants on the line regardless of loss of power to them??????
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The Prime Minister and Cabinet Secretary said in their press conference [last night] that a tsunami was never anticipated to come that far inland.
Which seems absurd when you consider that historically Japan has had *larger* tsunami than they experienced on the 11th.
The fault isn't nuclear energy, it's absurdly piss-poor planning.
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SPARKY, who designed the Seabrook reactor, was it the same company that designed the Japanese reactors or some other.???
According to the US Nuclear Regulatory Agency, the vendor for Seabrook's reactor was Westinghouse Four-Loop.
http://www.nrc.gov/info-finder/reactor/seab1.html
Everything I've read thus far has said the Fukushima 1's vendor was GE.
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Huge blast at Japan nuclear power plant
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219
A building housing a reactor was destroyed, but the authorities said the reactor itself was intact inside its steel container.
The Japanese government has sought to play down fears of a meltdown at the Fukushima plant.
It says radiation levels around the stricken plant have now fallen.
A huge rescue and relief operation is under way in the region after the earthquake and subsequent tsunami, which are thought to have killed more than 1,000 people.
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51650000/jpg/_51650621_combo304.jpg)Fukushima before and after explosion
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51650000/gif/_51650619_japan_quake_sendai_464-v3.gif)
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what caused the quake??? global warming. what else???
Idiot global warming fanatics blame earthquake on climate change
I remember after the Indonesia earthquake and Tsunami that some moonbat liberals over at Democratic Underground blamed the catastrophe on the US, claiming we had invented an earthquake machine and Tsunami generator to kill the brown people of the world.
That was topped by one of the posters on the thread (long since deleted) that global warming was the cause of the quake. It seems that Gaia was so distraught because we were ignoring the problem that she caused the quake to remind us who's in charge on planet earth.
This was topped by a report last year - generated by climate change scientists - that because the ice sheets of the world were melting, the earth's crust "bounced back" from the weight being lifted and this causes more earthquakes and volcanic eruptions.
That's right - they are saying that global warming causes earthquakes.
Some poor global warming religionist posted yesterday on this nutty idea. He was hammered so badly that he changed the article and headline. But Tim Blair caught him before he made the changes:
Lots of warmist idiots immediately connected the Japanese disaster - which might have killed more than 1000 - to climate change:
So far, today's tsunami has mainly affected Japan - there are reports of up to 300 dead in the coastal city of Sendai - but future tsunamis could strike the U.S. and virtually any other coastal area of the world with equal or greater force, say scientists. In a little-heeded warning issued at a 2009 conference on the subject, experts outlined a range of mechanisms by which climate change could already be causing more earthquakes, tsunamis, and volcanic activity.
"When the ice is lost, the earth's crust bounces back up again and that triggers earthquakes, which trigger submarine landslides, which cause tsunamis," Bill McGuire, professor at University College London, told Reuters.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/idiot_global_warming_fanatics.html
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what caused the quake??? global warming. what else???
Idiot global warming fanatics blame earthquake on climate change
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/idiot_global_warming_fanatics.html
Thats one of the least stupid things I've heard. Some people a blaming the moon. :mental:
http://obsweatherguy.blogspot.com/2011/03/japan-quake-and-super-moon.html
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Because apparently Democrats don't believe in tectonic subduction.
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now they report an emergency at a second reactor
Japan Nuclear Agency Reports Emergency at Second Reactor as Hundreds of Thousands Flee
IWAKI, Japan – Japan's nuclear safety agency reports an emergency at a second reactor as the International Atomic Energy Agency says nearly 170,000 people have been evacuated from areas near two nuclear power plants.
The blast at a Japanese power station Saturday leveled a building housing its reactor and stoked fears of a nuclear meltdown, as officials searched for thousands of people missing more than a day after a devastating earthquake and tsunami.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/12/shaking-smoke-seen-japanese-nuclear-plant-facing-possible-meltdown/#
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This gets worse and worse. Now, almost 10,000 people are missing from one village and once it is all done, the death toll could very well be in the thousands.
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what a history. these people were terrified of the Abombs we dropped. tried to outlaw nukes and now they're terrified of it again.
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hmmmmmmmmm, I always thought earthquakes were caused by the sudden shift of the continental shelf. Maybe I am wrong :???:
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Thats one of the least stupid things I've heard. Some people a blaming the moon. :mental:
http://obsweatherguy.blogspot.com/2011/03/japan-quake-and-super-moon.html
Well lets see here, having lived on the edge of both the Atlantic and the Pacific most my life I can understand how some would give this a thought.
