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Bluzmann57 (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-21-10 07:52 PM
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A brief conversation with a freeper type at work today
Where I work, we are required to wear steel toed boots and the Union has bargained in an annual shoe allowance to make it easier to get said shoes. This year it is $150.00. Ok, not a lot, but it is appreciated and the guys can do whatever they want with the money. Buy shoes, drink beer, save it, whatever.
Anyway, when we got the checks, a guy started complaining about "Obama is taxing us to death", etc. Well lo and behold, there was no federal tax taken out of our boot checks! So I had to reply to the teabagger, freeper, whatever you want to call him, "Look, no federal tax taken out of our checks. Yep, Obama is taxing us to death all right. Looks like a tax CUT to me." The guy said, "Well, this check ain't very much anyway. Why should it be taxed?" I said, "It shouldn't and it isn't, except for Social Security and Medicare." Him, "Well, why should I pay that shit?" Me, "Well when you retire, it might be nice to have. Now you are paying in and when you get old, you can collect some of it back".
He just shook his head as he walked away, muttering something about Obama, assholes and dirty liberals.
I just walked away too, secure in the knowledge that at least I tried. It likely won't change his mind, but at least I tried and I kept my cool, which I sometimes don't do.
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Federal taxes should have been taken out.
BootinUp (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-21-10 07:56 PM
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Taxes are the lowest they have been in 60 years.
Thanks to George Bush.
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$150?? That's a pair of Red Wings.
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Bluzmann57 (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-21-10 07:52 PM
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A brief conversation with a freeper type at work today...
...I said, "It shouldn't and it isn't, except for Social Security and Medicare." Him, "Well, why should I pay that shit?" Me, "Well when you retire, it might be nice to have. Now you are paying in and when you get old, you can collect some NONE of it back".
Fixed....
Now IF I had been allowed to invest what was extorted from me by the government in the name of Social Security for myself, I could retire TODAY and draw 3 times what SS would pay....
I could also pass what was left to my wife/kids, allow them to contribute to it as well, and my grandkids will have a very nice nestegg....
But, alas, it all goes back to "If a frog had wings...."
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Fixed....
Now IF I had been allowed to invest what was extorted from me by the government in the name of Social Security for myself, I could retire TODAY and draw 3 times what SS would pay....
I could also pass what was left to my wife/kids, allow them to contribute to it as well, and my grandkids will have a very nice nestegg....
But, alas, it all goes back to "If a frog had wings...."
Only if you died this year like George Steinbrenner did, otherwise the government will take a lot of it.
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Fixed....
Now IF I had been allowed to invest what was extorted from me by the government in the name of Social Security for myself, I could retire TODAY and draw 3 times what SS would pay....
I could also pass what was left to my wife/kids, allow them to contribute to it as well, and my grandkids will have a very nice nestegg....
But, alas, it all goes back to "If a frog had wings...."
You and me both.
I get pissed off every year when I see what I've paid into SS since the 70's. Since I've been self employed for about 15 of those years it's even worse. I could easily retire right now with more income per month than I'm making if I was able to have merged that into my other retirement accounts.
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Fixed....
Now IF I had been allowed to invest what was extorted from me by the government in the name of Social Security for myself, I could retire TODAY and draw 3 times what SS would pay....
I could also pass what was left to my wife/kids, allow them to contribute to it as well, and my grandkids will have a very nice nestegg....
But, alas, it all goes back to "If a frog had wings...."
You bring up an excellent point here. Imagine building generational wealth, and not just for rich white folk. Dummies, how say you this??
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You bring up an excellent point here. Imagine building generational wealth, and not just for rich white folk. Dummies, how say you this??
We could wish- but to some of the dummies, it wouldn't last past the weekly lotto.
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We get a 50.00/yr steel toed shoe allowance and that is with a private,non union company.
It is a nice gesture and one actually not that often claimed as a good pair will last quite a while and does not cost that much more.
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Carl, that is about the equivalent of what we get: $25/year through work, but if we go to the local Red Wing, they offer an additional discount. It also helps that the local Red Wing store contains about the nicest bunch of folks you could want to deal with.
I am cheap, but going cheap on a pair of shoes I am going to be in all week is counterproductive.
Also, I am 28, and willing to give up everything I have put into SS up until now, and promise to make no claims against SS when I retire, in exchange for no more mandatory deductions out of my paycheck.
