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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2012 => Topic started by: theconservative on January 05, 2011, 09:52:58 PM
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Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney will run for President in 2012 with the support of traditional fiscal conservatives (non tea party voters), foreign policy conservatives, Reagan conservatives, and some moderates. However, Romney is not popular with tea party conservatives or social conservatives. Picking Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) would be a smart political move for Romney. Romney is middle-aged, a male, and although he hails from the midwest, he was a new england governor and businessman. Bachmann is younger, from the midwest, and loved by tea party and social conservatives. My question to all of you is, would a Romney-Bachmann ticket be a good idea in your view?
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How about a Bachmann/Romney ticket instead.
I don't think Romney's ego would allow him to be second.
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Palin - Bachmann 2012
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I would have a very hard time voting for Romney...under any circumstances. :(
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**** NO!
Cain/Bachman sounds good, but I will NOT vote for a state-funded healthcare system supporting Governor any time in my life.
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I would have a very hard time voting for Romney...under any circumstances. :(
^ What she said. ^
What is your "handle" sir"?
"theconservative"? Really??
Did your fingers slip on the keys when you meant to type "themoderate"?
Our maybe Im just confused by the term. I think thats what Charles Krauthammer and the NYTimes keeps telling me anyways ...
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I'm sticking with my prediction, listed below - though I'm not as certain of Palin now as I was two years back. I would prefer it if Romney would drop the support for healthcare, and was more conservative than moderate, but one needs to remember that it is quite uncommon to get an entirely conservative president at all. - And if Obama is on the ticket, we are going to need to pull as many conservative leaning independents and Democrats as possible - since Obama is going to turn this election into the mother of all class-warfare battles.
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Any ticket with Romney on it -- no matter how you spin it -- stinks to high heaven.
That said, if that RINO happens to make it on the Repub ticket, I'll have to both hold my nose and cover my eyes as I pull the lever for that pretty boy, as he is once again the lesser of two evils.
Lord Zero is, without question and further qualification, the greater of evils.
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Romney's the reason McCain won the nomination when he "stopped campaigning" and held on to his votes. He was hoping that McCain would win and he'd get the VP slot or a cabinet position. In my opinion. It would be difficult to me to not sit out of the vote in that case. I know you won't find a true fully conservative president anymore, but anyone but that RINO.
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Romney's the reason McCain won the nomination when he "stopped campaigning" and held on to his votes. He was hoping that McCain would win and he'd get the VP slot or a cabinet position. In my opinion. It would be difficult to me to not sit out of the vote in that case. I know you won't find a true fully conservative president anymore, but anyone but that RINO.
I thought it was more like backdoor dealings between McCain and Huckabee intended to push Romney out.
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Like Eupher said...I too, would have to hold my nose and still vote for whomever is on the Repub ticket.
To stay home and not vote, is essentially a vote for Obama - or whoever the Dem candidate is.
I won't do that...no matter who the Repub nominee.
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I think it's all going to be about bladder control.
The smoke filled room guys will select a candidate they think we would at least piss on if on fire. We won't get a conservative presidential candidate unless we get out (tea party, etc.) and make it understood that that's what we want.
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**** NO!
Cain/Bachman sounds good, but I will NOT vote for a state-funded healthcare system supporting Governor any time in my life.
:yeahthat:
He would just be a continuation Obama's domestic policies (especially healthcare), with a little bit more aggressive foreign policy (and even that is uncertain).
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Romney? Jesus, why not just run McCain again if we want to screw ourselves that bad. I don't think there's ANY GOP candidate that does such a great job of exuding pure phoniness as Mitt.
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Romney? Jesus, why not just run McCain again if we want to screw ourselves that bad. I don't think there's ANY GOP candidate that does such a great job of exuding pure phoniness as Mitt.
It's all the "product" in his hair...makes him look slick and sneaky.
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True, deb, but there is something in his overly-polished voice and manner that has the same 'Used car salesman' effect on me.
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True, deb, but there is something in his overly-polished voice and manner that has the same 'Used car salesman' effect on me.
