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The Bar => The Lounge => Topic started by: DixieBelle on April 07, 2008, 02:57:28 PM
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Men are no longer needed. For the past 40 years, the role of men in Western society has diminished immensely. Before men were seen as providers and protectors. It seems the only thing men are good for is providing sperm for species propagation. But even that’s been taken away from them. Knowing their irrelevancy, many men are reporting feeling lost, depressed, and undervalued.
Solve one problem, create another
Men’s irrelevancy is due in a large part to the feminist movement. I think society owes a great deal to feminism. I don’t think any of us would want to live in a world where the only aspiration a woman has is becoming a wife and a mother. Thanks to feminism, women have more choices and men and women are seen as equals. I like feminism so much, I married a feminist and I unequivocally believe in the equality of the sexes.
In the midst of solving one problem, however, we’ve created another. While the feminist movement focused on the role of women in society, little discussion was given to what men’s role in this new world would be. As a result, we’re left with men who are confused and lost about their purpose as a man.
A survey featured this week in the Telegraph UK sheds some light on how men feel about their role today:
52% said they had to live according to women’s rules
58% said they would prefer to be the main breadwinner, with 34% preferring their wife to be a full-time mother/homemaker, and 24% preferring their wife to work part-time.
only 33% felt they could speak freely what they thought
67% felt it safer to conceal their opinion
more than half thought society was turning them into “waxed and coifed metrosexualsâ€
The Call for a Menaissance
One of the reasons I started The Art of Manliness was because I noticed this sense of disorientation in myself and in my peers. It seems as though as women became more successful men were content to fade in the background and become slackers. The only idea of manliness I saw in popular culture was the crude caricature of it found in Maxim Magazine or on Spike TV.
In response to this vacuum of true manliness, the Telegraph article reports that some American scholars are calling for a “menaissanceâ€- a return to embracing instead of shunning real manliness.
The fact that men and women are equal doesn’t have to mean they are exactly the same. True manliness sees women as equals in every way, but at the same time recognizes and appreciates our differences. Traditional manliness was characterized by ideas of honor, strength, virtue, sacrifice, responsibility, leadership, and integrity. Women rightly argue that their sex embraces these same values. But is it possible that these values and characteristics might manifest themselves differently in each sex?
This is what I think is at the heart of the menaissance-exploring how the way men live out these values gives them a unique identity as men.
I hope the Art of Manliness can play a role in bringing back manliness and ringing in the menaissance. I started the blog with the hopes of discovering what manliness means today. I still don’t have all the answers, but I am enjoying delving into the questions. And I hope you all come along for the ride.
http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/27/its-time-for-a-menaissance/
great site!!!
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Sorry. Until you ladies can kill bugs/take out the trash, I'm still needed, damnit!
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Despite the proliferation of, shall we say, certain devices......I still find men indispensable. And I'm not talking about fly swatters :-)
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Sorry. Until you ladies can kill bugs/take out the trash, I'm still needed, damnit!
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Don't forget about reaching stuff on top shelves. :-)
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A fine lady is the greatest earthly gift God ever gave to men so they should be treated as such.
Maybe that is a bit sexist but I don`t care.
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Sorry. Until you ladies can kill bugs/take out the trash, I'm still needed, damnit!
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Or pick up mutilated rodents the cats played with until they died. Under those circumstances my job is generally to run screaming from the room.
Cindie
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Exactly how much housework does a husband create? (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-04/uom-ehm040408.php)
I can't believe I found this... :-)
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Single women in their 20s and 30s did the least housework---about 12 works a week on average, while married women in their 60s and 70s did the most---about 21 hours a week. Men showed a somewhat different pattern. Older men did more housework than younger men, but single men did more in all age groups than married men.
Married women with more than three kids did an average of about 28 hours of housework a week. Married men with more than three kids, by comparison, logged only about 10 hours of housework a week.
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Society can pretend to take away all that which the male human represents, but until logic is forever ban, the hetrosexual man will always have the upper hand.
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Sorry. Until you ladies can kill bugs/take out the trash, I'm still needed, damnit!
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Don't forget about reaching stuff on top shelves. :-)
:thatsright:
Tell me about it! :lmao:
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[Men’s irrelevancy is due in a large part to the feminist movement. /quote]Absolutely! I would go one step further and say that the feminist movement has for the most part "castrated"men to a great extent. these same feminists will now ask "where are all the real men?" They are a dying breed Cupcake! but a few of us diehards are still out there :-)
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Sorry. Until you ladies can kill bugs/take out the trash, I'm still needed, damnit!
