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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2008 => Topic started by: DixieBelle on March 26, 2008, 09:18:13 AM
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INDIANAPOLIS (AP) ― The college student who got a stinging brushback from Chelsea Clinton when he asked about her mother's handling of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, said Wednesday he is a Clinton supporter who was simply trying to give her daughter an opportunity to show people "what makes Hillary so strong."
Evan Strange, a Butler University student who also works on the school's newspaper, The Butler Collegian, said he had asked Chelsea Clinton at her appearance Tuesday at the school for her opinion "on the criticism of her mother that how she handled the Lewinsky scandal might be a sign of weakness and she might not be a strong enough candidate to be president."
It wasn't clear what aspect of the former first lady's actions he was referring to. Before she was fully aware of President Bill Clinton's relationship with Lewinsky, a White House intern, Hillary Rodham Clinton said the allegations about that relationship were manufactured by a "vast right-wing conspiracy."
Strange's question brought a stinging rebuke from Clinton's daughter. "Wow, you're the first person actually that's ever asked me that question in the, I don't know maybe, 70 college campuses I've now been to, and I do not think that is any of your business," Chelsea Clinton said during the campaign visit for her mother.
"I'm a supporter of Hillary. I love Hillary," Strange said Wednesday on CBS' "The Early Show." He said he asked the question because his friends "always bring up that scandal. It's not something I asked to cause trouble but to show those people what makes Hillary so strong."
He said that by brushing him off, Chelsea Clinton missed an opportunity to show her mother's strength.
"I was very surprised" at the rebuke, Strange said. "I can see where she'd get a little defensive because of the question and hearing Lewinsky over and over again, but I would like to hear her say something about Hillary rather than dismissing the question."
http://wcbstv.com/politics/chelsea.clinton.monica.2.685012.html
VIDEO OF THE EXCHANGE - http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/25/video-chelsea-gets-the-monica-question/
I'm kind of on the fence here. On one hand, I felt sorry for Chelsea. She was a kid when the scandal happened and she's not responsible for what her parents do. But on the other hand, she is out campaigning for her mother and it was a serious question. Bill's actions made it a public issue and a legal one. At that point, all bets were off. And if Hillary wants to tout her "experience" as the reason she deserves to be president, then she should expect these types of questions.
And given that Chelsea said he was the first person to ever ask, it's not like she's sick of repeating the answer. She could have been a little more tactful while still defending her mother. Of course I have the advantage of seeing it as an outsider. But people are fickle and judgemental and nosey. That's part of running for office. A wittier, nicer reply may win over people. And Hillary needs all the help she can get at this point.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
:werd: Someone should ask her about the fact that the Clinton Scandal (I REFUSE to call it the Lewinksy Scandal because he's the perpetrator. But yet, there are so many Clinton Scandals....Okay back on topic) affected an entire generation's beliefs about sexual "relations", telling the truth and faithfulness. It's no accident that young adults/teens today are having more unprotected sex and stopping short of calling it what it is or taking precautions. Oy. :thatsright:
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
It is a huge elephant in every room both mrs.. clinton and her daughter go into. It goes to character and ability to see and speak the truth. We all know mrs. clinton lied mis-spoke in her book about her shocked SHOCKED reaction to her serial philanderer husband's infidelity.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
:werd: Someone should ask her about the fact that the Clinton Scandal (I REFUSE to call it the Lewinksy Scandal because he's the perpetrator. But yet, there are so many Clinton Scandals....Okay back on topic) affected an entire generation's beliefs about sexual "relations", telling the truth and faithfulness. It's no accident that young adults/teens today are having more unprotected sex and stopping short of calling it what it is or taking precautions. Oy. :thatsright:
that whole thing is rippling through a generation of morally shattered young people.
I actually overheard an argument in which both of the participants were 20 something females over whether "a lewinsky" was considered "sex". the idea, of course, is that the second it isn't "sex", it is immediately and totally "de-stigmatized" (if you will), and a little oral fun whenever the opportunity arises ( :thatsright: no pun intended) is the moral equivalent of going to the malt shop.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
It is a huge elephant in every room both mrs.. clinton and her daughter go into. It goes to character and ability to see and speak the truth. We all know mrs. clinton lied mis-spoke in her book about her shocked SHOCKED reaction to her serial philanderer husband's infidelity.
yeah, it is, but it's not the point in this particular instance as I see it. if that kid had been raised in a culture that hadn't been stood on it's head morally, he would have never in a million years made a reference to that particular activity to a young lady, especially in public.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
:werd: Someone should ask her about the fact that the Clinton Scandal (I REFUSE to call it the Lewinksy Scandal because he's the perpetrator. But yet, there are so many Clinton Scandals....Okay back on topic) affected an entire generation's beliefs about sexual "relations", telling the truth and faithfulness. It's no accident that young adults/teens today are having more unprotected sex and stopping short of calling it what it is or taking precautions. Oy. :thatsright:
that whole thing is rippling through a generation of morally shattered young people.
I actually overheard an argument in which both of the participants were 20 something females over whether "a lewinsky" was considered "sex". the idea, of course, is that the second it isn't "sex", it is immediately and totally "de-stigmatized" (if you will), and a little oral fun whenever the opportunity arises ( :thatsright: no pun intended) is the moral equivalent of going to the malt shop.
I was born 25 years too late ;)
(not really, I actually find the complete amorality of kids today to be quite terrible)
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
:werd: Someone should ask her about the fact that the Clinton Scandal (I REFUSE to call it the Lewinksy Scandal because he's the perpetrator. But yet, there are so many Clinton Scandals....Okay back on topic) affected an entire generation's beliefs about sexual "relations", telling the truth and faithfulness. It's no accident that young adults/teens today are having more unprotected sex and stopping short of calling it what it is or taking precautions. Oy. :thatsright:
that whole thing is rippling through a generation of morally shattered young people.
I actually overheard an argument in which both of the participants were 20 something females over whether "a lewinsky" was considered "sex". the idea, of course, is that the second it isn't "sex", it is immediately and totally "de-stigmatized" (if you will), and a little oral fun whenever the opportunity arises ( :thatsright: no pun intended) is the moral equivalent of going to the malt shop.
I was born 25 years too late ;)
(not really, I actually find the complete amorality of kids today to be quite terrible)
it's much, much worse than mere amorality. there is an obvious desire to avoid clearly immoral behavior, but an absolute inability to identify it. this is a very different, and much more troubling thing.
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I'm confused about the outrage at the "Clinton scandal", when some posters here were recently defending men who cheat as victims of their wives' lack of attention and affection. Just judging from what I see of Hillary publicly, I can well imagine she was far more involved in her own interests while Bill was President than she was in "taking care of her man's needs". So, doesn't this mean she is to blame for what he did????
Not my position, but it was a sentiment stated here not so long ago.
As for Chelsea's response, I was a little disappointed. When the news teaser came on CNN about "wait 'til you hear what Chelsea said to earn a round of applause", and then I heard the question, I was really waiting for her to come up with something awesome to make Hillary look like, well, the impossible: a woman of substance.
On second thought, Chelsea really had nothing to work with, so her respose is the best she could do under the circumstances.
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I felt more sorry for Chelsea then Hillary during the Monicagate or whatever you call it. She didn't pick her father OR her mother who knew from the very beginning what a cad Bill was. That was a stupid question. Better question, why did her mother lie about being under enemy fire in Bosnia while Chelsea was there?