Suck on that one for a little, DUmmies. Just because you are too ignorant to manage your retirement shouldn't mean the rest of us have to suffer because of your stupidity, and lack of planning.
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Also, I am 28, and willing to give up everything I have put into SS up until now, and promise to make no claims against SS when I retire, in exchange for no more mandatory deductions out of my paycheck.
Suck on that one for a little, DUmmies. Just because you are too ignorant to manage your retirement shouldn't mean the rest of us have to suffer because of your stupidity, and lack of planning.
Really, you can do that now? I heard talk, but didn't know that was an option today! I hope you find wise investments! :cheersmate:
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Really, you can do that now? I heard talk, but didn't know that was an option today! I hope you find wise investments! :cheersmate:
I think he meant that he would like that option. I know I would, and I'm 34.
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Really, you can do that now? I heard talk, but didn't know that was an option today! I hope you find wise investments! :cheersmate:
I wish that option was available. As far as wise investments, can one make an investment that is any less wise than someone my age "investing" in SS? :thatsright:
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Yeah Obama cut my taxes that extra $13 a week that he gave us all from his stash. Oh wait the tax rate stayed the same they just withheld less.
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I think he meant that he would like that option. I know I would, and I'm 34.
Oh -- I missed that. so please excuse, but I am in the old pile. ;-)
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Well at least the location hasn't changed even if the white, dumb hick hasn't.
Cindie
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Federal taxes should have been taken out.
I agree, if it wasn't taken out it's still going to be reported as income to the worker and he'll have to pay later. If it wasn't income, then why was SS and medicare taken out?
So the Bluzmann57 primitive is either lying through his teeth, or he's too stupid to realize he's going to have to eventually pay tax on the $150. Could be either way.
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First, why would the company have agreed to such a stupid clause. There is a reason most companies I know of tell their employees they can be reimbursed up to $150 a year for safety boots, upon presentation of the boots and receipt
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First, why would the company have agreed to such a stupid clause. There is a reason most companies I know of tell their employees they can be reimbursed up to $150 a year for safety boots, upon presentation of the boots and receipt
DUmmys lie. All the time, DUmmies lie.
The normal way didn't work with his bouncy, so he had to make up something to make it sound plausible to the other DUmmies.
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First, why would the company have agreed to such a stupid clause. There is a reason most companies I know of tell their employees they can be reimbursed up to $150 a year for safety boots, upon presentation of the boots and receipt
Unions=N
Dummies=X
(N²+X)√=Weed Money
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$150?? That's a pair of Red Wings.
Dude! That is a pair of top of the line Made in America Steel Toe AND Shank Red Wings. Well, it was 3 years ago at any rate.
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You guys get boot allowances? Holy shit!
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I wonder do Obama's Czars get a boot allowance or do they have to buy their own to apply to the neck of oil companies like BP?
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You guys get boot allowances? Holy shit!
I don't get a shoe allowance. Or a uniform allowance. This is bullshit. Where's my freaking pony!!!!!
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I don't get a shoe allowance. Or a uniform allowance. This is bullshit. Where's my freaking pony!!!!!
We have a uniform service here.
Damn non union,private company that wants to keep good help. :banghead:
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We have a uniform service here.
Damn non union,private company that wants to keep good help. :banghead:
I was only joking around, Carl. People who work in finance/accounting aren't members of unions and don't wear uniforms. We also negotiate our own salaries and don't rely on unions to control us.
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We have a uniform service supplied but we're not required to wear them, so I don't. We had a choice of either long sleeves or short sleeves, no option of switching between winter and summer. Screw that, I wear T-Shirts in the summer and heavy cotton shirts in the winter.
We had a $50 dollar one allowance for work boots when they first started requiring steel-toed shoes, but there is some deal worked out with the local RedWing Shoe store for a discount. I wear tennis shoes. :)
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I was only joking around, Carl. People who work in finance/accounting aren't members of unions and don't wear uniforms. We also negotiate our own salaries and don't rely on unions to control us.
What you don't get a clothing allowance for your brown shirts?
You may wanna email Teh Rove and fix that.
:lmao:
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I was only joking around, Carl. People who work in finance/accounting aren't members of unions and don't wear uniforms. We also negotiate our own salaries and don't rely on unions to control us.
I know Ralph,couldn`t resist taking a jab at lurking DUmbasses though. :cheersmate:
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What you don't get a clothing allowance for your brown shirts?
You may wanna email Teh Rove and fix that.