In my area we are at the edge of the tidal mass that going north and turns into the Bay of Fundy, one of the great wonders of the world.
As we Kayaked about our area we can see the difference when there is a full moon rising, One minute we have 30 feet of water under us and I have been stranded a few times on the mud flats as I could not paddle fast enough to shore to out run the tide.
The configuration of our major river is such that in places the tide will go out leaving 1/4 mile of mud flats or more with just a narrow channel in the middle for boats to navigate to.
The tremendous amount of energy needed to fill or empty the water every 6 hours is unfathomable. Much depends on the depth of the water, the botton and its twists and turns.
Mother lives on a small cove and the low tide mark is perhaps 40 feet in front of her house---But the neighbor who has a dock not 20 feet from her property line has very little flats and has a deep water dock and only 2-3 feet of flats.
Anything with the strength of the moon to displace billions and billions of water every 6 hours all over the world should not be ruled out when it comes to shifting the ocean plates. Add in an earthquake and now we are talking about the most powerfull energy know to man or our planet.
Not too hard to consider the Moon and its gravitational pull as playing a part in all life on earth. Without our moon we would become a dead planet.
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what caused the quake??? global warming. what else???
Idiot global warming fanatics blame earthquake on climate change
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/idiot_global_warming_fanatics.html
That is really stupid. How does climate even have anything to do with earthquakes????????????????? :???: :mental: :bs: :wtf2:
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That is really stupid. How does climate even have anything to do with earthquakes????????????????? :???: :mental: :bs: :wtf2:
Oh but you will believe bunnies did right? :hammer:
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
Japan Earthquake: before and after
Images of devastation wrought on the by the earthquake and tsunami.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
Japan Earthquake: before and after
Images of devastation wrought on the by the earthquake and tsunami.
really cool
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A 60-year-old man has been found on the roof of his floating house nearly 10 miles out at sea, two days after the tsunami that devastated the north-east coast of Japan.
Hiromitsu Shinkawa must have resigned himself to his fate when he was swept away by the retreating tsunami that roared ashore in his home town of Minami Soma in Fukushima prefecture.
As the wave approached, Shinkawa took the fateful decision to return home to collect belongings. Minutes later he was out at sea clinging to a piece of the roof from his own home.
Incredibly, he was spotted by a maritime self-defence force destroyer taking part in the rescue effort as he clung to the wreckage with one hand and waved a self-made red flag with the other. He had been at sea for two days.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/13/japan-tsunami-survivor-shinkawa-rescued-fukushima
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/3/13/1300025776724/Tsunami-victim-Hiromitsu--007.jpg)
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(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/3/13/1300025776724/Tsunami-victim-Hiromitsu--007.jpg)
he's asking which way to America and how far
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ok ill tag it here. watching CNN.
another nuke plant explodes. damage unknown
hang on. another quake and Tusnami on the way.
plus a volcano eruption today.
lets see. what else can we pile on ???
no links yet.
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ok here it is
Japan Earthquake: Evacuations Ordered Amid New Tsunami Fears
Japanese officials ordered evacuations Monday following a warning of a new tsunami triggered by aftershocks along the already earthquake-ravaged eastern coast of the nation.
Officials reported as much as a 16-foot change in sea level off the central and northern sections of the coastline, according to NHK.
Japanese authorities have declared a state of emergency at another nuclear power plant following Friday's massive earthquake that has left the country in a crisis Japan hasn't seen since World War II.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/japan-earthquake-death-toll-set-rise-fukushima-nuclear/story?id=13126081
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Here's the story about the volcano.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-japan-quake-volcano-20110314,0,2486939.story?track=rss
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ok ill tag it here. watching CNN.
another nuke plant explodes. damage unknown
hang on. another quake and Tusnami on the way.
plus a volcano eruption today.
lets see. what else can we pile on ???
no links yet.
Rodan and Godzilla could show up?
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5jfCb6-2RA[/youtube]
Hey, we could all use a little levity at this point...
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US Navy reports helicopter crew from USS Ron Reagan exposed to radiation.
Prelim reports are that the personnel were decontaminated, which was "successful".
Carrier itself may have passed through radioactive plume.
http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_17608617?source=rss&nclick_check=1
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The U.S. 7th Fleet has temporarily repositioned its ships and aircraft away from the Fukushima Dai-Ichi Nuclear Power Plant after detecting low level contamination in the air and on its aircraft operating in the area. The source of this airborne radioactivity is a radioactive plume released from the Fukushima Dai-Ichi Nuclear Power Plant.