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I don't feel sorry for Chelsea. She responded in the typical arrogant Clinton manner. They are all cut from the same cloth. The Clintons are a giant skid mark on this country and the sooner Hillary is defeated by Obama the better off we will all be. :censored: :censored:
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I don't feel sorry for Chelsea. She responded in the typical arrogant Clinton manner. They are all cut from the same cloth. The Clintons are a giant skid mark on this country and the sooner Hillary is defeated by McCain the better off we will all be. :censored: :censored:
Fixt.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
what is wrong with the question that was asked of Chelsie? the guy asked, "does the monica issue affect your mom's credibility?" maybe chelsie is the wrong person to ask - but someone in that campaign better figure out the answer to it cause the people voting for her want to know.
it was a hillary supporter, supposedly. and when was politics ever considered a civilized sport?
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
:werd: Someone should ask her about the fact that the Clinton Scandal (I REFUSE to call it the Lewinksy Scandal because he's the perpetrator. But yet, there are so many Clinton Scandals....Okay back on topic) affected an entire generation's beliefs about sexual "relations", telling the truth and faithfulness. It's no accident that young adults/teens today are having more unprotected sex and stopping short of calling it what it is or taking precautions. Oy. :thatsright:
that whole thing is rippling through a generation of morally shattered young people.
I actually overheard an argument in which both of the participants were 20 something females over whether "a lewinsky" was considered "sex". the idea, of course, is that the second it isn't "sex", it is immediately and totally "de-stigmatized" (if you will), and a little oral fun whenever the opportunity arises ( :thatsright: no pun intended) is the moral equivalent of going to the malt shop.
I was born 25 years too late ;)
(not really, I actually find the complete amorality of kids today to be quite terrible)
it's much, much worse than mere amorality. there is an obvious desire to avoid clearly immoral behavior, but an absolute inability to identify it. this is a very different, and much more troubling thing.
hey, dont lump them all in together. a good portion of them are not having random sex, or doing drugs or any of the other stuff their leftie parents tell them is ok to experiment with.
even my little hippie mom across the street is finall figuring out that six year olds need discipline and parental guidance and .. that its not cool to teach your 2 year old son that "****" is a funny word..
i think the left is always at cross purposes with the world they live in; they want everyone to be free and peaceful, but to date they dont seem to realize that freedom and peace come from a discipline in society. its the public discussion that is difficult for them to participate in cause you cant let your little darlings run wild or they infringe on other's space.
its a hard thing to admit for them.. so they just dont.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
what is wrong with the question that was asked of Chelsie? the guy asked, "does the monica issue affect your mom's credibility?" maybe chelsie is the wrong person to ask - but someone in that campaign better figure out the answer to it cause the people voting for her want to know.
it was a hillary supporter, supposedly. and when was politics ever considered a civilized sport?
forget that it has anything to do with the clintons for a second.
this is one of those few times that i am leaving the political ramifications of an episode completely aside for a moment, and looking aghast at the social and cultural implications surrounding the fact that some young man someplace had the audacity to ask a young lady if her mother lost credibility because her husband got blown by someone.
c'mon. this is one of those times that there are deeper issues here than mere political utility.
in a better day and age, he would have gotten his ass kicked right there and then.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
:werd: Someone should ask her about the fact that the Clinton Scandal (I REFUSE to call it the Lewinksy Scandal because he's the perpetrator. But yet, there are so many Clinton Scandals....Okay back on topic) affected an entire generation's beliefs about sexual "relations", telling the truth and faithfulness. It's no accident that young adults/teens today are having more unprotected sex and stopping short of calling it what it is or taking precautions. Oy. :thatsright:
that whole thing is rippling through a generation of morally shattered young people.
I actually overheard an argument in which both of the participants were 20 something females over whether "a lewinsky" was considered "sex". the idea, of course, is that the second it isn't "sex", it is immediately and totally "de-stigmatized" (if you will), and a little oral fun whenever the opportunity arises ( :thatsright: no pun intended) is the moral equivalent of going to the malt shop.
I was born 25 years too late ;)
(not really, I actually find the complete amorality of kids today to be quite terrible)
it's much, much worse than mere amorality. there is an obvious desire to avoid clearly immoral behavior, but an absolute inability to identify it. this is a very different, and much more troubling thing.
hey, dont lump them all in together. a good portion of them are not having random sex, or doing drugs or any of the other stuff their leftie parents tell them is ok to experiment with.
even my little hippie mom across the street is finall figuring out that six year olds need discipline and parental guidance and .. that its not cool to teach your 2 year old son that "****" is a funny word..
i think the left is always at cross purposes with the world they live in; they want everyone to be free and peaceful, but to date they dont seem to realize that freedom and peace come from a discipline in society. its the public discussion that is difficult for them to participate in cause you cant let your little darlings run wild or they infringe on other's space.
its a hard thing to admit for them.. so they just dont.
have it your way. this generation of young people is infinitely more morally healthy for having grown up in the clinton era squalor.
(yeah, I know you didn't say that. but if you unfold it to it's logical extreme, it isn't that far off :-))
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
what is wrong with the question that was asked of Chelsie? the guy asked, "does the monica issue affect your mom's credibility?" maybe chelsie is the wrong person to ask - but someone in that campaign better figure out the answer to it cause the people voting for her want to know.
it was a hillary supporter, supposedly. and when was politics ever considered a civilized sport?
forget that it has anything to do with the clintons for a second.
this is one of those few times that i am leaving the political ramifications of an episode completely aside for a moment, and looking aghast at the social and cultural implications surrounding the fact that some young man someplace had the audacity to ask a young lady if her mother lost credibility because her husband got blown by someone.
c'mon. this is one of those times that there are deeper issues here than mere political utility.
in a better day and age, he would have gotten his ass kicked right there and then.
by who? he's a leftie :-)
maybe if he was a conservative asking crude questions of another conservative... but our politicians think we, the public, are fairly stupid and not plugged in. i hope Chelsie was rocked on her heels that even the people in her own party think her parents are not so swift. she's lived in a bubble just a little bit too long.
the guy wasnt vulgar or mean.. and her response was childish. if youre a spokesperson for the campaign, you dont tell the voters supporting you that its 'none of their business' .. especially when all Hilary talks about is her vetting and her experience and credibility. it deserves to be questioned.. aggressively.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
:werd: Someone should ask her about the fact that the Clinton Scandal (I REFUSE to call it the Lewinksy Scandal because he's the perpetrator. But yet, there are so many Clinton Scandals....Okay back on topic) affected an entire generation's beliefs about sexual "relations", telling the truth and faithfulness. It's no accident that young adults/teens today are having more unprotected sex and stopping short of calling it what it is or taking precautions. Oy. :thatsright:
that whole thing is rippling through a generation of morally shattered young people.
I actually overheard an argument in which both of the participants were 20 something females over whether "a lewinsky" was considered "sex". the idea, of course, is that the second it isn't "sex", it is immediately and totally "de-stigmatized" (if you will), and a little oral fun whenever the opportunity arises ( :thatsright: no pun intended) is the moral equivalent of going to the malt shop.
I was born 25 years too late ;)
(not really, I actually find the complete amorality of kids today to be quite terrible)
it's much, much worse than mere amorality. there is an obvious desire to avoid clearly immoral behavior, but an absolute inability to identify it. this is a very different, and much more troubling thing.
hey, dont lump them all in together. a good portion of them are not having random sex, or doing drugs or any of the other stuff their leftie parents tell them is ok to experiment with.
even my little hippie mom across the street is finall figuring out that six year olds need discipline and parental guidance and .. that its not cool to teach your 2 year old son that "****" is a funny word..
i think the left is always at cross purposes with the world they live in; they want everyone to be free and peaceful, but to date they dont seem to realize that freedom and peace come from a discipline in society. its the public discussion that is difficult for them to participate in cause you cant let your little darlings run wild or they infringe on other's space.
its a hard thing to admit for them.. so they just dont.
have it your way. this generation of young people is infinitely more morally healthy for having grown up in the clinton era squalor.
