CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-09-10 05:45 AMhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x9425990
Original message
A new poem: Find Yourself
where do I go
how do I do that
am I lost
do I need to be found
will anyone
find me
I’m someone
after all
I exist in time and space
maybe I’m just not where I need to be
right now
I’m so confused
I may never figure it out
just how do you go about
finding someone
who doesn’t want to
be
© 2010 MLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x9425990
Copyrighted?
Really?
You mean someone might try to steal it?
Grind Yourself
where do I go
how do I do that
am I alone
on the dance floor
will anyone
grind me
I’m someone
after all
My tender parts, all in place
well, maybe not my breasts, as they slap my knees in time
right now
I’m so aroused
I need to find a pole to grind against
just how do you go about
grinding someone
when they run
away
© 2010 M.
Grind Yourself
where do I go
how do I do that
am I alone
on the dance floor
will anyone
grind me
I’m someone
after all
My tender parts, all in place
well, maybe not my breasts, as they slap my knees in time
right now
I’m so aroused
I need to find a pole to grind against
just how do you go about
grinding someone
when they run
away
© 2010 M.
mycatfred (87 posts) Fri Jul-09-10 04:30 AM
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7. This one hits home, CaliforniaPeggy!
I'm surrounded by people who need help, or need to see the positive side or the possibility in some things but can't seem to quite get there. . . Sometimes, I have to admit, I'm one of those people.
Wonderful poem, by the way. I really love your work. You have a talent many people would love to have. You know, forming emotion through stiff limes and verses that poems have.
About inspiration, I find when I write, I get the same random epiphanies that just strike a cord in you. Except, I'm a story-writer not a poet.
I've noticed that I end up posting on every poem you've written since, you know, I started to try to get my post count higher. So if you keep posting poems (which I'm sure you will) they might just be the thing that gets my post count to 1000+.
CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-09-10 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. my dear mycatfred!
Hey, I'm glad I can help a fellow writer get to 1000 posts! You know I will keep posting.....I always look forward to your thoughtful comments...
I know I sometimes feel lost...it's part of the human condition, after all.
Thank you for all those nice comments, sweetie!
mycatfred (87 posts) Fri Jul-09-10 04:30 AM
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7. This one hits home, CaliforniaPeggy!
I'm surrounded by people who need help, or need to see the positive side or the possibility in some things but can't seem to quite get there. . . Sometimes, I have to admit, I'm one of those people.
Wonderful poem, by the way. I really love your work. You have a talent many people would love to have. You know, forming emotion through stiff limes and verses that poems have.
About inspiration, I find when I write, I get the same random epiphanies that just strike a cord in you. Except, I'm a story-writer not a poet.
I've noticed that I end up posting on every poem you've written since, you know, I started to try to get my post count higher. So if you keep posting poems (which I'm sure you will) they might just be the thing that gets my post count to 1000+.
mycatfred (87 posts) Fri Jul-09-10 04:30 AM:confused: :lmao:
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7. You know, forming emotion through stiff limes and verses that poems have.
I have found that her ideas aren't worth more than 17 syllables, if that, so they can generally be rewritten in haiku form, eliminating all her irritating nonpunctuation and long line breaks. This one, for instance, could capture all the same alleged inspiration with the much more concise:
Seeking self-knowledge,
I despair; alas, my head's
Too far up my ass.
CalPiggie
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x9425990
Copyrighted?
Really?
You mean someone might try to steal it?
And, it even has the elements of nature (self-knowledge, head-in-ass) that a haiku requires.
But, I want to know, is a lawyer involved in the copyright process? If so, is there one that stupid to actually . . . Now that I think of it, there's got to be (more than) one that unscrupulous to actually take her money to do that paperwork for her.
I call BS on the copyright. :bs:
She copyrights it all! And that is the kicker. Her poems are so sucky, but she is scared someone might steal from it? :rotf: And I know for a fact that she "borrows" from real poets. Suck it bitch.
HArsh maybe, but let me tell you this is no nice old lady. From what I have been told by several people, Mrs. Poetry Oh Noetry is the evil one in person. Totally self absorbed. It is totally obvious now, but she loves My Dear CalPeg and no one else.
No need to copyright Peg. Nobody will steal from you. I PROMISE. And copyrights DO NOT MAKE YOU A LEGIT POET!
Of course she is evil. Otherwise bobbolink's heartfelt pleas for a roof over her head would have been met with the rich one's immediate vacany of her home so as to accomodate the homeless bobbo. :rotf:
Of course she is evil. Otherwise bobbolink's heartfelt pleas for a roof over her head would have been met with the rich one's immediate vacany of her home so as to accomodate the homeless bobbo. :rotf:
Not only that, she saw a friend from waaaay back when who is now homeless. She doesn't want homeless people in her life. She says so herself. DISGUSTING!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=7863471
And I see my comment in that thread. I want to puke. Always trying to be nice. Totally wish I could take that comment back and again tell her to SUCK IT!