The ship was operating at sea about 100 miles northeast of the power plant at the time.
http://www.c7f.navy.mil/news/2011/03-march/026.htm
Different reports conflict regarding whether the ship itself was exposed to radiation, or if the radiation was limited to the helicopters, which were operating approx. 60 miles from the reactors.
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Probably the helicopters, and they almost certainly had to use a PRM-5N probe to find the shit. Regular frisker probably wouldn't have picked it up.
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Despite reporting to the contrary in some media outlets, that seems to be the gist of the Navy's press release, yup.
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With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound
He pulls the spitting high tension wires down
Helpless people on a subway train
Scream bug-eyed as he looks in on them
He picks up a bus and he throws it back down
As he wades through the buildings toward the center of town
Oh no, they say hes got to go
Go go Godzilla, yeah
Oh no, there goes Tokyo
Go go Godzilla, yeah
Rinji news o moshiagemasu!
Rinji news o moshiagemasu!
Godzilla ga ginza hoomen e mukatte imasu!
Daishkyu hinan shite kudasai!
Daishkyu hinan shite kudasai!
Oh no, they say hes got to go
Go go Godzilla, yeah
Oh no, there goes Tokyo
Go go Godzilla, yeah
History shows again and again
How nature points up the folly of men
Godzilla!
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Probably the helicopters, and they almost certainly had to use a PRM-5N probe to find the shit. Regular frisker probably wouldn't have picked it up.
That's one damn sensitive probe. Found some dirty fittins from a 3666 turned in by the Chicago. Shut us down for three days while they surveyed everything in the shop. Didn't even phase my TLD though.
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it appears now the Japanese are putting this honor first, we can do it ourselves, we don't need your help BS in the shit can as another reactor explodes. add to it another after shock quake producing another Tsunami. also the volcano eruption. so I think maybe they've finally had enough. and its not over yet.
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US Navy reports helicopter crew from USS Ron Reagan exposed to radiation.
Prelim reports are that the personnel were decontaminated, which was "successful".
Carrier itself may have passed through radioactive plume.
http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_17608617?source=rss&nclick_check=1
"Officials insisted that unless the quake-damaged nuclear plants deteriorated into full meltdown, any radiation that reached the United States would be too weak to do any harm."
(http://www.crystalinks.com/johnnyhat.gif)
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CBS Morning Show was reporting 34 countries are currently giving aid to Japan.
The prime minister (?) said Japan has not seen destruction like this since WWII.
There must be some irony in all this for the much older Japanese. Prior to the earthquake/tsunami, the US was the country that did the most destruction to Japan, with this devastation - the US was the first country there to help.
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Official: Damaged Japan Nuclear Fuel Rods Were Fully Exposed
SOMA, Japan -- The second hydrogen explosion in three days rocked a Japanese nuclear plant Monday, sending a massive cloud of smoke into the air and injuring 11 workers. The blast was felt 25 miles away, but the plant's operator said the radiation levels at the affected unit were still within legal limits.
Japan's meteorological agency reported the prevailing wind in the area of the stricken nuclear plant was heading east -- to the Pacific.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/14/japanese-official-damaged-reactor-fuel-rods-temporarily-exposed/#
unconfirmed: A 7.5 Earthquake off of Indonesia overnight, and a new Volcano erupting in the Phillippines
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv-Fk1PwVeU[/youtube]
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CBS Morning Show was reporting 34 countries are currently giving aid to Japan.
The prime minister (?) said Japan has not seen destruction like this since WWII.
There must be some irony in all this for the much older Japanese. Prior to the earthquake/tsunami, the US was the country that did the most destruction to Japan, with this devastation - the US was the first country there to help.
Great point, Deb. +1! :cheersmate:
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Miracle of the baby girl plucked from the rubble: Four-month-old reunited with her father after incredible rescue
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366155/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-4-month-old-baby-girl-father-reunited-Ishinomaki.html
A miracle in an area ridden by disaster.
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To go w/ Sparky's Blue Oyster Cult:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ5ob9B9yD4&feature=player_embedded#at=26[/youtube]
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Two thousand bodies were washed up on the shores of north-east Japan yesterday
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366093/Japan-faces-2nd-earthquake-tsunami-2-000-bodies-wash-ashore.html#ixzz1GdRci3qm
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would not surprise me if the count reach's 80-100,000 or more
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And in other news, Gilbert Gottfried is a douchebag.
