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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Miss Mia on April 07, 2008, 02:07:37 PM
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I go to make a phone call today and it shuts off. I turned it on and it won't do anything. It's on, the battery's charged, but it won't actually go to the screen so I can make calls.
:banghead:
So after work I have to go to AT&T and get a new phone. Grr.
On the upside, I've decided to do the pay as you go instead of signing a new contract. I really don't use my cell phone much and I'm paying like $60/month right now. I have a gazillion roll over minutes.
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My phone has done the same thing from time to time, MM, but my method for fixing it involves removing the battery, putting it back in, and it worked fine after that. But it sounds like your phone's problem was worse. :(
I'm going to let my contract run out and then get a pay as you go plan as well. I have one year to go.
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My phone has done the same thing from time to time, MM, but my method for fixing it involves removing the battery, putting it back in, and it worked fine after that. But it sounds like your phone's problem was worse. :(
I'm going to let my contract run out and then get a pay as you go plan as well. I have one year to go.
Yeah, I tried taking the battery out and I giggled the SIM card too.
Oh well, I told my dad and he said if it's not much he'll pay for a new phone. I found an LG for $40. I can always upgrade later. And really I'll be saving money each month by going on pay as you go.
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My phone has done the same thing from time to time, MM, but my method for fixing it involves removing the battery, putting it back in, and it worked fine after that. But it sounds like your phone's problem was worse. :(
I'm going to let my contract run out and then get a pay as you go plan as well. I have one year to go.
Yeah, I tried taking the battery out and I giggled the SIM card too.
Oh well, I told my dad and he said if it's not much he'll pay for a new phone. I found an LG for $40. I can always upgrade later. And really I'll be saving money each month by going on pay as you go.
LG phones are good, from what I hear. Inexpensive, but they work just as well as the more expensive ones. I may consider one too.
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My phone has done the same thing from time to time, MM, but my method for fixing it involves removing the battery, putting it back in, and it worked fine after that. But it sounds like your phone's problem was worse. :(
I'm going to let my contract run out and then get a pay as you go plan as well. I have one year to go.
Yeah, I tried taking the battery out and I giggled the SIM card too.
Oh well, I told my dad and he said if it's not much he'll pay for a new phone. I found an LG for $40. I can always upgrade later. And really I'll be saving money each month by going on pay as you go.
LG phones are good, from what I hear. Inexpensive, but they work just as well as the more expensive ones. I may consider one too.
I want that w580i, but I'll just wait, I don't want to spend that much right now...well my dad won't spend that much. LOL.
I'm sure the LG will work just fine.
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I go to make a phone call today and it shuts off. I turned it on and it won't do anything. It's on, the battery's charged, but it won't actually go to the screen so I can make calls.
:banghead:
So after work I have to go to AT&T and get a new phone. Grr.
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I wish everyone of those suckers would die. Can not tell you how many times I have almost gotten hit in my car where some dumb ass is running his or her mouth off.
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Leo Getz (Joe Peschi Lethal Weapon 4)
They **** you with the cell phones!
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I go to make a phone call today and it shuts off. I turned it on and it won't do anything. It's on, the battery's charged, but it won't actually go to the screen so I can make calls.
:banghead:
So after work I have to go to AT&T and get a new phone. Grr.
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I wish everyone of those suckers would die. Can not tell you how many times I have almost gotten hit in my car where some dumb ass is running his or her mouth off.
I've made it a habit NOT to use my cell-phone while driving, out of respect for others. Mine gets used mostly while I'm in NOT in the car. With all this traffic around where I live, anyone who uses a cell-phone while driving has a death wish. I've had family members get hit from behind because other people were too busy yakking on the phone to pay attention to the road. :banghead:
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I go to make a phone call today and it shuts off. I turned it on and it won't do anything. It's on, the battery's charged, but it won't actually go to the screen so I can make calls.
:banghead:
So after work I have to go to AT&T and get a new phone. Grr.
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I wish everyone of those suckers would die. Can not tell you how many times I have almost gotten hit in my car where some dumb ass is running his or her mouth off.
On the road, talking on a cell phone is equivalent to driving drunk. And that is true whether you are using a headset or not.
I don't talk on the cell unless I 100% know I am on a long (20+ mile) straight freeway. And even then I keep it short. People who use cell phones in congestion should be floggedin public -- their disdain and self-absorption is truly the definition of evil.
And I tell this to my colleagues who think their stupid calls are more important than my life.
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I don't use my phone in the car unless it's an emergency.
Okay, I picked up the cheapy LG. I'm so sad. :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
I don't have any of my fun ring tones. It just sucks. But I am on the pay as you go right now. Hmm, I'm thinking in a couple of months I'll sign on a contract again and get a better phone.
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Leo Getz (Joe Peschi Lethal Weapon 4)
They **** you with the cell phones!
That's gotta' hurt!
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My TI-83 stopped working today. :(
I hope the batteries are just dead.
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I'll wait for my public flogging. LOL. Seriously, my children fighting and whining in the backseat are more of a distraction then a brief phone call. I find I'm about as distracted as talking to someone in the passenger seat. I think the real problem with the cell phones is the fiddling with them..holding them to the ear(so one can't turn their neck appropriately), dialing #s, etc etc. That's where the distraction lies. Either way, this is an individual abilities thing. Some people are just very good drivers regardless and can multi-task on the road, others shouldn't even have other people in the car when they are driving since they are so prone to distraction or don't have multi-tasking skills in this area.
Oh and my latest phone--bought a couple months ago is the Treo 755P.
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I'll wait for my public flogging. LOL. Seriously, my children fighting and whining in the backseat are more of a distraction then a brief phone call. I find I'm about as distracted as talking to someone in the passenger seat. I think the real problem with the cell phones is the fiddling with them..holding them to the ear(so one can't turn their neck appropriately), dialing #s, etc etc. That's where the distraction lies. Either way, this is an individual abilities thing. Some people are just very good drivers regardless and can multi-task on the road, others shouldn't even have other people in the car when they are driving since they are so prone to distraction or don't have multi-tasking skills in this area.
Oh and my latest phone--bought a couple months ago is the Treo 755P.
No, it has to do with the wiring of the human brain. Using the phone is a distinct brain action that requires the same part of your brain that you use to drive. Things like changing CDs or radio stations, talking to the person next to you, yelling at the kids are all easily accommodated by your brain while you drive.
But when you get on the phone, different "circuits" kick in and you essentially are overloaded. Study after study (I can get them if you want) basically state that driving with a cell phone conversation is the same as driving drunk. The physical part of it (dialing, etc.) just takes you from drunk to really drunk.
It isn't a question of multi-tasking skills. It is a question of biology.
Now, before you take or make your next cell phone call in the car, especially with the kids, you need to ask yourself "would I make this drive drunk?" If the answer is no, then demur and defer.
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I'll wait for my public flogging. LOL. Seriously, my children fighting and whining in the backseat are more of a distraction then a brief phone call. I find I'm about as distracted as talking to someone in the passenger seat. I think the real problem with the cell phones is the fiddling with them..holding them to the ear(so one can't turn their neck appropriately), dialing #s, etc etc. That's where the distraction lies. Either way, this is an individual abilities thing. Some people are just very good drivers regardless and can multi-task on the road, others shouldn't even have other people in the car when they are driving since they are so prone to distraction or don't have multi-tasking skills in this area.