Oh my.
Oh my again.
That's quite a find, madam, and I compliment you for it.
It's a great find.
And a really big campfire, too.
The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 01:15 AM
THE CROOKED TALE PRIMITIVE
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11. My Dear Peggy
The only words of advice I can give you is to use your own ability at poetry to write about this.
I cannot judge you on this or understand what it is you know about it all, but knowing you I believe you could turn this into something positive for both yourself and this person through your insightful poems.
Give me a few and a few more drinks and even I might write a poem about it ;)
You are a good woman Peggy, one that I admire, and I trust you here.
CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 01:18 AM
THE CALIFORNIA PIGGY PRIMITIVE, #10 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #11
14. Ah, my dear Straight Story...
Well, I feel as though my poetic abilities are dried up and blown away by this tonight...
Maybe tomorrow, or later, though...
Be my guest! I'd love to see what you come up with...
Thank you for your admiration and trust...
The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 01:41 AM
THE CROOKED TALE PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #14
21. For you my Friend, a poem about it all *written in my own odd syle*:
Years gone by and I met you again
Times had changed for you and I
You, lost and not making sense to me
Me, moved on and having grown in a life
We each came from a different tree
We each grew a different way
I grew in a grove that was tended to
One where I had care, and where I too cared
You grew in a field, wild
and unkempt, a wayward orchard where few would go to pick fruit
A fence kept us apart, kept me safe while I was tended to
While it also kept you in your place, where your problems could not affect others
Alas, this did not mean I felt better, nor did I feel you worse
It was what was, a separation that did not create an equality
Over time I saw over that fence, my branches breached the barrier
as did yours to mine
We touched for one brief moment
Before we were pruned by our care givers
My branches still reach out to you, as yours do to mine
Two trees standing in time
But those that have been entrusted with our care hide
and blame us
for not being closer
for not producing more fruit.
Someday my branches will touch yours
and yours will mine
For but a brief moment they did
But I did not know what to do, as I was so used to being pruned
I knew you as you knew me
but we let others cut back on that which we held to be true
Someday, we will be friends again
when those that hold you back instead choose to help you
Accept me and my ways as I do you and yours
And break together these bonds that hold us both back
----too tired to finish :)
CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 01:44 AM
THE CALIFORNIA PIGGY PRIMITIVE, #10 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #21
22. That's really good...
It's true to what happened tonight...
Thank you!
The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 01:48 AM
THE CROOKED TALE PRIMITIVE
Response to Reply #22
23. well, not really
Too dunk (err drunk!) to post anything worthwhile
Beausoir (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 01:17 AM
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12. Her gut-wrenching poverty isn't about you. It is about HER. She's hungry. She is desperate.
Your guilt does nothing to fill her empty belly.
Feel guilty and post on a silly internet message board all you want....she is still hungry.
bluesbassman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 02:43 AM
Response to Reply #15
37. You did not create her problems.
They very fact that you feel anguish over this incident reveals your heart and integrity. To look upon someone in her condition and feel contempt, something you did not do by the way, that would be harsh. The previous poster was incorrect, and IMO out of line.
Sheets of Easter (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #12
55. You hit it out of the park and smashed a light, "The Natural" style.
The lofty OP isn't so much about the person in need as it is about how she feels. Hate to be so harsh, but I found nothing genuine in it.
AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #55
106. What's more...
...if a relatively "unknown" poster had written this, he or she would have been drawn and quartered for being heartless and uncaring. Seen it too many damned times here on DU to assume otherwise.
It sucks when the harsh realities of life smack you in the face. Peggy, if you want to feel better, volunteer time at the nearest shelter -- go the distance. Or, if there is any kind of charity that works with the poor where you live, go there. They can always use help of any kind.
If your conscience is so bothered, then do something other than seek solace in the company of your cheering section.
Sorry to be so harsh, too; Peggy always strike me as being a fair and genuine person. But I am just stunned at the hypocrisy here as she gets a pass on a reaction that would have drawn derision (and worse) from many here.
Oh, and before anyone asks, what do I do? I am a guest attendant at a homeless shelter, and I am just minutes away from going to work. I got into this work exactly because of the same feelings you described. It bothered me and my conscience to see homelessness up close. So I decided to help out where I could.
Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #106
161. Well, you are probably right about that, but CA-Peggy has demonstrated herself to be a very kind and compassionate poster to people here in the lounge, which is why she is being given the benefit of the doubt. If you had posted the same thing, knowing the line of work you are in, I would have posted in support of your feelings. Many others would have as well.