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And in other news, Gilbert Gottfried is a douchebag.
maybe this will ease the pain
Gilbert Gottfried Fired as Aflac Duck After Insensitive Japan Jokes
http://www.popeater.com/2011/03/14/gilbert-gottfried-fired-aflac/?flv=1
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I don't know why but this picture really scares me. Poor girl was exposed to radiation so they have her contained. Her mom brought her dog by. :(
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20110314/i/ra303228381.jpg)
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Fox is reporting radiation now leaking into atmosphere
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/15/japanese-nuclear-panic-rises-agency-says-radiation-leaking-atmosphere/#
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I don't know why but this picture really scares me. Poor girl was exposed to radiation so they have her contained. Her mom brought her dog by. :(
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20110314/i/ra303228381.jpg)
critics are still saying don't worry be happy
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I don't know why but this picture really scares me. Poor girl was exposed to radiation so they have her contained. Her mom brought her dog by. :(
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20110314/i/ra303228381.jpg)
That looks like a zombie Michael Jackson behind the glass.
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That looks like a zombie Michael Jackson behind the glass.
ZOMG! it does! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound
He pulls the spitting high tension wires down
Helpless people on a subway train
Scream bug-eyed as he looks in on them
He picks up a bus and he throws it back down
As he wades through the buildings toward the center of town
Oh no, they say hes got to go
Go go Godzilla, yeah
Oh no, there goes Tokyo
Go go Godzilla, yeah
Rinji news o moshiagemasu!
Rinji news o moshiagemasu!
Godzilla ga ginza hoomen e mukatte imasu!
Daishkyu hinan shite kudasai!
Daishkyu hinan shite kudasai!
Oh no, they say hes got to go
Go go Godzilla, yeah
Oh no, there goes Tokyo
Go go Godzilla, yeah
History shows again and again
How nature points up the folly of men
Godzilla!
Love that song and Blue Oyster Cult. I think though that Godzilla would have wreacked a whole lot less damage on Japan. :bawl:
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low levels of radiation detected at Yokosuka naval base
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The Navy has pulled all our ships around to the Sea of Japan so they're on the west side, away from the prevailing winds.
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The Navy has pulled all our ships around to the Sea of Japan so they're on the west side, away from the prevailing winds.
seemed to me the emperor's lake was the best place to operate
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And in other news, Gilbert Gottfried is a douchebag.
Here's a female version.
UCLA Student Posts Video Rant on Asians
Published March 15, 2011
Alexandra Wallace, a student at UCLA, posted a video rant on YouTube called "Asians in the Library," in which she criticizes the school for accepting "these hordes of Asian people" (YouTube).
LOS ANGELES -- The chancellor of the University of California, Los Angeles said Monday he was "appalled by the thoughtless and hurtful comments" that a white student made about her Asian classmates in a video that has drawn national attention.
Alexandra Wallace posted a three-minute rant on YouTube called "Asians in the Library," in which she criticizes the school for accepting "these hordes of Asian people" who she said have no manners and invite their extended family to visit on the weekends. The UCLA political science student also faulted Asian students for disrupting her studies at the library by calling family members in the wake of the tsunami.
"I'll be in, like, deep into my studying, into my political science theories and arguments and all that stuff, getting it all down, like typing away furiously, blah, blah, blah, and then all of a sudden when I'm about to, like, reach an epiphany, overhear from somewhere, `Oh ching chong ling long ting tong, ooohh," she said.
(http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Scitech/397/224/UCLArant.JPG)
UCLA Chancellor Gene D. Block said the video doesn't reflect the views of the university community
"Like many of you, I recoil when someone invokes the right of free expression to demean other individuals or groups," he wrote in a statement posted on the university's website.
Wallace, who couldn't immediately be reached for comment, issued an apology to the university's Daily Bruin newspaper on Sunday, calling the video inappropriate.
"I cannot explain what possessed me to approach the subject as I did, and if I could undo it, I would," she said. "I would like to offer my apology to the entire UCLA campus."
University officials are evaluating whether there have been any violations of the student code of conduct and what sanctions, if any, are appropriate.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/14/ucla-student-posts-video-rant-asians/#ixzz1GjPp5I6Q
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/14/ucla-student-posts-video-rant-asians/
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UCLA political science student
'Nuff said. Then again, UCLA DOES stand for, "University of Continuously Lost Asians."
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'Nuff said. Then again, UCLA DOES stand for, "University of Continuously Lost Asians."
this it??? Embedding disabled by request
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoLLEZlpUxk[/youtube]
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I think I'll e-mail that to my cousin, she of the "UCLA is the best university EVAR!" alumni of said school. Then again, she may be an airhead racist, but nice rack!
