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Title: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: bijou on April 10, 2010, 03:19:48 AM

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/04/10/article-1264964-09139BC7000005DC-188_468x324.jpg)

 Polish president Lech Kaczynski and his wife Maria have been killed after their plane  crashed on approach to Smolensk airport in western Russia.

A Polish official at the airport said there were no survivors.

Early reports are indicating that 87 people were on board.

The crash occurred about 1.5 km from Smolensk airport in foggy conditions.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1264964/BREAKING-NEWS-Plane-carrying-Polish-president-crashes-Russia.html#ixzz0kgS2TPyB
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: mamacags on April 10, 2010, 05:02:36 AM
That is horrible!  I wonder why they decided to fly the jet in such nasty weather?
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: BlueStateSaint on April 10, 2010, 05:49:40 AM
They were headed to a memorial for the victims of the Katyn (sp?) massacre in 1940, where Soviet troops exectued tens of thousands of captured Polish military officers.  The plane was trying to land in what is being described as "thick fog."
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on April 10, 2010, 07:13:13 AM
They were headed to a memorial for the victims of the Katyn (sp?) massacre in 1940, where Soviet troops exectued tens of thousands of captured Polish military officers.  The plane was trying to land in what is being described as "thick fog."
Oh dear...the CTers are going to have a field day.

Horrible news about a great and noble ally.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: littlelamb on April 10, 2010, 11:05:30 AM
Very sad for all those that died prayers for their families
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: crockspot on April 10, 2010, 11:38:44 AM
Most of the Polish power structure was on that plane. It's the perfect time to invade Poland. Let's roll!  :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: debk on April 10, 2010, 11:39:53 AM
How awful.... :(
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: crockspot on April 10, 2010, 11:43:20 AM
Death toll is up to about 132 now. Quite a few legislators, state department officials, national security people, heads of military, etc.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: debk on April 10, 2010, 11:52:56 AM
Death toll is up to about 132 now. Quite a few legislators, state department officials, national security people, heads of military, etc.


Have to wonder what this will do to the Polish government. Wonder if they do like we do....when the Pres is travelling the VP is somewhere safe?
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: Mr Mannn on April 10, 2010, 11:55:34 AM
Most of the Polish power structure was on that plane. It's the perfect time to invade Poland. Let's roll!  :evillaugh:
Terrible accidents do happen. While I don't want to join the ranks of conspiracy types, I am reminded of Russian adventurism in Georgia...AND the Russian poisoning of the Georgian president.

Putin is fighting the cold war all over again. Obama is oblivious to it. But Pooty toot wants his satellite/slave nations back in the fold again.  

With Russia's recent history of belligerence...can anyone blame the conspiracy types?  
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 10, 2010, 12:15:45 PM
The entire top brass of their military and government.

Thats not suspicious at all.

Russia wins again. Putin is investigating personally. The Fox is in charge of finding out who broke into the henhouse.

decapitation strike.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 10, 2010, 12:16:47 PM
Oh dear...the CTers are going to have a field day.

Horrible news about a great and noble ally.

It was idiotic to have all those top people on the same plane.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 10, 2010, 12:18:12 PM
Terrible accidents do happen. While I don't want to join the ranks of conspiracy types, I am reminded of Russian adventurism in Georgia...

Ukraine, Kyrgyzistan et al
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: Chris on April 10, 2010, 12:36:40 PM
The BBC published a partial list of casualties.

Quote
National leader:
President Lech Kaczynski and wife Maria
Other politicians:
Wladyslaw Stasiak, chief of the president's chancellery
Aleksander Szczyglo, chief of the National Security Office
Slawomir Skrzypek, National Bank of Poland chairman
Jerzy Szmajdzinski, deputy speaker of the lower house
Andrzej Kremer, Foreign Ministry's undersecretary of state
Stanislaw Komorowski, deputy minister of national defence
Przemyslaw Gosiewski, Law and Justice party deputy chair
Military chief:
Franciszek Gagor, chief of the General Staff
Cultural figures:
Andrzej Przewoznik, head of Poland's Council for the Protection of Struggle and Martyrdom Sites
Tomasz Merta, chief historical conservator

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8612825.stm
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: seabelle on April 10, 2010, 01:08:12 PM
Such a tragedy to wake up too this morning :(  Thoughts with the families and people of Poland on their loss.

