sabra (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 11:04 AM
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Pa. Abortion Doc Charged With 8 Counts of Murder
Source: ABC News/AP
Philadelphia abortion doctor charged with 8 murders, including 7 babies killed with scissors
A Philadelphia abortion doctor has been charged with eight counts of murder in the deaths of a woman patient and seven babies that prosecutors say were born alive and then killed with scissors.
The charges against Dr. Kermit Gosnell follow a long grand jury investigation.
District Attorney Seth Williams says state regulators ignored complaints and failed to visit the clinic since 1993.
Williams says the women were subjected to squalid and barbaric conditions at Gosnell's Women's Medical Society, which was shut down last year.
Gosnell has been named in at least 10 malpractice suits, including one over the death of a woman who died of sepsis and a perforated uterus.
Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=12647764
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 11:05 AM:bird:
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1. I believe the proper term is Obstetrician/Gynecologist
Automatic Unrec for needless inflammatory language.
FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 01:21 PM
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13. Except he was not an OB/GYN
He started, but did not finish, a residency in obstetrics-gynecology, authorities said.
The good Dr. also
Gosnell "induced labor, forced the live birth of viable babies in the sixth, seventh, eighth month of pregnancy and then killed those babies by cutting into the back of the neck with scissors and severing their spinal cord," Williams said.
Bags and bottles holding aborted fetuses "were scattered throughout the building," Williams said. "There were jars, lining shelves, with severed feet that he kept for no medical purpose."
justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:47 PM****ing creep.
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10. Tinfoil hat time
Sometimes I get wild ideas when I see crap like this. It makes me wonder what this "doctor's" political leanings are. It would make sense to have an anti-abortion "doc" do something heinous to bring to light the "horror" of abortions.
Of course, it doesn't make sense this would go on since '93 if that were indeed the case but it would be a terrific political move to bring the abortion debate back to the foreground.
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 11:05 AMSo he finds that needless and inflammatory, but not the substance of the story? :banghead:
Response to Original message
1. I believe the proper term is Obstetrician/Gynecologist
Automatic Unrec for needless inflammatory language.
sabra (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 11:04 AMThat is all I needed to read. I hope they "take care" of him in prison. What a piece of scum.
Original message
Pa. Abortion Doc Charged With 8 Counts of Murder
Source: ABC News/AP
Philadelphia abortion doctor charged with 8 murders, including 7 babies killed with scissors
Gosnell "induced labor, forced the live birth of viable babies in the sixth, seventh, eighth month of pregnancy and then killed those babies by cutting into the back of the neck with scissors and severing their spinal cord," Williams said.
uppityperson (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 01:31 PMhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x229252
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4. This is a good example of why we need to keep the choice of a legal hygienic safe abortion legal.
THIS is the type of shit that will happen more and more if the choice goes away.
DCKit (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 11:31 AM
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7. I think so. But there's a lot more to the story, undoubtedly.
A major concern I would have: What is the availability/access in the area to women's health services? With proper care, many of these cases may have had other outcomes, if only far less controversial, early-term abortions.
Personally, I understand the need for a limited number of late-term abortions, but it still horrifies me. However, how many could be prevented with proper women's health and pre-natal care? There aren't enough Ob-Gyns to go around anymore, thanks to the fundy wingnuts.
Regardless, the Pro-Life (until you're born) crowd is going to make a lot of hay off this.
There aren't enough Ob-Gyns to go around anymore, thanks to the fundy wingnuts.
DCKit (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 11:31 AM
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7. I think so. But there's a lot more to the story, undoubtedly.
A major concern I would have: What is the availability/access in the area to women's health services? With proper care, many of these cases may have had other outcomes, if only far less controversial, early-term abortions.
Personally, I understand the need for a limited number of late-term abortions, but it still horrifies me. However, how many could be prevented with proper women's health and pre-natal care? There aren't enough Ob-Gyns to go around anymore, thanks to the fundy wingnuts.
Regardless, the Pro-Life (until you're born) crowd is going to make a lot of hay off this.
There aren't enough Ob-Gyns to go around anymore, thanks to the fundy wingnuts.
uppityperson (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 01:31 PM
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4. This is a good example of why we need to keep the choice of a legal hygienic safe abortion legal.
THIS is the type of shit that will happen more and more if the choice goes away.
There aren't enough Ob-Gyns to go around anymore, thanks to the fundy wingnuts.
Typical moralizing from the snake handler crowd. I guess you all would rather they be condemned to a life of grinding poverty and crime. Such hypocrites, you force minorities into ghettos through your greed and institutionalized racism, and then condemn them for not bringing new lives into that Hell of your own creation.
Posted by: ProudProg at January 19, 2011 12:47 PM
At DailyKos, they're telling each other that its the fault of the Christian Right because if abortion were celebrated and publicly financed, women wouldn't go to low-lifes like Gosnell.
Posted by: Anonymous at January 19, 2011 1:08 PM
Typical moralizing from the snake handler crowd. I guess you all would rather they be condemned to a life of grinding poverty and crime. Such hypocrites, you force minorities into ghettos through your greed and institutionalized racism, and then condemn them for not bringing new lives into that Hell of your own creation.
Posted by: ProudProg at January 19, 2011 12:47 PM
Typical moralizing from the snake handler crowd. I guess you all would rather they be condemned to a life of grinding poverty and crime. Such hypocrites, you force minorities into ghettos through your greed and institutionalized racism, and then condemn them for not bringing new lives into that Hell of your own creation.
Posted by: ProudProg at January 19, 2011 12:47 PM
That's precisely why I don't read Moonbattery anymore, and have really lost a lot of respect for Van Helsing, who seems perfectly willing to tolerate shit like that on his site, for no other reason than he thinks it drives traffic.
I remember about 9 years ago, when the man still had some convictions, other than some obsession with the site counter at the bottom of the page.
I read moonbattery everyday, but rarely venture to the comments.
Don't worry little DUmmies, it is only a matter of time before HBO makes a movie starring Al Pacino rehabilitating and lionizing this guy.
Is that what they did with the last Baby Killer? make him a martyr? Figures! Isn't that where Bill Mahre resides?That is what they did with Kervorkian. Vicki McKenna in Madison WI did a segment on what Kervorkian was really like and HBO made a movie that she claimed made him into a muppet.
One woman, for example, was left lying in place for hours after Gosnell tore her cervix and colon while trying, unsuccessfully, to extract the fetus. Relatives who came to pick her up were refused entry into the building; they had to threaten to call the police. They eventually found her inside, bleeding and incoherent, and transported her to the hospital, where doctors had to remove almost half a foot of her intestines.
On another occasion, Gosnell simply sent a patient home, after keeping her mother waiting for hours, without telling either of them that she still had fetal parts inside her. Gosnell insisted she was fine, even after signs of serious infection set in over the next several days. By the time her mother got her to the emergency room, she was unconscious and near death.
A nineteen-year-old girl was held for several hours after Gosnell punctured her uterus. As a result of the delay, she fell into shock from blood loss, and had to undergo a hysterectomy.
One patient went into convulsions during an abortion, fell off the procedure table, and hit her head on the floor. Gosnell wouldn’t call an ambulance, and wouldn’t let the woman’s companion leave the building so that he could call an ambulance.
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We discovered that Pennsylvania’s Department of Health has deliberately chosen not to enforce laws that should afford patients at abortion clinics the same safeguards and assurances of quality health care as patients of other medical service providers. Even nail salons in Pennsylvania are monitored more closely for client safety.
The State Legislature has charged the Department of Health (DOH) with responsibility for writing and enforcing regulations to protect health and safety in abortion clinics as well as in hospitals and other health care facilities. Yet a significant difference exists between how DOH monitors abortion clinics and how it monitors facilities where other medical procedures are performed.
Indeed, the department has shown an utter disregard both for the safety of women who seek treatment at abortion clinics and for the health of fetuses after they have become viable. State health officials have also shown a disregard for the laws the department is supposed to enforce. Most appalling of all, the Department of Health’s neglect of abortion patients’ safety and of Pennsylvania laws is clearly not inadvertent: It is by design. [emphasis original]
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State health officials knew that Gosnell and his clinic were offering unacceptable medical care to women and girls, yet DOH failed to take any action to stop the atrocities documented by this Grand Jury. These officials were far more protective of themselves when they testified before the Grand Jury. Even DOH lawyers, including the chief counsel, brought private attorneys with them – presumably at government expense.
We discovered that Pennsylvania’s Department of Health has deliberately chosen not to enforce laws that should afford patients at abortion clinics the same safeguards and assurances of quality health care as patients of other medical service providers. Even nail salons in Pennsylvania are monitored more closely for client safety.
Looks like the "right" to abortion is more important than the lives of the women to me!
And yet, because of this willful negligience the state now has liabilities reaching into the tens of millions if not more (I wonder what their revenue/spending ratio looks like) and scrutiny of the abortion mills will be higher than ever.
Their thirst for abortion will drink the well dry.
Because governmental inspection might be "harassment," thus interfering with awoman'sdoctor's "right" to"choose."profit.
In both Nebraska (with one abortion mill) and Kansas (with probably more than one), inspection by the state departments of health of abortion factories has generally been "hands off."
These same people go through medical clinics, hospitals, veterinary clinics, beauty salons, barber shops, with a fine-toothed comb, but they're leery of inspecting abortion profiteerss.
Why?
Because governmental inspection might be "harassment," thus interfering with a woman's "right" to "choose."
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jan-19-11 06:12 PM
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19. Indeed. Or, as I put my post in the Choice forum...
Racist uncertified asshole MD stopped from doing back alley abortions with untrained staff
Gay Straight Black White
Marriage is a Civil Right!
slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jan-19-11 06:13 PM
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20. That works for me too.
:hi:
"Quis custodiet ipso
alp227 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jan-19-11 07:47 PM
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22. saw his photo, he's actually black, so more like "black on black crime" i should say n/t
According to WBT Radio news....the doctor can afford a lawyer. The FBI has been through his home and found $250,000 in cash and records showing he made $1.8 in profit last year.
If he plans to take his ill gotten gains with him, he better buy gold and silver because where he's going the paper money will burn and the plastic kind will melt.
If he plans to take his ill gotten gains with him, he better buy gold and silver because where he's going the paper money will burn and the plastic kind will melt.
justiceischeap (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-19-11 12:47 PMDamn, you DUmmies got us. We had planted this doctor way back when and were just waiting for the the right moment to shine the light on him to try to get abortions stopped once and for all.
Response to Original message
10. Tinfoil hat time
Sometimes I get wild ideas when I see crap like this. It makes me wonder what this "doctor's" political leanings are. It would make sense to have an anti-abortion "doc" do something heinous to bring to light the "horror" of abortions.
Of course, it doesn't make sense this would go on since '93 if that were indeed the case but it would be a terrific political move to bring the abortion debate back to the foreground.
The guy was also peddling prescriptions in his spare time.
Another minority affirmative action doctor, like the quack who killed Michael Jackson.
This story really turned my stomach and I can't believe someone can be like this :bawl:
This story really turned my stomach and I can't believe someone can be like this :bawl:
Don't worry little DUmmies, it is only a matter of time before HBO makes a movie starring Al Pacino rehabilitating and lionizing this guy.
Damn, you DUmmies got us. We had planted this doctor way back when and were just waiting for the the right moment to shine the light on him to try to get abortions stopped once and for all.
You guys are waaaay to smart for us.