:-)
Don't forget about reaching stuff on top shelves. :-)
:thatsright:
Tell me about it! :lmao:
I'm with you sister. This is why I never dated a short man. I need that sorta help ya know? :-)
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[Men’s irrelevancy is due in a large part to the feminist movement. /quote]Absolutely! I would go one step further and say that the feminist movement has for the most part "castrated"men to a great extent. these same feminists will now ask "where are all the real men?" They are a dying breed Cupcake! but a few of us diehards are still out there :-)
I blame men more than the feminist movement. Many of us have allowed ourselves to be wimpified.
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[Men’s irrelevancy is due in a large part to the feminist movement. /quote]Absolutely! I would go one step further and say that the feminist movement has for the most part "castrated"men to a great extent. these same feminists will now ask "where are all the real men?" They are a dying breed Cupcake! but a few of us diehards are still out there :-)
I blame men more than the feminist movement. Many of us have allowed ourselves to be wimpified.
Good point SD! No one should ever be able to take a real mans manliness from him. Problem is Splash alot of these guys were raised by feminists so they don't know any better. Dad was either working constantly or absent from the family so I guess some of the blame can rest on his shoulders too. :cheersmate:
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[Men’s irrelevancy is due in a large part to the feminist movement. /quote]Absolutely! I would go one step further and say that the feminist movement has for the most part "castrated"men to a great extent. these same feminists will now ask "where are all the real men?" They are a dying breed Cupcake! but a few of us diehards are still out there :-)
I blame men more than the feminist movement. Many of us have allowed ourselves to be wimpified.
Good point SD! No one should ever be able to take a real mans manliness from him. Problem is Splash alot of these guys were raised by feminists so they don't know any better. Dad was either working constantly or absent from the family so I guess some of the blame can rest on his shoulders too. :cheersmate:
Yep. Pretty much!
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Kim du Toit wrote The Pussification Of The Western Male some years ago, I link to it whenever I see this topic discussed as it pretty much perfectly summarizes my feelings.
http://www.theothersideofkim.com/index.php/essays/41/
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Sorry. Until you ladies can kill bugs/take out the trash, I'm still needed, damnit!
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I kill the bugs and take out the trash. Hubby does have to deal with any mice that wander into the house.
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67% felt it safer to conceal their opinion
surely, you good ladies don't mean to imply that there is no such thing as "an unanswerable question" when it comes to dealing with you, do you? :-)
personally, I think absolute silence is the only correct answers in some situations. :uhsure: :whatever:
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personally, I think absolute silence is the only correct answers in some situations. :uhsure: :whatever:
"Is she prettier than me?" :fuelfire:
"What are you thinking about?" :fuelfire:
"Did you hear what I just said?" :fuelfire:
"Does this dress make me look fat?" :fuelfire:
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personally, I think absolute silence is the only correct answers in some situations. :uhsure: :whatever:
"Is she prettier than me?" :fuelfire:
"What are you thinking about?" :fuelfire:
"Did you hear what I just said?" :fuelfire:
"Does this dress make me look fat?" :fuelfire:
precisely. thank god someone understands. :-)
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"Does this dress make me look fat?"
Answering this question with "NO it's all the ice cream and chocolate you eat what does that", is really bad for your health.
just sayin' :evillaugh:.
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"Does this dress make me look fat?"
Answering this question with "NO it's all the ice cream and chocolate you eat what does that", is really bad for your health.
just sayin' :evillaugh:.
important note: this is merely offered as a public service announcement. I hereby disclaim any personal association with the proceeding remark.
and, of course, whatever you do, gentlemen, do not say, "no, it's your ass that makes you look fat", even if it does seem like it would be the funniest thing that anyone ever said. trust me, it only seems that way.
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I always said, "NO, the dress is just a victim. You are the one who makes IT look fat!"
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I always said, "NO, the dress is just a victim. You are the one who makes IT look fat!"
Hi-5 for having the courage to risk great bodily harm, potential "bobbitizing" , and withdrawal of bedroom privileges.
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Well obviously the correct answer is: "no, it's the fat that makes you look fat." But who wants to hear the truth? :-)
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Well obviously the correct answer is: "no, it's the fat that makes you look fat." But who wants to hear the truth? :-)
Hell no, it makes you do something about it if you have to know the truth. It's funny how once you start doing something about it though, you actually prefer truth over false flattery isn't it?
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Well obviously the correct answer is: "no, it's the fat that makes you look fat." But who wants to hear the truth? :-)
Hell no, it makes you do something about it if you have to know the truth. It's funny how once you start doing something about it though, you actually prefer truth over false flattery isn't it?
Exactly!!! Those comments only hurt me when they are true and I'm not doing anything to reverse the situation. Telling me I'm out of shape while I'm proactively working on getting back into shape doesn't really bother me.