Although the internets aren't real life, people do get to 'know' each other via PM or emails or phone calls and when I see something posted by someone I've grown fond of that doesn't 'jell', I tend to give them a pass.
I think most people do. People can't be expected to always have 'up' days. We're not perfect.
Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #12
58. No need to be so harsh.
What would you have done? Myself, I don't know. I just don't know.
Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #12
75. They did feed her.
Sure she's hungry again today, but whether by poverty, mental illness or choice, the woman is homeless. There is nothing Peggy could have done to fix that.
Oh my again.
Oh me me me my.
This is an outstanding campfire.
Thank you, soleil, madam!
orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 02:04 AM
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27. so how did the story end peggy?
how did the meeting break up? did she go off with anyone? did she leave before the end of the meeting? did someone take her home with them? or somewhere? did she just wander outside alone and disappear?
did you talk to her? what did you talk about? how do you know she is mentally ill?
how do you know her? what was the relationship 30 years ago? do you think that had something to do with why you wanted her to go away?
there are people i knew 30 years ago that i probably wouldn't want to see or hang around with for very long.
i know i'm asking a lot of questions--but i'm just trying to imagine how things went. it's a little story, you know?
CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 02:14 AM
THE CALIFORNIA PIGGY PRIMITIVE, #10 TOP PRIMITIVE OF S009
Response to Reply #27
28. My dear orleans...
It's not much of an ending...
She disappeared into the restroom at the end of the meeting...
A few of us had been discussing what could be done for her...
One lady said she would offer to take her to some shelter.
But I left before she reappeared, so I have no idea what happened.
How did I know her? She was the daughter of one of our neighbors; my daughter was friends with her sister...
I did talk to her a little; I had trouble making sense of what she was saying. And I remembered that many years ago, she'd had some emotional/mental problems, and was under the care of a doctor. It could be that I'm being harsh in saying she's mentally ill... She didn't look right, for sure. Something was off...
I don't mind your asking all these questions...
Hmmmm.
Too bad this campfire's from 2008; otherwise, I'd nominate the California Piggy primitive for MOST HEARTLESS, INSENSITIVE PRIMITIVE OF THE YEAR.
Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 04:15 AM
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45. you're being very honest so I will be too
I think you need to do some real soul-searching - I do. Of course I don't think you're a BAD person but definitely you need to ask yourself why you try to help all kinds of anonymous people online with encouraging words and advice but are "embarrassed to know" and "wish would vanish" someone YOU USED TO KNOW who really, desperately needs help.
SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #45
54. Well said!
Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #50
166. This whole thread is disturbing to me.
Tells me a lot about people I once had some respect for.
Really disgusting.
And I see my comment in that thread. I want to puke. Always trying to be nice. Totally wish I could take that comment back and again tell her to SUCK IT! This was before I knew how she really was. I was fooled myself. :thatsright:
Aw-w-w-w!
And you gave her a hug too. How sweet.
:rotf: :tongue:
BellaLuna (184 posts) Wed Jun-25-08 01:20 PM
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80. So her situation was about YOU?
YOU were uncomfortable? Wow. Liberals in name only that when confronted with the hardships we fight to prevent in this country - don't want to deal with it are a big part of this country's problems.
Reminds me of a friend who was a big time protester about just about everything. Then the day came when forced busing of his kid hit his doorstep - all of a sudden all that stuff shouldn't apply to him but to others. It's ok to give lip service but it's time to put up or shut up he showed what a wimp he really was.
While I respect your honesty to admit that - you really need to ask yourself why you felt ashamed and why your first reaction wasn't to make her feel welcome and tend to her needs.
Also, you're not alone. If you were, we still wouldn't have all the problems we do in this country.
I'm sure I'll get flamed for being so blunt, but if a repuke did this everyone would be all over them for being heartless.
Look inside your soul Peggy and face what made you feel that way.
Oh excresence.
I can't pull myself away from this campfire.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 03:08 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE; #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #103
128. I love all these responses castigating Peggy for lacking compassion
WHILE you show no compassion for Peggy.
:BOOM: There goes another Irony Meter.
LOL!! It was a good one! I didn't know it at the time, but as I got more info on her, well it was like :thatsright:
Where is the throwing up smilie? :-)
:puke:
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 02:34 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #80
89. I won't flame you for being blunt. I'll flame you for being a bonehead and a bad reader. Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch.
Peggy shared what she felt in the situation. What is it about that that elicits judgment from YOU? I'm glad it was Peggy in that situation and not you -- you can't seem to handle reading about emotional discomfort. Who knows what YOU would have done presented with a much more immediate and much more distressing situation.
Who died and made you Freud? How dare you question someone else's feelings? Entitlement on skates. You should be ashamed of yourself.
SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 02:44 PM
Original message
Someone is a bonehead and it isn't Bellaluna.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 02:47 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Original message
100. Okay, extend that to both of you then.
And I say that as a long time advocate for the homeless and as someone who has had to deal with a homeless family member.
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #100
108. I've been homeless myself...
and *I* don't get where all the preachy BS is coming from.
Believing your own hype / holier-than-thou crap - THAT is liberals' biggest weakness. IMO.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 02:58 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #108
113. What the f#ck is the matter with people.
Okay -- I really don't want to know.
Code: [Select]:puke:
HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #93
96. She feels bad, she'll feel better if she find her and says
"Sorry for being all wierd the other night...etc"
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 02:46 PM
DOUG'S REALLY STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #96
99. That's for Peggy to decide, isn't it?
HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #99
118. Yes it is. I was making a suggestion, we're allowed to do that.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 03:05 PM
DOUG'S REALLY REALLY STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #118
123. Well, I need to take my own f#cking advice, don't I, HEyHEY?
Not only that, she saw a friend from waaaay back when who was homeless. She doesn't want homeless people in her life. She says so herself. DISGUSTING!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=7863471
And I see my comment in that thread. I want to puke. Always trying to be nice. Totally wish I could take that comment back and again tell her to SUCK IT! This was before I knew how she really was. I was fooled myself. :thatsright:
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 04:46 PM
DOUG'S REALLY REALLY REALLY STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #152
155. I'm put in mind of another Bella who decided, right here in the Lounge, to visit Andy in Baltimore just to make sure the donation she didn't give wasn't a rip off.
May be just me and my memory.
ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #132
253. It's my experience
That more people feel this way and pretend not to, than do this very public soul searching. Moral hypocrites are everywhere and especially difficult to identify on-line.
When confronted as the OP was with feelings obviously UNACCEPTABLE to her personally, she used a familiar, comfortable medium to vent them out. It takes guts to do that. I don't feel ripping her apart is productive or necessary.
A better response would have been to look up and post local shelters or food banks in a appropriate, courteous manner, share a personal experience where you helped someone in need, share an experience where you felt something similar to the OP and how you coped with it.
I can be rude as hell too, it's a lot easier than thinking things out. With a knee jerk reaction like that, you're part of the problem not the solution.
HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #253
262. Wasn't a knee jerk reaction
It was a suggestion.
Sheets of Easter (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #118
154. Bingo. If she can vent her spleen on a message board, she can expect advice as well.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 04:48 PM
DOUG'S REALLY.....REALLY.....REALLY.....REALLY.....REALLY STUPID EX-WIFE
Response to Reply #154
157. Do you even know what "spleen" means?
Sheets of Easter (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #157
160. LOL right back at you.
The spleen is an organ found in all vertebrate animals<1>. In humans, the spleen is located in the abdomen of the body, where it functions in the destruction of redundant red blood cells and holds a reservoir of blood. It is regarded as one of the centers of activity of the reticuloendothelial system (part of the immune system). It is increasingly recognized that its absence leads to a predisposition to certain infections.<2>
"In modern English, "to vent one's spleen" means to vent one's anger"
Perhaps it's not anger she is venting, but it is venting nonetheless.
And you'll have to do a lot better if you're trying to condescend me
Not only that, she saw a friend from waaaay back when who was homeless. She doesn't want homeless people in her life. She says so herself. DISGUSTING!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=7863471
And I see my comment in that thread. I want to puke. Always trying to be nice. Totally wish I could take that comment back and again tell her to SUCK IT! This was before I knew how she really was. I was fooled myself. :thatsright:
I want to help the homeless, but I don't want them in my life...
Just shoot me now, OK?
It was a good one. Again, I want to puke at my comment in that thread. If only I knew then....
Here is the fork thread! It is a good one. This was just when I was getting my clue about her. I normally couldn't care less what someone spends their own money on, but realizing how she was, well, it was fun!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=8887299
Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 01:46 PM
THE FORKED PRIMITIVE, WHO DOESN'T KNOW EXCRESENCE ABOUT SPORTS
Response to Original message
84. Understandable perhaps, but wrong.
Sorry, I know you're a nice person, but that's shitty.
I want to help the homeless, but I don't want them in my life...
Yuck.
Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 02:55 PM
THE FORKED PRIMITIVE, WHO DOESN'T KNOW EXCRESENSCE ABOUT SPORTS
Response to Reply #98
111. She was honest in expressing her feelings to us. That doesn't make those feelings correct.
Honesty isn't an absolute. Many people honestly believe in God. Many people honestly don't believe in God. Many people honestly don't know. Which one is correct?
CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 02:44 PM
THE CALIFORNIA PIGGY PRIMITIVE, #10 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Original message
97. I want to thank all of you for your responses.
I am not going to answer each one, unlike my usual habit.
