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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Karin on January 25, 2011, 03:25:01 PM
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I knew it, I knew it, I knew it. How many times did I say to the DUmmies, "ummmm you'd better be careful about that perpetual, neverending unemployment, because it's going to look reeeeal bad on your resume."
Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-23-11 07:54 PM
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"Must have worked in the previous 12 months," More companies excluding long term unemployed
Edited on Sun Jan-23-11 07:55 PM by Liberal_in_LA
Long-term unemployed face stigmas in job search
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And on top of that, some companies — including PMG Indiana, Sony Ericsson and retailers nationwide — have explicitly barred the unemployed or long-term unemployed from certain job openings, outright telling them in job ads that they need not apply.
Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-23-11 07:55 PM
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1. This is seriously ****ed up.
shawn703 (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-24-11 05:57 PM
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27. Instead of saying unemployed
Can't you say you were self-employed? Register a fictitious name with your county and list that as your employer on your resume. As long as your "self-employment" doesn't interfere with your ability to find work you will remain eligible for unemployment benefits.
JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-24-11 10:14 PM
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37. The benefits of higher productivity should be shared and not just
grabbed by the rich.
One way to share those benefits is to shorten the work week. In addition to increasing the equitable distribution of work and income, that would increase the stability of American families and allow parents to spend more time with their children. That might do more to improve the test scores and educational progress of American children than anything else we could do.
Such rationalization for laziness!
LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-23-11 08:12 PM
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6. It ought to be illegal. It is clearly a form of discrimination
bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-23-11 08:21 PM
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7. There needs to be a law to stop this
Companies must be forbidden from simply throwing a resume in the garbage can
:lmao:
MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-24-11 10:14 AM
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17. Perfect solution: Pass a law that allows them
to pay a "little bit more" in unemployment taxes.
BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-24-11 06:12 PM
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30. How could this situation get any worse for those of us in this category?????????
You would think that once you gt through a chunk of life, you would know something about consequences, unintended or obvious.
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-23-11 08:21 PM
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7. There needs to be a law to stop this
Companies must be forbidden from simply throwing a resume in the garbage can
Oh please. This bluestateidiot has been smoking dope for way too long.
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I'm nominating the DUmmy thread as possibly the stupidest head-scratching thread I've seen from the DUmp in a very long time.
shawn703 (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-24-11 05:57 PM
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27. Instead of saying unemployed
Can't you say you were self-employed? Register a fictitious name with your county and list that as your employer on your resume. As long as your "self-employment" doesn't interfere with your ability to find work you will remain eligible for unemployment benefits.
I mean, come on. How can anyone type something so stupid like that and be serious? :banghead:
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Macy's asks a similar question too.
Have you worked in the past 60 days?
Not sure if Macy's asks this question due to unemployment or not though. I just remember having to answer it before and after being hired during the Christmas season.
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DUmbasses labor (heh) under the assumption that capitalism works thusly:
1. drive 1/2 of all people into unemployment
2. make other 1/2 sick unto death
3. rich then get miraculously richer
So their cure is:
1. tax the rich at 90%
2. 2/3 of workforce to be government employed
3. the remaining 1/2 of the workforce will receive federal benefits
4. unionize 3/4 of the workforce
5. subsidize all food, medicine, housing, transportation and recreation for 12/7 of the population
6. everyone miraculously gets rich
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-23-11 08:21 PM
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7. There needs to be a law to stop this
Companies must be forbidden from simply throwing a resume in the garbage can
Okay, then . . . how 'bout we post up the HR director and slam-dunk it into the garbage can over him?
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Could be that there are enough in the job pool they're weedin' out deadbeats, ( pun intended ), so that they're able to hire people who actually want and need a damn job!
Sittin' around in momma's basement, waitin' for somebody to pay you what you think you're worth, is not very attractive to those tryin' to make a buck in this, the O'Bumbler economy!
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shawn703 (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-24-11 05:57 PM
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27. Instead of saying unemployed
Can't you say you were self-employed? Register a fictitious name with your county and list that as your employer on your resume. As long as your "self-employment" doesn't interfere with your ability to find work you will remain eligible for unemployment benefits.
Funny how a DUmmie would know how to buck unemployment checks.