Yup. I get almost the same thing with Lord Zero. Glib, slick, polished, fake, phony, and a complete up-and-down RINO. (Zero, of course, ain't the RINO - he's nothing more than a flat-out socialist bent on redistributing wealth and centralizing power within the federal government.)
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True, deb, but there is something in his overly-polished voice and manner that has the same 'Used car salesman' effect on me.
He's just like the car salesman that walks up to a woman who's looking at cars by herself, all slicked up and a know-it-all, that proceeds to tell the woman what she wants in a car, with no concern or interest in what the woman wants. Been there and have the t-shirt.
An intelligent woman walks away...just as they will from Romney. :-)
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He's just like the car salesman that walks up to a woman who's looking at cars by herself, all slicked up and a know-it-all, that proceeds to tell the woman what she wants in a car, with no concern or interest in what the woman wants. Been there and have the t-shirt.
An intelligent woman walks away...just as they will from Romney. :-)
Went to buy a truck 35 years ago. The dealership had a cabover/sleeper that I really wanted. The manager said he was sending his top salesman out to take me for a test drive. Big tittied woman in a micro-mini-skirt came out and started climbing up into the truck...yeah, all smiles and showing it all off. I told the sales gal something like, "I already have one of those at home that I can't afford....I need a damn truck."
I drove back there about an hour later in a new truck, blew the horn and waved at everyone.... :lmao:
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Went to buy a truck 35 years ago. The dealership had a cabover/sleeper that I really wanted. The manager said he was sending his top salesman out to take me for a test drive. Big tittied woman in a micro-mini-skirt came out and started climbing up into the truck...yeah, all smiles and showing it all off. I told the sales gal something like, "I already have one of those at home that I can't afford....I need a damn truck."
I drove back there about an hour later in a new truck, blew the horn and waved at everyone.... :lmao:
Was she wearing the holy garments too? Or none at all?
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(Apologies to DefiantSix for the crude joke.) :clueless:
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Was she wearing the holy garments too? Or none at all?
:-)
(Apologies to DefiantSix for the crude joke.) :clueless:
See thru lace bikini which was the thong equivalent of that day.
....and unshaved ....before you get a chance to ask.
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I don't think Romney could win, he has a lot of explaining to do as far as Romneycare in Mass. goes, he's flip flopped on too many issues. Right now I'd like to see a ticket that can actually win, and we need a ticket that consists of any of the following, Rubio, Christie, Pawlenty, Thune and DeMint.
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^ What she said. ^
What is your "handle" sir"?
"theconservative"? Really??
Did your fingers slip on the keys when you meant to type "themoderate"? Our maybe Im just confused by the term. I think thats what Charles Krauthammer and the NYTimes keeps telling me anyways ...
HA HA! Great post Janice. You are completely right. Romney gave us Universal Hellcare in MA.
MA in the red, 2 billion dollars.
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It's all the "product" in his hair...makes him look slick and sneaky.
Please welcome ... Mitt Headroom!!!
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Please welcome ... Mitt Headroom!!!
Sorry about that!
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Mitt and Max - twins separated at
birth rendering? You decide!
:lmao:
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Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney will run for President in 2012 with the support of traditional fiscal conservatives (non tea party voters), foreign policy conservatives, Reagan conservatives, and some moderates. However, Romney is not popular with tea party conservatives or social conservatives. Picking Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) would be a smart political move for Romney. Romney is middle-aged, a male, and although he hails from the midwest, he was a new england governor and businessman. Bachmann is younger, from the midwest, and loved by tea party and social conservatives. My question to all of you is, would a Romney-Bachmann ticket be a good idea in your view?
What is a "traditional fiscal conservative?" RINO.... no thank you.. Romney sucks
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"traditional fiscal conservative" = Social liberal who wants a balanced budget, often by cutting defense which most of them think you can just go buy off the shelf if you ever have to fight a war.
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^ What she said. ^
What is your "handle" sir"?
"theconservative"? Really??
Did your fingers slip on the keys when you meant to type "themoderate"?
Our maybe Im just confused by the term. I think thats what Charles Krauthammer and the NYTimes keeps telling me anyways ...
Romney cut spending without increasing taxes in Massachusetts, he increased funding for soldiers returning home, and he said no to illegal immigrants getting driver's licenses. Say what you want about his healthcare plan, but it did not violate the constitutional principle of state's rights, it did not increase taxes under his watch, and it did not cut medicare on seniors. I would not have pursued such a bill, it was not a good bill, but a 2009 poll showed 59% of residents in the bay state still support the healthcare legislation.
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Palin - Bachmann 2012
The issue here is, you have two tea-party supported candidates who are also loved by social conservatives, but not foreign policy voters or traditional republicans.
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What is a "traditional fiscal conservative?" RINO.... no thank you.. Romney sucks
You bring up a great question. Some in the tea party want to eliminate social security and cut military spending, which traditional fiscal conservatives oppose.
Personally, I want to abolish the IRS, department of education, the department of interior, the department of agriculture, and I want to combine other departments. However, I do not want to cut a penny from the defense budget, and I'd love it if they just passed the privatization of social security.
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Palin - Bachmann 2012
H5!
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Some in the tea party want to eliminate social security and cut military spending, which traditional fiscal conservatives oppose.
I strongly disagree, and I would also add that Romney's health plan was clearly going to ultimately be unsustainable, and foreseeably so from its inception, he just knew he could bail long before it crashed so he wouldn't get the black mark for it.
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I strongly disagree, and I would also add that Romney's health plan was clearly going to ultimately be unsustainable, and foreseeably so from its inception, he just knew he could bail long before it crashed so he wouldn't get the black mark for it.
1. Some libertarian members of the tea party do want to eliminate social security and cut military spending, look at the statements made by Rep. Ron Paul and others. Not all take this position, but some do.
2. When Romney left office, the state had a surplus and his healthcare plan was still affordable. The principle of Romeycare, which was that people had to buy insurance instead of having the government pay, was a good principle though it obviously was badly implemented. Mitt thought the state could afford the plan, and he was wrong. Bureaucrats often tell governors or presidents that things will cost less than what they end up costing, it happens all the time. I will not defend Mitt Romney on the individual mandates, but I will defend his right to pass the plan and I don't believe his plan should disqualify him from being president.
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1. Some libertarian members of the tea party do want to eliminate social security and cut military spending, look at the statements made by Rep. Ron Paul and others. Not all take this position, but some do.
2. When Romney left office, the state had a surplus and his healthcare plan was still affordable. The principle of Romeycare, which was that people had to buy insurance instead of having the government pay, was a good principle though it obviously was badly implemented. Mitt thought the state could afford the plan, and he was wrong. Bureaucrats often tell governors or presidents that things will cost less than what they end up costing, it happens all the time. I will not defend Mitt Romney on the individual mandates, but I will defend his right to pass the plan and I don't believe his plan should disqualify him from being president.
I'll go with you on point #2 from the standpoint that bureaucrats typically and traditionally underreport and underestimate long term costs - you'd think that executives would get a clue about that, but no, they don't.
But I'll flat out tell you that Romney prides himself on being a "numbers" man. He'll stand up and quote chapter and verse on small points relating to any particular policy or legislation and do so quite elegantly - it's clear he does a certain amount of homework.
So why, pray tell, did Romney fail so badly in both failing to predict the underestimates for cost and the ultimate unsustainability of RomneyCare if he's such a "numbers" guy?
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I'll go with you on point #2 from the standpoint that bureaucrats typically and traditionally underreport and underestimate long term costs - you'd think that executives would get a clue about that, but no, they don't.
But I'll flat out tell you that Romney prides himself on being a "numbers" man. He'll stand up and quote chapter and verse on small points relating to any particular policy or legislation and do so quite elegantly - it's clear he does a certain amount of homework.
So why, pray tell, did Romney fail so badly in both failing to predict the underestimates for cost and the ultimate unsustainability of RomneyCare if he's such a "numbers" guy?
Maybe because he failed, he became a "numbers" guy after? Was he like many, who relied on the research of others, then recited it chapter and verse his constituents, only to end up looking foolish? Did he then decide that if he was going to recite C & V, then he needed to be doing his own homework, rather than to rely on the work of others?
I don't know the answers, or trying to be snarky.
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Didn't we already try the RINO-Conservative woman ticket combo against 0bama? Why do it again?
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The issue here is, you have two tea-party supported candidates who are also loved by social conservatives, but not foreign policy voters or traditional republicans.
What makes you think they won't be?
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Palin-West, Bachmann for AG
Cindie
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I like Bachmann. Scratch that Romney name.
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Romney is A Yankee liberal who can not win. How the hell can he explain his vote for MASScare when it mirrors Obamacare. He is a social liberal and a flip flopper on abortion and who knows what his position is on gay marriage.
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Didn't we already try the RINO-Conservative woman ticket combo against 0bama? Why do it again?
+1. :werd:
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I'll go with you on point #2 from the standpoint that bureaucrats typically and traditionally underreport and underestimate long term costs - you'd think that executives would get a clue about that, but no, they don't.
But I'll flat out tell you that Romney prides himself on being a "numbers" man. He'll stand up and quote chapter and verse on small points relating to any particular policy or legislation and do so quite elegantly - it's clear he does a certain amount of homework.
So why, pray tell, did Romney fail so badly in both failing to predict the underestimates for cost and the ultimate unsustainability of RomneyCare if he's such a "numbers" guy?
Romney cut spending in Massachusetts, a state that faced a $3 billion budget deficit. As a Governor, Romney did increase fees, local commercial taxes, and he also created an online sales tax. However, Romney also expanded a 2003 tax cut on investment, he created a New Market Tax Credit, and he stopped further tax increases. Furthermore, Romney saw the addition of 80,000 jobs during his time as governor. He held spending increases to 2.2%, when, according to the club for growth, spending should have seen a 3% increase during his time as governor given the population. His record as governor is very good in general, but outstanding considering the political climate he governed in.
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Romney cut spending in Massachusetts, a state that faced a $3 billion budget deficit. As a Governor, Romney did increase fees, local commercial taxes, and he also created an online sales tax. However, Romney also expanded a 2003 tax cut on investment, he created a New Market Tax Credit, and he stopped further tax increases. Furthermore, Romney saw the addition of 80,000 jobs during his time as governor. He held spending increases to 2.2%, when, according to the club for growth, spending should have seen a 3% increase during his time as governor given the population. His record as governor is very good in general, but outstanding considering the political climate he governed in.
He is still a Yankee liberal who can not win. MA Health care dooms him along with his flip flop on abortion. He talks a good game but it comes out of both sides of his mouth. Kinda like Obama.
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He is still a Yankee liberal who can not win. MA Health care dooms him along with his flip flop on abortion. He talks a good game but it comes out of both sides of his mouth. Kinda like Obama.
Mitt Romney is the best chance the GOP has in 2012. He is not a liberal, he is a conservative republican. Sorry to break this too you, but unlike in 2000, there is no one with a southern accent with a chance. Yes, Gingrich is from the south, but he does not come across as a southerner, perhaps because of his years in D.C. and I'm not sure if he lives in Georgia right now. I just don't believe in not voting for someone because of where they come from in the 48 main states.
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Nobody here is smellin' what theconservative is cookin'.
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Nobody here is smellin' what theconservative is cookin'.
I am open ears, tell me who I should be voting for in 2012.
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Many have made other suggestions to you, but Mitt is clearly the only one you like. What would be the point?
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Mitt Romney is the best chance the GOP has in 2012. He is not a liberal, he is a conservative republican. Sorry to break this too you, but unlike in 2000, there is no one with a southern accent with a chance. Yes, Gingrich is from the south, but he does not come across as a southerner, perhaps because of his years in D.C. and I'm not sure if he lives in Georgia right now. I just don't believe in not voting for someone because of where they come from in the 48 main states.
According to an 18 YEAR old know it all troll. You do not know shit boy cause you are still wet behind the ears. Sorry to break this to you but Romney is NO conservative, and if that is the best the Repubs have to offer, I will not vote along with many other Southerners. I don't care for Huck or Newt but I would vote for them over your boy who was once the Governor of the most LIBERAL state in the USA. In other words, you can not polish this turd and make him acceptable.
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According to an 18 YEAR old know it all troll. You do not know shit boy cause you are still wet behind the ears. Sorry to break this to you but Romney is NO conservative, and if that is the best the Repubs have to offer, I will not vote along with many other Southerners. I don't care for Huck or Newt but I would vote for them over your boy who was once the Governor of the most LIBERAL state in the USA. In other words, you can not polish this turd and make him acceptable.
I am sorry the main stream media has brainwashed you into believing everything you hear. Southerners vote for the GOP nominee, at least since '68. Also, I do like candidates like Huckabee, Pawlenty, Daniels etc. I will defend truth from fiction, fact from propaganda, and freedom from fear.
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No Romney please.
Remember MASS. health care? I'm living that nightmare. I'll pass on him thanks.
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Mitt Romney is the best chance the GOP has in 2012. He is not a liberal, he is a conservative republican.
:bsmeter:
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Don't take my word for it, believe the folks who supported Romney for President in 2008 including;
- The National Review
- Sen. Judd Greg (R-NH)
- Liz Cheney
- Sheriff Joe Aprio (R-AZ)
- Niki Haley (R-SC)
- Former Governor of Missouri Matt Blunt
- Sean Hannity
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I am sorry the main stream media has brainwashed you into believing everything you hear. Southerners vote for the GOP nominee, at least since '68. Also, I do like candidates like Huckabee, Pawlenty, Daniels etc. I will defend truth from fiction, fact from propaganda, and freedom from fear.
They do not like a politician that has sucked up to every National and local queer organization..Romney allowed their filthy homosexual books in the schools....He had the Boy Scouts banned from the Olympics on the urging of these freaks. Southerners do not vote for a queer lover, a liar who changes his positon on abortion and a promoter of socialistic health care. This smooth talking liberal is not fooling conservatives. Most of this information was gleamed from the Boston Globe.
Got news for you troll. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere cause most here are not buying what you are selling.
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They do not like a politician that has sucked up to every National and local queer organization..Romney allowed their filthy homosexual books in the schools....He had the Boy Scouts banned from the Olympics on the urging of these freaks. Southerners do not vote for a queer lover, a liar who changes his positon on abortion and a promoter of socialistic health care. This smooth talking liberal is not fooling conservatives. Most of this information was gleamed from the Boston Globe.
Got news for you troll. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere cause most here are not buying what you are selling.
1. There is a difference between supporting gay rights and gay marriage. Romney has supported gay rights, but not gay marriage. In fact, he is on the record opposing gay marriage during his 2002 campaign and when he testified before congress to pass a federal marriage amendment in 2005.
2. I am not a troll, I seek to engage in a civil debate. My position on gay marriage happens to be the same as Romney's; I believe that homosexuallity is a way of life that should not be encouraged, but not discriminated against either. I support the federal marriage amendment, but I also support the rights of states to establish civil unions. Romney has the same stance. As for the boy scouts thing, I read an article from 2000 about that, but there was no mention of Romney in the article.
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Romney's the reason McCain won the nomination when he "stopped campaigning" and held on to his votes. He was hoping that McCain would win and he'd get the VP slot or a cabinet position. In my opinion. It would be difficult to me to not sit out of the vote in that case. I know you won't find a true fully conservative president anymore, but anyone but that RINO.
Romney lost the nomination because the conservative vote was split between him and Huckabee. Huckabee drops out and Romney would have had the nomination and possibly the win.
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They do not like a politician that has sucked up to every National and local queer organization..Romney allowed their filthy homosexual books in the schools....He had the Boy Scouts banned from the Olympics on the urging of these freaks. Southerners do not vote for a queer lover, a liar who changes his positon on abortion and a promoter of socialistic health care. This smooth talking liberal is not fooling conservatives. Most of this information was gleamed from the Boston Globe.
Got news for you troll. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere cause most here are not buying what you are selling.
You do know the founder of massresistance is certifiable and gay right?
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1. There is a difference between supporting gay rights and gay marriage. Romney has supported gay rights, but not gay marriage. In fact, he is on the record opposing gay marriage during his 2002 campaign and when he testified before congress to pass a federal marriage amendment in 2005.
2. I am not a troll, I seek to engage in a civil debate. My position on gay marriage happens to be the same as Romney's; I believe that homosexuallity is a way of life that should not be encouraged, but not discriminated against either. I support the federal marriage amendment, but I also support the rights of states to establish civil unions. Romney has the same stance. As for the boy scouts thing, I read an article from 2000 about that, but there was no mention of Romney in the article.
The super super super majority in Boston stopped him from placing gay marriage on the ballot. They knew that had it gone on the ballot it would have passed as MA is a heavily Catholic populated state.
Honestly, I went round after round after round trying to post facts about Romney on FR to counter all the massresistance nonsense, but it just isn't worth it. Romney would carry moderates easily. He is a good man - honest as the day is long. Not a single skeleton in his closet (and Kennedy did his best to find one).
He wins the nomination, he has a very good shot at winning. That said, it is early -- way early. I have no idea who I am going to support yet.
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1. There is a difference between supporting gay rights and gay marriage. Romney has supported gay rights, but not gay marriage. In fact, he is on the record opposing gay marriage during his 2002 campaign and when he testified before congress to pass a federal marriage amendment in 2005.
2. I am not a troll, I seek to engage in a civil debate. My position on gay marriage happens to be the same as Romney's; I believe that homosexuallity is a way of life that should not be encouraged, but not discriminated against either. I support the federal marriage amendment, but I also support the rights of states to establish civil unions. Romney has the same stance. As for the boy scouts thing, I read an article from 2000 about that, but there was no mention of Romney in the article.
Let me help you out since you seem to be incapable of how to use google....type Boston Globe Boy Scouts not allowed at the Olympics.......second and third thread down from the top...Romney on Gays & Gov Rick Perry vs Romney on B.S. vs Homos.
You believe children should be schooled on homosexuality. See, shit like that will not fly down South. You can slick Romney all up but he has no chance of winning once his record of abortion, social liberalism and MA health care is out in the open.
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Romney to Keynote Boy Scouts of America 100th Anniversary Dinner
January 15th, 2010 11:27 amAuthor: Aaron Gundy
Next month in Grand Rapids, The Boy Scouts of America will host a dinner celebrating 100 years of scouting and their record 2009 ‘Eagle Scout’ and ‘Silver Award’ Class. The BSA has invited former Gov. Mitt Romney to be the keynote speaker at the ‘Building Character’ celebration.
http://mittromneycentral.com/2010/01/15/romney-to-keynote-boy-scouts-of-america-100th-anniversary-dinner/
More on that:
http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/front_page/jay_sekulow_responds_to_boy_sc.php
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Let me help you out since you seem to be incapable of how to use google....type Boston Globe Boy Scouts not allowed at the Olympics.......second and third thread down from the top...Romney on Gays & Gov Rick Perry vs Romney on B.S. vs Homos.
You believe children should be schooled on homosexuality. See, shit like that will not fly down South. You can slick Romney all up but he has no chance of winning once his record of abortion, social liberalism and MA health care is out in the open.
1. I constantly am on google, thank you very much.
2. I do not like Romneycare, nor do I like the fact that he has changed positions on abortion. That being said, he has never supported gay marriage. I never said on this forum he has my vote.
3. So, you know what my positions are now. Let me tell you my view; I do not have an issue with civil unions. I do, however, oppose gay marriage on the basis that marriage is between one man and one woman. I also oppose gay adoption.
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I am open ears, tell me who I should be voting for in 2012.
Its too soon. Wayyy, way too soon. Unless pure speculation is the coin of the realm here. Anything can and usually does happen this far out from the elections. You might wanna park that horse back into the barn for the moment there Andy.
I believe that homosexuallity is a way of life that should not be encouraged, but not discriminated against either.
Discriminated against? Are you implying that we "discriminate" now? If so, how?
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Maybe because he failed, he became a "numbers" guy after? Was he like many, who relied on the research of others, then recited it chapter and verse his constituents, only to end up looking foolish? Did he then decide that if he was going to recite C & V, then he needed to be doing his own homework, rather than to rely on the work of others?
I don't know the answers, or trying to be snarky.
It's fine, Deb.
Romney, for years now, has always prided himself on his "business" prowess and when he's called to talk business finance he's generally done well - ergo, his reputation for having keen business acumen.
I'd say he can get lost in the numbers, so like all astute politicians, he's going to have his advisers "advise" him on issues. But he'll get the major stuff down so he doesn't look like an idiot during a debate.
His business sense is one of the premises he ran on during the primaries and that is the principal reason he was "invited" to "save" the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City when no "saving" needed to have been done. You might recall that a couple of guys on the Salt Lake Olympic Committee got caught up in a "scandal" that, oddly enough, exists every time there's an Olympics and were shitcanned from the Committee at the 11th hour 59th minute. Here comes Romney, riding to the rescue. :whatever:
Romney's like a blister - he shows up when the work is done.
Pretty boys do that, you know.
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1. I constantly am on google, thank you very much.
2. I do not like Romneycare, nor do I like the fact that he has changed positions on abortion. That being said, he has never supported gay marriage. I never said on this forum he has my vote.
3. So, you know what my positions are now. Let me tell you my view; I do not have an issue with civil unions. I do, however, oppose gay marriage on the basis that marriage is between one man and one woman. I also oppose gay adoption.
Well, it might be time to flat-out state who has your vote. You're doing a marvelous job of pimping Romney, even though there doesn't appear to be a great deal of starstruck idolatry exhibited toward him on this forum - maybe in Utah, but not here.
Are you related to Romney in any way?
Why are you pimping him?
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Its too soon. Wayyy, way too soon. Unless pure speculation is the coin of the realm here. Anything can and usually does happen this far out from the elections. You might wanna park that horse back into the barn for the moment there Andy.
Discriminated against? Are you implying that we "discriminate" now? If so, how?
No, I am not implying we discriminate against gays. Let me be honest; I am not comfortable with homosexuality. Homosexuals are not always bad people, but I do not believe the lord intended for mankind to have homosexuality. That being said, I do not dislike gays and I support civil unions because they are gods children none the less.
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Well, it might be time to flat-out state who has your vote. You're doing a marvelous job of pimping Romney, even though there doesn't appear to be a great deal of starstruck idolatry exhibited toward him on this forum - maybe in Utah, but not here.
Are you related to Romney in any way?
Why are you pimping him?
If Romney, Gingrich, Thune, Bachmann, Pence, Pawlenty, Cain, Santorum, Daniels, Bolton, Kempthrone, or anyone who isn't Palin or Paul wins the GOP nomination, I want them to win the general election. My point is, Romney is an acceptable nominee for conservative voters.
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If Romney, Gingrich, Thune, Bachmann, Pence, Pawlenty, Cain, Santorum, Daniels, Bolton, Kempthrone, or anyone who isn't Palin or Paul wins the GOP nomination, I want them to win the general election. My point is, Romney is an acceptable nominee for conservative voters.
Speak for yourself. Romney is an acceptable nominee for YOU. Others may not vote in the general election or may hold their nose to vote.
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Don't take my word for it, believe the folks who supported Romney for President in 2008 including;
- The National Review
- Sen. Judd Greg (R-NH)
- Liz Cheney
- Sheriff Joe Aprio (R-AZ)
- Niki Haley (R-SC)
- Former Governor of Missouri Matt Blunt
- Sean Hannity
It does not matter who is supporting him. He flipflops on abortion, and his healthcare plan forces people to purchase a commodity, something a government has never before demanded of its people and sets a dangerous precedent. The precedent is that a government could mandate people to purchase commodities from firms who donate to certain politicians. That would be a form of corporatism, or what we used to call fascism (which is by no means right wing).
The best solutions to healthcare is to allow cross state insurance and get the government out of it as much as possible.
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Romney's plan:
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2006/04/the-significance-of-massachusetts-health-reform
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If Romney, Gingrich, Thune, Bachmann, Pence, Pawlenty, Cain, Santorum, Daniels, Bolton, Kempthrone, or anyone who isn't Palin or Paul wins the GOP nomination, I want them to win the general election. My point is, Romney is an acceptable nominee for conservative voters.
You failed to answer the question, so I'll ask again:
Are you related to Romney in some way?
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My point is, Romney is an acceptable nominee for conservative voters.
Mitt Rommel is the Republican John Kerry, and has less chance of winning than Mr Heinz ever did because he would split the GOP base.
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Mitt Rommel is the Republican John Kerry, and has less chance of winning than Mr Heinz ever did because he would split the GOP base.
This is why the democrat news media want Romney to be our candidate. Just as they wanted McVain to be our candidate.
Good strategy ... for them. It worked last time ...
Got any other ideas about how we can lose the next election "theconservative"?
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It seems to me, it's always the conservatives are the ones who are forced to "take one for the team". Perhaps it's time for the moderates to vote for the conservative. People want a leader, not a mealy-mouthed nothing.
In the end, the search for ideological purity leads to failure. Governor Reagan signed an abortion bill, although his reasons are unknown to me. People change. Some sincerely, other pragmatically. It's important to be able to detect the difference and vote accordingly.
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Romney's plan:
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2006/04/the-significance-of-massachusetts-health-reform
It raises costs and any dunce can see that. Hope you like your MA health insurance cause it is going to keep going up and up and up and up because of expanded coverage. More people insured means somebody has to pay for it. BTW, the government could not run a whore house efficiently.
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It raises costs and any dunce can see that. Hope you like your MA health insurance cause it is going to keep going up and up and up and up because of expanded coverage. More people insured means somebody has to pay for it. BTW, the government could not run a whore house efficiently.
What the plan is today is nothing what Romney proposed and/or supported. It should not be referred to as Romneycare.
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What the plan is today is nothing what Romney proposed and/or supported. It should not be referred to as Romneycare.
Why not? He is the one that started a Government plan for health that expanded coverage. Like I said, more people covered equals more costs. That is what is happening in MA.
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Why not? He is the one that started a Government plan for health that expanded coverage. Like I said, more people covered equals more costs. That is what is happening in MA.
Yeah, once you put something like that in motion, its going to stick to your name, no matter whether it turns out as you intended or not.
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Yeah, once you put something like that in motion, its going to stick to your name, no matter whether it turns out as you intended or not.
I will never vote for ANYONE that individually mandated or voted for government health care like Mitt Romney has done. He could swear on a stack of bibles, he was against it now and I would still have a hard time believing him.
I am on Medicare and Health Care is my number 1 issue. Because of Obamacare, I was not allowed to keep my 5 star coverage this year due these asshole politicans meddling in health care. I was required to accept a friggin Medicare Advantage HMO this year.
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I will never vote for ANYONE that individually mandated or voted for government health care like Mitt Romney has done. He could swear on a stack of bibles, he was against it now and I would still have a hard time believing him.
I am on Medicare and Health Care is my number 1 issue. Because of Obamacare, I was not allowed to keep my 5 star coverage this year due these asshole politicans meddling in health care. I was required to accept a friggin Medicare Advantage HMO this year.
I am genuinely sorry to hear that.