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The backlash: Reform turns personal
By JAKE SHERMAN & MARIN COGAN | 3/24/10 4:51 AM EDT
Politico
Louise Slaughter and Bart Stupak have received death threats.
A tea party participant published what he thought was Thomas Perriello’s home address and urged disgruntled voters to “drop by†for a “good face-to-face chat.â€
Vandals broke windows at Slaughter’s office in New York and Gabrielle Giffords’s office in Arizona.
Politico-The backlash: Reform turns personal (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34907.html)
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Things are getting really volatile. Thomas Jefferson is right with this quote, "The tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots."
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Vandalism and threats of death, where they occur, are just as stupid as Stupak was to even think that Lord Zero's EO was going to keep public funding of abortions from happening....
Slaughter's idea, in the end, wasn't adopted, so what's the point?
People who are doing this kind of shit are Dumbasses, no matter which side of the political spectrum they find themselves.
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Vandalism and threats of death, where they occur, are just as stupid as Stupak was to even think that Lord Zero's EO was going to keep public funding of abortions from happening....
Slaughter's idea, in the end, wasn't adopted, so what's the point?
People who are doing this kind of shit are Dumbasses, no matter which side of the political spectrum they find themselves.
True, but I can see some DUmmie jumping up and down in a saloon somewhere.....yelling, We won!...We won!....and some biker tearing him/her/it apart, and eating the pieces.......
doc
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I guess some folks in Washington forgot about Jefferson's words of the tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants....
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Vandalism and threats of death, where they occur, are just as stupid as Stupak was to even think that Lord Zero's EO was going to keep public funding of abortions from happening....
Slaughter's idea, in the end, wasn't adopted, so what's the point?
People who are doing this kind of shit are Dumbasses, no matter which side of the political spectrum they find themselves.
I am not entirely in agreement here Eupher sir. It has become blatantly apparent to me that the democratic process has broken down here and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. The back room deals, threat of Slaughter, cash payments to Congresspeople to buy their votes, disallowing ANY input from the people represented by the Republicans in office, spending an entire YEAR demonizing the insurance companies and pharmaceutical giants then pass a bill that will funnel BILLIONS to them.
What the **** is Democratic about that?
Where do we draw the line?
What are our options here? Do we acquiesce or how do we stand up to these ass-hats AND punish them for their outright purposeful attack on the Constitution?
Threatening to hang the treasonous bastards, and yes, eviscerating the Constitution as the democrats have done is nothing short of treason and execution is a viable punishment for treason.
Ok, let's just arrest them then let them **** around in the courts for the next ten years.
The only thing these leftist assholes UNDERSTAND is the violent reactions they gave to "The Man" during their glory years of the 60's, Vietnam and all of the imaginary social injustice they hate America for.
Bloodying their nose is not enough!
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I am not entirely in agreement here Eupher sir. It has become blatantly apparent to me that the democratic process has broken down here and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. The back room deals, threat of Slaughter, cash payments to Congresspeople to buy their votes, disallowing ANY input from the people represented by the Republicans in office, spending an entire YEAR demonizing the insurance companies and pharmaceutical giants then pass a bill that will funnel BILLIONS to them.
What the **** is Democratic about that?
Where do we draw the line?
What are our options here? Do we acquiesce or how do we stand up to these ass-hats AND punish them for their outright purposeful attack on the Constitution?
Threatening to hang the treasonous bastards, and yes, eviscerating the Constitution as the democrats have done is nothing short of treason and execution is a viable punishment for treason.
Ok, let's just arrest them then let them **** around in the courts for the next ten years.
The only thing these leftist assholes UNDERSTAND is the violent reactions they gave to "The Man" during their glory years of the 60's, Vietnam and all of the imaginary social injustice they hate America for.
Bloodying their nose is not enough!
PG, a death threat is just plain stupid. There's no other way to put it. I understand the outrage - indeed, I feel it myself.
But to resort to penny-ante vandalism (which it certainly is not -- glass is expensive these days) is foolish -- who's going to pay for the damage done to Slaughter's office? Slaughter herself? No sir, you and I are going to pay for that via our taxes and our support of Slaughter and the rest of her cronies.
Feeling the outrage and the pain does not in any way warrant and justify breaking the law to express that outrage, no matter how Patrick Henry-ish it may seem.
It looks to me like most of the Tea Partiers got a very visceral reaction out of the lib government and the MSM and they did it by peaceful demonstrations and voices raised in protest.
Noise doesn't communicate a threat -- bricks and weapons do.
We're a long way from revolution on this because the backlash is just starting. I implore you to give it some time and be patient. Let the system work.
November is not that far off. Apart from our voices, the only viable weapon we should be brandishing at this point is our vote.
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Vandalism and threats of death, where they occur, are just as stupid as Stupak was to even think that Lord Zero's EO was going to keep public funding of abortions from happening....
Slaughter's idea, in the end, wasn't adopted, so what's the point?
People who are doing this kind of shit are Dumbasses, no matter which side of the political spectrum they find themselves.
The problem though, has been that every incident of this kind of crap which has been investigated and prosecuted in the last year or so has been done by moonbats trying to gin up outrage at their political opponents. (The vandalism against the Dim'Rat headquarters in Denver comes immediately to mind. Some DUmbass hippie on a bicycle was caught on video camera smashing out the office windows in question.)
Beck had an important warning for those of us trying to keep the country upright: the marxists are intentionally trying to provoke an incident from us "on the right". It's part of the Alinsky model, and they're following it to the letter. Keep your temper firmly in control as you join with others to protest the injustices coming out of Washington lately, and keep a video camera or cell phone with video capability on hand to DOCUMENT what's really going on, because if their agents provocateur can create an incident, like Rahm Emmanuel says, they're not going to let it go to waste.
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ACORN followers are just trying to incite sympathy
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ACORN followers are just trying to incite sympathy
They are. It is therefore imperative that you don't give them anything to use against you. If they can twist the truth and paint you as the aggressor, they will.
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Nobody gave them anything. These are self-inflicted for the PR value like all those "hate crimes" that turn out to be bogus.
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The problem though, has been that every incident of this kind of crap which has been investigated and prosecuted in the last year or so has been done by moonbats trying to gin up outrage at their political opponents. (The vandalism against the Dim'Rat headquarters in Denver comes immediately to mind. Some DUmbass hippie on a bicycle was caught on video camera smashing out the office windows in question.)
Beck had an important warning for those of us trying to keep the country upright: the marxists are intentionally trying to provoke an incident from us "on the right". It's part of the Alinsky model, and they're following it to the letter. Keep your temper firmly in control as you join with others to protest the injustices coming out of Washington lately, and keep a video camera or cell phone with video capability on hand to DOCUMENT what's really going on, because if their agents provocateur can create an incident, like Rahm Emmanuel says, they're not going to let it go to waste.
Hi,
No one has mentioned the possiblity that the people who did the stupid things were not democrat operatives trying to create a situation so the Department of Homeland Security can crack down on the Tea Party folks. Until folks can be found, tried and hopefully convicted and punished, let's not jump to conclusions as to the motivation of the folks involved.
They may have been well paid by acorn, soros or some other nitwith to stir up the pot.
regards,
5412
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PG, a death threat is just plain stupid. There's no other way to put it. I understand the outrage - indeed, I feel it myself.
But to resort to penny-ante vandalism (which it certainly is not -- glass is expensive these days) is foolish -- who's going to pay for the damage done to Slaughter's office? Slaughter herself? No sir, you and I are going to pay for that via our taxes and our support of Slaughter and the rest of her cronies.
Feeling the outrage and the pain does not in any way warrant and justify breaking the law to express that outrage, no matter how Patrick Henry-ish it may seem.
It looks to me like most of the Tea Partiers got a very visceral reaction out of the lib government and the MSM and they did it by peaceful demonstrations and voices raised in protest.
Noise doesn't communicate a threat -- bricks and weapons do.
We're a long way from revolution on this because the backlash is just starting. I implore you to give it some time and be patient. Let the system work.
November is not that far off. Apart from our voices, the only viable weapon we should be brandishing at this point is our vote.
Remember this my dearest friend: The "MAIN" reason for the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution, is to guard American citizens against tyranny. In very simple terms, in some cases, guarding against tyranny is putting a bullet in the head of government tools when they become dictators and fail to follow the Constitution and violate our God Ordained rights as enumerated by the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution.
Additionally, the Bill of Rights is NOT a document stating the rights given us citizens by the federal government. Rather, the Bill of Rights is a Constitutional document DICTATING how the federal government SHALL *NOT* infirnge upon those rights as endowed upon us citizens/individuals by our creator.
As much as *I* would like to believe, the Second Amendment is not just for hunting and protection from criminals, it is for protection against tyranny. That is where the death threats come in.
"**** with my guaranteed God given Constitutional rights and there is a good chance that you will become an end-user of my Second Amendment rights per se."