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What they don't seem to understand here is that a person who is willing to collect unemployment benefits for years and make no attempt to find some work even if it is flipping burgers or standing on the corner waiving a sign for 10 buck an hour is not going to give a potential employer a warm and fuzzy feeling about hiring that person. In an economy such as this definite signs of a lack of initiative will not be rewarded.
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Next thing you know employers are going to ask their employees to show up and actually work as instructed.
This the best Craigs list posting ever:
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sba/434813568.html
"Dear Santa Barbara Employees:"
No I didn't write it but it hits so many of the complaints that I have with employees, particularly SB employees whom I think are mostly DUchebags.
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shawn703 (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-24-11 05:57 PM
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27. Instead of saying unemployed
Can't you say you were self-employed? Register a fictitious name with your county and list that as your employer on your resume. As long as your "self-employment" doesn't interfere with your ability to find work you will remain eligible for unemployment benefits.
And of course, no company EVER verifies employment or asks for 1099's in the case of contractors or self-employed hires.
Dipshit.
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And of course, no company EVER verifies employment or asks for 1099's in the case of contractors or self-employed hires.
Dipshit.
And let's not forget that employers will fire your ass (even after being employed for awhile) if they find out you lied on your resume or during your interview.
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And let's not forget that employers will fire your ass (even after being employed for awhile) if they find out you lied on your resume or during your interview.
A DUmmies dream. No more work.
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A DUmmies dream. No more work.
Problem for the DUmmies, though, is that termination for cause means no more UEI in most states.
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Problem for the DUmmies, though, is that termination for cause means no more UEI in most states.
That is true.
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Next thing you know employers are going to ask their employees to show up and actually work as instructed.
This the best Craigs list posting ever:
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sba/434813568.html
"Dear Santa Barbara Employees:"
No I didn't write it but it hits so many of the complaints that I have with employees, particularly SB employees whom I think are mostly DUchebags.
Hehehehehe!!!! That's great! I especially liked this one as it brought back memories of bosses and friends sons!
Finally, I know that in this town, your parents were probably rich or hippies, so your work ethic wasn't bored into you at home. However, I think you should be smart enough to realize as you go from each dissatisfying job to the next and the expectations are always the same, that the only consistent feature in each of your dissatisfying jobs is you. It won't break my heart to send you off to the next dissatisfying job. Yes, its irritating to find and train someone else to do your job, but just because you are important doesn't mean you aren't replaceable.
I've even been the one to find another job because of this principal! Even their mothers and fathers felt like they should get a pass!
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And of course, no company EVER verifies employment or asks for 1099's in the case of contractors or self-employed hires.
Dipshit.
Hmm... lazy and a liar.
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I'm nominating the DUmmy thread as possibly the stupidest head-scratching thread I've seen from the DUmp in a very long time.
I mean, come on. How can anyone type something so stupid like that and be serious? :banghead:
::)They make my rolly-eyes hurt.
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Next thing you know employers are going to ask their employees to show up and actually work as instructed.
This the best Craigs list posting ever:
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sba/434813568.html
"Dear Santa Barbara Employees:"
Every now and than I browse Craigslist for different jobs, not because I'm looking but some of the requests are so absolutely ludicrous it boggles my mind.
The other day, I saw one asking for a licensed, insured, and bonded professional electrician to give a firm bid on a service upgrade and bring a home up to code. However it was mandated that the electrician use the carpenter/home owner as his assistant to keep costs down. Bill no more than a reasonable $12 an hour, and absolutely no billing for travel. Leave a deposit with the home owner to be used for follow up work by another electrician if there were problems. Also, to give a quote sight unseen of a 80 year old home.
:lmao:
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Every now and than I browse Craigslist for different jobs, not because I'm looking but some of the requests are so absolutely ludicrous it boggles my mind.
The other day, I saw one asking for a licensed, insured, and bonded professional electrician to give a firm bid on a service upgrade and bring a home up to code. However it was mandated that the electrician use the carpenter/home owner as his assistant to keep costs down. Bill no more than a reasonable $12 an hour, and absolutely no billing for travel. Leave a deposit with the home owner to be used for follow up work by another electrician if there were problems. Also, to give a quote sight unseen of a 80 year old home.