(yeah, I know you didn't say that. but if you unfold it to it's logical extreme, it isn't that far off :-))
nooo, thats not my point at all. my point is, even when hippies finally start having kids.. they realize the leftie ways just dont work.
they also realize that morals are something that is good to pass on, even if they are Democrats. i know lots of Dem parents here that are far more conservative than they want to admit, but they are. in fact, i think we are having a return to conservatism by the younger generation cause they dont like Hilary.. and now most of the kids I know who were so dazzled by Obama are now falling away from him.
the sad part is, they think McCain is too old but they generally like him more than Obama now. he seems stable and grandfatherly.. and that's easier to accept than a scheming woman or a liar african american.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
what is wrong with the question that was asked of Chelsie? the guy asked, "does the monica issue affect your mom's credibility?" maybe chelsie is the wrong person to ask - but someone in that campaign better figure out the answer to it cause the people voting for her want to know.
it was a hillary supporter, supposedly. and when was politics ever considered a civilized sport?
forget that it has anything to do with the clintons for a second.
this is one of those few times that i am leaving the political ramifications of an episode completely aside for a moment, and looking aghast at the social and cultural implications surrounding the fact that some young man someplace had the audacity to ask a young lady if her mother lost credibility because her husband got blown by someone.
c'mon. this is one of those times that there are deeper issues here than mere political utility.
in a better day and age, he would have gotten his ass kicked right there and then.
by who? he's a leftie :-)
maybe if he was a conservative asking crude questions of another conservative... but our politicians think we, the public, are fairly stupid and not plugged in. i hope Chelsie was rocked on her heels that even the people in her own party think her parents are not so swift. she's lived in a bubble just a little bit too long.
the guy wasnt vulgar or mean.. and her response was childish. if youre a spokesperson for the campaign, you dont tell the voters supporting you that its 'none of their business' .. especially when all Hilary talks about is her vetting and her experience and credibility. it deserves to be questioned.. aggressively.
ok, ya got me on the "by who" thing. I give ya that one. :wink:
but just for the sake of argument, and assuming that the highly unlikely eventuality that hillary is nominated actually comes to pass, I don't think we will beat her in the general election by aggressively questioning her daughter, or anyone else for that matter, on zippergate.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
what is wrong with the question that was asked of Chelsie? the guy asked, "does the monica issue affect your mom's credibility?" maybe chelsie is the wrong person to ask - but someone in that campaign better figure out the answer to it cause the people voting for her want to know.
it was a hillary supporter, supposedly. and when was politics ever considered a civilized sport?
forget that it has anything to do with the clintons for a second.
this is one of those few times that i am leaving the political ramifications of an episode completely aside for a moment, and looking aghast at the social and cultural implications surrounding the fact that some young man someplace had the audacity to ask a young lady if her mother lost credibility because her husband got blown by someone.
c'mon. this is one of those times that there are deeper issues here than mere political utility.
in a better day and age, he would have gotten his ass kicked right there and then.
by who? he's a leftie :-)
maybe if he was a conservative asking crude questions of another conservative... but our politicians think we, the public, are fairly stupid and not plugged in. i hope Chelsie was rocked on her heels that even the people in her own party think her parents are not so swift. she's lived in a bubble just a little bit too long.
the guy wasnt vulgar or mean.. and her response was childish. if youre a spokesperson for the campaign, you dont tell the voters supporting you that its 'none of their business' .. especially when all Hilary talks about is her vetting and her experience and credibility. it deserves to be questioned.. aggressively.
Kind of what I thought as well. I thought Chelsea was the innocent given that she was a child and not responsible for her parent's actions. But if said parents are going to put her on the campaign trail, then people are going to excercise their right to free speech. Was it tasteless or classless? That's not really at issue. For me, it's the fact that Hillary went on national TV to deny Bill's affairs and publicly labeled it all a vast right wing conspiracy. Sorry, you don't get to pick and choose what parts of your "co-presidency" are up for debate. Perhaps he should have asked Chelsea how that VWRC angle worked out. :-)
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
what is wrong with the question that was asked of Chelsie? the guy asked, "does the monica issue affect your mom's credibility?" maybe chelsie is the wrong person to ask - but someone in that campaign better figure out the answer to it cause the people voting for her want to know.
it was a hillary supporter, supposedly. and when was politics ever considered a civilized sport?
forget that it has anything to do with the clintons for a second.
this is one of those few times that i am leaving the political ramifications of an episode completely aside for a moment, and looking aghast at the social and cultural implications surrounding the fact that some young man someplace had the audacity to ask a young lady if her mother lost credibility because her husband got blown by someone.
c'mon. this is one of those times that there are deeper issues here than mere political utility.
in a better day and age, he would have gotten his ass kicked right there and then.
by who? he's a leftie :-)
maybe if he was a conservative asking crude questions of another conservative... but our politicians think we, the public, are fairly stupid and not plugged in. i hope Chelsie was rocked on her heels that even the people in her own party think her parents are not so swift. she's lived in a bubble just a little bit too long.
the guy wasnt vulgar or mean.. and her response was childish. if youre a spokesperson for the campaign, you dont tell the voters supporting you that its 'none of their business' .. especially when all Hilary talks about is her vetting and her experience and credibility. it deserves to be questioned.. aggressively.
Kind of what I thought as well. I thought Chelsea was the innocent given that she was a child and not responsible for her parent's actions. But if said parents are going to put her on the campaign trail, then people are going to excercise their right to free speech. Was it tasteless or classless? That's not really at issue. For me, it's the fact that Hillary went on national TV to deny Bill's affairs and publicly labeled it all a vast right wing conspiracy. Sorry, you don't get to pick and choose what parts of your "co-presidency" are up for debate. Perhaps he should have asked Chelsea how that VWRC angle worked out. :-)
ok, hypothetical question (and being a hypothetical question, you aren't allowed to disagree with the hypothesis :-)); what if it wasn't a clinton, and wasn't part of a presidential campaign, and we didn't all hate the parents?
NOW what do you think of the question?
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Let's ask you.
How would you feel about your dad getting his penis sucked by the neighbor lady?
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
what is wrong with the question that was asked of Chelsie? the guy asked, "does the monica issue affect your mom's credibility?" maybe chelsie is the wrong person to ask - but someone in that campaign better figure out the answer to it cause the people voting for her want to know.
it was a hillary supporter, supposedly. and when was politics ever considered a civilized sport?
forget that it has anything to do with the clintons for a second.
this is one of those few times that i am leaving the political ramifications of an episode completely aside for a moment, and looking aghast at the social and cultural implications surrounding the fact that some young man someplace had the audacity to ask a young lady if her mother lost credibility because her husband got blown by someone.
c'mon. this is one of those times that there are deeper issues here than mere political utility.
in a better day and age, he would have gotten his ass kicked right there and then.
by who? he's a leftie :-)
maybe if he was a conservative asking crude questions of another conservative... but our politicians think we, the public, are fairly stupid and not plugged in. i hope Chelsie was rocked on her heels that even the people in her own party think her parents are not so swift. she's lived in a bubble just a little bit too long.
the guy wasnt vulgar or mean.. and her response was childish. if youre a spokesperson for the campaign, you dont tell the voters supporting you that its 'none of their business' .. especially when all Hilary talks about is her vetting and her experience and credibility. it deserves to be questioned.. aggressively.
ok, ya got me on the "by who" thing. I give ya that one. :wink:
but just for the sake of argument, and assuming that the highly unlikely eventuality that hillary is nominated actually comes to pass, I don't think we will beat her in the general election by aggressively questioning her daughter, or anyone else for that matter, on zippergate.
but you keep missing this one key point; we didnt ask her this .. someone in her own party asked it. one of her own supporters.
they want to know if she can be more ethical and apparently, she and her campaign choose not to answer that.
i think it must speak volumes about her credibility to her supporters out there that they will not answer it.