:lmao:
Yeah, I haven't received my monthly VRWC "allowance" this month yet either. I need to get on that.
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We had a choice of either long sleeves or short sleeves, no option of switching between winter and summer.
Why on earth would you not have that option? Seems cruel and sadistic.
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Why on earth would you not have that option? Seems cruel and sadistic.
I have no idea, but I suspect the company did it so most people would opt out of the uniform service. That means they pay for fewer uniforms to be cleaned each week. I prefer T-Shirts and jeans for working most of the time, much more comfortable.
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Yeah, I haven't received my monthly VRWC "allowance" this month yet either. I need to get on that.
Dude,
Join the 21st century.
Direct Deposit, Swiss account, transfer to the Caymans then overnight courier. It's sitting next to your bowl of morning granola all clean, laundered, untraceable and ready to spend within hours of the pay vouchers being issued.
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Ok so it was 40 years ago and things change but here goes anyway.
E.I. DuPont required us to wear steel toed shoes...but they gave us 2 pairs a year free and you could buy 2 more at 1/2 price and all you wanted at company cost. They also sold clothes at cost.....and "NO UNION".
They had steel toed dress shoes, ladies shoes, just about any style you wanted.
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Ok so it was 40 years ago and things change but here goes anyway.
E.I. DuPont required us to wear steel toed shoes...but they gave us 2 pairs a year free and you could buy 2 more at 1/2 price and all you wanted at company cost. They also sold clothes at cost.....and "NO UNION".
They had steel toed dress shoes, ladies shoes, just about any style you wanted.
When I worked for Bechtel at Energy Northwest at Hanford, they had free coffee, a water fountain, and bathrooms and we were fracking non-mamby-pamby grateful!
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And one summer I took a job in a closed shop doing injection molding in an abandoned textile mill. Worst working conditions one could imagine. I am not sure whether to compare it to Sodom and Gamora or Peyton Place, suffice to say the union boss had his pick of line workers on the cycolac in the warehouse (as did the best boy and leadman)....
The company and union agreed to no pay raise for workers with the stipulation that the union could raise dues. This was just before OSHA, no ventelation, electical safety, clean restrooms ( hell no doors on them for that matter) Safety was of no concern to the union or company. And pollution ? Wow.
Only Vesta can tell a story with more depravity IIRC.
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I want a shoe allowance. :bawl: $150 would help me buy some cute new shoes, and I promise to wear them to work :-)
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Zeitgeist, what's a cycolac? Glad you made it through hell.
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Zeitgeist, what's a cycolac? Glad you made it through hell.
Cycolac [sp?] was a small round plastic pellet used to make platform shoe heels. It came in bags (which felt like a bean bag chair) that were fed into a hopper which fed 'a meat grinder type screw' through heat bands then finally extruded as extreemly hot liguid plastic (like a hot glue gun if you will) into water cooled mold to become a heel. Pallet loads of these bags were in a remote part of the warehouse, a favorite location upon which the PTB's would often have career intervews with the 'mill maidens' (AKA mill-rats, not in anyway to be misconstrued as the upper crust of society nor poor exploited masses, many would brag at the local watering hole about who they where doing and why).
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Oh, I see. I worked in paper mills for many years, and things were like that there, too. They used dunnage bags, which were used to pad the rolls of paper in the boxcars. Such goings-on. One mill had a key club. One elevator had a very bad reputation.
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Oh, I see. I worked in paper mills for many years, and things were like that there, too. They used dunnage bags, which were used to pad the rolls of paper in the boxcars. Such goings-on. One mill had a key club. One elevator had a very bad reputation.
Sounds like some of the tales I heard about the local cotton mill. They caught a guy and girl on a stairway having oral sex. They fired her but not him.... he was on his lunch break.
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Same thing with the elevator. Except it was 2 guys. What is with mills that makes people sex-crazed maniacs?
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Same thing with the elevator. Except it was 2 guys. What is with mills that makes people sex-crazed maniacs?
It is not just mills. More than a few careers have been lost ( and launched ) at Christmas parties, house parties, etc, etc. :naughty:
That said, mills generally offer the most hot, ditry, boring, work where primal instincts take over.
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I want a shoe allowance. :bawl: $150 would help me buy some cute new shoes, and I promise to wear them to work :-)
Amen sister! I'd like to use that 150 on new shoes or a purse. Now I just have to submit fake taxi reciepts if I want something new. Just kidding ;)