I have done some soul-searching, and I believe I have a much better understanding now of why I behaved the way I did last night.
I called my daughter, but didn't reach her. I will eventually get to talk to her, and see what she knows.
If I encounter the homeless lady again, you can be sure my response will be different...
Thank you all for helping me understand myself.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 02:51 PM
DOUG'S REALLY.....OH FORGET IT.....STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #97
105. Peggy, listen to this. When my Doug went homeless
he had a black book with about 500 phone numbers of friends and associates in this city.
None of those numbers were called and none called to check on him.
A year went by and it's a good thing he was too broke to kill himself with crack or he'd be dead.
But, once a couple of us got the ball rolling, there were so many people who learned from what had happened and who are today more understanding of themselves and of others for that scary episode.
We have to learn somehow, lol. We don't come with handbooks for ourselves or for others.
I love you to death, Peggy. Thanks for being really real.
Still no Nemesis of the Bostonian Drunkard yet, the bobbling primitive.
Genevieve (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 04:11 PM
Response to Original message
134. The feelings you have towards the homeless are harsh, to say the least.
"I wanted her to vanish. I felt embarrassed to know her. I wanted to drop through the floor. I don't want them in my life."
You should do what I do - volunteer work once a week in a homeless shelter....May help relieving some of those feelings of repulsion you carry towards the unfortunate.
Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 04:37 PM
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141. You are a bad person, based solely on your emotional responses
Seriously, change the name of the OP from "CaliforniaPeggy" to "Friend_o'_Peg". What would you say to this hypothetical DUer? Sump'n like...
1. You can't get upset with yourself for having an emotional reaction--those are by definition irrational.
2. There's a very good chance that part of your brain was reminding you to draw an appropriate boundary with a socially challenged person.
3. The fact that you felt bad about wanting to get rid of them speaks well to your character. Your gut instinct was as strong toward not rejecting their needs as it was to not letting someone into you home who might distract from the purpose of your meeting.
Here in Houston I've worked with the homeless and with socially challenged people. It's never easy and it makes sense that you might not want to tackle the issue in the middle of a social gathering. I'm also guessing that you gave yourself permission to to feel that way because you knew there were others at the gathering who could offer the more direct support you might have wanted to give this poor woman.
Of course not having a homeless shelter nearby does present a logistical problem. I suggest in the future applying the "drunk on the floor" litmus test for how far to go in helping people. If someone passes out drunk on the ground, you shouldn't pick them up off the ground, because that makes it harder for them to get the help they need. But it is humane to put a blanket over them to keep them warm.
In this case that might mean buying someone a cab for that 15 mile trip to the shelter (or driving them yourself) instead of offering your home to someone who has trouble with competently living independently.
Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #147
156. Interesting that you posted that.
The neighbor I was referencing upthread ran a pretty good con game with our neighborhood for a while. No Christmas presents because there wasn't any money, very little food for the kids, you get the drift.
So, a bunch of us chipped in and put gifts and giftcards in the mailbox and on the porch so that the children could have a Christmas.
A few years later, marriage broke up and dad paid $345,000 for a house....CASH.
It certainly left me a bit jaded for a bit. The $150 Target gift card I bought them could have gone to someone who truly needed it.
Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #156
170. The aforementioned bank manager wrote down the balances of the first ten homeless people to walk into her bank the day after she first told this to us. The LOWEST balance was $42,000 and change. That's about ten times what's in my checking account. Imagine how I'd be doing if I didn't pay any income taxes. Two of them had over $100K.
I will never again give money to people who beg for a living. I might be bypassing some truly needy types, but I have no way of knowing anymore and I absolutely refuse to run the risk of helping these conmen assholes.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:02 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #170
175. I'm sorry but that story is completely unbelievable.
Was she a member then? I have to say I didn't know much about that poster until I came here. I now recall some people making fun (if you will) of her similar to how y'all do here. The whole being homeless but never missing a beat on DU thingy. I am not sure if I ever interacted with her, but I wonder if she was at DU at that time. IF she was, she must have missed that thread.
Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #177
183. How else can someone take, "I don't want them in my life."
Disturbing. Sad. Against everything I stand for as democratic.
Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #183
185. I think what she meant was it's upsetting for her. She's not indicating that she doesn't care about the homeless, but more that there is a very primal reaction for her and it's upsetting.
Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #185
189. Then she needs counseling from someone equipped to deal with her prejudices...
if she doesn't want honest reactions from DUers.
The Nemesis of the Bostonian Drunkard's been around a very long time.
I still can't find her at this campfire, though.