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That's not common sense loaded in her tits, that's for sure...
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOGpGoEMu2s[/youtube]
:lmao:
BTW, is it possible that I agree and disagree with some of both their points?
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOGpGoEMu2s[/youtube]
:lmao:
BTW, is it possible that I agree and disagree with some of both their points?
Me also but, this young woman is loosing the best education in life she will never get--- and this is out of school.
She hears people in dread fear of the lives of their family and well being, what the hell is wrong with going to the person that interrupted her euphony and giving them a hug. These students must speak English, and even if they do not, a hug and a caring moment is universal as to care. So all this young woman hears is chinck chong, would she be happy to hear Finnish or Russian ??
What the **** is more important then the agony of family over not knowing if their family is still alive, --not one spoiled brat wanting to have them shut the **** up so she can pass a test.
The song from HAIR comes to mind, " How can people be so hartless, so easy to be cold."
This child does not understand that if she has to say screw the test i NEED TO GIVE MY SELF AND COMPASSION TO THOSE IN DIRE STRATES ---SO BE IT. She can take that test at a later date.
Sorry but when distaster strikes I have to put the people effected before my or my family's needs. When my family is unaffected by a disaster's, then I expect them to respond, in some way, even if my 7 year old bakes cookies for those in shelters.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOGpGoEMu2s[/youtube]
:lmao:
BTW, is it possible that I agree and disagree with some of both their points?
:rotf:
That was awesome.
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From NEI:
UPDATE AS OF 10:00 A.M. EDT, WEDNESDAY, MARCH 16:
News reports that high radiation levels led to the evacuation of all workers from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station are not accurate. Workers were evacuated for about an hour but returned to the site to continue efforts to restore safe conditions at the plant.
Restoration of electrical power to the site was underway at the Daiichi plant as of 6:00 a.m. EDT Wednesday. A temporary cable was being connected between an off-site power line and Daiichi reactor 3. Off-site power has not been available at the site since the earthquake on March 11.
Reactors 1, 2 and 3 at the plant are being cooled with seawater. There is some level of uranium fuel damage at all three units, and containment structure damage is suspected at units 2 and 3, NucNet reported.
Before the earthquake, Reactor 4 had been in refueling and was completely defueled. Attempts to provide cooling water to the used fuel pool at reactor 4 by helicopter were not successful. Preparations are being made to inject water into the fuel storage pool using a high-capacity spray pump. There have been two fires inside the reactor containment building at reactor 4, but they have been extinguished. Although the reactor containment building at Unit 4 was damaged, the primary containment vessel remains intact.
At the Fukushima Daini site, all four reactors are safely shut down and cooling functions are being maintained.
(End of NEI Report)
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From NEI:
UPDATE AS OF 10:00 A.M. EDT, WEDNESDAY, MARCH 16:
News reports that high radiation levels led to the evacuation of all workers from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station are not accurate. Workers were evacuated for about an hour but returned to the site to continue efforts to restore safe conditions at the plant.
Restoration of electrical power to the site was underway at the Daiichi plant as of 6:00 a.m. EDT Wednesday. A temporary cable was being connected between an off-site power line and Daiichi reactor 3. Off-site power has not been available at the site since the earthquake on March 11.
Reactors 1, 2 and 3 at the plant are being cooled with seawater. There is some level of uranium fuel damage at all three units, and containment structure damage is suspected at units 2 and 3, NucNet reported.
Before the earthquake, Reactor 4 had been in refueling and was completely defueled. Attempts to provide cooling water to the used fuel pool at reactor 4 by helicopter were not successful. Preparations are being made to inject water into the fuel storage pool using a high-capacity spray pump. There have been two fires inside the reactor containment building at reactor 4, but they have been extinguished. Although the reactor containment building at Unit 4 was damaged, the primary containment vessel remains intact.At the Fukushima Daini site, all four reactors are safely shut down and cooling functions are being maintained.
(End of NEI Report)
Sparky, regarding the bolded bit. Why is everyone now flipping out about Unit 4 not having any water. Isn't that pretty much what you quoted above? I appreciate your input, because my nuclear knowledge is VERY limited, and the media is just going balls to the wall about it. As usual.