Oh and my latest phone--bought a couple months ago is the Treo 755P.
No, it has to do with the wiring of the human brain. Using the phone is a distinct brain action that requires the same part of your brain that you use to drive. Things like changing CDs or radio stations, talking to the person next to you, yelling at the kids are all easily accommodated by your brain while you drive.
But when you get on the phone, different "circuits" kick in and you essentially are overloaded. Study after study (I can get them if you want) basically state that driving with a cell phone conversation is the same as driving drunk. The physical part of it (dialing, etc.) just takes you from drunk to really drunk.
It isn't a question of multi-tasking skills. It is a question of biology.
Now, before you take or make your next cell phone call in the car, especially with the kids, you need to ask yourself "would I make this drive drunk?" If the answer is no, then demur and defer.
Really? Got any evidence of that? I've never heard that before. I'd like to read more about it.
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It was in the news a while back. Here's a link to the study... http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-6090342-7.html
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It was in the news a while back. Here's a link to the study... http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-6090342-7.html
Oh that part I can believe and have actually heard.
I meant the part about "Using the phone is a distinct brain action that requires the same part of your brain that you use to drive."
I should have been more clear with my question.
Sorry for the confusion.
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I'll wait for my public flogging. LOL. Seriously, my children fighting and whining in the backseat are more of a distraction then a brief phone call. I find I'm about as distracted as talking to someone in the passenger seat. I think the real problem with the cell phones is the fiddling with them..holding them to the ear(so one can't turn their neck appropriately), dialing #s, etc etc. That's where the distraction lies. Either way, this is an individual abilities thing. Some people are just very good drivers regardless and can multi-task on the road, others shouldn't even have other people in the car when they are driving since they are so prone to distraction or don't have multi-tasking skills in this area.
Oh and my latest phone--bought a couple months ago is the Treo 755P.
No, it has to do with the wiring of the human brain. Using the phone is a distinct brain action that requires the same part of your brain that you use to drive. Things like changing CDs or radio stations, talking to the person next to you, yelling at the kids are all easily accommodated by your brain while you drive.
But when you get on the phone, different "circuits" kick in and you essentially are overloaded. Study after study (I can get them if you want) basically state that driving with a cell phone conversation is the same as driving drunk. The physical part of it (dialing, etc.) just takes you from drunk to really drunk.
It isn't a question of multi-tasking skills. It is a question of biology.
Now, before you take or make your next cell phone call in the car, especially with the kids, you need to ask yourself "would I make this drive drunk?" If the answer is no, then demur and defer.
Nice emotionalism in the last sentence there, free. It's right up there with a hundred or two idiots laying down playing dead in front of Phillip Morris in the 'Truth' commercials. :lmao:
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Nice emotionalism in the last sentence there, free. It's right up there with a hundred or two idiots laying down playing dead in front of Phillip Morris in the 'Truth' commercials. :lmao:
Yeah, it was a little over the top. I guess I am very passionate on the subject since I have been almost run off the road and one time inches away from being hit in a crosswalk by cell phone users.
IMHO, people who talk and drive have complete disdain and contempt for the other drivers -- their silly-assed little conversation is more important than my life. And that I don't think is over the top.
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It was in the news a while back. Here's a link to the study... http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-6090342-7.html
Oh that part I can believe and have actually heard.
I meant the part about "Using the phone is a distinct brain action that requires the same part of your brain that you use to drive."
I should have been more clear with my question.
Sorry for the confusion.
I may have oversimplified, but here is a start: http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/08/06/010806hnecbrain.html
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Nice emotionalism in the last sentence there, free. It's right up there with a hundred or two idiots laying down playing dead in front of Phillip Morris in the 'Truth' commercials. :lmao:
Yeah, it was a little over the top. I guess I am very passionate on the subject since I have been almost run off the road and one time inches away from being hit in a crosswalk by cell phone users.
IMHO, people who talk and drive have complete disdain and contempt for the other drivers -- their silly-assed little conversation is more important than my life. And that I don't think is over the top.
Free? Do you ever change the radio station while driving? Ever eat while driving? both of these things will cause you to become distracted and not have your complete attention to driving.
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Nice emotionalism in the last sentence there, free. It's right up there with a hundred or two idiots laying down playing dead in front of Phillip Morris in the 'Truth' commercials. :lmao:
Yeah, it was a little over the top. I guess I am very passionate on the subject since I have been almost run off the road and one time inches away from being hit in a crosswalk by cell phone users.
IMHO, people who talk and drive have complete disdain and contempt for the other drivers -- their silly-assed little conversation is more important than my life. And that I don't think is over the top.
I still think you are over emotionalizing the topic. I'd like to know the driving records of everyone in that study. I think that matters. FWIW and hoping it does not jinx me, I have not been in an accident and I've been driving 20 years. SOME people should not talk and drive for the same reason some people should not drive 18 wheelers or fly planes. They simply do not have the capability for it, nor are they responsible enough drivers to understand when driving conditions warrant limited distractions. They are the same people that end up in ditches because they drive 50 mph in a blizzard. But, that is a personal responsibility issue and like ending up in a ditch before a blizzard, you get ticketed for it AFTER you have committed a driving offense caused by your inability to use judgment when driving, you don't ban everyone from driving in a blizzard.
At least tell me you aren't the type that has the misconception that people who use their phone with driving do it ALL the time and in ANY driving condition. That simply is not true.
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Nice emotionalism in the last sentence there, free. It's right up there with a hundred or two idiots laying down playing dead in front of Phillip Morris in the 'Truth' commercials. :lmao:
Yeah, it was a little over the top. I guess I am very passionate on the subject since I have been almost run off the road and one time inches away from being hit in a crosswalk by cell phone users.
IMHO, people who talk and drive have complete disdain and contempt for the other drivers -- their silly-assed little conversation is more important than my life. And that I don't think is over the top.
I still think you are over emotionalizing the topic. I'd like to know the driving records of everyone in that study. I think that matters. FWIW and hoping it does not jinx me, I have not been in an accident and I've been driving 20 years. SOME people should not talk and drive for the same reason some people should not drive 18 wheelers or fly planes. They simply do not have the capability for it, nor are they responsible enough drivers to understand when driving conditions warrant limited distractions. They are the same people that end up in ditches because they drive 50 mph in a blizzard. But, that is a personal responsibility issue and like ending up in a ditch before a blizzard, you get ticketed for it AFTER you have committed a driving offense caused by your inability to use judgment when driving, you don't ban everyone from driving in a blizzard.
At least tell me you aren't the type that has the misconception that people who use their phone with driving do it ALL the time and in ANY driving condition. That simply is not true.
Fair enough -- I am mostly ranting against people who get on the phone and talk nonstop before, during and after their driving trip (we all know the type). Although my hard and fast rule is to never accept cell phone calls while driving, I will allow myself to make a brief call if I know I am on a long, uninterrupted, straight stretch. But I limit it to a minute or so.
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I gotta go with FD on this one. It is a different type of distraction and not comparable to turning on the radio or talking with a passenger. I've tested the theory on myself and I do feel distracted in a different way when talking on a cell phone. That's why I don't it at all. In fact, I keep it on silent while driving. I lived a lot of years before cell phones. I cannot think of a single thing that needs to be communicated to me in the short amount of time I drive my car. I turn the ringer back on when I put my keys in my car and I check for messages then. We rely too heavily on electronics as it is. Call me a luddite!!! :-)
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I go to make a phone call today and it shuts off. I turned it on and it won't do anything. It's on, the battery's charged, but it won't actually go to the screen so I can make calls.
:banghead:
So after work I have to go to AT&T and get a new phone. Grr.
On the upside, I've decided to do the pay as you go instead of signing a new contract. I really don't use my cell phone much and I'm paying like $60/month right now. I have a gazillion roll over minutes.
you need to meet Loik.... Loik is da man. :-)
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Nice emotionalism in the last sentence there, free. It's right up there with a hundred or two idiots laying down playing dead in front of Phillip Morris in the 'Truth' commercials. :lmao:
Yeah, it was a little over the top. I guess I am very passionate on the subject since I have been almost run off the road and one time inches away from being hit in a crosswalk by cell phone users.
IMHO, people who talk and drive have complete disdain and contempt for the other drivers -- their silly-assed little conversation is more important than my life. And that I don't think is over the top.
Free? Do you ever change the radio station while driving? Ever eat while driving? both of these things will cause you to become distracted and not have your complete attention to driving.
oh good Lord no, he never takes his hands off the 10 and 2 positions :-)
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Nice emotionalism in the last sentence there, free. It's right up there with a hundred or two idiots laying down playing dead in front of Phillip Morris in the 'Truth' commercials. :lmao:
Yeah, it was a little over the top. I guess I am very passionate on the subject since I have been almost run off the road and one time inches away from being hit in a crosswalk by cell phone users.
IMHO, people who talk and drive have complete disdain and contempt for the other drivers -- their silly-assed little conversation is more important than my life. And that I don't think is over the top.
I still think you are over emotionalizing the topic. I'd like to know the driving records of everyone in that study. I think that matters. FWIW and hoping it does not jinx me, I have not been in an accident and I've been driving 20 years. SOME people should not talk and drive for the same reason some people should not drive 18 wheelers or fly planes. They simply do not have the capability for it, nor are they responsible enough drivers to understand when driving conditions warrant limited distractions. They are the same people that end up in ditches because they drive 50 mph in a blizzard. But, that is a personal responsibility issue and like ending up in a ditch before a blizzard, you get ticketed for it AFTER you have committed a driving offense caused by your inability to use judgment when driving, you don't ban everyone from driving in a blizzard.
At least tell me you aren't the type that has the misconception that people who use their phone with driving do it ALL the time and in ANY driving condition. That simply is not true.
Fair enough -- I am mostly ranting against people who get on the phone and talk nonstop before, during and after their driving trip (we all know the type). Although my hard and fast rule is to never accept cell phone calls while driving, I will allow myself to make a brief call if I know I am on a long, uninterrupted, straight stretch. But I limit it to a minute or so.
I once saw John Travolta's wife tearfully relaying a story that happened in her home with her child. Apparently chemicals in carpet cleaning almost caused her son some serious health issues.
Therefore, she wanted those carpet cleaning chemicals banned from the planet.
Oh, and raisins too.. she considers those little "chemical pellets" as well cause her son had a reaction to them.
Can each of us get every little pesky issue legislated since it happened to us and made us mad?
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Nice emotionalism in the last sentence there, free. It's right up there with a hundred or two idiots laying down playing dead in front of Phillip Morris in the 'Truth' commercials. :lmao:
Yeah, it was a little over the top. I guess I am very passionate on the subject since I have been almost run off the road and one time inches away from being hit in a crosswalk by cell phone users.
IMHO, people who talk and drive have complete disdain and contempt for the other drivers -- their silly-assed little conversation is more important than my life. And that I don't think is over the top.
Free? Do you ever change the radio station while driving? Ever eat while driving? both of these things will cause you to become distracted and not have your complete attention to driving.
You need to read my post for content. If so, you have your answer. And, FWIIW, I *never* eat in the car, but that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
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Nice emotionalism in the last sentence there, free. It's right up there with a hundred or two idiots laying down playing dead in front of Phillip Morris in the 'Truth' commercials. :lmao:
Yeah, it was a little over the top. I guess I am very passionate on the subject since I have been almost run off the road and one time inches away from being hit in a crosswalk by cell phone users.
IMHO, people who talk and drive have complete disdain and contempt for the other drivers -- their silly-assed little conversation is more important than my life. And that I don't think is over the top.
I still think you are over emotionalizing the topic. I'd like to know the driving records of everyone in that study. I think that matters. FWIW and hoping it does not jinx me, I have not been in an accident and I've been driving 20 years. SOME people should not talk and drive for the same reason some people should not drive 18 wheelers or fly planes. They simply do not have the capability for it, nor are they responsible enough drivers to understand when driving conditions warrant limited distractions. They are the same people that end up in ditches because they drive 50 mph in a blizzard. But, that is a personal responsibility issue and like ending up in a ditch before a blizzard, you get ticketed for it AFTER you have committed a driving offense caused by your inability to use judgment when driving, you don't ban everyone from driving in a blizzard.
At least tell me you aren't the type that has the misconception that people who use their phone with driving do it ALL the time and in ANY driving condition. That simply is not true.
Fair enough -- I am mostly ranting against people who get on the phone and talk nonstop before, during and after their driving trip (we all know the type). Although my hard and fast rule is to never accept cell phone calls while driving, I will allow myself to make a brief call if I know I am on a long, uninterrupted, straight stretch. But I limit it to a minute or so.
I once saw John Travolta's wife tearfully relaying a story that happened in her home with her child. Apparently chemicals in carpet cleaning almost caused her son some serious health issues.
Therefore, she wanted those carpet cleaning chemicals banned from the planet.
Oh, and raisins too.. she considers those little "chemical pellets" as well cause her son had a reaction to them.
Can each of us get every little pesky issue legislated since it happened to us and made us mad?
It isn't a question of mad, it is a question of dead. Like I said, studies show that using a cell phone while driving is the equivalent to driving drunk. Are you advocating driving drunk?
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well tell ya what.. when you and your scientist buddies can prove to us that American citizens are dying on the highways in the same numbers as the drunk driving accidents, then possibly.
as of yet, i dont think you have anything more than, "i almost got hit by one, so they are ALL bad!"
ive almost been hit by older people than any other part of the population .. can we legislate that no one over 50 drives? Cause, since it happened to me, I can broadbrush that to the entire population.
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well tell ya what.. when you and your scientist buddies can prove to us that American citizens are dying on the highways in the same numbers as the drunk driving accidents, then possibly.
as of yet, i dont think you have anything more than, "i almost got hit by one, so they are ALL bad!"
ive almost been hit by older people than any other part of the population .. can we legislate that no one over 50 drives? Cause, since it happened to me, I can broadbrush that to the entire population.
No that is the reason for my vehemence.
There is legislation already in many places that have older people pass more stringent tests to prove they can drive well. And it is younger people that are the worst drivers and there are also laws dealing with that specifically. As I said, we have laws against drunk driving. If, as the science says, using a cell phone is the same, then why is it NOT subject to similar laws?
And I see bad driving due to cell usage A LOT. At least every time I drive I have to deal with someone swerving, slowing, etc. and causing me to deal with them.
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I don't use my phone in the car unless it's an emergency.
Okay, I picked up the cheapy LG. I'm so sad. :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
I don't have any of my fun ring tones. It just sucks. But I am on the pay as you go right now. Hmm, I'm thinking in a couple of months I'll sign on a contract again and get a better phone.
I'm a bit late into this thread and I'm sorry for that Mia. As long as you have an AT&T sim card then you can use it in any AT&T sim card compatible phone. I did the Go Phone for several years and have a pile of phones I used. I'd pick them up at garage sales or for cheap on ebay. I started with a free starter Nokia and my last one was an eBay Razor.
Metro PCS came to my area with their unlimited voice/data/text no contract system and I switched. The 3 of us are on the family plan for <130 a month, outrageous taxes included.
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well tell ya what.. when you and your scientist buddies can prove to us that American citizens are dying on the highways in the same numbers as the drunk driving accidents, then possibly.
as of yet, i dont think you have anything more than, "i almost got hit by one, so they are ALL bad!"
ive almost been hit by older people than any other part of the population .. can we legislate that no one over 50 drives? Cause, since it happened to me, I can broadbrush that to the entire population.
No that is the reason for my vehemence.
There is legislation already in many places that have older people pass more stringent tests to prove they can drive well. And it is younger people that are the worst drivers and there are also laws dealing with that specifically. As I said, we have laws against drunk driving. If, as the science says, using a cell phone is the same, then why is it NOT subject to similar laws?
And I see bad driving due to cell usage A LOT. At least every time I drive I have to deal with someone swerving, slowing, etc. and causing me to deal with them.
well, i dont. so who is right?
does science have actual statistics that back up their claims that its 'as bad' as driving drunk? cause if they dont, maybe that's why the public isnt on board with it yet.
although, the nanny state legislators arent even going to wait for the actual numbers, they will just listen to people like you and take them away from everyone and make it a law. watch out for those unintended consequences that turn into laws.
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Lauri,
I thought of free this morning as I sat behind a driver going 10 mph less then the speed limit, swerving a bit, etc...what was she doing? brushing her friggin hair... :lmao: I've seen plenty of people too using cells and they drive just fine. I've seen ones who don't drive great too. My neighborhood is small enough I've seen these individuals a few times and EVERYTIME they are distracted, they drive shitty. As I said earlier in the thread, one has to have a certain skill level to multi-task in that way, but currently we don't give driving tests to determine if someone can drink coffee and drive, talk to someone in the seat next to them and drive, or yell at their children and drive...cell phone usage falls in those categories imo.
As for the 'scientific study', I have already asked what was the driving records of these individuals prior to the study. I find that very curious as a driver for 20 years now with no accidents, 2 tickets(back in my early 20's--many years ago and not for driving distracted btw), and who uses the cell phone occasionally when driving. I'd like to know if all those participants have similar driving records and abilities.
Again, another microlegislative issue which a free society should not tolerate. If you screw up because you are on the phone, you face the consequences...period. It's no different then fighting with your spouse in the car and you are distracted and cause an accident...an accident is an accident is an accident. Lobbying a phone up there with booze is simply absurd. What next? Kids are abused ala cigarette smoking if you use your cell phone in the house while they are around? :mental:
I know I"m being ridiculous, but since we've already went in that direction...I figure I have license :-) :hyper:
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Well here's some food for thought -
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/research/wireless/
Read the summary for the highlights http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/research/wireless/#rep
Hand held cell phone use while driving is banned in a lot of places. As of March 2008 four states -- Connecticut, New Jersey, New York and Utah -- plus the District of Columbia had laws on the books banning the use of hand-held cell phones while driving. Similar laws in California and Washington State go into effect in July 2008. Except for Utah and Washington State, the laws are all "primary enforcement," meaning a motorist may be ticketed for using a hand-held cell phone while driving without any other traffic offense taking place.
http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/insurance/cellphones/
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The available evidence is adequate to support the conclusion that the answer to this question is "Yes," at least in isolated cases. The conclusion appears reasonably plausible, particularly in light of the trends in the data, the growing complexity of the technology, and the inherent distraction potential of using such devices from a moving vehicle. What remains unknown is the relative contribution of cellular phone use, per se, and charactertistics of the involved drivers (e.g., less capacity to time-share attention between cellular telephone use and driving tasks, greater propensity for risk taking, fatigue).
Again, driving record factors in here under characteristics. How many people involved in crashes like this have been cited before for driving recklessly under other circumstances? I'm betting a few. Or have received tickets for running lights or something while on the phone(showing they have an inability to multi-task while driving?)?
And I'll reiterate, there are already penalties for accidents no matter what the distraction. If someone misjudges their ability or focus and gets in an accident they should face the same penalty as anyone else who misjudges ability and focus ie those who drive when they are tired and get in an accident, those who drive too fast in hazardous conditions, those who take turns too fast, etc. The reason for it only figures in when determining responsibility and cause, it should not be isolated for legislation as a whole. But I think at this point, none of us on either side are convincing the other. :hyper:
The drunk driving thing I'll put aside. The only, only condition I see that even comes close are certain medical conditions and when someone is tired and has their judgement impaired. Everything else I would not qualify under impaired judgment.
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well tell ya what.. when you and your scientist buddies can prove to us that American citizens are dying on the highways in the same numbers as the drunk driving accidents, then possibly.
as of yet, i dont think you have anything more than, "i almost got hit by one, so they are ALL bad!"
ive almost been hit by older people than any other part of the population .. can we legislate that no one over 50 drives? Cause, since it happened to me, I can broadbrush that to the entire population.
No that is the reason for my vehemence.
There is legislation already in many places that have older people pass more stringent tests to prove they can drive well. And it is younger people that are the worst drivers and there are also laws dealing with that specifically. As I said, we have laws against drunk driving. If, as the science says, using a cell phone is the same, then why is it NOT subject to similar laws?
And I see bad driving due to cell usage A LOT. At least every time I drive I have to deal with someone swerving, slowing, etc. and causing me to deal with them.
well, i dont. so who is right?
does science have actual statistics that back up their claims that its 'as bad' as driving drunk? cause if they dont, maybe that's why the public isnt on board with it yet.
although, the nanny state legislators arent even going to wait for the actual numbers, they will just listen to people like you and take them away from everyone and make it a law. watch out for those unintended consequences that turn into laws.
I posted the article. You have yet to post one that counters the information provided.
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Nice emotionalism in the last sentence there, free. It's right up there with a hundred or two idiots laying down playing dead in front of Phillip Morris in the 'Truth' commercials. :lmao:
Yeah, it was a little over the top. I guess I am very passionate on the subject since I have been almost run off the road and one time inches away from being hit in a crosswalk by cell phone users.
IMHO, people who talk and drive have complete disdain and contempt for the other drivers -- their silly-assed little conversation is more important than my life. And that I don't think is over the top.
Free? Do you ever change the radio station while driving? Ever eat while driving? both of these things will cause you to become distracted and not have your complete attention to driving.
You need to read my post for content. If so, you have your answer. And, FWIIW, I *never* eat in the car, but that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
It has everyhting to do with the subject at hand distracted driving is distracted driving. When these "scientists" can prove that talking on a cell phone while driving raises your blood alcohol content then I will whole heartedly agree with you that it is tantamount to drunk driving.
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Nice emotionalism in the last sentence there, free. It's right up there with a hundred or two idiots laying down playing dead in front of Phillip Morris in the 'Truth' commercials. :lmao:
Yeah, it was a little over the top. I guess I am very passionate on the subject since I have been almost run off the road and one time inches away from being hit in a crosswalk by cell phone users.
IMHO, people who talk and drive have complete disdain and contempt for the other drivers -- their silly-assed little conversation is more important than my life. And that I don't think is over the top.
Free? Do you ever change the radio station while driving? Ever eat while driving? both of these things will cause you to become distracted and not have your complete attention to driving.
You need to read my post for content. If so, you have your answer. And, FWIIW, I *never* eat in the car, but that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
It has everyhting to do with the subject at hand distracted driving is distracted driving. When these "scientists" can prove that talking on a cell phone while driving raises your blood alcohol content then I will whole heartedly agree with you that it is tantamount to drunk driving.
Again, please read for content.
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Nice emotionalism in the last sentence there, free. It's right up there with a hundred or two idiots laying down playing dead in front of Phillip Morris in the 'Truth' commercials. :lmao:
Yeah, it was a little over the top. I guess I am very passionate on the subject since I have been almost run off the road and one time inches away from being hit in a crosswalk by cell phone users.
IMHO, people who talk and drive have complete disdain and contempt for the other drivers -- their silly-assed little conversation is more important than my life. And that I don't think is over the top.
Free? Do you ever change the radio station while driving? Ever eat while driving? both of these things will cause you to become distracted and not have your complete attention to driving.
You need to read my post for content. If so, you have your answer. And, FWIIW, I *never* eat in the car, but that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
It has everyhting to do with the subject at hand distracted driving is distracted driving. When these "scientists" can prove that talking on a cell phone while driving raises your blood alcohol content then I will whole heartedly agree with you that it is tantamount to drunk driving.
Again, please read for content.
I did and I don't buy it.I don't consider it impaired driving, a distraction at best. This kind of reeks of special interest to me.
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Nice emotionalism in the last sentence there, free. It's right up there with a hundred or two idiots laying down playing dead in front of Phillip Morris in the 'Truth' commercials. :lmao:
Yeah, it was a little over the top. I guess I am very passionate on the subject since I have been almost run off the road and one time inches away from being hit in a crosswalk by cell phone users.
IMHO, people who talk and drive have complete disdain and contempt for the other drivers -- their silly-assed little conversation is more important than my life. And that I don't think is over the top.
Free? Do you ever change the radio station while driving? Ever eat while driving? both of these things will cause you to become distracted and not have your complete attention to driving.
You need to read my post for content. If so, you have your answer. And, FWIIW, I *never* eat in the car, but that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
It has everyhting to do with the subject at hand distracted driving is distracted driving. When these "scientists" can prove that talking on a cell phone while driving raises your blood alcohol content then I will whole heartedly agree with you that it is tantamount to drunk driving.
They won't. Cell phone usage is the cause du jour and save for free, apparently, nothing else gets picked on precisely because most people who have issue with cell phone usage in the car do other distracting things like put on makeup, eat, drink coffee, chat with friends in the car, flip radio stations, yell at their kids, put a new DVD in for the children, look at their gps system, etc. Not to mention those are much harder to prove. If you get in a crash and you have an open cell hone on the floor...cops can make assumptions about the reason. Much harder to prove that someone was distracted by arguing with their spouse or even eating when there isn't really any physical way to prove it. All crashes are caused by distractions or the more serious impairments so why ONE DISTRACTION (cell phone use) is legislated against but not others...not a very consistent opinion, it really isn't and that doesn't even begin to express the issues with MICRO legislating in a free society which ALL conservatives should concern themselves with.
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I did and I don't buy it.I don't consider it impaired driving, a distraction at best. This kind of reeks of special interest to me.
Ah, well that is a devastating blow. "I don't buy it." Wow, that is a knife through the heart of my contention.
What special interest would this serve? It isn't like they can get money from this, other than a few bucks for the research itself. The biggest special interests are AGAINST this type of research.
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Lauri,
I thought of free this morning as I sat behind a driver going 10 mph less then the speed limit, swerving a bit, etc...what was she doing? brushing her friggin hair... :lmao: I've seen plenty of people too using cells and they drive just fine. I've seen ones who don't drive great too. My neighborhood is small enough I've seen these individuals a few times and EVERYTIME they are distracted, they drive shitty. As I said earlier in the thread, one has to have a certain skill level to multi-task in that way, but currently we don't give driving tests to determine if someone can drink coffee and drive, talk to someone in the seat next to them and drive, or yell at their children and drive...cell phone usage falls in those categories imo.
As for the 'scientific study', I have already asked what was the driving records of these individuals prior to the study. I find that very curious as a driver for 20 years now with no accidents, 2 tickets(back in my early 20's--many years ago and not for driving distracted btw), and who uses the cell phone occasionally when driving. I'd like to know if all those participants have similar driving records and abilities.
Again, another microlegislative issue which a free society should not tolerate. If you screw up because you are on the phone, you face the consequences...period. It's no different then fighting with your spouse in the car and you are distracted and cause an accident...an accident is an accident is an accident. Lobbying a phone up there with booze is simply absurd. What next? Kids are abused ala cigarette smoking if you use your cell phone in the house while they are around? :mental:
I know I"m being ridiculous, but since we've already went in that direction...I figure I have license :-) :hyper:
actually, you arent being ridiculous at all! seat belt laws started out as a 'suggestion' from the govt... a 'this will protect you and your family more' kind of thing.
then we started getting tickets for not wearing them.
i agree that seat belts save lives, absolutely. but why does the state get to go from a suggestion to a law? and why do state busses carrying school children get exempt but we get ticketed??
our state is in the process of trying to figure out how to enforce no cell phones while driving.. so in addition to eveything else a cop has to look for, cell phones was just added to his list and for most of us, we do just fine and arent causing accidents but we'll get ticketed anyway because it "might' happen ...
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Well here's some food for thought -
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/research/wireless/
Read the summary for the highlights http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/research/wireless/#rep
Hand held cell phone use while driving is banned in a lot of places. As of March 2008 four states -- Connecticut, New Jersey, New York and Utah -- plus the District of Columbia had laws on the books banning the use of hand-held cell phones while driving. Similar laws in California and Washington State go into effect in July 2008. Except for Utah and Washington State, the laws are all "primary enforcement," meaning a motorist may be ticketed for using a hand-held cell phone while driving without any other traffic offense taking place.
http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/insurance/cellphones/
crud! didnt read the other responses before posting.... so yeah, we are in that process already.
the fire department has outlawed christmas trees and small grills on apartment balconies. i figure down the line, Wa. State will make it illegal to use chimenia's or grills at all.. :banghead:
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Nice emotionalism in the last sentence there, free. It's right up there with a hundred or two idiots laying down playing dead in front of Phillip Morris in the 'Truth' commercials. :lmao:
Yeah, it was a little over the top. I guess I am very passionate on the subject since I have been almost run off the road and one time inches away from being hit in a crosswalk by cell phone users.