:lmao:
Except for the deposit bull shit, this really isn't an unreasonable request nowadays. Especially with the housing market and unemployment. The home owner can be his own contractor so basically askin' for a consultant for 12/hr is not unreasonable.
However, since the homeowner is the contractor, askin' for a deposit is lunacy! I'm not goin' to be responsible for the corners you yourself cut in order to save a buck!
ETA:
I still keep my licenses current for just such "consulting" merely for rep, besides, if ya **** it up, the buildin' inspector is gonna tell ya what ya have to do to bring it up to code. No reason for this guy to ask for a deposit unless he plans on keepin' it for years! **** that!!!!
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Except for the deposit bull shit, this really isn't an unreasonable request nowadays. Especially with the housing market and unemployment. The home owner can be his own contractor so basically askin' for a consultant for 12/hr is not unreasonable.
However, since the homeowner is the contractor, askin' for a deposit is lunacy! I'm not goin' to be responsible for the corners you yourself cut in order to save a buck!
Considering the actual cost of doing business, an electrician could not manage payroll, insurance, and continual education on that wage. Even if the electrician was just desperate for any source of income, including the less than minimum wage that job would actually pay. It's illegal in many jurisdictions, and serious bankruptcy ensuring NFPA 70e violation in others. Granted, there are some ways around that... but it would hardly be worth it in the above mentioned case. As for being asked to make a firm bid, sight unseen, on such an old house... even if it wasn't averaged down to $12 an hour... any electrician who bid that job would be insane. There are variables that could add thousands to the costs that could only be discovered by scoping it out.
You are correct though, that if the person just showed up as a consultant they could avoid a lot of the drama. Granted than they couldn't pull the permit, physically touch anything, and certainly not bid on the job as requested.
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Considering the actual cost of doing business, an electrician could not manage payroll, insurance, and continual education on that wage. Even if the electrician was just desperate for any source of income, including the less than minimum wage that job would actually pay. It's illegal in many jurisdictions, and serious bankruptcy ensuring NFPA 70e violation in others. Granted, there are some ways around that... but it would hardly be worth it in the above mentioned case. As for being asked to make a firm bid, sight unseen, on such an old house... even if it wasn't averaged down to $12 an hour... any electrician who bid that job would be insane. There are variables that could add thousands to the costs that could only be discovered by scoping it out.
You are correct though, that if the person just showed up as a consultant they could avoid a lot of the drama. Granted than they couldn't pull the permit, physically touch anything, and certainly not bid on the job as requested.
Wait, wait, wait! The electrician is not bringin' his crew, and from my interpretation, nothin' more than his expertise. The home owner is acting as the contractor, which as far as I know, is legal in all 50 states! You can do your own work on your house without havin' to be licensed with the state. Sounds like he's just wantin' a guy to guide him thru it. At least that's the way I've done it in the past. Bein' as he's talkin' 12/hr, it couldn't be anything else!
I could be wrong, but this sort of thing is gettin' pretty popular around here. I helped a guy build a lake cabin a few years back, he paid me 16/hr to make sure he didn't **** it up and to help get him thru the building inspections. The guy didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, but was handy with his tools. Turned out pretty damn nice! Most of the time I didn't do much more than drink his beer. Him, his kids and friends did the work. They just needed to know how.
Givin' 'em a bid in this instance is estimating what it will cost the home owner in material, permits, etc. The reason I say this is, when you put in a bid, there's no hourly wage involved. It's included in the bid.
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They could always claim "Freelance Waiting Room Channel Changer" on their résumé. Making the world safe from Faux News, one doctor's office at a time.
Ya know?
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Could be that there are enough in the job pool they're weedin' out deadbeats, ( pun intended ), so that they're able to hire people who actually want and need a damn job!
Sittin' around in momma's basement, waitin' for somebody to pay you what you think you're worth, is not very attractive to those tryin' to make a buck in this, the O'Bumbler economy!