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:17 PM
NOT THE NIKKI PRIMITIVE WHO WENT TO THE ULMIC GLEN
Response to Reply #198
200. And that's disturbing and sad. And not compassionate.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:20 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #200
203. Well, people's real emotions are all of those things.
You weren't in the room with that lady. What's your excuse for showing no compassion to Peggy?
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:23 PM
NOT THE NIKKI PRIMITIVE WHO WENT TO THE ULMIC GLEN
Response to Reply #203
210. Compassion cuz she had to face her ****ed up feelings?
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:25 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #210
215. Excuse me? What is harder to face than something in yourself that you don't like or that disturbs you?
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:26 PM
NOT THE NIKKI PRIMITIVE WHO WENT TO THE ULMIC GLEN
Response to Reply #215
219. Hearing the truth... that it's sad and disgusting?
She's not there. Sorry to ruin your fun. :p
She's not there. Sorry to ruin your fun. :p
She must have been off being homeless that night!!
Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #181
186. "I wanted her to vanish...I want to help the homeless, but I don't want them in my life"
There is something wrong when someone who considers him or herself a Democrat holds those views.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:12 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #186
192. Consider that people have reactions that are different from responses.
Reactions happen to us, and Peggy was honest about hers.
Responses are different. They are the actions we think through.
I've had the same reaction to my own mother when she wss drunk and ugly. And that wasn't wrong, it was just there. My response to her after thought and checking in with good friends who didn't judge me -- that was something else again.
Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #192
197. Oh, baloney.
She posted at DU about her "reactions." Those reactions warrant appropriate reaction. My reaction was appropriate...and probably shared by others who want to say what I said, but are afraid to, because of the persona that CalPeggy puts forth on DU.
Some "reactions" deserve to be judged. Saying that one wishes a homeless person to disappear, that they don't want homeless people in their lives, is a reaction that deserved my response. And I was much more diplomatic in my response than what I would have said, had I posted as my initial inclination directed me.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:18 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #197
201. When you bring only your own reaction to someone else's reaction
what are you doing, exactly?
When you bring your judgment to someone's reaction, what are you doing?
Am I now supposed to praise you for being reactive and judgmental? You also had the choice to be receptive, reflective, compassionate and thoughtful.
Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #201
207. It's this simple. Person A posted her thoughts about an impoverished person.
Person B thought that Person A's thoughts were offensive.
Make it what you like, spin the semantics. Doesn't change the fact that a supposed DEMOCRAT wrote the OP, and another DEMOCRAT found the OP to be offensive.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:24 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #207
211. Nope. You are totallizing emotion with thinking. That's not semantics.
Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #211
216. No I'm not.
You're defending someone based on who she is, not what she posted.
Did you even see the irony of her signature line?
skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #181
188. I don't think it came from that
I think it came from "I wanted her to vanish... I felt embarrassed to know her... I wanted to drop through the floor..."
and especially, "I want to help the homeless, but I don't want them in my life..."
I love CalPeg as much as anyone in the Lounge and I admire her for admitting her feelings in this situation - that took guts and introspection.
But she did indeed pretty much say, let them eat cake with that last line.
Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #188
190. Thank you.
That's exactly what LITERALLY turned my stomach.
That last line.
Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #181
186. "I wanted her to vanish...I want to help the homeless, but I don't want them in my life"
There is something wrong when someone who considers him or herself a Democrat holds those views.
Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #205
208. Like someone above said, if Radio_Lady had posted the OP...
she'd been cyber-drawn-and-quartered.
People are excusing this not because of what it is, but because of who posted it.
Was she a member then? I have to say I didn't know much about that poster until I came here. I now recall some people making fun (if you will) of her similar to how y'all do here. The whole being homeless but never missing a beat on DU thingy. I am not sure if I ever interacted with her, but I wonder if she was at DU at that time. IF she was, she must have missed that thread. I wonder if she'd be all over CP or sympathize like so many did in that thread (me kind of included :cringe:).
Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:25 PM
Response to Original message
213. Peggy, you might want to change your signature line.
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:28 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #213
224. What an incredibly creepy thing to say.
Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #224
227. Nope. Incredibly honest.
The irony must have scalped you.
greatauntoftriplets DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 06:30 PM
Response to Original message
270. Locking.
This has turned into a flamefest.
greatauntoftriplets
DU Moderator
She posted in that thread, let me look for her response, it's totally different from how she sounds today.:confused: I did a search with her username and found nothing.
:confused: I did a search with her username and found nothing.
The end; there's a LOT MORE than what I quoted here.
Damn, that's a great campfire.
Again, thanks to soleil here to directed me to it.
I wonder how we all missed this two years ago.
It was a good one. Glad I could provide a little of entertainment on the, lol, Poet's behalf!!
One thing I got out of all of this was further confirmation of a suspicion I've had ever since I got to know Doug's stupid ex-wife, at the time the "sfexpat2000" primitive.