The mother-****ers, regardless of how the "Main Stream Media" labels label them, need to know that there are elements in this nation that fully believe in and will act upon every resource available to them to ensure power hunger leftists will not infringe upon their freedoms. If that means making sure they know that their UNCONSTITUTIONAL actions will result in potentially DEATHLY consequences, so be it. Besides, they ****tards do NOT have compromise in their mindset so it is either one extreme or the other" Lose freedoms when enacting their laws or lose their existence because of it.
Which is more important to you by the way?
Listen my friend, a few hundred dollars, in fact a few hundred million is zero compared to the cost of the freedoms we have lost here.
Can you reconcile those costs in a government or IRS budget?
I cannot. Already 0bama and his little Eichmann supporter's have plunged this nation into $10+ TRILLION in debt with the Fannie/Freddie and the bailouts and because of this, hyper inflation is on the horizon.
As far as "breaking the law" goes, 0bama and "dead-eye with the Thousand-Mile-Stare, Botox-Frozen, Medusa-Faced" Pelosi have already done so. I know, bad behavior on ones part does NOT justify bad behavior on another's part and I agree with you on this but I am seriously afraid we are moving to a "no other choice" situation here.
November looms on the horizon. Change is warranted and demanded, or else....
I guess my rant is over for now.
Thank you...
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The problem though, has been that every incident of this kind of crap which has been investigated and prosecuted in the last year or so has been done by moonbats trying to gin up outrage at their political opponents. (The vandalism against the Dim'Rat headquarters in Denver comes immediately to mind. Some DUmbass hippie on a bicycle was caught on video camera smashing out the office windows in question.)
Beck had an important warning for those of us trying to keep the country upright: the marxists are intentionally trying to provoke an incident from us "on the right". It's part of the Alinsky model, and they're following it to the letter. Keep your temper firmly in control as you join with others to protest the injustices coming out of Washington lately, and keep a video camera or cell phone with video capability on hand to DOCUMENT what's really going on, because if their agents provocateur can create an incident, like Rahm Emmanuel says, they're not going to let it go to waste.
Did Aliksky program for a backlash so great that the firearm-less bong sucking queer hippies are so overwhelmed, that they are DESTROYED in three days, their institutions burned to the ground, their homes (communes) eviscerated, and their offices burned to the ground in a wink of an eye?
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Remember this my dearest friend: The "MAIN" reason for the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution, is to guard American citizens against tyranny. In very simple terms, in some cases, guarding against tyranny is putting a bullet in the head of government tools when they become dictators and fail to follow the Constitution and violate our God Ordained rights as enumerated by the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution.
Additionally, the Bill of Rights is NOT a document stating the rights given us citizens by the federal government. Rather, the Bill of Rights is a Constitutional document DICTATING how the federal government SHALL *NOT* infirnge upon those rights as endowed upon us citizens/individuals by our creator.
As much as *I* would like to believe, the Second Amendment is not just for hunting and protection from criminals, it is for protection against tyranny. That is where the death threats come in.
"**** with my guaranteed God given Constitutional rights and there is a good chance that you will become an end-user of my Second Amendment rights per se."
The mother-****ers, regardless of how the "Main Stream Media" labels label them, need to know that there are elements in this nation that fully believe in and will act upon every resource available to them to ensure power hunger leftists will not infringe upon their freedoms. If that means making sure they know that their UNCONSTITUTIONAL actions will result in potentially DEATHLY consequences, so be it. Besides, they ****tards do NOT have compromise in their mindset so it is either one extreme or the other" Lose freedoms when enacting their laws or lose their existence because of it.
Which is more important to you by the way?
Listen my friend, a few hundred dollars, in fact a few hundred million is zero compared to the cost of the freedoms we have lost here.
Can you reconcile those costs in a government or IRS budget?
I cannot. Already 0bama and his little Eichmann supporter's have plunged this nation into $10+ TRILLION in debt with the Fannie/Freddie and the bailouts and because of this, hyper inflation is on the horizon.
As far as "breaking the law" goes, 0bama and "dead-eye with the Thousand-Mile-Stare, Botox-Frozen, Medusa-Faced" Pelosi have already done so. I know, bad behavior on ones part does NOT justify bad behavior on another's part and I agree with you on this but I am seriously afraid we are moving to a "no other choice" situation here.
November looms on the horizon. Change is warranted and demanded, or else....
I guess my rant is over for now.
Thank you...
Thomas Jefferson said this, "The tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots."
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Yes, I believe the time has come for a real ass-kicking.
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Thomas Jefferson said this, "The tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots."
The thing of this is - we have some people that vehemently believe this and will act upon it.
Is that wrong?
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Remember this my dearest friend: The "MAIN" reason for the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution, is to guard American citizens against tyranny. In very simple terms, in some cases, guarding against tyranny is putting a bullet in the head of government tools when they become dictators and fail to follow the Constitution and violate our God Ordained rights as enumerated by the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution.
Additionally, the Bill of Rights is NOT a document stating the rights given us citizens by the federal government. Rather, the Bill of Rights is a Constitutional document DICTATING how the federal government SHALL *NOT* infirnge upon those rights as endowed upon us citizens/individuals by our creator.
As much as *I* would like to believe, the Second Amendment is not just for hunting and protection from criminals, it is for protection against tyranny. That is where the death threats come in.
"**** with my guaranteed God given Constitutional rights and there is a good chance that you will become an end-user of my Second Amendment rights per se."
The mother-****ers, regardless of how the "Main Stream Media" labels label them, need to know that there are elements in this nation that fully believe in and will act upon every resource available to them to ensure power hunger leftists will not infringe upon their freedoms. If that means making sure they know that their UNCONSTITUTIONAL actions will result in potentially DEATHLY consequences, so be it. Besides, they ****tards do NOT have compromise in their mindset so it is either one extreme or the other" Lose freedoms when enacting their laws or lose their existence because of it.
Which is more important to you by the way?
Listen my friend, a few hundred dollars, in fact a few hundred million is zero compared to the cost of the freedoms we have lost here.
Can you reconcile those costs in a government or IRS budget?
I cannot. Already 0bama and his little Eichmann supporter's have plunged this nation into $10+ TRILLION in debt with the Fannie/Freddie and the bailouts and because of this, hyper inflation is on the horizon.
As far as "breaking the law" goes, 0bama and "dead-eye with the Thousand-Mile-Stare, Botox-Frozen, Medusa-Faced" Pelosi have already done so. I know, bad behavior on ones part does NOT justify bad behavior on another's part and I agree with you on this but I am seriously afraid we are moving to a "no other choice" situation here.
November looms on the horizon. Change is warranted and demanded, or else....
I guess my rant is over for now.
Thank you...
Yeah, it is a nice rant. I hope you feel better.
I'm just not with you on the "revolution" thing. Sorry.
And good luck. It sounds like if this goes south, you'll be one of those guys that they'll be tracking down up in the Sierra Nevadas.....
If that's what floats your boat, who am I to say you're wrong?
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Thomas Jefferson said this, "The tree of liberty must from time to time be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots."
The soil samples have been tested and the results have come back and here is what is needed....lot more tyrant blood and only a dash of patriot blood.
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For a lot of reasons......not the least of which is the future of this Forum......we want to be VERY careful of our choice of words here......
Lets discuss this in a thoughtful, and civil manner.......
doc
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I think these are staged like the Reichstag fire
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I think these are staged like the Reichstag fire
...and the Gob-buls(queer) controlled MSM will spin the story to their advantage.
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I think these are staged like the Reichstag fire
I agree.
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I think these are staged like the Reichstag fire
Same here.
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Did Aliksky program for a backlash so great that the firearm-less bong sucking queer hippies are so overwhelmed, that they are DESTROYED in three days, their institutions burned to the ground, their homes (communes) eviscerated, and their offices burned to the ground in a wink of an eye?
Alinsky programmed for CHAOS to be an opportunity; and the state-run propaganda ministry would spin those bong-sucking queers into martyrs in a heart beat.
The second amendment enshrines the right to bear arms, but only IN SELF DEFENSE. Picking up a rifle and hitting the streets looking for a fight is not what the founders had in mind. Protect your home and family - from the government, if that's who the threat turns out to be - and unite with friends and neighbors to defend their homes and yours.
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I have a gut feeling, breaking down the second ammendment is the next lib project.
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I have a gut feeling, breaking down the second ammendment is the next lib project.
They lost that one in SCOTUS.....they could try, but they would likely get their chops smacked by the Supremes....
doc
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Hopefully, SCOTUS will shoot down the healthcare bill as well.
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If the whole system of our checks and balances in our three branches works....
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The mother-****ers, regardless of how the "Main Stream Media" labels label them, need to know that there are elements in this nation that fully believe in and will act upon every resource available to them to ensure power hunger leftists will not infringe upon their freedoms. If that means making sure they know that their UNCONSTITUTIONAL actions will result in potentially DEATHLY consequences, so be it. Besides, they ****tards do NOT have compromise in their mindset so it is either one extreme or the other" Lose freedoms when enacting their laws or lose their existence because of it.