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Let's ask you.
How would you feel about your dad getting his penis sucked by the neighbor lady?
You go into public life, your life is at issue. So sad, too bad. If you don't want questions like that, don't go into politics.
Either mrs. clinton lied about not knowing bubba was a serial philanderer their entire marriage OR she is the dumbest woman on the planet. In either case, it is at issue. And if you campaign for her, you have to deal with that issue.
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your opinion.
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your opinion.
And an accurate analysis. And what dripping irony that the clintons are crying "foul" for someone (on their side) stooping to uncovering dirt.
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i think the left is always at cross purposes with the world they live in; they want everyone to be free and peaceful, but to date they dont seem to realize that freedom and peace come from a discipline in society.
Bingo!
Freedom is good........ to a point. Too much freedom isn't freedom at all, it's anarchy. Libs in general can't seem to grasp this simple concept.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
what is wrong with the question that was asked of Chelsie? the guy asked, "does the monica issue affect your mom's credibility?" maybe chelsie is the wrong person to ask - but someone in that campaign better figure out the answer to it cause the people voting for her want to know.
it was a hillary supporter, supposedly. and when was politics ever considered a civilized sport?
forget that it has anything to do with the clintons for a second.
this is one of those few times that i am leaving the political ramifications of an episode completely aside for a moment, and looking aghast at the social and cultural implications surrounding the fact that some young man someplace had the audacity to ask a young lady if her mother lost credibility because her husband got blown by someone.
c'mon. this is one of those times that there are deeper issues here than mere political utility.
in a better day and age, he would have gotten his ass kicked right there and then.
by who? he's a leftie :-)
maybe if he was a conservative asking crude questions of another conservative... but our politicians think we, the public, are fairly stupid and not plugged in. i hope Chelsie was rocked on her heels that even the people in her own party think her parents are not so swift. she's lived in a bubble just a little bit too long.
the guy wasnt vulgar or mean.. and her response was childish. if youre a spokesperson for the campaign, you dont tell the voters supporting you that its 'none of their business' .. especially when all Hilary talks about is her vetting and her experience and credibility. it deserves to be questioned.. aggressively.
ok, ya got me on the "by who" thing. I give ya that one. :wink:
but just for the sake of argument, and assuming that the highly unlikely eventuality that hillary is nominated actually comes to pass, I don't think we will beat her in the general election by aggressively questioning her daughter, or anyone else for that matter, on zippergate.
but you keep missing this one key point; we didnt ask her this .. someone in her own party asked it. one of her own supporters.
they want to know if she can be more ethical and apparently, she and her campaign choose not to answer that.
i think it must speak volumes about her credibility to her supporters out there that they will not answer it.
I find the "we vs. they" question to be irrelevant to the larger point that I am making . . . (badly, apparently). :-)
we have bigger problems than the clintons themselves; it's the damage they have done to our culture as it pertains to our public discourse. the coarseness of our public discourse, if you will, especially on the subject of sex. I simply find this kid's question to be a symptom of that bigger problem.
I am NOT defending the clintons for heaven's sake. I'm just ignoring them, as themselves, for the moment. there is no sense in arguing over her credibility as it pertains to the particulars of the actual lewinsky event(s); yeah, she blamed republicans instead of the blowee. ok, gotcha. her judgment sucks as much as moni*ciough*ca, and that means that her credibility is for shit, too. I agree completely. but also not my point.
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Let's ask you.
How would you feel about your dad getting his penis sucked by the neighbor lady?
I have no idea for whom you intend this question, and I probably don't want to. suffice it to say that
dragging mothers and fathers into relatively abstract discussions is a really, really, really bad idea.
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Let's ask you.
How would you feel about your dad getting his penis sucked by the neighbor lady?
I have no idea for whom you intend this question, and I probably don't want to. suffice it to say that
dragging mothers and fathers into relatively abstract discussions is a really, really, really bad idea.
I disagree. See my #23.
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Let's ask you.
How would you feel about your dad getting his penis sucked by the neighbor lady?
I have no idea for whom you intend this question, and I probably don't want to. suffice it to say that
dragging mothers and fathers into relatively abstract discussions is a really, really, really bad idea.
I disagree. See my #23.
I read it. and as happens with some of your posts, I disagreed with most of the parts that I managed to understand. :whatever: :-)
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
I completely disagree, if she were a private person, sure, you would be right. But no, she is acting as just another PR flack, surrogate for her mother the same as Bill, stumping for Hillary, so she CANNOT expect to hide behind the persona of a wounded widdle kiddiekins at the same time she is campaigning as an advocate.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
I completely disagree, if she were a private person, sure, you would be right. But no, she is acting as just another PR flack, surrogate for her mother the same as Bill, stumping for Hillary, so she CANNOT expect to hide behind the persona of a wounded widdle kiddiekins at the same time she is campaigning as an advocate.
I agree. She is campaigning -- she is fair game.
She could however had answered the question with class. She chose not too. Like mother like daughter.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
what is wrong with the question that was asked of Chelsie? the guy asked, "does the monica issue affect your mom's credibility?" maybe chelsie is the wrong person to ask - but someone in that campaign better figure out the answer to it cause the people voting for her want to know.
it was a hillary supporter, supposedly. and when was politics ever considered a civilized sport?
forget that it has anything to do with the clintons for a second.
this is one of those few times that i am leaving the political ramifications of an episode completely aside for a moment, and looking aghast at the social and cultural implications surrounding the fact that some young man someplace had the audacity to ask a young lady if her mother lost credibility because her husband got blown by someone.
c'mon. this is one of those times that there are deeper issues here than mere political utility.
in a better day and age, he would have gotten his ass kicked right there and then.
by who? he's a leftie :-)
maybe if he was a conservative asking crude questions of another conservative... but our politicians think we, the public, are fairly stupid and not plugged in. i hope Chelsie was rocked on her heels that even the people in her own party think her parents are not so swift. she's lived in a bubble just a little bit too long.
the guy wasnt vulgar or mean.. and her response was childish. if youre a spokesperson for the campaign, you dont tell the voters supporting you that its 'none of their business' .. especially when all Hilary talks about is her vetting and her experience and credibility. it deserves to be questioned.. aggressively.
Kind of what I thought as well. I thought Chelsea was the innocent given that she was a child and not responsible for her parent's actions. But if said parents are going to put her on the campaign trail, then people are going to excercise their right to free speech. Was it tasteless or classless? That's not really at issue. For me, it's the fact that Hillary went on national TV to deny Bill's affairs and publicly labeled it all a vast right wing conspiracy. Sorry, you don't get to pick and choose what parts of your "co-presidency" are up for debate. Perhaps he should have asked Chelsea how that VWRC angle worked out. :-)
ok, hypothetical question (and being a hypothetical question, you aren't allowed to disagree with the hypothesis :-)); what if it wasn't a clinton, and wasn't part of a presidential campaign, and we didn't all hate the parents?
NOW what do you think of the question?