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Well obviously the correct answer is: "no, it's the fat that makes you look fat." But who wants to hear the truth? :-)
Hell no, it makes you do something about it if you have to know the truth. It's funny how once you start doing something about it though, you actually prefer truth over false flattery isn't it?
Exactly!!! Those comments only hurt me when they are true and I'm not doing anything to reverse the situation. Telling me I'm out of shape while I'm proactively working on getting back into shape doesn't really bother me.
Couldn't agree more, Dixie and I think that is because when you are being proactive, you know you are moving towards a goal. Even if something is said in a mean-spirit, it really matters very little to your character and you easily weed it out and if it's said constructively, you take it in, and use it as more motivation towards a goal. I'm with you,sister! :-)
Now where did those men run off too? :evillaugh:
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Well obviously the correct answer is: "no, it's the fat that makes you look fat." But who wants to hear the truth? :-)
Hell no, it makes you do something about it if you have to know the truth. It's funny how once you start doing something about it though, you actually prefer truth over false flattery isn't it?
Exactly!!! Those comments only hurt me when they are true and I'm not doing anything to reverse the situation. Telling me I'm out of shape while I'm proactively working on getting back into shape doesn't really bother me.
Couldn't agree more, Dixie and I think that is because when you are being proactive, you know you are moving towards a goal. Even if something is said in a mean-spirit, it really matters very little to your character and you easily weed it out and if it's said constructively, you take it in, and use it as more motivation towards a goal. I'm with you,sister! :-)
Now where did those men run off too? :evillaugh:
Right here listening intently :therock: :-)
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Now where did those men run off too? :evillaugh:
Shutting up. Taking Wretch's advice. :innocent:
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Well obviously the correct answer is: "no, it's the fat that makes you look fat." But who wants to hear the truth? :-)
Hell no, it makes you do something about it if you have to know the truth. It's funny how once you start doing something about it though, you actually prefer truth over false flattery isn't it?
Exactly!!! Those comments only hurt me when they are true and I'm not doing anything to reverse the situation. Telling me I'm out of shape while I'm proactively working on getting back into shape doesn't really bother me.
Couldn't agree more, Dixie and I think that is because when you are being proactive, you know you are moving towards a goal. Even if something is said in a mean-spirit, it really matters very little to your character and you easily weed it out and if it's said constructively, you take it in, and use it as more motivation towards a goal. I'm with you,sister! :-)
Now where did those men run off too? :evillaugh:
Right here listening intently :therock: :-)
Dixie...they is watching :-)
(http://i30.tinypic.com/1ze84nb.jpg)
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Now where did those men run off too? :evillaugh:
Shutting up. Taking Wretch's advice. :innocent:
Well, that would make sense, except for the fact that Dixie and I are perfect. There is nothing you have to shut up about around us. :-) :innocent: :fuelfire:
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Well obviously the correct answer is: "no, it's the fat that makes you look fat." But who wants to hear the truth? :-)
Hell no, it makes you do something about it if you have to know the truth. It's funny how once you start doing something about it though, you actually prefer truth over false flattery isn't it?
Exactly!!! Those comments only hurt me when they are true and I'm not doing anything to reverse the situation. Telling me I'm out of shape while I'm proactively working on getting back into shape doesn't really bother me.
Couldn't agree more, Dixie and I think that is because when you are being proactive, you know you are moving towards a goal. Even if something is said in a mean-spirit, it really matters very little to your character and you easily weed it out and if it's said constructively, you take it in, and use it as more motivation towards a goal. I'm with you,sister! :-)
Now where did those men run off too? :evillaugh:
Right here listening intently :therock: :-)
Dixie...they is watching :-)
(http://i30.tinypic.com/1ze84nb.jpg)
umhmm and learning? :therock:
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Now where did those men run off too? :evillaugh:
Shutting up. Taking Wretch's advice. :innocent:
Well, that would make sense, except for the fact that Dixie and I are perfect. There is nothing you have to shut up about around us. :-) :innocent: :fuelfire:
Well of course!!!!! :-)
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Well obviously the correct answer is: "no, it's the fat that makes you look fat." But who wants to hear the truth? :-)
Hell no, it makes you do something about it if you have to know the truth. It's funny how once you start doing something about it though, you actually prefer truth over false flattery isn't it?
Exactly!!! Those comments only hurt me when they are true and I'm not doing anything to reverse the situation. Telling me I'm out of shape while I'm proactively working on getting back into shape doesn't really bother me.