First of all, I know your ranting, but some things I wish for you to consider if you will.
I have spent most of my life in warfare. I have fought against revolutionaries and for revolutionaries. My time in intel and working with spec op units (I worked directly with them in the field albeit I did not graduate from their schools, I was a specialist). So when I hear of people who speak of taking up arms or resorting to violence, at this point in the game, I shake my head in shame.
Why?
While I agree with you that the second amendment does serve for our direct final and last resort against a tyrannical government. There is a time and place for all things.
May I present to you this concept. Sun Tzu, Art of War: Title 1, Num 20
Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder and crush him.
They are baiting us my friend. In order to survive a revolution, especially of the armed kind you MUST HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE! Right now anyone who thinks of doing anything is nothing but a single armed bandit. Why would you not have the support of the people? Things have not progressed far enough for the people to warrant war.
People are still in a daze. In truth they do not realize what is coming. They have no idea of how bad things are going to get. There is going to be MUCH more pain before anyone is ready to fire a rifle.
My advice for you is to play the good Republican on a conservative forum, wait patiently. Prepare yourself and your family for very difficult times. Prepare your mind. Do nothing that is not of value. Accept the possibility of your death whether financial, physical or otherwise. Get to know God on a very personal level.
When the American people are ready, they will let those of us who know how to truly make war know.
I will give you this consolation though, it comes from Thomas Jefferson:
And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just and that His justice cannot sleep forever.
Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 18, 1781
Have patience.
It will seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first. Even though it is a path of a thousand miles you walk it one step at a time.
Miyamoto Musashi
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They lost that one in SCOTUS.....they could try, but they would likely get their chops smacked by the Supremes....
doc
Not really. The 2nd has yet to be incorporated like the 1st and 4th have for instance.
IMO the SCOTUS has yet to make a full, clear ruling on the 2nd.
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Not really. The 2nd has yet to be incorporated like the 1st and 4th have for instance.
IMO the SCOTUS has yet to make a full, clear ruling on the 2nd.
The only piece that they haven't done is apply it to the states and localities......Heller established the fundamental right, which is the big hurdle......that forbids Federal action......the states have always had a certain autonomy when it comes to gun laws, it will be great if the Chicago case comes in on our side, but its not essential....
doc
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To my friends here and to anyone that is new. I suggest this. We try all avenues of law available to us and use the ballot box. We waste no time and effirt in meaningless gestures nor do we give the enemies of freedom the rope to hang us with. In due time we may unfortunately have to cross the final line into a rebellion but not before we rightfully and honestly use the law and our votes to make this Government work. If it should fail in the end then and only then should we even consider the consequences of action against our fellow Americans.
As was said before choose your words wisely and wait patiently. We can live with what has happened. There is time and others have taken legal action to stop this abuse of Government powers. We must let them win or lose in a court of law before we continue our course of action. With God's good grace we will see everything they have done become a distant memory and their ideas are trampled under the foot of history as their agenda and their part is left in ruins by their own actions,not ours.
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Well, from all the gossip I've heard, our small town tea party has been run off county property but we have a lot better place to meet now.....and all indications are that we're gonna need it...... :rotf:
The more they push the more people are pushing back.
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To my friends here and to anyone that is new. I suggest this. We try all avenues of law available to us and use the ballot box. We waste no time and effirt in meaningless gestures nor do we give the enemies of freedom the rope to hang us with. In due time we may unfortunately have to cross the final line into a rebellion but not before we rightfully and honestly use the law and our votes to make this Government work. If it should fail in the end then and only then should we even consider the consequences of action against our fellow Americans.
As was said before choose your words wisely and wait patiently. We can live with what has happened. There is time and others have taken legal action to stop this abuse of Government powers. We must let them win or lose in a court of law before we continue our course of action. With God's good grace we will see everything they have done become a distant memory and their ideas are trampled under the foot of history as their agenda and their part is left in ruins by their own actions,not ours.
Sound advice.... I agree with every word.
When emotions run high people tend to jump and want to solve the issue with direct action. Perhaps the words direct action should be used instead of violence. It seems more appropriate in these times.
One thing to consider is that war has many forms and shapes. It first begins with the mind. Then the end is with the weapons. In between is politics. At this moment there is no way we should or have the need to advance to weapons. I am not saying that "direct action" is never acceptable. I am not that naive. What I am saying is that the battles must be won in the mind first. A clear objective must be given and a clear threat presented. In order to defend there must be a need to defend that justifies the action used to defend.
At this point they have given nothing but taunts. Even with legislation passed such as HC, many are clearly upset just as I was upset with Bush on the Patriot Act. You see I have personally been waiting for far much longer than many here.
The clock is ticking. We are running out of time before we are cornered like an animal. Look at Greece, and imagine how we will deal with what is coming. The question of what is the right action will be on many more minds in the near future and with a far more sobering reality than high emotions over a piece of legislation in the near future. The HC bill is a small minute power grab compared to what will come next.
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Yeah, it is a nice rant. I hope you feel better.
I'm just not with you on the "revolution" thing. Sorry.
And good luck. It sounds like if this goes south, you'll be one of those guys that they'll be tracking down up in the Sierra Nevadas.....
If that's what floats your boat, who am I to say you're wrong?
Hey, that is all fine and well man. Be part of the solution or be succumbed to the problem. It is your life and I fully believe that giving in will get YOUR nuts cut off.
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For a lot of reasons......not the least of which is the future of this Forum......we want to be VERY careful of our choice of words here......
Lets discuss this in a thoughtful, and civil manner.......
doc
Puppies and more cowbell is a good start here... :whatever:
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Alinsky programmed for CHAOS to be an opportunity; and the state-run propaganda ministry would spin those bong-sucking queers into martyrs in a heart beat.
The second amendment enshrines the right to bear arms, but only IN SELF DEFENSE. Picking up a rifle and hitting the streets looking for a fight is not what the founders had in mind. Protect your home and family - from the government, if that's who the threat turns out to be - and unite with friends and neighbors to defend their homes and yours.
Ahhhhh...a "well Armed Militia" is USUALLY used for what????????
(Pssst...it ain't turkey hunting...)
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First of all, I know your ranting, but some things I wish for you to consider if you will.
I have spent most of my life in warfare. I have fought against revolutionaries and for revolutionaries. My time in intel and working with spec op units (I worked directly with them in the field albeit I did not graduate from their schools, I was a specialist). So when I hear of people who speak of taking up arms or resorting to violence, at this point in the game, I shake my head in shame.
Why?
While I agree with you that the second amendment does serve for our direct final and last resort against a tyrannical government. There is a time and place for all things.
May I present to you this concept. Sun Tzu, Art of War: Title 1, Num 20
They are baiting us my friend. In order to survive a revolution, especially of the armed kind you MUST HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE! Right now anyone who thinks of doing anything is nothing but a single armed bandit. Why would you not have the support of the people? Things have not progressed far enough for the people to warrant war.
People are still in a daze. In truth they do not realize what is coming. They have no idea of how bad things are going to get. There is going to be MUCH more pain before anyone is ready to fire a rifle.
My advice for you is to play the good Republican on a conservative forum, wait patiently. Prepare yourself and your family for very difficult times. Prepare your mind. Do nothing that is not of value. Accept the possibility of your death whether financial, physical or otherwise. Get to know God on a very personal level.
When the American people are ready, they will let those of us who know how to truly make war know.
I will give you this consolation though, it comes from Thomas Jefferson:
Have patience.
I agree with most of what you said and mostly what I was alluding to in my original post was it is OK to throw a brick through someone's window. Big difference between that and marching on Washington. As I know DUmmies and liberals, when they find their diversity laws cannot protect them, a brick through their windows will send them scurrying into their basements and backing them off for a while.
I noticed you site some history there...funny...I see history being repeated itself here now in this nation. Where is that headed and what do we do about it?
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Ahhhhh...a "well Armed Militia" is USUALLY used for what????????
(Pssst...it ain't turkey hunting...)
Psst... The phrase was "A well REGULATED militia"....
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To my friends here and to anyone that is new. I suggest this. We try all avenues of law available to us and use the ballot box. We waste no time and effirt in meaningless gestures nor do we give the enemies of freedom the rope to hang us with. In due time we may unfortunately have to cross the final line into a rebellion but not before we rightfully and honestly use the law and our votes to make this Government work. If it should fail in the end then and only then should we even consider the consequences of action against our fellow Americans.
As was said before choose your words wisely and wait patiently. We can live with what has happened. There is time and others have taken legal action to stop this abuse of Government powers. We must let them win or lose in a court of law before we continue our course of action. With God's good grace we will see everything they have done become a distant memory and their ideas are trampled under the foot of history as their agenda and their part is left in ruins by their own actions,not ours.
God is everything. I have been reading - ask God for it and if you believe in him, you MUST believe in him, God will always deliver. If that is, it is in God's will.