Doesn't matter. The minute they start campaigning they are fair game.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
what is wrong with the question that was asked of Chelsie? the guy asked, "does the monica issue affect your mom's credibility?" maybe chelsie is the wrong person to ask - but someone in that campaign better figure out the answer to it cause the people voting for her want to know.
it was a hillary supporter, supposedly. and when was politics ever considered a civilized sport?
forget that it has anything to do with the clintons for a second.
this is one of those few times that i am leaving the political ramifications of an episode completely aside for a moment, and looking aghast at the social and cultural implications surrounding the fact that some young man someplace had the audacity to ask a young lady if her mother lost credibility because her husband got blown by someone.
c'mon. this is one of those times that there are deeper issues here than mere political utility.
in a better day and age, he would have gotten his ass kicked right there and then.
by who? he's a leftie :-)
maybe if he was a conservative asking crude questions of another conservative... but our politicians think we, the public, are fairly stupid and not plugged in. i hope Chelsie was rocked on her heels that even the people in her own party think her parents are not so swift. she's lived in a bubble just a little bit too long.
the guy wasnt vulgar or mean.. and her response was childish. if youre a spokesperson for the campaign, you dont tell the voters supporting you that its 'none of their business' .. especially when all Hilary talks about is her vetting and her experience and credibility. it deserves to be questioned.. aggressively.
Kind of what I thought as well. I thought Chelsea was the innocent given that she was a child and not responsible for her parent's actions. But if said parents are going to put her on the campaign trail, then people are going to excercise their right to free speech. Was it tasteless or classless? That's not really at issue. For me, it's the fact that Hillary went on national TV to deny Bill's affairs and publicly labeled it all a vast right wing conspiracy. Sorry, you don't get to pick and choose what parts of your "co-presidency" are up for debate. Perhaps he should have asked Chelsea how that VWRC angle worked out. :-)
ok, hypothetical question (and being a hypothetical question, you aren't allowed to disagree with the hypothesis :-)); what if it wasn't a clinton, and wasn't part of a presidential campaign, and we didn't all hate the parents?
NOW what do you think of the question?
Doesn't matter. The minute they start campaigning they are fair game.
And mrs. clinton's response is very much at issue for her qualifications as President. If you are so dense you can't see a serial philanderer ten you are too stupid to be President. If you just lied about it then you are too dishonest to be President.
And who better would know than the now political center stage daughter? The question is Germain and within bounds.
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good old fashioned civility and manners should have prevented that kid from asking a young lady that question in the first place. that is, if the young lady's father hadn't had such a big hand in destroying our culture's sense of civility and decorum in the first place.
I completely disagree, if she were a private person, sure, you would be right. But no, she is acting as just another PR flack, surrogate for her mother the same as Bill, stumping for Hillary, so she CANNOT expect to hide behind the persona of a wounded widdle kiddiekins at the same time she is campaigning as an advocate.
I agree. She is campaigning -- she is fair game.
She could however had answered the question with class. She chose not too. Like mother like daughter.
Pretty standard Lib tactic -- kerry used it shamelessly: "How DARE you ask that question! How DARE you question me about the event that is seared -- SEARED -- into my brain? Even if it didn't happen? How DARE you?"
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Let's ask you.
How would you feel about your dad getting his penis sucked by the neighbor lady?
I have no idea for whom you intend this question, and I probably don't want to. suffice it to say that
dragging mothers and fathers into relatively abstract discussions is a really, really, really bad idea.
I disagree. See my #23.
I read it. and as happens with some of your posts, I disagreed with most of the parts that I managed to understand. :whatever: :-)
I promise to parse it better in the future. ;)
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Hmmm....must be a bad idea to ask people that, eh?
Your honor, The Defense rests.
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Hmmm....must be a bad idea to ask people that, eh?
Your honor, The Defense rests.
Not if they are in the public eye and it is a campaign issue, no.
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and I disagree.
There is no reason to ask the daughter of the crimes or sins of the parents. You know she is not going to answer in a manner that the press want, (gotcha!) so what is the point? Causing the daughter pain?
Thanks, but no thanks.
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and I disagree.
There is no reason to ask the daughter of the crimes or sins of the parents. You know she is not going to answer in a manner that the press want, (gotcha!) so what is the point? Causing the daughter pain?
Thanks, but no thanks.
chelsea is shilling for Mama. She is representing her as a spokesperson. If she doesn;t want the tough questions that are at issue, she shouldn't be there. What about when they ask her about the HUNDREDS of lies her Mama has been busted about. Is that off limits? What about 9/11 resulting from her daddy's administration by trial balloon? Taboo topic? Killing Vince Foster? How DARE you!
So all you can ask her is "so, who picked out your mama's last pants suit?"
Libtard pet tricks.
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Let's ask you.
How would you feel about your dad getting his penis sucked by the neighbor lady?
I have no idea for whom you intend this question, and I probably don't want to. suffice it to say that
dragging mothers and fathers into relatively abstract discussions is a really, really, really bad idea.
I disagree. See my #23.
I read it. and as happens with some of your posts, I disagreed with most of the parts that I managed to understand. :whatever: :-)
I promise to parse it better in the future. ;)
it must be me this time :-)
either everyone's ability (or perhaps "willingness" would be a better word) to understand
abstractions stops where the clintons are concerned, or I have picked up a "gibberish virus".
I keep getting responses that are arguing against a position that I just am not defending.
I think I will quit while I am behind. :tongue: :-)
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Let's ask you.
How would you feel about your dad getting his penis sucked by the neighbor lady?
I have no idea for whom you intend this question, and I probably don't want to. suffice it to say that
dragging mothers and fathers into relatively abstract discussions is a really, really, really bad idea.
I disagree. See my #23.
I read it. and as happens with some of your posts, I disagreed with most of the parts that I managed to understand. :whatever: :-)
I promise to parse it better in the future. ;)
it must be me this time :-)
either everyone's ability (or perhaps "willingness" would be a better word) to understand
abstractions stops where the clintons are concerned, or I have picked up a "gibberish virus".
I keep getting responses that are arguing against a position that I just am not defending.
I think I will quit while I am behind. :tongue: :-)
I did that once and my ass still hurts.
I suspect this isn't a problem of ideas. I think this is a semantic problem of context.
So please let me reiterate what I think the proper position is -- as an absolute, not as an argument for or against any contentions posted:
- The same criteria are in play whether the person of interest is a Conservative or liberal. We must be intellectually honest.
- The Lewinsky issue is a bona fide campaign political issue. To wit: either mrs. clinton lied in her memoirs or she was dumber than dirt not to see her husband's constant philandering. This means the potential POTUS is either a liar (again!) or really stupid. THIS IS A CAMPAIGN ISSUE -- ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO CLAIM TO BE A PART OF HER HUSBAND'S DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
- The daughter is campaigning (shilling) for her mom. This may be a sensitive issue, but it is on point. She decided to become a vocal proponent for her mom. It is no more off-limits than her mom's Whitewater involvement, her dad's creating 9/11, or any other aspect of the Presidency that mrs. clinton is attempting to co-opt. If you want the good, you have to accept the bad.
- Bottom line: the question was, and is, appropriate and requires an answer. If young ms. clinton doesn't want to deal with it, she should retire from politics immediately.
I hope that clears up any misunderstandings and, more importantly, bad feelings.
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Let's ask you.
How would you feel about your dad getting his penis sucked by the neighbor lady?
I have no idea for whom you intend this question, and I probably don't want to. suffice it to say that
dragging mothers and fathers into relatively abstract discussions is a really, really, really bad idea.
I disagree. See my #23.
I read it. and as happens with some of your posts, I disagreed with most of the parts that I managed to understand. :whatever: :-)
I promise to parse it better in the future. ;)
it must be me this time :-)
either everyone's ability (or perhaps "willingness" would be a better word) to understand
abstractions stops where the clintons are concerned, or I have picked up a "gibberish virus".
I keep getting responses that are arguing against a position that I just am not defending.
I think I will quit while I am behind. :tongue: :-)
I did that once and my ass still hurts.
I suspect this isn't a problem of ideas. I think this is a semantic problem of context.
So please let me reiterate what I think the proper position is -- as an absolute, not as an argument for or against any contentions posted:
- The same criteria are in play whether the person of interest is a Conservative or liberal. We must be intellectually honest.