IMHO, people who talk and drive have complete disdain and contempt for the other drivers -- their silly-assed little conversation is more important than my life. And that I don't think is over the top.
Free? Do you ever change the radio station while driving? Ever eat while driving? both of these things will cause you to become distracted and not have your complete attention to driving.
You need to read my post for content. If so, you have your answer. And, FWIIW, I *never* eat in the car, but that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
It has everyhting to do with the subject at hand distracted driving is distracted driving. When these "scientists" can prove that talking on a cell phone while driving raises your blood alcohol content then I will whole heartedly agree with you that it is tantamount to drunk driving.
Again, please read for content.
I did and I don't buy it.I don't consider it impaired driving, a distraction at best. This kind of reeks of special interest to me.
my screaming toddler made me want to drink... think the state will buy that? :-)
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Lauri,
I thought of free this morning as I sat behind a driver going 10 mph less then the speed limit, swerving a bit, etc...what was she doing? brushing her friggin hair... :lmao: I've seen plenty of people too using cells and they drive just fine. I've seen ones who don't drive great too. My neighborhood is small enough I've seen these individuals a few times and EVERYTIME they are distracted, they drive shitty. As I said earlier in the thread, one has to have a certain skill level to multi-task in that way, but currently we don't give driving tests to determine if someone can drink coffee and drive, talk to someone in the seat next to them and drive, or yell at their children and drive...cell phone usage falls in those categories imo.
As for the 'scientific study', I have already asked what was the driving records of these individuals prior to the study. I find that very curious as a driver for 20 years now with no accidents, 2 tickets(back in my early 20's--many years ago and not for driving distracted btw), and who uses the cell phone occasionally when driving. I'd like to know if all those participants have similar driving records and abilities.
Again, another microlegislative issue which a free society should not tolerate. If you screw up because you are on the phone, you face the consequences...period. It's no different then fighting with your spouse in the car and you are distracted and cause an accident...an accident is an accident is an accident. Lobbying a phone up there with booze is simply absurd. What next? Kids are abused ala cigarette smoking if you use your cell phone in the house while they are around? :mental:
I know I"m being ridiculous, but since we've already went in that direction...I figure I have license :-) :hyper:
actually, you arent being ridiculous at all! seat belt laws started out as a 'suggestion' from the govt... a 'this will protect you and your family more' kind of thing.
then we started getting tickets for not wearing them.
i agree that seat belts save lives, absolutely. but why does the state get to go from a suggestion to a law? and why do state busses carrying school children get exempt but we get ticketed??
our state is in the process of trying to figure out how to enforce no cell phones while driving.. so in addition to eveything else a cop has to look for, cell phones was just added to his list and for most of us, we do just fine and arent causing accidents but we'll get ticketed anyway because it "might' happen ...
I think the problem is that it isn't "might" -- it is "more likely than not."
But if you are against mandated seat belts then at least I understand your vehemence on the subject. You're just really libertarian, even when safety is at stake. I suppose you are against mandated motorcycle helmets, too.
Not an indictment, just an observation.
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Arghhh! Wrong forum! I thought I'd set it to GD, but it changed. :thatsright:
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Arghhh! Wrong forum! I thought I'd set it to GD, but it changed. :thatsright:
I am getting dizzy here. Well, I have taken my seatbelt off and have cell phone on -- let's go!
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I moved it for you ACC.
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Thanks, Dixie.
I apologize, Free. :thatsright:
It's Friday night, I'm pretty much brain-dead right now. :lmao:
Now, back to the debate. :popcorn:
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Thanks, Dixie.
I apologize, Free. :thatsright:
It's Friday night, I'm pretty much brain-dead right now. :lmao:
Now, back to the debate. :popcorn:
Just glad to have the chance to make a joke about the topic... ;)
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You know as much as I detest nanny statism, I detest distracted drivers even more. And it's not always someone with a phone glued to their head either. After living here for a while now, I can totally understand why my car insurance policy (an 18 year old policy at that) went up 32% just because of our new zip code. I've seen people eating, putting on makeup, using a cell phone, reading (wtf!!!), leaning over to do something in the passenger seat, turning around to get something out of the backseat, etc...I could go on and on. These people scare me!!! I'm beginning to think that they are a plot to make people stop using so much oil/gas.
Okay, you may resume! :-)
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Lauri,
I thought of free this morning as I sat behind a driver going 10 mph less then the speed limit, swerving a bit, etc...what was she doing? brushing her friggin hair... :lmao: I've seen plenty of people too using cells and they drive just fine. I've seen ones who don't drive great too. My neighborhood is small enough I've seen these individuals a few times and EVERYTIME they are distracted, they drive shitty. As I said earlier in the thread, one has to have a certain skill level to multi-task in that way, but currently we don't give driving tests to determine if someone can drink coffee and drive, talk to someone in the seat next to them and drive, or yell at their children and drive...cell phone usage falls in those categories imo.
As for the 'scientific study', I have already asked what was the driving records of these individuals prior to the study. I find that very curious as a driver for 20 years now with no accidents, 2 tickets(back in my early 20's--many years ago and not for driving distracted btw), and who uses the cell phone occasionally when driving. I'd like to know if all those participants have similar driving records and abilities.
Again, another microlegislative issue which a free society should not tolerate. If you screw up because you are on the phone, you face the consequences...period. It's no different then fighting with your spouse in the car and you are distracted and cause an accident...an accident is an accident is an accident. Lobbying a phone up there with booze is simply absurd. What next? Kids are abused ala cigarette smoking if you use your cell phone in the house while they are around? :mental:
I know I"m being ridiculous, but since we've already went in that direction...I figure I have license :-) :hyper:
actually, you arent being ridiculous at all! seat belt laws started out as a 'suggestion' from the govt... a 'this will protect you and your family more' kind of thing.
then we started getting tickets for not wearing them.
i agree that seat belts save lives, absolutely. but why does the state get to go from a suggestion to a law? and why do state busses carrying school children get exempt but we get ticketed??
our state is in the process of trying to figure out how to enforce no cell phones while driving.. so in addition to eveything else a cop has to look for, cell phones was just added to his list and for most of us, we do just fine and arent causing accidents but we'll get ticketed anyway because it "might' happen ...
I think the problem is that it isn't "might" -- it is "more likely than not."
But if you are against mandated seat belts then at least I understand your vehemence on the subject. You're just really libertarian, even when safety is at stake. I suppose you are against mandated motorcycle helmets, too.
Not an indictment, just an observation.
in the quote of mine that you quoted, i stated, "I agree that seat belts save lives" <--- that is not me being libertarian. that is me being against a suggestion turning into a law with a hefty fine.
and no, i am not against safety devices in any form.
but as jettyangel said so eloquently above, if the federal govt wants to make ANY distraction in our cars illegal, then we'd better be prepared to lose our Ipods, stereos, coca colas, food... and drive by ourselves alone, with no kids... ever.