Couldn't agree more, Dixie and I think that is because when you are being proactive, you know you are moving towards a goal. Even if something is said in a mean-spirit, it really matters very little to your character and you easily weed it out and if it's said constructively, you take it in, and use it as more motivation towards a goal. I'm with you,sister! :-)
Now where did those men run off too? :evillaugh:
Right here listening intently :therock: :-)
Dixie...they is watching :-)
(http://i30.tinypic.com/1ze84nb.jpg)
umhmm and learning? :therock:
This is almost like a skirt caught in the pantyhose sorta moment :thatsright: :-)
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Now where did those men run off too? :evillaugh:
Shutting up. Taking Wretch's advice. :innocent:
Well, that would make sense, except for the fact that Dixie and I are perfect. There is nothing you have to shut up about around us. :-) :innocent: :fuelfire:
Well of course!!!!! :-)
Well, splash is gone...toast is still hanging strong. :fuelfire:
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Now where did those men run off too? :evillaugh:
Shutting up. Taking Wretch's advice. :innocent:
Well, that would make sense, except for the fact that Dixie and I are perfect. There is nothing you have to shut up about around us. :-) :innocent: :fuelfire:
Well of course!!!!! :-)
Well, splash is gone...toast is still hanging strong. :fuelfire:
And to the right :-)
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personally, I think absolute silence is the only correct answers in some situations. :uhsure: :whatever:
"Is she prettier than me?" :fuelfire: answer: "Aren't they all?"
"What are you thinking about?" :fuelfire: answer: "Nothing you would understand."
"Did you hear what I just said?" :fuelfire: answer: "Yes, but it didn't merit a reply."
"Does this dress make me look fat?" :fuelfire: answer: "Don't blame it on the dress."
:pokingpoop: :tongue:
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Now where did those men run off too? :evillaugh:
Shutting up. Taking Wretch's advice. :innocent:
Well, that would make sense, except for the fact that Dixie and I are perfect. There is nothing you have to shut up about around us. :-) :innocent: :fuelfire:
Well of course!!!!! :-)
Well, splash is gone...toast is still hanging strong. :fuelfire:
And to the right :-)
:o :lmao:
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personally, I think absolute silence is the only correct answers in some situations. :uhsure: :whatever:
"Is she prettier than me?" :fuelfire: answer: "Aren't they all?"
"What are you thinking about?" :fuelfire: answer: "Nothing you would understand."
"Did you hear what I just said?" :fuelfire: answer: "Yes, but it didn't merit a reply."
"Does this dress make me look fat?" :fuelfire: answer: "Don't blame it on the dress."
:pokingpoop: :tongue:
There is a fine line between brave and stupid :lmao:
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personally, I think absolute silence is the only correct answers in some situations. :uhsure: :whatever:
"Is she prettier than me?" :fuelfire: answer: "Aren't they all?"
"What are you thinking about?" :fuelfire: answer: "Nothing you would understand."
"Did you hear what I just said?" :fuelfire: answer: "Yes, but it didn't merit a reply."
"Does this dress make me look fat?" :fuelfire: answer: "Don't blame it on the dress."
:pokingpoop: :tongue:
There is a fine line between brave and stupid :lmao:
Nah, I've stomped on that line so many times it's just a blur now. BTW, every one of those answers has earnd "the look". :uhsure:
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personally, I think absolute silence is the only correct answers in some situations. :uhsure: :whatever:
"Is she prettier than me?" :fuelfire: answer: "Aren't they all?"
"What are you thinking about?" :fuelfire: answer: "Nothing you would understand."
"Did you hear what I just said?" :fuelfire: answer: "Yes, but it didn't merit a reply."
"Does this dress make me look fat?" :fuelfire: answer: "Don't blame it on the dress."
:pokingpoop: :tongue:
There is a fine line between brave and stupid :lmao:
Nah, I've stomped on that line so many times it's just a blur now. BTW, every one of those answers has earnd "the look". :uhsure:
you are lucky that's all it earned you :lmao:
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personally, I think absolute silence is the only correct answers in some situations. :uhsure: :whatever:
"Is she prettier than me?" :fuelfire: answer: "Aren't they all?"
"What are you thinking about?" :fuelfire: answer: "Nothing you would understand."
"Did you hear what I just said?" :fuelfire: answer: "Yes, but it didn't merit a reply."
"Does this dress make me look fat?" :fuelfire: answer: "Don't blame it on the dress."
:pokingpoop: :tongue:
There is a fine line between brave and stupid :lmao:
Nah, I've stomped on that line so many times it's just a blur now. BTW, every one of those answers has earnd "the look". :uhsure:
you are lucky that's all it earned you :lmao:
I still have quick reflexes. :uhsure: