Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-19-10 08:33 PM
Original message
Chavez backs Iran 'under any circumstances'
Visiting Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez vowed on Tuesday to back ally Tehran "under any circumstances," as his Iranian counterpart praised Caracas for fighting sanctions against the Islamic republic.
"Venezuela will remain alongside Iran under any circumstances," Chavez, who is on his ninth visit to the Iran, told President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during a meeting, according to the presidency website.
"Venezuela seriously considers cooperation with Iran as a holy matter," he said, adding that "independent nations" can join forces to "strengthen our power in facing imperialists."
Chavez has been trying to bolster his international standing as he continues to spar openly with the United States, an arch-foe of Iran.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101019/wl_afp/iranvenezue...
iandhr (715 posts) Tue Oct-19-10 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. why they talk about wiping another country off the map
And are run by bat shit crazy people
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-19-10 09:41 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #6
7. Who are you talking about? Israel or Colombia?
Iran doesn't run the largest open air prison in the world and the largest mass graves on the American continent weren't found in Venezuela.
proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 03:25 AM
Response to Reply #7
20. They just hang gays and stone women to death.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 02:22 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #20
36. Well, we execute innocent people and bomb civilian villages.
Does that make you feel better?
The problem with dissing Iran is that our high horse has shrunk considerably.
Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #7
26. its just like your support for Chavez no matter what
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 02:25 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #26
38. I support the sovereignty of democratically elected governments in Latin America, yes, I do.
Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. do you support Iran unconditionally like your hero Hugo??
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 03:08 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #41
42. What part of supporting democracy in Latin America is unclear to you?
Have a nice day.
sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #7
29. So let me get this straight, if you think Chavez is an asshole,
you must be in favor of large prisons and mass graves, did I get that right? Do you ever do anything but deflect attention on Chavez threads/
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 02:23 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #29
37. I'm not deflecting attention in any way. The OP is still there.
But you can't really tar him with Iran when our own choice of allies is just as unsavory if not worse.
leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #7
32. Chavez is standing with a government that hangs their gays - you sound like you're okay with that.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 02:18 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #32
33. I was actually pointing out the hypocrisy on skates of damning Iran when our so called allies engage in behavior that is similar or worse. Somewhere around here there are statistics for rape of Palestinians in Israeli jails but that would likely get the thread locked.
leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #33
44. But that's not what the thread is about
All you were trying to do is derail the topic by using the "look over there" method that is so popular with republicans. It put you in the position of having to defend a regime that held a dirty vote, jailed the protesters of that vote, a country that hangs its gays (when it isn't denying they exist in the first place). All because you have a soft spot for Chavez.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 03:59 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #44
48. Oh, that's exactly what this thread is about. Damning Chavez for supporting Iran. That isn't "look over there", that's putting the context back that this article tries to strip away.
And, btw, you did hear about the FBI raids on peace activists in several states, right?
leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. The post was about Chavez and Iran
YOu have now tried to change the subject to Colombia, Israel and now the United States and you claim to not trying to change the subject. Thanks for the chuckle.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 04:45 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #51
52. The article tries to isolate Chavez by cherrypicking.
The laugh is on anyone who falls for this kind of thing.
leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. Then use that argument
Stick to the issue. Otherwise it just looks like you're trying to deflect.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 05:07 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #53
54. If I were trying to deflect, I'd go out into our record and stay there.
I don't think I have. Tying that back to this article, which is a template for most attacks on Chavez in our media, is the point.
ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 07:58 AM
Response to Reply #21
25. "Nuclear attack"?
"Simply spouting polemic", "Perspective requires information not propaganda"....
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 02:29 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #25
39. Didn't Hillary Clinton assert that she would have no problem blowing Iran to Kingdom?
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-19-10 09:44 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Original message
8. This article is funny. There's nothing wrong with Chavez's international standing except in the transparent hit pieces of the American media.
Zax2me (168 posts) Tue Oct-19-10 09:52 PM
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10. He sounds like some people/friends I know...
Who support Chavez himself - under any circumstances.
Both would do well to discriminate a little more, and refrain from blanket statements that leave little room for debate or thought.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-19-10 10:16 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #10
12. US blanket support for the Saudis, for Colombia, for Israel, fine.
Obama and Hillary's surrogates have called Colombia our best friend in Latin America -- Colombia, who has the second largest number of internally displaced people in the world and whose ex-president is implicated in wiretapping his opposition, the judiciary, in setting right wing paramilitaries and their chainsaws on the Colombian people. Best friends!
Chavez's support for Iran, bad.
Not much "thought" is required to sniff out the self serving hypocrisy in these positions.
Zax2me (168 posts) Tue Oct-19-10 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. No, not at all.
It's not hypocrisy. I don't own US policy on other countries, and do leave room to criticize when necessary - including the current admin. However, that wasn't what this news story was about at all.
Have to be careful not to excuse bad behavior by pointing to bad behavior. That can lead you down a path of defending something that is indefensible.
However, given that this is going to happen here anyway, and now has, I'll leave the remainder of the thread to those who wish to reply to the story at hand - and others who wish to debate the current admins foreign policy.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 02:19 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #14
34. It is absolutely hypocrisy.
LTX (279 posts) Wed Oct-20-10 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #12
27. So in short,
You find theocracies with rigged elections and draconian laws targeting women and gays to be admirable and worthy of unmitigated support. Interesting.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 02:20 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #27
35. That's your conclusion, not mine.
It would be nice if more people availed themselves of the basic logic courses widely available for free on the intertubes.
LTX (279 posts) Wed Oct-20-10 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #35
40. It may be hypocritical for a criminal to decry criminality, but it isn't illogical.
You should learn the distinction.
MellowDem (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 06:06 PM
Response to Original message
55. How many excuses...
can some DUers give this guy? It's so predictable anymore. All they do is try to change the subject to the US. Sorry Chavez lovers, your deity is fallible and his ideology is not pure. Not a big suprise there. Just take it as a lesson that there are no ideologically pure supermen in this world.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-20-10 06:28 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #55
57. Excuses for what? For exerting sovereignty?
Sorry, you can't really shake the utter hypocrisy of these articles unless you are willfully ignorant.
And these claims of hero worship and purity are just silly straw men.
I can't believe you have a crush on such a stupid woman Frank. :(
Oh, but Doug's stupid ex-wife and I go back a long time. A really long time.
Time breeds fondness, which is why I'm always bending over backwards so as to not make her look bad.
LOL, it's so hard for her to not look bad though.
Oh, but Doug's stupid ex-wife and I go back a long time. A really long time.
Time breeds fondness, which is why I'm always bending over backwards so as to not make her look bad.
Zax2me (168 posts)
Have to be careful not to excuse bad behavior by pointing to bad behavior. That can lead you down a path of defending something that is indefensible.
Frank is the true definition of a gentleman,he seeks to not just see but to bring out the very best in every person.
Beth is still as stupid as a football bat though.
Wonder if new DUmmy of the year candidate Grayson is married...they would be perfect together.
.....it ended with her infuritating use of "LOL," which grates on me every time.
Doug's stupid ex-wife does that a lot; it's like a nervous tic, this "LOL" thing.
Please notice, madam, that when I bring over her comments, I scrub the "LOL"s because they make Doug's stupid ex-wife look bad.
If nothing else, Doug's stupid ex-wife could at least consider me a gentleman, for hiding that blemish of hers.
frank, I'm truly interested in why in the world you would hold a torch for a "woman" that has not your best interests at heart! I was part of the Scamdy thing, and she sure as hell didn't have a lot of nice things to say about your person!
I apologize if this is a sore subject, and if you do not wish to post, I will understand.
I like to be abused by women.
No, really, that's not it.
Doug's stupid ex-wife presents a near-unsurmountable challenge to my Pollyannish view of peoplle (seeing only the good in them), and by God, I fully intend to turn that woman around.
It's a challenge. We all like challenges.
Uh Coach, I think maybe ya need to come out here and go fishin'!
After 37 years of "marital bliss", I can tell ya, some women, especially lefties, cannot be saved! As a matter of fact, some of 'em are downright dangerous! hehehehe
Well, it's true Doug's stupid ex-wife isn't what she used to be, seeing as how she's to turn 55 years old in six weeks.
Oh no, please don't tell me that we share the same birthday? when's her birthday? seems like we're both Sagittarius.
It's some time between December 1 and December 5; it's been a while since I looked it up.
1955.
Well, it's true Doug's stupid ex-wife isn't what she used to be, seeing as how she's to turn 55 years old in six weeks.
She's put on some poundage, lardage, and the drugs she takes make her look puffy.
But I'll never forget the first time I saw a photograph of her, taken in the mid-1990s, when she was still thin and lithe and glowing and sharp; and along with her northern Mediterraneac features, there were her long slender fingers and a wonderful aquiline honker.
Being a romantic, franksolich tends to see women as they were, or are, at their best, no matter the passage of time and erosion of age and addition of flab. The wife of the guy who used to mow the grass here, for example, is 82 years old, wrinkly, and circa 300 pounds--but I still see her as she was in 1944, an exquisitely fine young woman.
I know. I'm odd. But one can't help being the way one is.
Well, it's true Doug's stupid ex-wife isn't what she used to be, seeing as how she's to turn 55 years old in six weeks.
To each his own, but the last time I checked, nobody has figured out how to turn lead in to gold.
To each his own, but the last time I checked, nobody has figured out how to turn lead in to gold.