I gotta agree with some of the DUmmies on this one(although not their extreme solutions, obviously). I was an at home mother for 12 years, yet I'm sure more then a few employers weeded my resume out as a 'deadbeat'. Pity for them, I ended up with two places that wanted me before I stopped looking. With those with a little bit more discretion, what I've found is long term absences that can be explained or show an effort to improve, update, or better oneself are usually not looked in the same way as someone who just sat around collecting a check for several years. Sometimes it takes being creative to realize the skills you have or have obtained when you have not been in either formal schooling or formal employment. If DUmmies, oh I don't know, went to church, helped a neighbor with childcare or cleaning, etc they would realize they could put something down during those periods of unemployment to account for their time. The companies who just ditch you for having explainable stretches or aren't interested in skills obtained even when not on someone's payroll, imo, I don't want to work for them either--it says something about the company's value system and they probably are not on the positive sign of work/family balance given the reason I have such a long stretch of technical unemployment. Nor do they have the big picture view that understand not all skills are found in a degree or behind a desk.
What I don't get is why DUmmies don't just move on and forget those places anyway. Instead they have to encumber the system with more regulation. IMO, it does it's own weeding out process for me by telling me who I DON'T want to work for. :cheersmate:
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"Hey man, I got my unemployment started. I'm gonna ride that horse 'til she dies."...I overheard some fellows laughing and talking this junk a year or more ago. Well, that horse, at least in SC, died this month, may she rest in peace. Now that same bunch is whinning/crying....and their wifes foodstamps got cut... :-)
Yeah, it wasn't that long ago I heard them talking that they had heard Obama was going to extend their unemployment benefits. OH yeah, he was the man, "He's got my vote." Well, Obama did extend them but now they've finally run out....your extended vacation is over fellows.
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I have been thinking about this for a bit. I am sure that employers out there would not want to hire someone who for the past 20 months has spent more time ensuring that their unemployment insurance deposit showed up on time than looking for work. But I would put that all aside if someone showed up and said, yes, I have been unemployed for 20 months, and I have been getting unemployment, but when I have not been looking for work, I have volunteered over 1200 hours at the local food bank, and have assisted as a tutor in my sons elementary school. Stuff like that. At least it would show initiative to do something other than wearing out a lazy boy.
I can understand the lack of work, but I cannot understand the lack of work ethic.
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Oh, absolutely. Volunteer work is a great thing to add as what one did with their time. Even better if you can find something in your field. I had a gap of time once, and I volunteered as Treasurer for a community association. I self-employed with small bookkeeping jobs. Anything to show you're not spending your days high, gazing slack-mouthed at the TV.
As for that $12/hour electrician job above, I don't know about other states, but in New York, Workers Compensation is so astronomically high that this would just never be possible. Just had roof work done, and the charge on those guys was $31.25/hour. Even if it's just a one-man shop, you won't get any license or permit or anything else unless you've purchased the WC at costs that would make your hair curl. The Craigslist homeowner is delusional.
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Anyone who's been unemployed for over a year just isn't looking and, IMO, has become comfortable in their situation. That's their own damn fault. Home Depot, Lowes, Wal-Mart, etc., are always hiring and, at least in GA, they pay more than unemployment which is about 350 per week.
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I gotta agree with some of the DUmmies on this one(although not their extreme solutions, obviously). I was an at home mother for 12 years, yet I'm sure more then a few employers weeded my resume out as a 'deadbeat'. Pity for them, I ended up with two places that wanted me before I stopped looking. With those with a little bit more discretion, what I've found is long term absences that can be explained or show an effort to improve, update, or better oneself are usually not looked in the same way as someone who just sat around collecting a check for several years. Sometimes it takes being creative to realize the skills you have or have obtained when you have not been in either formal schooling or formal employment. If DUmmies, oh I don't know, went to church, helped a neighbor with childcare or cleaning, etc they would realize they could put something down during those periods of unemployment to account for their time. The companies who just ditch you for having explainable stretches or aren't interested in skills obtained even when not on someone's payroll, imo, I don't want to work for them either--it says something about the company's value system and they probably are not on the positive sign of work/family balance given the reason I have such a long stretch of technical unemployment. Nor do they have the big picture view that understand not all skills are found in a degree or behind a desk.