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You know as much as I detest nanny statism, I detest distracted drivers even more. And it's not always someone with a phone glued to their head either. After living here for a while now, I can totally understand why my car insurance policy (an 18 year old policy at that) went up 32% just because of our new zip code. I've seen people eating, putting on makeup, using a cell phone, reading (wtf!!!), leaning over to do something in the passenger seat, turning around to get something out of the backseat, etc...I could go on and on. These people scare me!!! I'm beginning to think that they are a plot to make people stop using so much oil/gas.
Okay, you may resume! :-)
ok, let me stop here to agree with both you and Freedumb: those things are terrible to do while driving (i myself hate my cell phone and rarely turn it on, feel better? :-)) but how exactly do you legislate and enforce people not getting distracted?
and again, where are the statistics showing that people on cell phones kill as many other people as drunk drivers?
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You know as much as I detest nanny statism, I detest distracted drivers even more. And it's not always someone with a phone glued to their head either. After living here for a while now, I can totally understand why my car insurance policy (an 18 year old policy at that) went up 32% just because of our new zip code. I've seen people eating, putting on makeup, using a cell phone, reading (wtf!!!), leaning over to do something in the passenger seat, turning around to get something out of the backseat, etc...I could go on and on. These people scare me!!! I'm beginning to think that they are a plot to make people stop using so much oil/gas.
Okay, you may resume! :-)
ok, let me stop here to agree with both you and Freedumb: those things are terrible to do while driving (i myself hate my cell phone and rarely turn it on, feel better? :-)) but how exactly do you legislate and enforce people not getting distracted?
and again, where are the statistics showing that people on cell phones kill as many other people as drunk drivers?
anyone who agrees with Freedumb must be wrong!
:rofl:
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The available evidence is adequate to support the conclusion that the answer to this question is "Yes," at least in isolated cases. The conclusion appears reasonably plausible, particularly in light of the trends in the data, the growing complexity of the technology, and the inherent distraction potential of using such devices from a moving vehicle. What remains unknown is the relative contribution of cellular phone use, per se, and charactertistics of the involved drivers (e.g., less capacity to time-share attention between cellular telephone use and driving tasks, greater propensity for risk taking, fatigue).
Again, driving record factors in here under characteristics. How many people involved in crashes like this have been cited before for driving recklessly under other circumstances? I'm betting a few. Or have received tickets for running lights or something while on the phone(showing they have an inability to multi-task while driving?)?
And I'll reiterate, there are already penalties for accidents no matter what the distraction. If someone misjudges their ability or focus and gets in an accident they should face the same penalty as anyone else who misjudges ability and focus ie those who drive when they are tired and get in an accident, those who drive too fast in hazardous conditions, those who take turns too fast, etc. The reason for it only figures in when determining responsibility and cause, it should not be isolated for legislation as a whole. But I think at this point, none of us on either side are convincing the other. :hyper:
Since experience is the best teacher, I will share mine. I was T-boned in my sports car by a lady who ran a stop sign while talking on her cell phone. Good thing she hit me behind my door because her SUV would have mashed in the door and caused serious damage to my head and shoulders if she would have creamed my door head on. As it was I had neck and shoulder pain for about 6 months. I have also had close encounters in parking lots where these dummies are not paying attention and I have had to blow my horn on many occasions so that they will not run into me. Don't have any facts, figures or news stories which you probably would not believe anyway but I do have many instances where these idiots on cell phones have almost hit me according to my own observations.
My best friend at work was rear ended by a garbage truck. The guy was running his mouth off on a cell phone. That happened over 4 years ago; she had her neck operated on but she is afraid to have surgery on her back and is in constant pain.
In conclusion, I want the damn things banned because it only takes one nitwit to seriously injure or kill me while talking on one of those contraptions. I also don't understand the reasoning behind the utter nonsense that's it is a emergency and I can not wait to call someone back. Stopping and doing your yakking on the side of the road would be a better alternative and then your multi-tasking will not have to kick in.
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Drivers who use cell phone while driving are annoying because in my experience they hold up traffic or drive slower than normal. I find that to be really annoying. Just pull into a parking lot or side part of a freeway and use it. Tell the truth I fell cell phone callers more annoying at a quiet place. I have had no problems with cell phones at movie theaters. They are good about it. It would be cool to get a cell phone eavesdropping device and hear what they are calling and post it on the Internet for everyone to hear. :evillaugh:
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Drivers who use cell phone while driving are annoying because in my experience they hold up traffic or drive slower than normal. I find that to be really annoying. Just pull into a parking lot or side part of a freeway and use it. Tell the truth I fell cell phone callers more annoying at a quiet place. I have had no problems with cell phones at movie theaters. They are good about it. It would be cool to get a cell phone eavesdropping device and hear what they are calling and post it on the Internet for everyone to hear. :evillaugh:
I have another beef about those that have their ears glued to them and not paying attention to where they are going and that is in 9 out of 10 cases they do not signal when they make a left or right turn. That is inconsiderate and rude if you ask me and also may cause a rear end accident. Same deal with those that have to smoke, drink and eat while driving. These people are always in a indulgence rush to do these things and then crawl along holding up traffic because they are usually driving below the speed limits. I guess those are the ones that are not too good at multi-tasking.
I wanted to add that the lady that hit me and ran a stop sign while running her mouth off on her cell phone was NOT ticked by the cop.
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in the quote of mine that you quoted, i stated, "I agree that seat belts save lives" <--- that is not me being libertarian. that is me being against a suggestion turning into a law with a hefty fine.
and no, i am not against safety devices in any form.
but as jettyangel said so eloquently above, if the federal govt wants to make ANY distraction in our cars illegal, then we'd better be prepared to lose our Ipods, stereos, coca colas, food... and drive by ourselves alone, with no kids... ever.
This isn't a question of distraction -- and actually, driving while distracted is already against the law. If you reach back to grab your kid in the back seat and a cop sees it, you will get ticketed (in most jurisdictions).
As I said way upthread, this is a question of biology. You can eat, change the radio station, sing along with the ipod, etc. and still keep plenty of attention on your driving -- you are using a different part of your brain than the one you use for driving. When you are on the cell phone, you are using the same part of the brain as you use for driving and overload it. And the cell phone conversation takes precedence, since it is immediate and interactive.
That is why cell phones get special attention. And, unless you have successfully rewired your brain you (and people in general) can't overcome it by trying hard.
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Okay, I should have mentioned earlier, I base my opinion on my professional experience in law enforcement. I can't quote you hard data or link to any statistics, but I can tell you that cell phone usage effects the way people drive and is a factor in accidents. Now, to be fair, I couldn't tell you if some of these accidents would have happened without a cell phone being used. There are people who are bad drivers regardless. The report I linked to earlier basically came to the same conclusion.
Here's another study - http://www.cmu.edu/news/archive/2008/March/march5_drivingwhilelistening.shtml
Again, let me reiterate, I'm loathe to support nannystatism and I have libertarian streak. But, I also think perhaps more studies need to be done. (I honestly don't know how many have been done). I know people like to think that they are responsible and use their cell phone wisely while driving, and I'm sure that's true for a lot of people. But not everyone is so cautious and the brain imaging done supports the notion that you're taxed in a different way that diminishes your focus. I know the comparison to drunk driving is hard for some people to swallow because that's crime that is commonly accepted as very stupid and only an idiot would do it. Don't let that ruffle your feathers. I don't think anyone is saying a cell phone user is on par with a drunk driver in terms of morality and judgement or even criminality. The studies mentioned have just used drunk driving as an analogy because of the physical impairment.