Speaking of, has our Dear Leader Numbnuts expressed condolences on behalf of the American people to Poland ?  Or will Sarah Palin beat him to it with her facebook entry?
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: jinxmchue on April 10, 2010, 03:08:34 PM
It was idiotic to have all those top people on the same plane.

Ttrue, but they don't have as many choices in other countries as we do here.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: miskie on April 10, 2010, 06:29:07 PM
wow - that should make for some chaos

Prayers for all involved.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: Ptarmigan on April 10, 2010, 06:32:51 PM
Such a tragic event for Poland. Condolences to Poland. 
 :( :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: JohnMatrix on April 10, 2010, 06:37:28 PM
The entire top brass of their military and government.

Thats not suspicious at all.

Russia wins again. Putin is investigating personally. The Fox is in charge of finding out who broke into the henhouse.

decapitation strike.

no its not, PM and his ministers (the government) were not on the plane. 
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 10, 2010, 07:00:24 PM
no its not, PM and his ministers (the government) were not on the plane. 

Its still pretty strange to see this many officials on a single plane
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: JohnMatrix on April 10, 2010, 07:16:51 PM
Its still pretty strange to see this many officials on a single plane

i agree, i read somewhere else that 3 or 4 planes went, and the others made it safely
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: Airwolf on April 10, 2010, 08:35:03 PM
Prayers and condolences to the country of Poland for their loss and to all of the families. Its a horrible tragedy that's taken place .
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: JLO on April 10, 2010, 08:37:32 PM
It was idiotic to have all those top people on the same plane.

Absolutely it was.  I know companies that don't even put the top management in the same plane.

Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: JohnnyReb on April 11, 2010, 12:53:45 AM

Have to wonder what this will do to the Polish government. Wonder if they do like we do....when the Pres is travelling the VP is somewhere safe?

Now there's a job I wouldn't want....baby sitting Joe Biden.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: JohnMatrix on April 11, 2010, 01:02:15 AM
Now there's a job I wouldn't want....baby sitting Joe Biden.

Poland actually has no vice president
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russ
Post by: TheSarge on April 11, 2010, 02:17:39 AM
no its not, PM and his ministers (the government) were not on the plane. 

Imagine that!  Look who shows up at the slightest mention of the USSR!

Color me shocked  :whatever:
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: Mr Mannn on April 11, 2010, 10:41:49 AM
 :thatsright:Thats just great. I thought CC banned JM.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: ColonialMarine0431 on April 11, 2010, 11:23:16 AM
Oh Lawdy. Some people on the interwebs are already saying that Vlad "The Impaler" Putin had something to do with this.  :mental:
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russ
Post by: docstew on April 11, 2010, 11:39:26 AM
:thatsright:Thats just great. I thought CC banned JM.

No, just been a while since anyone has blamed the USSR or Marxism for some dastardly deed, so he didn't feel the need to post.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: The Village Idiot on April 11, 2010, 11:50:11 AM
Oh Lawdy. Some people on the interwebs are already saying that Vlad "The Impaler" Putin had something to do with this.  :mental:

Russia has been making moves in Ukraine, Georgia and now Kyrgyzistan. They are definitely upset about the Polish governments cooperation with the US.

So, no, I wouldn't put it past them.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: ColonialMarine0431 on April 11, 2010, 12:16:47 PM
Russia has been making moves in Ukraine, Georgia and now Kyrgyzistan. They are definitely upset about the Polish governments cooperation with the US.

So, no, I wouldn't put it past them.

Nor I. But this appears to just be an accident. No doubt though that Vlad is privately happy about it.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russ
Post by: JohnMatrix on April 11, 2010, 03:32:01 PM
No, just been a while since anyone has blamed the USSR or Marxism for some dastardly deed, so he didn't feel the need to post.

so no one here disliked that nuclear weapons treaty? no one disliked what happened in Kyrgyzstan?  I guess its ok to make statements like that, after all, who needs facts to get in the way of whatever they want to say? :whatever:
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russ
Post by: JohnMatrix on April 11, 2010, 03:33:26 PM
Imagine that!  Look who shows up at the slightest mention of the USSR!