God will rarely give us what we want but will ALWAYS give us what we need.
I fully believe this nation was created and made great under God.
I believe that God does help and guide me. I believe he gave me life and an extreme aptitude in engineering disciplines; mainly electrical, computing, and control systems.
This aptitude has allowed me to make a very good living wage even though I worked TWO jobs to put myself through college.
This has afforded me a nice paycheck that just allowed me to go out of my home and buy another 1/2 gallon of Chivas Regal. :evillaugh:
I am becoming all better now.
(I am still pissed though.....)
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I agree with most of what you said and mostly what I was alluding to in my original post was it is OK to throw a brick through someone's window. Big difference between that and marching on Washington. As I know DUmmies and liberals, when they find their diversity laws cannot protect them, a brick through their windows will send them scurrying into their basements and backing them off for a while.
I noticed you site some history there...funny...I see history being repeated itself here now in this nation. Where is that headed and what do we do about it?
History ALWAYS repeats itself lol. Thats one constant we can count on. Greece, Rome, Persia all expansionist that met their fate for different reasons yet out of consequence for similar actions. We are no different. Typically when it comes burning down it is replaced, less often its reset. We are praying for the "reset button" to be pushed. Yet times are very different now.
As to where its headed and what do we do about it? In my opinion, look at Greece. What they seek to control they cannot control. They believe they can control it but the machine that has been built is far too large for them. It was meant for freedom, freedom of man and markets, ideas and life. Lasso it and it will erupt like an volcano. If you ask me the battlefield will be defined after a currency collapse.
Once again if you look to history, Germany faced the same issue that we are now. They did a land grab and used the land to back a new currency. Yeah, thats right before Hitler came on the scene lol. They will need even more power, and money, real money. Gold, silver and such. People are not prepared for whats coming. The problem is that many will have no option but to follow like sheep for they do not even know how to grow a garden, much less survive without their LCD TVs and Facebook.
The complications of what is coming, is impossible to calculate. Yet therein is our advantage. They cannot calculate the outcome either.
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Sound advice.... I agree with every word.
When emotions run high people tend to jump and want to solve the issue with direct action. Perhaps the words direct action should be used instead of violence. It seems more appropriate in these times.
One thing to consider is that war has many forms and shapes. It first begins with the mind. Then the end is with the weapons. In between is politics. At this moment there is no way we should or have the need to advance to weapons. I am not saying that "direct action" is never acceptable. I am not that naive. What I am saying is that the battles must be won in the mind first. A clear objective must be given and a clear threat presented. In order to defend there must be a need to defend that justifies the action used to defend.
At this point they have given nothing but taunts. Even with legislation passed such as HC, many are clearly upset just as I was upset with Bush on the Patriot Act. You see I have personally been waiting for far much longer than many here.
The clock is ticking. We are running out of time before we are cornered like an animal. Look at Greece, and imagine how we will deal with what is coming. The question of what is the right action will be on many more minds in the near future and with a far more sobering reality than high emotions over a piece of legislation in the near future. The HC bill is a small minute power grab compared to what will come next.
Speaking of Greece - hyper inflation, and it IS coming, will strip the grocery store shelves of food. When that happens, guess who will be the ONLY place where you can get food?
The government rationed co-op.
When your knee is broke and the only source of health care is government controlled, when you are hungry and the government feeds you, when it costs $600.00/month to power your home because of cap-and-trade, when gasoline is $10.00 a gallon, you will be COMPLETELY dependent on the government for everything.
And I GUARAN-****ING-TEE you and everyone else will suck Pelosi's dick for a meal and a doctor's care.
That is exactly where 0bama and Alinski is heading us towards.
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(sigh)...Lighten up, Francis.
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Psst... The phrase was "A well REGULATED militia"....
Shit!
I'm drinking - give me a break!
You are correct - I agree that the Second Amendment was not intended to demand we march on Washington every time some politician screws things up or a group of us get all pissy over some politics.
Who would regulate the citizens militia though and under what conditions?
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History ALWAYS repeats itself lol. Thats one constant we can count on. Greece, Rome, Persia all expansionist that met their fate for different reasons yet out of consequence for similar actions. We are no different. Typically when it comes burning down it is replaced, less often its reset. We are praying for the "reset button" to be pushed. Yet times are very different now.
As to where its headed and what do we do about it? In my opinion, look at Greece. What they seek to control they cannot control. They believe they can control it but the machine that has been built is far too large for them. It was meant for freedom, freedom of man and markets, ideas and life. Lasso it and it will erupt like an volcano. If you ask me the battlefield will be defined after a currency collapse.
Once again if you look to history, Germany faced the same issue that we are now. They did a land grab and used the land to back a new currency. Yeah, thats right before Hitler came on the scene lol. They will need even more power, and money, real money. Gold, silver and such. People are not prepared for whats coming. The problem is that many will have no option but to follow like sheep for they do not even know how to grow a garden, much less survive without their LCD TVs and Facebook.
The complications of what is coming, is impossible to calculate. Yet therein is our advantage. They cannot calculate the outcome either.
You know Jav, that is some good insight. As I stated, I was ranting but I have been watching that series on the high-def History channel, WWII in High-Def and have become quite emotional over the attitude of our nation during that period in history and now.
I have zero doubt that our currency will collapse due entirely to 0bama and his minions. When this happens the American people will be in for some severe pain.
We cannot grab land, we cannot grab anymore precious metals, we can no longer just print more dollars after we lose our AAA rating.
What is left?
Better hoard food, water, fuel, and ammo.....
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I say we're a good ten years away from disaster....if the Obama machine stays in power.
Which they won't. Most states have already discussed motions to repeal this bill. And if the people are behind it....and the SCOTUS deems it unconstitional...the whole country will breathe a sigh of relief.
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History ALWAYS repeats itself lol. Thats one constant we can count on. Greece, Rome, Persia all expansionist that met their fate for different reasons yet out of consequence for similar actions. We are no different. Typically when it comes burning down it is replaced, less often its reset. We are praying for the "reset button" to be pushed. Yet times are very different now.
As to where its headed and what do we do about it? In my opinion, look at Greece. What they seek to control they cannot control. They believe they can control it but the machine that has been built is far too large for them. It was meant for freedom, freedom of man and markets, ideas and life. Lasso it and it will erupt like an volcano. If you ask me the battlefield will be defined after a currency collapse.
Once again if you look to history, Germany faced the same issue that we are now. They did a land grab and used the land to back a new currency. Yeah, thats right before Hitler came on the scene lol. They will need even more power, and money, real money. Gold, silver and such. People are not prepared for whats coming. The problem is that many will have no option but to follow like sheep for they do not even know how to grow a garden, much less survive without their LCD TVs and Facebook.
The complications of what is coming, is impossible to calculate. Yet therein is our advantage. They cannot calculate the outcome either.
You just said what I would of said. Nothing lasts forever. You don't mind if I add more. The Romans collapsed for various reasons from lead poisoning known as "Saturnism", a decadent society, a society obsessed with entertainment, like gladiatorial battles, and a military stretched too thin due to a large empire. I am seeing this in America, minus the lead poisoning, in this case obesity. People are obsessed with "reality" shows and mindless entertainment. Also, the currency is weak.
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You know Jav, that is some good insight. As I stated, I was ranting but I have been watching that series on the high-def History channel, WWII in High-Def and have become quite emotional over the attitude of our nation during that period in history and now.
I have zero doubt that our currency will collapse due entirely to 0bama and his minions. When this happens the American people will be in for some severe pain.
We cannot grab land, we cannot grab anymore precious metals, we can no longer just print more dollars after we lose our AAA rating.
What is left?
Better hoard food, water, fuel, and ammo.....
You are aware that Lord Zero has "authorized" eminent domain rights to the ChiComs as backing for the bonds he's selling them, aren't you?
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You know Jav, that is some good insight. As I stated, I was ranting but I have been watching that series on the high-def History channel, WWII in High-Def and have become quite emotional over the attitude of our nation during that period in history and now.
I have zero doubt that our currency will collapse due entirely to 0bama and his minions. When this happens the American people will be in for some severe pain.
We cannot grab land, we cannot grab anymore precious metals, we can no longer just print more dollars after we lose our AAA rating.
What is left?
Better hoard food, water, fuel, and ammo.....
Good call. There is a possibility that we could see a huge solar flare eruption on the level of the Carrington Event of 1859. It could happen as early as next year to 2013, including 2012. If it was to happen, all the power grid would be fried and power would be our for months to years. The economy would be setback quite a bit.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/06may_carringtonflare.htm
http://factoidz.com/could-another-carrington-event-destroy-our-economy/
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I say we're a good ten years away from disaster....if the Obama machine stays in power.
Which they won't. Most states have already discussed motions to repeal this bill. And if the people are behind it....and the SCOTUS deems it unconstitional...the whole country will breathe a sigh of relief.
From my perspective I believe that 10 years is very very optimistic. Here is why.