The Lewinsky issue is a bona fide campaign political issue. To wit: either mrs. clinton lied in her memoirs or she was dumber than dirt not to see her husband's constant philandering. This means the potential POTUS is either a liar (again!) or really stupid. THIS IS A CAMPAIGN ISSUE -- ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO CLAIM TO BE A PART OF HER HUSBAND'S DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
The daughter is campaigning (shilling) for her mom. This may be a sensitive issue, but it is on point. She decided to become a vocal proponent for her mom. It is no more off-limits than her mom's Whitewater involvement, her dad's creating 9/11, or any other aspect of the Presidency that mrs. clinton is attempting to co-opt. If you want the good, you have to accept the bad.
Bottom line: the question was, and is, appropriate and requires an answer. If young ms. clinton doesn't want to deal with it, she should retire from politics immediately.
I hope that clears up any misunderstandings and, more importantly, bad feelings.
oh, i got your argument. in fact, I agree with it, more or less. :wink: but discussing the actual
incident was a little boring to me, so I was trying to turn it into a hypothetical young lady being
asked a question about that sort of subject outside of the context of a political campaign, and
discuss the social implications of the entire little episode. the clintons aside, I just found the whole
thing a little disturbing. then again, the irony is that it was bill clinton that drug the whole topic
of "a lewinsky" into our public discourse in the first place.
anyway, it obviously, didn't work. you know you are on strange ground when people start thinking
that you are somehow defending the clintons.
maybe I will find a different thread to screw up tomorrow. :-)
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oh, i got your argument. in fact, I agree with it, more or less. :wink: but discussing the actual
incident was a little boring to me, so I was trying to turn it into a hypothetical young lady being
asked a question about that sort of subject outside of the context of a political campaign, and
discuss the social implications of the entire little episode. the clintons aside, I just found the whole
thing a little disturbing. then again, the irony is that it was bill clinton that drug the whole topic
of "a lewinsky" into our public discourse in the first place.
anyway, it obviously, didn't work. you know you are on strange ground when people start thinking
that you are somehow defending the clintons.
maybe I will find a different thread to screw up tomorrow. :-)
We all know there is no need to work hard -- you can screw up any thread with almost no effort!
(actually, I think I missed your more subtle subtext -- but I always rescue threads, even if I have to drown them to do it).
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and I disagree.
There is no reason to ask the daughter of the crimes or sins of the parents. You know she is not going to answer in a manner that the press want, (gotcha!) so what is the point? Causing the daughter pain?
Thanks, but no thanks.
it wasnt the press.. it was a Hilary supporter. and get this! he is STILL voting for Hilary after all this :-)
and WE, I get what youre saying... I just dont find it all that outrageous for anyone on the campaign trail to have these types of questions given to them.
they want to rule every aspect of our lives.. i say we get to know what their life is all about as well.
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and I disagree.
There is no reason to ask the daughter of the crimes or sins of the parents. You know she is not going to answer in a manner that the press want, (gotcha!) so what is the point? Causing the daughter pain?
Thanks, but no thanks.
it wasnt the press.. it was a Hilary supporter. and get this! he is STILL voting for Hilary after all this :-)
and WE, I get what youre saying... I just dont find it all that outrageous for anyone on the campaign trail to have these types of questions given to them.
they want to rule every aspect of our lives.. i say we get to know what their life is all about as well.
I think the question "did your candidate lie or is she just stupid?" is valid and reasonable whether or not the shill is the daughter of said candidate or not.
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WE - I get where you are coming from. I think we all pretty much agree. It just sucks (no pun intended!) that this is an issue. And I lay the blame for that squarely on the Clintons. Billary brought this to America's door 10 years ago. Yes, I felt for Chelsea at the time. I kind of still do. No one gets to pick their parents (well except for maybe those little urchins Angelina Jolie scoops up) and having their faults played out in the media must be soul crushing. But, Chelsea seems to be a very bright, motivated woman who has made a career for herself in the world of finance. She chose to step into the role of campaigner for mom. My sympathy waivers a tiny bit.....
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WE - I get where you are coming from. I think we all pretty much agree. It just sucks (no pun intended!) that this is an issue. And I lay the blame for that squarely on the Clintons. Billary brought this to America's door 10 years ago. Yes, I felt for Chelsea at the time. I kind of still do. No one gets to pick their parents (well except for maybe those little urchins Angelina Jolie scoops up) and having their faults played out in the media must be soul crushing. But, Chelsea seems to be a very bright, motivated woman who has made a career for herself in the world of finance. She chose to step into the role of campaigner for mom. My sympathy waivers a tiny bit.....
True, you have a point there. For all we know, this is the most time she ever spend with her mother in her young life. I still think it was a tacky question. However, they should have been be prepared for questions like this and Hillary should have be smacked for putting her daughter in that postion. But Chelsea is "all grown up" and noone forced her to do this.
What a ****ed up family. :(
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WE - I get where you are coming from. I think we all pretty much agree. It just sucks (no pun intended!) that this is an issue. And I lay the blame for that squarely on the Clintons. Billary brought this to America's door 10 years ago. Yes, I felt for Chelsea at the time. I kind of still do. No one gets to pick their parents (well except for maybe those little urchins Angelina Jolie scoops up) and having their faults played out in the media must be soul crushing. But, Chelsea seems to be a very bright, motivated woman who has made a career for herself in the world of finance. She chose to step into the role of campaigner for mom. My sympathy waivers a tiny bit.....
exactly. that is what I have been trying to say, but apparently I was saying it in greek or something. :-)
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I'm confused about the outrage at the "Clinton scandal", when some posters here were recently defending men who cheat as victims of their wives' lack of attention and affection. Just judging from what I see of Hillary publicly, I can well imagine she was far more involved in her own interests while Bill was President than she was in "taking care of her man's needs". So, doesn't this mean she is to blame for what he did????
Not my position, but it was a sentiment stated here not so long ago.
As for Chelsea's response, I was a little disappointed. When the news teaser came on CNN about "wait 'til you hear what Chelsea said to earn a round of applause", and then I heard the question, I was really waiting for her to come up with something awesome to make Hillary look like, well, the impossible: a woman of substance.
On second thought, Chelsea really had nothing to work with, so her respose is the best she could do under the circumstances.
GOOD point. I see no one bothered to explain themselves about it, either :whatever:
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^I think Bill is a serial womanizer. I don't think the scenario is quite the same.
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^I think Bill is a serial womanizer. I don't think the scenario is quite the same.
Because maybe his needs weren't being met by Hillary...after all, the word is that she is a lesbian.
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^I think Bill is a serial womanizer. I don't think the scenario is quite the same.
Because maybe his needs weren't being met by Hillary...after all, the word is that she is a lesbian.
I get ill trying to figure out the bedroom habits of those two!! :-)
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Let's ask you.
How would you feel about your dad getting his penis sucked by the neighbor lady?
I have no idea for whom you intend this question, and I probably don't want to. suffice it to say that
dragging mothers and fathers into relatively abstract discussions is a really, really, really bad idea.
I disagree. See my #23.
I read it. and as happens with some of your posts, I disagreed with most of the parts that I managed to understand. :whatever: :-)
I promise to parse it better in the future. ;)
it must be me this time :-)
either everyone's ability (or perhaps "willingness" would be a better word) to understand
abstractions stops where the clintons are concerned, or I have picked up a "gibberish virus".
I keep getting responses that are arguing against a position that I just am not defending.
I think I will quit while I am behind. :tongue: :-)
Asking a child a question about their parents' affair is certainly poor form. However, you cannot relate the two as motivation and reason for question are certainly applicable in this instance.