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on the science channel last night they did a special on volcano's and earthquakes. including this
Historic Earthquakes
Tonankai. Japan
1944 December 07 04:35 UTC
Magnitude 8.1
998 deaths. More than 73,000 houses were destroyed or heavily damaged by the earthquake and an additional 3,000 houses were washed away by the tsunami. The quake was felt from northern Honshu to Kyushu. A large tsunami struck the Pacific Coast of Japan from Choshi, Honshu to Tosashimizu, Shikoku. Maximum wave heights of up to 8 m (26 ft) were observed on the east coast of the Kii Peninsula, Honshu. A 0.5-m tsunami was recorded on Attu, Alaska and a small tsunami was recorded at San Diego and Terminal Island, California.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/world/events/1944_12_07.php
it was wartime of course. at first they thought the shake was from allied bombings
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Cappie Pondexter.
And Cappie Pondexter, again for some reason best known only to her, decided to use Twitter to express her own racism, directed specifically at Japanese citizens suffering from one of the worst disasters in recorded history. Yep. The same Rutgers University Basketball Player Cappie Pondexter who was called a "nappy headed ho," by Radio Talk Show Host Don Imus, and said that was "unacceptable and inappropriate," got on Twitter a few days ago and said:
First: "maybe god was tired of the way they treated there own people"
Then: "u just never knw! They did pearl harbor so u can't expect anything less"
Are we seeing women as the new racists? Is it all because they can't find a guy of a certain color? What's the deal here with this spewing of female racism? Not only that, it oddly underscores the point that the best man out there for a woman doesn't always have the same skin color, so they should get over it.
Alexandra Wallace Cappie Pondexter Racist Anti-Asian Rants Show Racism Still Alive
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=85143
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Gilbert Gottfried apologizes for Japan earthquake jokes; Howard Stern, Joan Rivers slam Aflac firing
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/03/15/2011-03-15_gilbert_gottfried_apologizes_for_japan_tweets_howard_stern_joan_rivers_slam_afla.html
Joan Rivers and Howard Stern are clearly irrelavant. I guess all the plastic surgery Rivers got messed up her brain. How about Stern no longer what he was, a shock jock.
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Sparky, regarding the bolded bit. Why is everyone now flipping out about Unit 4 not having any water. Isn't that pretty much what you quoted above? I appreciate your input, because my nuclear knowledge is VERY limited, and the media is just going balls to the wall about it. As usual.
Because unlike the primary fuel, the spent fuel pool is just that--a pool of about 20-25 foot deep water (normally) used not only to cool the used fuel, but to provide shielding as well. Remove that and bad things will happen, especially where there is a lot less of a barrier between it and atmosphere.
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Because unlike the primary fuel, the spent fuel pool is just that--a pool of about 20-25 foot deep water (normally) used not only to cool the used fuel, but to provide shielding as well. Remove that and bad things will happen, especially where there is a lot less of a barrier between it and atmosphere.
Ok, that makes sense. Thanks!
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Ok, that makes sense. Thanks!
Ok here is perhaps the most stupid questions of the year so far.
As if what has been said so far is true, there is some radiation just floating away from the Island. Now what effect will the rain and snow have on the drifting radiation, will it somehow capture the radiation and pull it to the ground hooked to the snow or rain.????
What about FALL OUT that we equate with radiation and think of something that sort of reminds me of Ivory Soap Flakes.????? Is fall out visible to the human eye???
BTW, those silly Scientists that were it not for the tragedy going on at this time, I would get a belly laugh out of watching them debate.
Yesterday on FOX two of them with opposing view points were being interviewed and both came close to blows on their theory's. Both of them with EGO'S the size of a barn were raising their voices, talking over each and the interviewer had to cut them off.
Really came across that NO ONE knows what can or will happen, we have been playing with fire for years and can only now realise that we actually have very little knowledge about this beast and had better rethink out of the box.
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Ok here is perhaps the most stupid questions of the year so far.
As if what has been said so far is true, there is some radiation just floating away from the Island. Now what effect will the rain and snow have on the drifting radiation, will it somehow capture the radiation and pull it to the ground hooked to the snow or rain.????
News show this morning, just showed the expected "drift" path across the Pacific.
It stopped just at the coastal edge of the US.
I didn't know the wind stopped when it hit California.
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dog Leads Rescuers to Injured Friend
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdksXMfCWHM[/youtube]
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dog Leads Rescuers to Injured Friend
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdksXMfCWHM[/youtube]
If my wife sees this............................. :bawl:
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If my wife sees this............................. :bawl:
My wife's the same way. She saw this a few days ago, and she said that both dogs were rescued and taken to an animal shelter and are fine.
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Dogs are the most amazing creatures, in the way that they feel compassion for human, or even another animals.