If you take a look at our Debt to GDP ratio, you can find it here http://www.usdebtclock.org/ in the top right hand corner you will see our current Debt to GDP. Its at 88.3%. Many economist are now using Greece as our current benchmark for trouble. Yet with this, many consider that the USA is already in some terms on the same level as Greece. Yet by the end of the year we should be at or close to 93 or 94% Debt to GDP. So to break this down into real terms.
As we reach that level the amount of debt to income compared to what we are spending becomes lethal. For example, China has been selling some of our debt already which some said would never happen or that it would happen years from now. In short, its harder to borrow, and to borrow we must face higher yield rates (interest rates).
Also add in the fact that if rates go up on our debt it effects all things within the nation. Add onto the fact that the US government has become a player in the market via banks and mortgages the compounding effects would kill them financially and rather quickly.
Another factor is that currently the Government is suppressing the metals, well other natural resources as well within the markets. Essentially they have shorted the markets to suppress prices as they keep low interest rates to tame inflation. These short positions must be covered and they must "double down" in order to keep riding this wave which many believe they cannot afford to do. Current positions equal one years production of various resources.
Also if any of the EU nations go down, such as Greece, or even Portugal, the ripple effect would wipe us out rather quickly. We are all tied to the hip and there is no way to stop it.
This Jan rates on commercial real estate began to reset. Currently there are about 45 percent or so of these mortgages under water. Once these defaults begin to hit it will make the housing crisis look like Sunday pick-nick. If we survive the initial impact, the EU zone will not. The backlash from the EU will kill us.
All of these various real possible scenarios could happen within 18 months.
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Shit!
I'm drinking - give me a break!
You are correct - I agree that the Second Amendment was not intended to demand we march on Washington every time some politician screws things up or a group of us get all pissy over some politics.
Who would regulate the citizens militia though and under what conditions?
The central principle of the republic that the Founders established was SELF REGULATION. That's why such a big, overpowering government was anaethma to them. There was no need for a library of laws and hundreds of thousands of bureaucrats with guns to govern Americans, because the American Republic was originally peopled with individuals who had sufficient self discipline to govern themselves.
To get back to that central principle, we as a people need to re-develop that self discipline that was the pre-requisite.
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You are aware that Lord Zero has "authorized" eminent domain rights to the ChiComs as backing for the bonds he's selling them, aren't you?
WTF??
HUH??
What COULD this entail? Grabbing my home or nut sack because or our national debt?
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And if the people are behind it....and the SCOTUS deems it unconstitional...the whole country will breathe a sigh of relief.
And what if Lord Zero resurrects an oldie (but a goodie) from Andy Jackson's administration when the Supreme Court rules against him:
"John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it!"
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The central principle of the republic that the Founders established was SELF REGULATION. That's why such a big, overpowering government was anaethma to them. There was no need for a library of laws and hundreds of thousands of bureaucrats with guns to govern Americans, because the American Republic was originally peopled with individuals who had sufficient self discipline to govern themselves.
To get back to that central principle, we as a people need to re-develop that self discipline that was the pre-requisite.
Oh I do agree.
Fat chance with a huge portion of the population in the "vote with my wallet gimme, gimme, GIMME" mode.
Guess I'll just stay drunk....
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And what if Lord Zero resurrects an oldie (but a goodie) from Andy Jackson's administration when the Supreme Court rules against him:
Well....that would be a good time to enforce it ourselves, not unlike recent events in Nicaragua.....if they can do it, we sure as hell can....
doc
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Hi Folks,
I have read this entire thread and am trying to make sense out of what appears to be several conversations. Here is my take on things for what it is worth.
1. If you follow the line of Sol Alinsky, they want martial law to be declared, they want chaos so our society as we know it can be destroyed, wealth be confiscated and a new society built around their model. Right now there are something like 80,000 troops being trained to deal with civil unrest in our country. Obama is engineering an economic collapse, indeed the poster who said the government is shorting the gold and silver markets is totally correct. If the banks collapse, then it could easily affect the food supply and bingo they have the chaos they want.
2. I also agree with the poster that is implying it is not time to take the bait and start shooting, that just makes it easier to sell the public on declaring martial law. A well known fact is people will give up freedom for security, most every communist dictator who has taken over a free society knows the process well.
3. Patience in battle should not be confused with temperance or forgiveness, it is just as much a strategy as a sniper waiting for the perfect opportunity. I personally believe the health care bill in one step toward communism in America according to the master plan of Obama and those like Ayers who educated and funded him. At the same time, the best battle is for the hearts and minds of the American people. Just keep educating, writing letters to the editor, doing what you have to keep what is happening fresh in the minds of those who you interact with regularly.
4. Expect the worst. Yeah, I mean total civil unrest, breakdown of the food supply, etc. If one has been smart enough to prepare to protect their family; particularly with food etc. those that did not do so will come a'knocking on your door demanding you share, meaning you will all die because the supply is not adequate. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst, meaning keep a low profile, but be damn sure you do all you can to survive for a good 30-60 days on your own. One might recall that it was Van Jones or one of the Obama commies that even commented that they are going to come and take your farms. Big mistake if you ask me because farmers understand a lot of things and one thing is they will form a militia to protect themselves very well, just like some of us are quietly doing in our neighborhood. We will not go on offense but I would tell you we will protect our homeland with the same ferocity as a mother protecting her young.
5. I feel we can beat these bastards at their own game. Stall, delay, do what you must to avoid the catastrophe because if we can get through the fall election cycle and then again in 2012 the ship, with the right crew, can be fixed. I can tell you this from personal experience. I travel a good bit, and speak to folks all over the world on the phone. The bulk of the working producers in society know exactly what is going on and don't like it one bit. There was an article in the Tampa paper about the congresswoman from Tampa who voted for the health care bill. They said the demographics of her district was 50% democratic, 25% republican and 25% independent so they concluded she had nothing to worry about. I would not be so damn sure, even if 50% are registered democrats, they ain't all too happy with how things are going either.
6. I see great value in laying low and even letting some shots be fired and not returning fire, but rather rhetoric. There is something to be said for creating the illusion of being defeated to your enemy. If anyone read Gingrich's book, "These are the times that try men's souls", it is a perfect example of that. The country was demoralized, congress was running from Washington, soldiers were deserting and Thomas Paine helped come to the rescue by gathering the hearts and minds of many Americans. Then on a cold, freezing winter night George Washington attacked the totally unsuspecting British and Hessian soldiers and it turned the tide of the war. Why was it successful? For many reasons. One I feel that is not always brought up is this. The goal of war is to destroy your enemy and their will to fight. The British foolishly thought they had destroyed our will and found out that was not the case.
What was it Sara Palin's father said. "She is not quitting, she is reloading."
I really do suspect the press is trying to fan the flames to give the government an excuse to clamp down on the public. Until we discover who actually did those stupid things, we should sit back and not cast judgment. Be patient, prepare for the worst, be vigilant, and we will all know when it is time to go on offense. First major offensive starts in the fall just before the elections. We plan on meeting Glenn Beck at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial in August. We are attending his class next Saturday in Orlando. I will post information which I feel appropriate after we get back.
Stay cool, prepare your tool...
regards,
5412
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Hi Folks,
I have read this entire thread and am trying to make sense out of what appears to be several conversations. Here is my take on things for what it is worth.
1. If you follow the line of Sol Alinsky, they want martial law to be declared, they want chaos so our society as we know it can be destroyed, wealth be confiscated and a new society built around their model. Right now there are something like 80,000 troops being trained to deal with civil unrest in our country. Obama is engineering an economic collapse, indeed the poster who said the government is shorting the gold and silver markets is totally correct. If the banks collapse, then it could easily affect the food supply and bingo they have the chaos they want.
2. I also agree with the poster that is implying it is not time to take the bait and start shooting, that just makes it easier to sell the public on declaring martial law. A well known fact is people will give up freedom for security, most every communist dictator who has taken over a free society knows the process well.
3. Patience in battle should not be confused with temperance or forgiveness, it is just as much a strategy as a sniper waiting for the perfect opportunity. I personally believe the health care bill in one step toward communism in America according to the master plan of Obama and those like Ayers who educated and funded him. At the same time, the best battle is for the hearts and minds of the American people. Just keep educating, writing letters to the editor, doing what you have to keep what is happening fresh in the minds of those who you interact with regularly.
4. Expect the worst. Yeah, I mean total civil unrest, breakdown of the food supply, etc. If one has been smart enough to prepare to protect their family; particularly with food etc. those that did not do so will come a'knocking on your door demanding you share, meaning you will all die because the supply is not adequate. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst, meaning keep a low profile, but be damn sure you do all you can to survive for a good 30-60 days on your own. One might recall that it was Van Jones or one of the Obama commies that even commented that they are going to come and take your farms. Big mistake if you ask me because farmers understand a lot of things and one thing is they will form a militia to protect themselves very well, just like some of us are quietly doing in our neighborhood. We will not go on offense but I would tell you we will protect our homeland with the same ferocity as a mother protecting her young.