Doug's stupid ex-wife is definitely a cultist of the personality.
It doesn't matter what one does, it doesn't matter what one says.
All that matters is who one is.
As Maddy McCall pointed out at this campfire, if it had been some primitive Doug's ex-wife didn't like, Doug's ex-wife would've skewered the primitive for having such sentiments.
But, because it was the California piggy primitive, and because Doug's ex-wife likes the California piggy primitive, the sentiments were okay.
Ah, Beth.
By the way, I've looked all over Skins's island and notice an absence. This past week was the fifth anniversary of the death of the late red round one, and on previous anniversaries, there had been campfires burning in his memory, a reunion of the Andyites (many of whom no longer hang around Skins's island, or if they do, only rarely).
But this year, none.
Alas! for the late red round one! Alas! Forgotten already! Alas!
One wonders what's up with that.
Good find Soleil. The CPig primitive is truly disgusting, as is Beth Ferarri.
Aren't they, though?
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 05:24 PM
DOUG'S STUPID EX-WIFE, #03 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009
Response to Reply #207
211. Nope. You are totallizing emotion with thinking. That's not semantics.
This, to me, is an outstanding stupid-post-that-stands-alone. It made me LOL.
Not only that, she saw a friend from waaaay back when who was homeless. She doesn't want homeless people in her life. She says so herself. DISGUSTING!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=7863471
The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-25-08 01:15 AM
Response to Original message
11. My Dear Peggy
The only words of advice I can give you is to use your own ability at poetry to write about this.
I cannot judge you on this or understand what it is you know about it all, but knowing you I believe you could turn this into something positive for both yourself and this person through your insightful poems.
Give me a few and a few more drinks and even I might write a poem about it
You are a good woman Peggy, one that I admire, and I trust you here.
CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-12-10 12:02 AM
Original message
A Love Poem....for my Husband.....I Rise
from my bed and glory lies
at my feet
tiny flowers spring
as I walk
joy covers me
from mouth to
toes
I will know this bliss
forever
such completion is rare
beyond joy
beyond hope
the future
is why we live
why we love
the skies are gray
the sun shines
inside
me
it pulses my
heart
amplifies me
forever
with you
© 2010 MLC
Pretty boring. Tiny flowers spring as I walk? :bouncy: Bliss..completion....pulsing. At least she doesn't talk about bewbeez.
^ She WHAT?!?
Tell me you're joking. Please....I need to hear those two words.
I preach courtesy
Acceptance, Understanding
I do not follow.
**** you bums
Icky
A Love Poem For My Husband
Dark hair (greasy formula 44 works)
flecks of gray (but not on all hairs)
mustache and goatee (hasn't shaved in a week)
Tanned body (the age spots are growing together)
just the right amount of muscles (god I hope his gut doesn't get any bigger)
great legs (must be to carry all that weight)
manly (HAW)
Damn you're hot! (He's sweating on the sofa again...need to buy plastic cover)
If my wife wrote that poem, that's probably what she'd be thinking.... :rotf:
I like great legs on guys too, Ballygrl!
Hippywife posted a pic of her hubby's legs standing next to a chicken. Not hawt.
I like great legs on guys too, Ballygrl!
Hippywife posted a pic of her hubby's legs standing next to a chicken. Not hawt.
I like great legs on guys too, Ballygrl!
Hippywife posted a pic of her hubby's legs standing next to a chicken. Not hawt.
Grind Yourself
where do I go
how do I do that
am I alone
on the dance floor
will anyone
grind me
I’m someone
after all
My tender parts, all in place
well, maybe not my breasts, as they slap my knees in time
right now
I’m so aroused
I need to find a pole to grind against
just how do you go about
grinding someone
when they run
away
© 2010 M.
I like great legs on guys too, Ballygrl!
Hippywife posted a pic of her hubby's legs standing next to a chicken. Not hawt.
Shoot! I missed that - do you remember where it was posted? Not the cooking forum, for certain. :-)
I brought that campfire over here; I believe it was in the "gardening" forum. It might have been in the "rural" forum, but I think it was the "gardening" forum.
please do not copy w/o:-)permission or attributionfirst sending royalties to poet - Chica
please do not copy w/o permission or attribution first sending royalties to poet - Chica
J Lo, if you look in the thread here, "Mrs. Alfred Packer gets a new dog," and follow the link to the DUmp, the pic is there.
:-)
I brought that campfire over here; I believe it was in the "gardening" forum. It might have been in the "rural" forum, but I think it was the "gardening" forum.
It threw me for a loop, because chickens have nothing to do with gardening.
However, while not the brightest bulb in the room, franksolich knows what's going on.