A child (who is an adult) being asked a question: about her mother who was first lady for the time period in question; and her father who was president; while said child is actively campaiging for her mother who while a sitting U.S. Senator, is running for the office of presidency -- hell yeah, not only is the question germane, but highly proper.
If the child expects to be shielded from hard questions then she is ill suited for the job of campaigning.
Sorry, I certainly understand what you are saying. I just do not agree with it at all.
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The whole thing has certainly morphed to conform to everyone's desires for the question to have been something a lot different than it really was over four pages.
I believe the point of it had exactly Jack Shit to do with what Mini-Messalina knew about the affair, it was how to respond to those jabbing supporters (like the questioner) about how Messalina Sr. could be the Smartest Woman on Earth And Really Able to Run the Country if she was that ignorant about something as obvious as Bill's sociopathic sex addiction...to which there isn't a good answer (for her), because there is no way to respond that doesn't make Messalina Sr. out to be either a liar or a fool.
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^I think Bill is a serial womanizer. I don't think the scenario is quite the same.
Because maybe his needs weren't being met by Hillary...after all, the word is that she is a lesbian.
wow... where is this discussion where people were blaming the wives for not taking care of their men's every desire?
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WE - I get where you are coming from. I think we all pretty much agree. It just sucks (no pun intended!) that this is an issue. And I lay the blame for that squarely on the Clintons. Billary brought this to America's door 10 years ago. Yes, I felt for Chelsea at the time. I kind of still do. No one gets to pick their parents (well except for maybe those little urchins Angelina Jolie scoops up) and having their faults played out in the media must be soul crushing. But, Chelsea seems to be a very bright, motivated woman who has made a career for herself in the world of finance. She chose to step into the role of campaigner for mom. My sympathy waivers a tiny bit.....
exactly. that is what I have been trying to say, but apparently I was saying it in greek or something. :-)
no, we got what you were saying.. i think with politics, its just all fair game.
civility is overrated .. in fact, i think political correctness makes us think we shouldnt ask delicate questions of each other. well, im afraid that tactic has left us with an inability to express ourselves anymore.
lets face it, the internet is the last place you can actually speak your mind without people knowing who you are. look at all the crap we dole out for people in the public eye who actually DO speak their mind?
we arent supposed to talk about religion and politics and our personal finances and how badly our kids really act... and we arent supposed to gossip.
what the hell is there left?? :-)
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WE - I get where you are coming from. I think we all pretty much agree. It just sucks (no pun intended!) that this is an issue. And I lay the blame for that squarely on the Clintons. Billary brought this to America's door 10 years ago. Yes, I felt for Chelsea at the time. I kind of still do. No one gets to pick their parents (well except for maybe those little urchins Angelina Jolie scoops up) and having their faults played out in the media must be soul crushing. But, Chelsea seems to be a very bright, motivated woman who has made a career for herself in the world of finance. She chose to step into the role of campaigner for mom. My sympathy waivers a tiny bit.....
exactly. that is what I have been trying to say, but apparently I was saying it in greek or something. :-)
no, we got what you were saying.. i think with politics, its just all fair game.
civility is overrated .. in fact, i think political correctness makes us think we shouldnt ask delicate questions of each other. well, im afraid that tactic has left us with an inability to express ourselves anymore.
lets face it, the internet is the last place you can actually speak your mind without people knowing who you are. look at all the crap we dole out for people in the public eye who actually DO speak their mind?
we arent supposed to talk about religion and politics and our personal finances and how badly our kids really act... and we arent supposed to gossip.
what the hell is there left?? :-)
I just thought it was incredibly indecorous of the you man that asked the question.
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^I think Bill is a serial womanizer. I don't think the scenario is quite the same.
Because maybe his needs weren't being met by Hillary...after all, the word is that she is a lesbian.
wow... where is this discussion where people were blaming the wives for not taking care of their men's every desire?
I couldn't find it either. I just took it aboard as a generic argument.
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WE - I get where you are coming from. I think we all pretty much agree. It just sucks (no pun intended!) that this is an issue. And I lay the blame for that squarely on the Clintons. Billary brought this to America's door 10 years ago. Yes, I felt for Chelsea at the time. I kind of still do. No one gets to pick their parents (well except for maybe those little urchins Angelina Jolie scoops up) and having their faults played out in the media must be soul crushing. But, Chelsea seems to be a very bright, motivated woman who has made a career for herself in the world of finance. She chose to step into the role of campaigner for mom. My sympathy waivers a tiny bit.....
exactly. that is what I have been trying to say, but apparently I was saying it in greek or something. :-)
no, we got what you were saying.. i think with politics, its just all fair game.
civility is overrated .. in fact, i think political correctness makes us think we shouldnt ask delicate questions of each other. well, im afraid that tactic has left us with an inability to express ourselves anymore.
lets face it, the internet is the last place you can actually speak your mind without people knowing who you are. look at all the crap we dole out for people in the public eye who actually DO speak their mind?
we arent supposed to talk about religion and politics and our personal finances and how badly our kids really act... and we arent supposed to gossip.
what the hell is there left?? :-)
I just thought it was incredibly indecorous of the you man that asked the question.
just dont forget, it was a hilary supporter and the guy is still voting for her. he was on FOX the day after it happened and he said he wasnt trying to trip her up or be rude.. he actually thought he was giving the campaign a way to discuss the issue with their supporters.
it apparently did fall flat.. but Hilary's supporters do indeed want assurances that her husband wont embarass them again. she doesnt seem to get that yet.. but thats the bottom line. and there really is no way to ask that question of any person in a decorous way :-)
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WE - I get where you are coming from. I think we all pretty much agree. It just sucks (no pun intended!) that this is an issue. And I lay the blame for that squarely on the Clintons. Billary brought this to America's door 10 years ago. Yes, I felt for Chelsea at the time. I kind of still do. No one gets to pick their parents (well except for maybe those little urchins Angelina Jolie scoops up) and having their faults played out in the media must be soul crushing. But, Chelsea seems to be a very bright, motivated woman who has made a career for herself in the world of finance. She chose to step into the role of campaigner for mom. My sympathy waivers a tiny bit.....
exactly. that is what I have been trying to say, but apparently I was saying it in greek or something. :-)
no, we got what you were saying.. i think with politics, its just all fair game.
civility is overrated .. in fact, i think political correctness makes us think we shouldnt ask delicate questions of each other. well, im afraid that tactic has left us with an inability to express ourselves anymore.
lets face it, the internet is the last place you can actually speak your mind without people knowing who you are. look at all the crap we dole out for people in the public eye who actually DO speak their mind?
we arent supposed to talk about religion and politics and our personal finances and how badly our kids really act... and we arent supposed to gossip.
what the hell is there left?? :-)
I just thought it was incredibly indecorous of the you man that asked the question.
just dont forget, it was a hilary supporter and the guy is still voting for her. he was on FOX the day after it happened and he said he wasnt trying to trip her up or be rude.. he actually thought he was giving the campaign a way to discuss the issue with their supporters.
it apparently did fall flat.. but Hilary's supporters do indeed want assurances that her husband wont embarass them again. she doesnt seem to get that yet.. but thats the bottom line. and there really is no way to ask that question of any person in a decorous way :-)
you forget my point that the subject would have never come up in a social setting if it weren't for her dad.
the damage that her dad did to our social fabric is almost inestimable.
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well, i dont know that Bill Clinton alone is responsible.. we had JFK decades before, but nobody would ask the hard questions back then of him.
we've really not had good runs of moral/ethical people as leaders in this country.. on either side of the aisle. but i blame society for that as well; we dont hold people accountable cause we fear being too tough on them.