5. I feel we can beat these bastards at their own game. Stall, delay, do what you must to avoid the catastrophe because if we can get through the fall election cycle and then again in 2012 the ship, with the right crew, can be fixed. I can tell you this from personal experience. I travel a good bit, and speak to folks all over the world on the phone. The bulk of the working producers in society know exactly what is going on and don't like it one bit. There was an article in the Tampa paper about the congresswoman from Tampa who voted for the health care bill. They said the demographics of her district was 50% democratic, 25% republican and 25% independent so they concluded she had nothing to worry about. I would not be so damn sure, even if 50% are registered democrats, they ain't all too happy with how things are going either.
6. I see great value in laying low and even letting some shots be fired and not returning fire, but rather rhetoric. There is something to be said for creating the illusion of being defeated to your enemy. If anyone read Gingrich's book, "These are the times that try men's souls", it is a perfect example of that. The country was demoralized, congress was running from Washington, soldiers were deserting and Thomas Paine helped come to the rescue by gathering the hearts and minds of many Americans. Then on a cold, freezing winter night George Washington attacked the totally unsuspecting British and Hessian soldiers and it turned the tide of the war. Why was it successful? For many reasons. One I feel that is not always brought up is this. The goal of war is to destroy your enemy and their will to fight. The British foolishly thought they had destroyed our will and found out that was not the case.
What was it Sara Palin's father said. "She is not quitting, she is reloading."
I really do suspect the press is trying to fan the flames to give the government an excuse to clamp down on the public. Until we discover who actually did those stupid things, we should sit back and not cast judgment. Be patient, prepare for the worst, be vigilant, and we will all know when it is time to go on offense. First major offensive starts in the fall just before the elections. We plan on meeting Glenn Beck at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial in August. We are attending his class next Saturday in Orlando. I will post information which I feel appropriate after we get back.
Stay cool, prepare your tool...
regards,
5412
I love all you wrote but please remember:
THIS IS NOT FRACKING APRIL 19, 1775!
The dynamics are orders of magnitude different and I can guarantee you 0bama and Sal and Rham and Pelosi and Reid and Barney Frank have calculated in all the new factors.
This ain't gonna be like a bunch of semi-organized rag-tag militia types gathering up arms and shooting back at 700 soldiers.
WE ARE NOT ORGANIZED AT ALL!!!!!
I will leave that last statement open.
Elaborate....
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I love all you wrote but please remember:
THIS IS NOT FRACKING APRIL 19, 1775!
The dynamics are orders of magnitude different and I can guarantee you 0bama and Sal and Rham and Pelosi and Reid and Barney Frank have calculated in all the new factors.
This ain't gonna be like a bunch of semi-organized rag-tag militia types gathering up arms and shooting back at 700 soldiers.
WE ARE NOT ORGANIZED AT ALL!!!!!
I will leave that last statement open.
Elaborate....
Not being organized is what we need. We CANNOT WIN if we attempt to organize. They have total advantage in the geometry of warfare. Air, Land, Sea, Armor, we cannot win against that. An organized attempt would mean total devastation for the people of the USA.
Our strength is within our disorganization. Pockets here and there. Lack of organization forces them to guess at where to place assets in all logistical forms. You will appear near them when you are actually far away. When you appear far away you will be near them. When you are unorganized they cannot levy the full force of their might against you.
You are thinking in the terms of Chess where a tactical victory is obtained. Think more in the terms of the Chinese game GO. You control pockets of territory that can shift and is mobile, scattered throughout a region.
A militia is not an army. Its a group of like minded people that love their families that own land, farms, assets and come together for a common cause. You communicate with the people within your area, help them, provide what you can for them, gain their trust and aid. You already have a militia, everyone does. Its a matter of terminology and concept.
An organized army fears disorganization more than anything. Use the strengths you have to your advantage while your strength plays to their weakness. Let things develop naturally. There is no need to become Rambo. Get to know your neighbors now, help them now, develop the relationships you need. This is all part of preparation.
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Hi,
The government in the US cannot govern without the consent of the governed. They can pass laws all they want, train soldiers all they want but I seriously doubt too many of those who will try to depress our society are likely to start shooting at us. They have decided to take National Guard units, if martial law is declared, and put them in different states other than their home states knowing full well they will not fire on their own. What they are not factoring in is many states may well call their boys home "to protect their homeland".
Ok what is my point? For any dictatorship to emerge the army has to support that dictator. I do not see that happening. I can forsee the day where BO tries to suspend elections under martial law when Tommy Franks, Norman Schwartzkof or the current guy who made the surge work that I cannot recall his name at the moment, drops in and say to the president it is all over, time to step aside. Any one of those three men will have the moral authority to lead in the eyes of most Americans as they try to restore order and set up a duly democratic election process once again.
What I am hoping happens is the congress in 2010 fools the democrats and starts with a constitutional amendment for congressional term limits. It would be immensly popular, last poll I saw it had something close to 90% support of the public.
I read an article tonight on terrorism and what they see for the future. One of the major points they made was one soldier, very inexpesively can take out a $100 million helicoptor, a tank and even a large contingent of soldiers with a single home made bomb. We are an armed, and very intellignet society who, when threatened can protect ourselves very well. Particularly when the enemy does not have the consent of the governed.
And finally, while some scoff at me, I can forsee the day that several southern and southwestern states just say the hell with it and secede. Ain't gonna be too many of the welfare class willing to step forth and put their lives on the line to save the union.
regards,
5412
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Hey, that is all fine and well man. Be part of the solution or be succumbed to the problem. It is your life and I fully believe that giving in will get YOUR nuts cut off.
There's no doubt what you believe in, PG. Anarchy.
It's a good thing that cooler heads are prevailing. You strike me as being hotheaded and out of control. That's fine, everybody needs to blow off steam once in a while.
And leave my nuts alone -- while my youngest child is in her mid-20s and I'm definitely done having young 'uns, I like having Bert and Ernie around a while longer, thanks.
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There's no doubt what you believe in, PG. Anarchy.
It's a good thing that cooler heads are prevailing. You strike me as being hotheaded and out of control. That's fine, everybody needs to blow off steam once in a while.
And leave my nuts alone -- while my youngest child is in her mid-20s and I'm definitely done having young 'uns, I like having Bert and Ernie around a while longer, thanks.
I dont believe that PG believes in Anarchy. I can tell there are a lot of Glenn Beck watchers here lol. No problem with that, but there is much that Beck does not go into, well he cant.
The problem comes from people having used their system, and it failed them. Welcome to my frustration for years now. People simply do not know what to do next.
I can see that there are a lot of people that are walking around right now saying WTF.... Like they are in a daze of disbelief. Give it time, let them educate themselves. People typically seek answers before they go crazy.
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I dont believe that PG believes in Anarchy. I can tell there are a lot of Glenn Beck watchers here lol. No problem with that, but there is much that Beck does not go into, well he cant.
The problem comes from people having used their system, and it failed them. Welcome to my frustration for years now. People simply do not know what to do next.
I can see that there are a lot of people that are walking around right now saying WTF.... Like they are in a daze of disbelief. Give it time, let them educate themselves. People typically seek answers before they go crazy.
Let him speak for himself, Jav. He got all worked up in a tizzy, so it would appear, ably assisted by John Barleycorn. Again, it's all good.
But even those who profess to be drunk when they're ranting are spouting the truth as they understand it.
You know -- in vino, veritas.
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I dont believe that PG believes in Anarchy. I can tell there are a lot of Glenn Beck watchers here lol. No problem with that, but there is much that Beck does not go into, well he cant.
The problem comes from people having used their system, and it failed them. Welcome to my frustration for years now. People simply do not know what to do next.
I can see that there are a lot of people that are walking around right now saying WTF.... Like they are in a daze of disbelief. Give it time, let them educate themselves. People typically seek answers before they go crazy.
Hi,
We live on a small street that ends in a cul-de-sac. Likely no more than 25 or so homes. I know three of us are armed to the teeth and think very much alike. I was reloading in the garage one day and a neighbor came by walking his dog. One thing led to another and bingo, I realized we had another well prepared. We also have many that are just as you describe, very confused to say the least.
The fact today a judge ordered one of the 9/11 guys released because evidence that was gathered was a result of sleep deprivation and Obama calls that torture has a lot of folks going WTF. Each and every event like that will solidify that they do not like what they see. Wont be long if things continue, that need be those of us that are well armed will have folks banging on our door asking what to do. I spoke with a true product of the hippy generation recently who has never owned a weapon in his life and likely spoke out aginst it. He asked me what kind of weapon he should buy. Not the first time this has happened to me and my guess is many of you have had a similar experience. My friends at the local gun store get several of those a week.
The longer we wait, the more people will get things figured out, and the better off we will be.
regards,
5412
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From my perspective I believe that 10 years is very very optimistic. Here is why.