Color me shocked  :whatever:

imagine that! look who shows up and demonstrates that he is either ignorant or is just a fan of making false statements.  Actually, it's probably a bit of both.

color me shocked. after all, its not like you really have anything of substance to add :whatever:
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: LC EFA on April 11, 2010, 05:02:42 PM
Thin Ice Mr Matrix. You are treading on it.

You wanna call out the moderators - take it to fight club.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russ
Post by: Mr Mannn on April 11, 2010, 05:05:46 PM
spoken in anger.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: ColonialMarine0431 on April 11, 2010, 05:35:15 PM
What kind of idjit disrespects the chain of command and goes after a Mod when said Mod made a rather innocuous comment?
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russ
Post by: docstew on April 12, 2010, 01:38:04 AM
so no one here disliked that nuclear weapons treaty? no one disliked what happened in Kyrgyzstan?  I guess its ok to make statements like that, after all, who needs facts to get in the way of whatever they want to say? :whatever:

If anyone doesn't like the Kyrgyzstan thing, it's me, since I'm stuck in Afghanistan because of it.  And I stand by my earlier statement, you come and make comments when anyone badmouths the USSR, Russia, or Marx.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russ
Post by: JohnMatrix on April 12, 2010, 01:42:43 AM
If anyone doesn't like the Kyrgyzstan thing, it's me, since I'm stuck in Afghanistan because of it.  And I stand by my earlier statement, you come and make comments when anyone badmouths the USSR, Russia, or Marx.

then you stand by a statement that is simply not true.  Its really not hard to check my post history.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russ
Post by: Mr Mannn on April 12, 2010, 06:03:36 AM
then you stand by a statement that is simply not true.  Its really not hard to check my post history.
(checks history)
Yep. Everywhere you post you start fights and disrupt the board.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: dutch508 on April 12, 2010, 07:37:56 AM
Nor I. But this appears to just be an accident. No doubt though that Vlad is privately happy about it.

The russians in the past made quiet a few accidents happen...and yeah, that was my first thought too. BLAM!- the entire Polish government wiped out...almost. They were heading to a ceremony to Katyn, where the Russians wiped out almost the entire senior military cadre of Poland.


co-winkie-dink?

Oh...and John is a ****stick.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russ
Post by: TheSarge on April 12, 2010, 11:20:27 AM
Oh Lawdy. Some people on the interwebs are already saying that Vlad "The Impaler" Putin had something to do with this.  :mental:

Why is that such a crazy idea?  It was the first thing that came to my mind when I heard about it.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russ
Post by: TheSarge on April 12, 2010, 11:22:55 AM
What kind of idjit disrespects the chain of command and goes after a Mod when said Mod made a rather innocuous comment?

Who does stuff like that?  Someone who doesn't like any criticism of The Evil Empire.

That's who.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russ
Post by: TheSarge on April 12, 2010, 11:29:19 AM
imagine that! look who shows up and demonstrates that he is either ignorant or is just a fan of making false statements.  Actually, it's probably a bit of both.

color me shocked. after all, its not like you really have anything of substance to add :whatever:

Did I touch a nerve Comrade?  Piss you off a little that you are so predictable?

Insult me all you want you bootlicking Soviet apologist but it just highlights how right I am about you.

As for contributions...perhaps if you showed up more than just to defend all things Putin you'd see just exactly
how much I do contribute.
 

Till you do that...STFU and go polish your gold platedP Communist Party membership card
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: dutch508 on April 12, 2010, 11:43:08 AM
So, anyway...I got a call from Mrs Dutch. Seems Boy No. 3 (the youngest and least likely to take an Anger Management Course) just got into a fight at school. Seems one of the normal troublemakers was trading insults with Boy No. 3 and when he figured out he was loosing, shoved Boy No. 3 who promptly layed him out.

Boy No. 3 has lost his playground time for a week. The other kid is suspended.

Boy No. 3 is up for his second degree in Tae Kwon Do.

I just wanted to add this because John is a ****stick.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russ
Post by: TheSarge on April 12, 2010, 11:58:15 AM
I always told my kids i'd come to their defense at school if they got in a fight so long as they threw the second punch and not the first.
Title: Re: Polish president and wife among '87 confirmed dead' as plane crashes in Russia
Post by: dutch508 on April 12, 2010, 12:27:06 PM
Let me clarify:

Second Degree Black Belt in TKD.


...and John is a ****stick.