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My phone has done the same thing from time to time, MM, but my method for fixing it involves removing the battery, putting it back in, and it worked fine after that. But it sounds like your phone's problem was worse. :(
I'm going to let my contract run out and then get a pay as you go plan as well. I have one year to go.
Yeah, I tried taking the battery out and I giggled the SIM card too.
Oh well, I told my dad and he said if it's not much he'll pay for a new phone. I found an LG for $40. I can always upgrade later. And really I'll be saving money each month by going on pay as you go.
LG phones are good, from what I hear. Inexpensive, but they work just as well as the more expensive ones. I may consider one too.
I want that w580i, but I'll just wait, I don't want to spend that much right now...well my dad won't spend that much. LOL.
I'm sure the LG will work just fine.
The w580i is the one I have...Christmas present from my husband. I needed a new cell phone and had an ipod on my list so he got me both in one (at the time AT&T was running a special so he actually paid less than if he'd just bought the ipod). I put a 4gig memory card in it and I've yet to be able to fill it up. There's also free software you can download that converts CD's to mp3 and does so much faster than the programs you have to buy. I just love it and use it for everything...alarm clock, calendar...the thing even tracks my workouts and estimates calories burned...has a step counter for running and walking.
Haven't set up my email but actually downloaded OperaMini to surf the net when I'm riding in the car (I get bored easily). I'm still trying to figure out all the settings for that...it's a little irritating because everytime I want to go to a new page a box pops up and asks if it has permission to access the web (that's pretty obvious since I pushed the "go" button). It boggles my mind all the things they can put on one of these things. Still can't get into the blue tooth thing...the sound quality, especially when listening to music, sucks. Comes with a pretty decent ear bud set.
Cindie
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Another one of my observations about cell phone users in public places like Walleymart buying groceries is that they have one hand on the shopping cart and the other with the cell phone stuck in their ear yakking away driving the cart down the middle of aisle and not paying attention. You can shop in any Walleymart in the world for 30 minutes and see this cr@p. Now you know that these dummies can not drive worth a whoot if they can not concentrate on driving a buggy wagon; they are a danger to themselves and others on the road.
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^I hate that! I can't figure out the for the life of me what's so blasted important that it cannot wait until you get home from Wallyworld! These people speak loud enough for the whole store to hear about "Johnny told me he wanted to see other people, "girl, did you see what she was wearing last night??", etc...nothing that matters! Just once I'd like to overhear someone say, 'Oh my God! I'm leaving right now! I'll meet you at the hospital!". :-)
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^I hate that! I can't figure out the for the life of me what's so blasted important that it cannot wait until you get home from Wallyworld! These people speak loud enough for the whole store to hear about "Johnny told me he wanted to see other people, "girl, did you see what she was wearing last night??", etc...nothing that matters! Just once I'd like to overhear someone say, 'Oh my God! I'm leaving right now! I'll meet you at the hospital!". :-)
Ah, I see you are starting to see my point. What silly assed conversation is someone having that trumps my right to life? Even business discussions can wait.
What did people do before they had cell phones? I guess their lives ended or something.
In a real emergency, hell yes use your cell. But to talk about what Marylin was wearing today can wait until you get home.
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I guess they are like we all were as teens. Well at least some of us girls. My mother used to tease me and say that I would shrivel up and die if I couldn't talk on the phone. Granted, it was a phone on the kitchen wall with a cord! LOL! People are so used to cell phones now. I can remember when my dad got one of the first ones that looked like a cinder block and was super expensive. It was surreal. Now, they are throw away plastic things that everyone owns.
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I want that w580i, but I'll just wait, I don't want to spend that much right now...well my dad won't spend that much. LOL.
I'm sure the LG will work just fine.
The w580i is the one I have...Christmas present from my husband. I needed a new cell phone and had an ipod on my list so he got me both in one (at the time AT&T was running a special so he actually paid less than if he'd just bought the ipod). I put a 4gig memory card in it and I've yet to be able to fill it up. There's also free software you can download that converts CD's to mp3 and does so much faster than the programs you have to buy. I just love it and use it for everything...alarm clock, calendar...the thing even tracks my workouts and estimates calories burned...has a step counter for running and walking.
Haven't set up my email but actually downloaded OperaMini to surf the net when I'm riding in the car (I get bored easily). I'm still trying to figure out all the settings for that...it's a little irritating because everytime I want to go to a new page a box pops up and asks if it has permission to access the web (that's pretty obvious since I pushed the "go" button). It boggles my mind all the things they can put on one of these things. Still can't get into the blue tooth thing...the sound quality, especially when listening to music, sucks. Comes with a pretty decent ear bud set.
Cindie
Yeah I loved my old phone. I had personalized all these ring tones. I get the song and then cut it to the spot and the you can upload it to the phone. *sigh* I miss my old phone.
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I ordered a new blackberry curve yesterday.
I will let you know how it checks out.
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I go to make a phone call today and it shuts off. I turned it on and it won't do anything. It's on, the battery's charged, but it won't actually go to the screen so I can make calls.
:banghead:
So after work I have to go to AT&T and get a new phone. Grr.
On the upside, I've decided to do the pay as you go instead of signing a new contract. I really don't use my cell phone much and I'm paying like $60/month right now. I have a gazillion roll over minutes.
My phone system never turns off, never needs batteries, never needs recharging:
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^I hate that! I can't figure out the for the life of me what's so blasted important that it cannot wait until you get home from Wallyworld! These people speak loud enough for the whole store to hear about "Johnny told me he wanted to see other people, "girl, did you see what she was wearing last night??", etc...nothing that matters! Just once I'd like to overhear someone say, 'Oh my God! I'm leaving right now! I'll meet you at the hospital!". :-)
The only time I use my cell while shopping is to call my wife and ask "hey do we need...(product in question). Or she will call and say, "hey I forgot to put such and such on the list please buy it."
Such calls last about 30 seconds.
I don't use my cell phone while driving. If it rings I'll aswer it only long enough to tell them I'll call them back. If it is an urgent call, I pull over.
But that is me. I disagree with legislation banning them while driving. We already have too much government in our lives as it is.
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^I hate that! I can't figure out the for the life of me what's so blasted important that it cannot wait until you get home from Wallyworld! These people speak loud enough for the whole store to hear about "Johnny told me he wanted to see other people, "girl, did you see what she was wearing last night??", etc...nothing that matters! Just once I'd like to overhear someone say, 'Oh my God! I'm leaving right now! I'll meet you at the hospital!". :-)
The only time I use my cell while shopping is to call my wife and ask "hey do we need...(product in question). Or she will call and say, "hey I forgot to put such and such on the list please buy it."
Such calls last about 30 seconds.
I don't use my cell phone while driving. If it rings I'll aswer it only long enough to tell them I'll call them back. If it is an urgent call, I pull over.
But that is me. I disagree with legislation banning them while driving. We already have too much government in our lives as it is.
You are the exception rather than the rule. When I stop for a red light at busy intersection, I marvel at the number of drivers yakking on their cell phones.