If you take a look at our Debt to GDP ratio, you can find it here http://www.usdebtclock.org/ in the top right hand corner you will see our current Debt to GDP. Its at 88.3%. Many economist are now using Greece as our current benchmark for trouble. Yet with this, many consider that the USA is already in some terms on the same level as Greece. Yet by the end of the year we should be at or close to 93 or 94% Debt to GDP. So to break this down into real terms.
As we reach that level the amount of debt to income compared to what we are spending becomes lethal. For example, China has been selling some of our debt already which some said would never happen or that it would happen years from now. In short, its harder to borrow, and to borrow we must face higher yield rates (interest rates).
Also add in the fact that if rates go up on our debt it effects all things within the nation. Add onto the fact that the US government has become a player in the market via banks and mortgages the compounding effects would kill them financially and rather quickly.
Another factor is that currently the Government is suppressing the metals, well other natural resources as well within the markets. Essentially they have shorted the markets to suppress prices as they keep low interest rates to tame inflation. These short positions must be covered and they must "double down" in order to keep riding this wave which many believe they cannot afford to do. Current positions equal one years production of various resources.
Also if any of the EU nations go down, such as Greece, or even Portugal, the ripple effect would wipe us out rather quickly. We are all tied to the hip and there is no way to stop it.
This Jan rates on commercial real estate began to reset. Currently there are about 45 percent or so of these mortgages under water. Once these defaults begin to hit it will make the housing crisis look like Sunday pick-nick. If we survive the initial impact, the EU zone will not. The backlash from the EU will kill us.
All of these various real possible scenarios could happen within 18 months.
The way I understand the EU....the "PIIGS" countries - Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece and Spain.....were not on the same economic level as Germany and France when they joined the EU.
At first there was an adjustment period, while the various individual countries currency switched over. But now that time has passed, the PIIGS are in trouble, particularly with what has happened with Japan, GB and our economies.
When I was in Ireland in 2004, their economy was booming. People had fairly new cars, a lot of construction was happening, jobs were plentiful. Since then, Pfizer has pulled out a great deal of their production if not all. HP has reduced their work force, Waterford Crystal which has been around for centuries has declared bankruptcy and ceased all production except for some specialty items like the Super Bowl trophy, NCAA football and basketball (?) trophies, and a couple of major golf tournaments. Ireland has gone from the height of prosperity to the tank.
Greece is, as we all know, on the verge of collapse. Italy is in trouble.
Spain and Portugal aren't getting much press, but they too, are in trouble.
China is selling the US paper to the mid-East countries.
Eventually the well is going to be bone dry and the US government....if it continues with it's ridiculous idea of chop another tree, make paper and print money....is going to be sitting around that well wondering what happened to the water with the PIIGS.
We, as the People....have got to start paying attention and elect people who are going to be fiscally responsible and work collectively to yank this country out of the spend, spend, and spend more mentality.
To hell with which party an individual belongs to....we must find people who can be responsible and SANE....who want this country to be great again.
Sitting around talking about breaking windows, shootin' at people who don't think the way we do.....is not the answer, solution or any other similar term. Violence only begets more violence. It's much tougher to fight using intelligence than to fight with fists, sticks and stones.
I'm not advocating sitting back and allowing someone else to beat on us....just saying not to be the first to use the violence. We must start with using our collective intelligence.
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Hi,
We live on a small street that ends in a cul-de-sac. Likely no more than 25 or so homes. I know three of us are armed to the teeth and think very much alike. I was reloading in the garage one day and a neighbor came by walking his dog. One thing led to another and bingo, I realized we had another well prepared. We also have many that are just as you describe, very confused to say the least.
The fact today a judge ordered one of the 9/11 guys released because evidence that was gathered was a result of sleep deprivation and Obama calls that torture has a lot of folks going WTF. Each and every event like that will solidify that they do not like what they see. Wont be long if things continue, that need be those of us that are well armed will have folks banging on our door asking what to do. I spoke with a true product of the hippy generation recently who has never owned a weapon in his life and likely spoke out aginst it. He asked me what kind of weapon he should buy. Not the first time this has happened to me and my guess is many of you have had a similar experience. My friends at the local gun store get several of those a week.
The longer we wait, the more people will get things figured out, and the better off we will be.
regards,
5412
I share the same experience as you. I live out in the country.. well... some say in the middle of nowhere lol. I have a couple neighbors a few football fields away. I have spoke with close friends that also are coming around and seeing what I am doing.
When I first came out of service, I didnt even own a weapon. Now I am armed to the teeth. Everything from armor piercing ammo (yes its legal in my state :tongue: )to portable solar panels for recharging communication gear. Out in the country where I am at you need these things anyway or your potentially putting your families life on the line. Well the AP ammo (Yes AP is legal in my state :tongue: ) may not be needed, but anyway you know what I am saying.
Heirloom seeds are a must. Also knowledge of how to get a gas engine to run off of wood gas is imperative. Basic tools a must. Topo maps (good for hunting too), and at least 3 months canned food supply. People better be learning to can food if nothing else. Just get a pressure cooker, a basic recipe book and buy some stuff from your local farmers market to start with. Good knowledge.
It takes time to get things together, but its doable and people will be more confident for it. The Libs will think we are crazy but hey this is how our grandparents lived. For them, it was normal. I have had several people already ask if they could come to my place if the SHTF. I know them well and said sure, hey I have the extra rifles anyway and if I am lacking any my neighbor has enough for a friggin platoon.
For the uninitiated a book called "Back to the Basics" is a good start on many things.
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To hell with which party an individual belongs to....we must find people who can be responsible and SANE....who want this country to be great again.
Sitting around talking about breaking windows, shootin' at people who don't think the way we do.....is not the answer, solution or any other similar term. Violence only begets more violence. It's much tougher to fight using intelligence than to fight with fists, sticks and stones.
I'm not advocating sitting back and allowing someone else to beat on us....just saying not to be the first to use the violence. We must start with using our collective intelligence.
My sentiments precisely. Yet as your post stated (part I edited out lol) the economics is lethal. Due to the mathematics and current commitments the USA has made, I really do not believe that we have time left for anyone to fix it. Now that opinion is by no means solid, just my opinion based upon the math, trajectory and velocity. I am an investor now as a civilian and I do not put money where I dont think I need it. I am not easily persuaded to go into "crazy land" yet I am now a member as the Left would define me anyway.
Its hard to argue with mathematics, its unemotional and it doesnt really care about the politics. Yet I will say, I damn hope your right, and I am wrong.
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My sentiments precisely. Yet as your post stated (part I edited out lol) the economics is lethal. Due to the mathematics and current commitments the USA has made, I really do not believe that we have time left for anyone to fix it. Now that opinion is by no means solid, just my opinion based upon the math, trajectory and velocity. I am an investor now as a civilian and I do not put money where I dont think I need it. I am not easily persuaded to go into "crazy land" yet I am now a member as the Left would define me anyway.
Its hard to argue with mathematics, its unemotional and it doesnt really care about the politics. Yet I will say, I damn hope your right, and I am wrong.
I think we are probably a both a bit right and both a bit wrong. My other half has a BS in mechanical engineering and a BA in economics. He's very concerned. And very angry at what's happening in Washington.
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There's no doubt what you believe in, PG. Anarchy.
It's a good thing that cooler heads are prevailing. You strike me as being hotheaded and out of control. That's fine, everybody needs to blow off steam once in a while.
And leave my nuts alone -- while my youngest child is in her mid-20s and I'm definitely done having young 'uns, I like having Bert and Ernie around a while longer, thanks.
Nope my friend - me do NOT like anarchy!
Jest hate liberals and democrats.
There be a big difference my friend.
Please, stop trying to institutionalize and intellectualize this.
It ain't gonna work with me.
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There's no doubt what you believe in, PG. Anarchy.
It's a good thing that cooler heads are prevailing. You strike me as being hotheaded and out of control. That's fine, everybody needs to blow off steam once in a while.
And leave my nuts alone -- while my youngest child is in her mid-20s and I'm definitely done having young 'uns, I like having Bert and Ernie around a while longer, thanks.
BTW - being an ass here - it is apparent you dropped your nuts long ago.
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Let him speak for himself, Jav. He got all worked up in a tizzy, so it would appear, ably assisted by John Barleycorn. Again, it's all good.
But even those who profess to be drunk when they're ranting are spouting the truth as they understand it.
You know -- in vino, veritas.
Yea, before I sucked the booze, I wrote my first post because I was.....disillusioned.
Seems to me that I have a penchant for seeing reality in a different light. It is a clearer manner now for me than what you based my knowledge of history and the methods of the left.
Shame on me for KNOWING Alinsky, 0bama, Pelosi have a demonstrated HATE for our freedoms.
You musta me ****ed up et al!
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The way I understand the EU....the "PIIGS" countries - Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece and Spain.....were not on the same economic level as Germany and France when they joined the EU.
At first there was an adjustment period, while the various individual countries currency switched over. But now that time has passed, the PIIGS are in trouble, particularly with what has happened with Japan, GB and our economies.