Clinton brought about a new reason to discuss sex at earlier ages with our kids, but he didnt single handedly do it; parents are still the arbiters of their children's educations. and we can certainly tell our kids that the president was wrong to do what he did and explain how that hurt his family AND our country.
but i think many adults were just too plain embarrassed that he had done it in the first place and so, didnt want to keep dredging it up. we let political correctness silence the discussion cause.. well, we just dont talk about sex in a polite society.
some people did discuss it.. but by and large, i think most of us just wanted it to go away. we missed a national opportunity there for our kids and ourselves to engage about how we want our elected leaders to behave.
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You know what I find funny - wen Faux coved this the story was not the question that the kid asked it was the fact that it was the first time Little Clinton had been asked "the question." And they never played her whole response - they played this bite: "Wow, you're the first person actually that's ever asked me that question." And then they faded into a discussion of why it hasn't come up before this.
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You know what I find funny - wen Faux coved this the story was not the question that the kid asked it was the fact that it was the first time Little Clinton had been asked "the question." And they never played her whole response - they played this bite: "Wow, you're the first person actually that's ever asked me that question." And then they faded into a discussion of why it hasn't come up before this.
i guess the part after that was, she said it was none of his business and the crowd applauded her.
it was quite an "I am Woman-ish" moment for Chelsea. but it made her look naive. we know she knows. she knows we know..
there literally is no one on the planet above 15 years old who doesnt know who bill clinton is and what he did...
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You know what I find funny - wen Faux coved this the story was not the question that the kid asked it was the fact that it was the first time Little Clinton had been asked "the question." And they never played her whole response - they played this bite: "Wow, you're the first person actually that's ever asked me that question." And then they faded into a discussion of why it hasn't come up before this.
i guess the part after that was, she said it was none of his business and the crowd applauded her.
it was quite an "I am Woman-ish" moment for Chelsea. but it made her look naive. we know she knows. she knows we know..
there literally is no one on the planet above 15 years old who doesnt know who bill clinton is and what he did...
ok, what was she going to say instead? not defending chelsea, by any means, but some form of "stick it" was about her only play. although, strictly speaking, the question wasn't about the moni*cough*ca itself; it was about her mother's credibility upon the subject of her denials/blame casting about the episode.
"yes, my mother has great credibility even though she blamed rush limbaugh for the fact that daddy got a hummer from a pudgy 19 year old chick"? "wow, you're right. her credibility did take a hit. she should have known that dad is a total whore dog"? :-) none of those were going to work, were they? :lmao:
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You know what I find funny - wen Faux coved this the story was not the question that the kid asked it was the fact that it was the first time Little Clinton had been asked "the question." And they never played her whole response - they played this bite: "Wow, you're the first person actually that's ever asked me that question." And then they faded into a discussion of why it hasn't come up before this.
i guess the part after that was, she said it was none of his business and the crowd applauded her.
it was quite an "I am Woman-ish" moment for Chelsea. but it made her look naive. we know she knows. she knows we know..
there literally is no one on the planet above 15 years old who doesnt know who bill clinton is and what he did...
ok, what was she going to say instead? not defending chelsea, by any means, but some form of "stick it" was about her only play. although, strictly speaking, the question wasn't about the moni*cough*ca itself; it was about her mother's credibility upon the subject of her denials/blame casting about the episode.
"yes, my mother has great credibility even though she blamed rush limbaugh for the fact that daddy got a hummer from a pudgy 19 year old chick"? "wow, you're right. her credibility did take a hit. she should have known that dad is a total whore dog"? :-) none of those were going to work, were they? :lmao:
remember when Hilary cried the first time? and she said how 'hard' it was being on the campaign trail and being a woman? her numbers went up drastically and people loved her almost human like response. :-)
if i was advising the Clinton's.. I would tell them to just be truthful about it once and for all. just say, "it was a mistake and yes it hurt me and Chelsea... but we want to put it behind us and go forward from here ...blahh blah blah" and the sheep on her side will eat it up. but she has to show a little bit of the hurt. she has to give them a sound bite about it once and for all. something they can believe. otherwise, it will never go away.
its manipulative like her other schtick ... but it seems to work with her people..
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You know what I find funny - wen Faux coved this the story was not the question that the kid asked it was the fact that it was the first time Little Clinton had been asked "the question." And they never played her whole response - they played this bite: "Wow, you're the first person actually that's ever asked me that question." And then they faded into a discussion of why it hasn't come up before this.
i guess the part after that was, she said it was none of his business and the crowd applauded her.
it was quite an "I am Woman-ish" moment for Chelsea. but it made her look naive. we know she knows. she knows we know..
there literally is no one on the planet above 15 years old who doesnt know who bill clinton is and what he did...
ok, what was she going to say instead? not defending chelsea, by any means, but some form of "stick it" was about her only play. although, strictly speaking, the question wasn't about the moni*cough*ca itself; it was about her mother's credibility upon the subject of her denials/blame casting about the episode.
"yes, my mother has great credibility even though she blamed rush limbaugh for the fact that daddy got a hummer from a pudgy 19 year old chick"? "wow, you're right. her credibility did take a hit. she should have known that dad is a total whore dog"? :-) none of those were going to work, were they? :lmao:
remember when Hilary cried the first time? and she said how 'hard' it was being on the campaign trail and being a woman? her numbers went up drastically and people loved her almost human like response. :-)
if i was advising the Clinton's.. I would tell them to just be truthful about it once and for all. just say, "it was a mistake and yes it hurt me and Chelsea... but we want to put it behind us and go forward from here ...blahh blah blah" and the sheep on her side will eat it up. but she has to show a little bit of the hurt. she has to give them a sound bite about it once and for all. something they can believe. otherwise, it will never go away.
its manipulative like her other schtick ... but it seems to work with her people..
odd that a chick candidate has to act so stereotypically like a chick to get points for simply being a chick.
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Should take a page out of Barackstar!'s book. He seems to do well with being audacious and "honest". Although he never really says anything of substance. He kind of reminds me of Robin Williams in Man of the Year.
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Should take a page out of Barackstar!'s book. He seems to do well with being audacious and "honest". Although he never really says anything of substance. He kind of reminds me of Robin Williams in Man of the Year.
hmmmm. maybe you have a point.
"I think this would present an excellent opportunity to open a national dialog about getting and giving moni*cough*cas in the workplace. my father did many things over his 8 years in office, only a few of them involved getting a hummer. how would you like to have just a few episodes of your life used to represent your whole life. the moni*cough*cas were just snippets of his life; little stains that aren't representative of his overall fabric. and I never personally witness any of the moni*cough*cas. if I had, I would have gotten up and left the room before he finished himself by pounding it in the sink. then I would have left the white house, and joined another family where they didn't do themselves into bathroom receptacles, and pudgy 19 year old chicks could live in relative peace and quiet".
naw, "none of your damn business" was definitely the way to go.
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Should take a page out of Barackstar!'s book. He seems to do well with being audacious and "honest". Although he never really says anything of substance. He kind of reminds me of Robin Williams in Man of the Year.
hmmmm. maybe you have a point.
"I think this would present an excellent opportunity to open a national dialog about getting and giving moni*cough*cas in the workplace. my father did many things over his 8 years in office, only a few of them involved getting a hummer. how would you like to have just a few episodes of your life used to represent your whole life. the moni*cough*cas were just snippets of his life; little stains that aren't representative of his overall fabric. and I never personally witness any of the moni*cough*cas. if I had, I would have gotten up and left the room before he finished himself by pounding it in the sink. then I would have left the white house, and joined another family where they didn't do themselves into bathroom receptacles, and pudgy 19 year old chicks could live in relative peace and quiet".
naw, "none of your damn business" was definitely the way to go.
:rotf: your version is much better!