What I don't get is why DUmmies don't just move on and forget those places anyway. Instead they have to encumber the system with more regulation. IMO, it does it's own weeding out process for me by telling me who I DON'T want to work for. :cheersmate:
Well, ya did include that in your reumé I hope. When I was laid up for pretty much 3 years I explained to employers why so there wasn't this huge gap in my work history. I also encouraged them to contact any of my previous employers. Somethin' I'm sure a DUmmie would be hard pressed to do.
That's the problem with DUmmies, they have nothin' to explain why they been sittin' on their ass, other than the fact they refuse to work for anything less than what they consider they're worth! Every single job I have ever had I have agreed to a lower wage until they can evaluate my work. Not once did I ever fail to get a substantial increase within 90 days!
Besides, what employer is goin' to hire someone who has been tryin' to milk the system? Kinda makes it look like a DUmmie would do the same to them, givin' the chance.
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Anyone who's been unemployed for over a year just isn't looking and, IMO, has become comfortable in their situation. That's their own damn fault. Home Depot, Lowes, Wal-Mart, etc., are always hiring and, at least in GA, they pay more than unemployment which is about 350 per week.
Agree 110%. Right now I am housing a relative in my basement. He was laid off in November. He told me he is getting 11.50 per hour in unemployment compensation and will not take a job for any less than that. I avoided spitting food all over him as I got elbowed in the ribs from his MIL.
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Agree 110%. Right now I am housing a relative in my basement. He was laid off in November. He told me he is getting 11.50 per hour in unemployment compensation and will not take a job for any less than that. I avoided spitting food all over him as I got elbowed in the ribs from his MIL.
I dunno, HD up here is pretty much in stand by mode. I been tryin' to get them to hire me PT for loss prevention, as I could do that ridin' around on one of them little scooters. They aren't hirin' anyone until spring.
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Not only loss prevention, AR, but also ADVICE. You could do that from a scooter. I wander into an HD, and look like a helpless waif until I can get some experienced guy there to give me advice on what gizmo or other I need for This Old House. (My old fashioned parents didn't teach their daughters carpentry and plumbing and stuff).
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Not only loss prevention, AR, but also ADVICE. You could do that from a scooter. I wander into an HD, and look like a helpless waif until I can get some experienced guy there to give me advice on what gizmo or other I need for This Old House. (My old fashioned parents didn't teach their daughters carpentry and plumbing and stuff).
Absolutely Karin! You so could do that from a scooter AR.
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Absolutely Karin! You so could do that from a scooter AR.
Problem is, advice is only half the job. Ya gots to be able to stock shelves in your department, and with a ten pound weight limit, it kinda takes me outa the equation. It's why I had to give it up. That and walkin' those concrete floors all day was killin' me!
They've promised to cal me if a desk job shows up, but those are few and far between and usually occupied by HD lifers.
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Agree 110%. Right now I am housing a relative in my basement. He was laid off in November. He told me he is getting 11.50 per hour in unemployment compensation and will not take a job for any less than that. I avoided spitting food all over him as I got elbowed in the ribs from his MIL.
That's so pathetic. I'd like to say, "good luck" to your relative, because I don't think that job will be showing up any time soon. I applied for a job that paid $9/hr and couldn't even get an interview. Then a third shift job I applied for and had two interviews with so far, has had another handful (or more) of interviewees. Still haven't heard back, but I hope I at least made it into their final selection.
If people stopped focusing on the base pay vs unemployment amount, they might have some better luck at landing a job.
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Funny how a DUmmie would know how to buck unemployment checks.
You should see them in action when it comes to social security disability benefits. They share info on how to beat the interviews.
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That's so pathetic. I'd like to say, "good luck" to your relative, because I don't think that job will be showing up any time soon. I applied for a job that paid $9/hr and couldn't even get an interview. Then a third shift job I applied for and had two interviews with so far, has had another handful (or more) of interviewees. Still haven't heard back, but I hope I at least made it into their final selection.
If people stopped focusing on the base pay vs unemployment amount, they might have some better luck at landing a job.
You're on the right track, keep plugging. It's definitely a lot easier to progress to better and better jobs when you're already working, than it is to get a great job straight from being unemployed.
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You should see them in action when it comes to social security disability benefits. They share info on how to beat the interviews.
Yeah, I'm not surprised. It's a way of life for them. :-)