Mrs. Alfred Packer, the "hippywife" primitive, is aware franksolich is writing a sex novel about her, and constantly seeks new material to liven up the story.
So Mrs. Alfred Packer, who usually posts in her favorite forum, the "cooking and baking" forum on Skins's island, one in a while tries to escape the notice of decent and civilized people by habituating other forums instead.
I think Mrs. Alfred Packer is being silly; franksolich is a nice guy, the salt of the earth, wouldn't hurt a flea, would give the shirt off his back, blahblahblah, &c., &c., &c.
Thanks - I got it now. That pic of the peddle-pusher wearing legs look quite young to me. I though HP was in her 40's or so. ??? I wonder if if it's someone else in the pic besides Bill? Maybe it's the UPS man, eh?
Oh good gawd!The "cute" FedEx man mysteriously disappeared after Mrs. Alfred Packer salivated over him.
He was last seen driving down a narrow one-lane country road, and behind some bushes alongside were waiting Wild Bill and his brothers, including the brother with both eyes on the same side of his nose.
About the time the sheriff found the missing vehicle, absent its driver, Wild Bill and his brothers, including the brother with no neck--and Mrs, Alfred Packer herself--were shish-kabobbing nearby.
A Love Poem....for my Dog.....Fruit Flies
circle the kitchen and rover lies
at my feet
tiny odors spring
form the carpet
fleas cover me
from mouth to
toes
they taste tangy
like 9 volt batteries
the socks on his feet
protect me
from scratches
rover knows
some special tricks
not learned
in obedience school
his love is deep
inside
me
rover
drags his ass
across the carpet
then
passes out
© 2010 M.
Moved to the Lounge already :rotf: :rotf:
This is made of pure 100% prime grade a WIN.
Angels weep at your eloquence my friend. You should be memorialized with a sexual position so that you would always take comfort in knowing that somewhere out there someone was hitting it "Miskie Style".
The lastest, greatest. She is getting brave and putting them in GD now.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8761320
I might get scolded again for talking about her over here! :lmao: And yes, I totally got scolded. :rotf: :lmao:
SCOLD THIS :bird:
The lastest, greatest. She is getting brave and putting them in GD now.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8761320
I might get scolded again for talking about her over here! :lmao: And yes, I totally got scolded. :rotf: :lmao:
SCOLD THIS :bird:
About this poem now, is Peg aware of how well the prisoners at Gitmo are actually treated?
OMG at being moved :lmao:
and :bird: to whoever scolded Soleil!
Your kind words are as awesome as they are disturbing - a rare and delightful combination !
I just read that poem.. CalPeg must be a fan of my satire because this poem is just way too easy to ignore.. :rotf: -- And to any lurking primitives - Feel free to blame soleil - because I would not have seen this without her help... :tongue: :-)
CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-16-10 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. My dear Parche!
Oh, no, never anal...
I tried to make it to the point, for sure!
Thanks!
(http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/images/hi2.gif)
*SNORT!* :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao:
I brought that campfire over here; I believe it was in the "gardening" forum. It might have been in the "rural" forum, but I think it was the "gardening" forum.
It threw me for a loop, because chickens have nothing to do with gardening.
However, while not the brightest bulb in the room, franksolich knows what's going on.
Mrs. Alfred Packer, the "hippywife" primitive, is aware franksolich is writing a sex novel about her, and constantly seeks new material to liven up the story.
So Mrs. Alfred Packer, who usually posts in her favorite forum, the "cooking and baking" forum on Skins's island, one in a while tries to escape the notice of decent and civilized people by habituating other forums instead.
I think Mrs. Alfred Packer is being silly; franksolich is a nice guy, the salt of the earth, wouldn't hurt a flea, would give the shirt off his back, blahblahblah, &c., &c., &c.
If I ever, ever, call anyone "my dear" please just shoot me now.
(Miskie, were you ever on the radio in MN?)
My Sexual Poem: AnalI think I actually became less of a person from reading that - GOOD JOB!! :-) :tongue:
strap on
ball gag
leather, chains,
Anal Ease
bars in the window
no sunlight
no sounds
no
escaping
me
fetid dark hole
rancid odor
cockroach in a filthy
corner- i'm
penetrating
no prying eyes see
bound, naked
prostrate figure
writhes
in my basement
no one can hear him
scream
no matter how much
he wants them
to
© 2010 M.
The scolding was from CP herself. Soon, I will post it for you all! It is great!
Did she begin with the nauseating "My dear soleil"? Anyway, :cheersmate: for getting under her skin, although only in a manner of speaking. :tongue:
Oh no! I quit being "my dear" long ago! And unfortunately, she has made me hate that term of endearment. Never ever ever will I say that. EVER.
I think it's hilarious the old sow is reading all of our comments over here and knashing her dentures.