When I was in Ireland in 2004, their economy was booming. People had fairly new cars, a lot of construction was happening, jobs were plentiful. Since then, Pfizer has pulled out a great deal of their production if not all. HP has reduced their work force, Waterford Crystal which has been around for centuries has declared bankruptcy and ceased all production except for some specialty items like the Super Bowl trophy, NCAA football and basketball (?) trophies, and a couple of major golf tournaments. Ireland has gone from the height of prosperity to the tank.
Greece is, as we all know, on the verge of collapse. Italy is in trouble.
Spain and Portugal aren't getting much press, but they too, are in trouble.
China is selling the US paper to the mid-East countries.
Eventually the well is going to be bone dry and the US government....if it continues with it's ridiculous idea of chop another tree, make paper and print money....is going to be sitting around that well wondering what happened to the water with the PIIGS.
We, as the People....have got to start paying attention and elect people who are going to be fiscally responsible and work collectively to yank this country out of the spend, spend, and spend more mentality.
To hell with which party an individual belongs to....we must find people who can be responsible and SANE....who want this country to be great again.
Sitting around talking about breaking windows, shootin' at people who don't think the way we do.....is not the answer, solution or any other similar term. Violence only begets more violence. It's much tougher to fight using intelligence than to fight with fists, sticks and stones.
I'm not advocating sitting back and allowing someone else to beat on us....just saying not to be the first to use the violence. We must start with using our collective intelligence.
Hi,
I get several reports daily about the economy, gold etc. Seems the Chinese have reduced the amount of US debt they own for the last several months. They also took a lot of our debt and bought gold and copper mines in Canada. The most damning article today said basically our government better be very careful as we are really pissing them off.
In Greece it is really getting ugly. The rest of the European common market countries have no appetite for bailing out Greece because their government has not done much to even attempt to rein in spending. They recently introduced some ideas and the unions in Greece went bananas in protest. What we will carefully watch is this. Folks who have been feeding at the government trough are going to see the handouts become smaller and smaller and they are going to react in predictible fashion. Hopefully we will learn from this because that is what is going to have to take place in this country if we are to survive as a free capitalistic society.
Not only is the government manipulating the gold and silver market, there is no evidence that the stock market should have gained back all the losses in the last year. From what I read one anynomous buyer, after the market close each day, has been buying S&P futures or something that caused the market to rise. Certainly the rise is not a result of business improving sales and profits in the least.
It is gonna get really ugly. Cash for clunkers and the housing subsidies are going to stop and then the market will truly fall to the proper level.
regards,
5412
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Hi Folks,
I have read this entire thread and am trying to make sense out of what appears to be several conversations. Here is my take on things for what it is worth.
1. If you follow the line of Sol Alinsky, they want martial law to be declared, they want chaos so our society as we know it can be destroyed, wealth be confiscated and a new society built around their model. Right now there are something like 80,000 troops being trained to deal with civil unrest in our country. Obama is engineering an economic collapse, indeed the poster who said the government is shorting the gold and silver markets is totally correct. If the banks collapse, then it could easily affect the food supply and bingo they have the chaos they want.
2. I also agree with the poster that is implying it is not time to take the bait and start shooting, that just makes it easier to sell the public on declaring martial law. A well known fact is people will give up freedom for security, most every communist dictator who has taken over a free society knows the process well.
3. Patience in battle should not be confused with temperance or forgiveness, it is just as much a strategy as a sniper waiting for the perfect opportunity. I personally believe the health care bill in one step toward communism in America according to the master plan of Obama and those like Ayers who educated and funded him. At the same time, the best battle is for the hearts and minds of the American people. Just keep educating, writing letters to the editor, doing what you have to keep what is happening fresh in the minds of those who you interact with regularly.
4. Expect the worst. Yeah, I mean total civil unrest, breakdown of the food supply, etc. If one has been smart enough to prepare to protect their family; particularly with food etc. those that did not do so will come a'knocking on your door demanding you share, meaning you will all die because the supply is not adequate. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst, meaning keep a low profile, but be damn sure you do all you can to survive for a good 30-60 days on your own. One might recall that it was Van Jones or one of the Obama commies that even commented that they are going to come and take your farms. Big mistake if you ask me because farmers understand a lot of things and one thing is they will form a militia to protect themselves very well, just like some of us are quietly doing in our neighborhood. We will not go on offense but I would tell you we will protect our homeland with the same ferocity as a mother protecting her young.
5. I feel we can beat these bastards at their own game. Stall, delay, do what you must to avoid the catastrophe because if we can get through the fall election cycle and then again in 2012 the ship, with the right crew, can be fixed. I can tell you this from personal experience. I travel a good bit, and speak to folks all over the world on the phone. The bulk of the working producers in society know exactly what is going on and don't like it one bit. There was an article in the Tampa paper about the congresswoman from Tampa who voted for the health care bill. They said the demographics of her district was 50% democratic, 25% republican and 25% independent so they concluded she had nothing to worry about. I would not be so damn sure, even if 50% are registered democrats, they ain't all too happy with how things are going either.
6. I see great value in laying low and even letting some shots be fired and not returning fire, but rather rhetoric. There is something to be said for creating the illusion of being defeated to your enemy. If anyone read Gingrich's book, "These are the times that try men's souls", it is a perfect example of that. The country was demoralized, congress was running from Washington, soldiers were deserting and Thomas Paine helped come to the rescue by gathering the hearts and minds of many Americans. Then on a cold, freezing winter night George Washington attacked the totally unsuspecting British and Hessian soldiers and it turned the tide of the war. Why was it successful? For many reasons. One I feel that is not always brought up is this. The goal of war is to destroy your enemy and their will to fight. The British foolishly thought they had destroyed our will and found out that was not the case.
What was it Sara Palin's father said. "She is not quitting, she is reloading."
I really do suspect the press is trying to fan the flames to give the government an excuse to clamp down on the public. Until we discover who actually did those stupid things, we should sit back and not cast judgment. Be patient, prepare for the worst, be vigilant, and we will all know when it is time to go on offense. First major offensive starts in the fall just before the elections. We plan on meeting Glenn Beck at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial in August. We are attending his class next Saturday in Orlando. I will post information which I feel appropriate after we get back.
Stay cool, prepare your tool...
regards,
5412
The left is their own worst enemy because they like to underestimate, which will prove to be their own downfall.
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Hi,
I get several reports daily about the economy, gold etc. Seems the Chinese have reduced the amount of US debt they own for the last several months. They also took a lot of our debt and bought gold and copper mines in Canada. The most damning article today said basically our government better be very careful as we are really pissing them off.
In Greece it is really getting ugly. The rest of the European common market countries have no appetite for bailing out Greece because their government has not done much to even attempt to rein in spending. They recently introduced some ideas and the unions in Greece went bananas in protest. What we will carefully watch is this. Folks who have been feeding at the government trough are going to see the handouts become smaller and smaller and they are going to react in predictible fashion. Hopefully we will learn from this because that is what is going to have to take place in this country if we are to survive as a free capitalistic society.
Not only is the government manipulating the gold and silver market, there is no evidence that the stock market should have gained back all the losses in the last year. From what I read one anynomous buyer, after the market close each day, has been buying S&P futures or something that caused the market to rise. Certainly the rise is not a result of business improving sales and profits in the least.
It is gonna get really ugly. Cash for clunkers and the housing subsidies are going to stop and then the market will truly fall to the proper level.
regards,
5412
I think the economy will dip again this year. Quite frankly, I don't see much of a recovery anytime soon. Greece is in a sorry state because of their elaborate socialistic welfare program. Bailing them out is not a good idea because it will happen again in the future and will be worse.
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I think the economy will dip again this year. Quite frankly, I don't see much of a recovery anytime soon. Greece is in a sorry state because of their elaborate socialistic welfare program. Bailing them out is not a good idea because it will happen again in the future and will be worse.
I can certainly attest to the fact that housing sales sucked in February. Even though I had one sale, I lost 3 listings because no one was looking at them. One was a foreclosure, it went to another agent, price was down to $35,500, from a beginning price in Oct of $44,900, it's still available. One is a flip and they took it off the market to try and rent it. In October, we started with $74,900 and it was down to $59,900 when it was withdrawn. It isn't rented yet, ( she's trying for $700/mo) and she's thinking about putting it back on the market. The other one is a fair market resale, started at $224,900 and was down to $214,900 when we took it off. They are thinking of tearing out the wall between the kitchen and dining room to see if it will help sell it. All of three of these were priced below market value. Our market is just so over saturated that days on market time is increasing and sellers who have to sell are dropping the prices as much as they can even to the point of bringing cash to the closing table.
Our neighbors up the street just listed their house the first of the week at $123 per SF. Two years ago....houses in here, were $250-300 per SF. :bawl:
We are just beginning to see the housing market hit the dumper again. Obviously not everywhere in the country will be affected. However, a lot of places will be simply because with the HCB signed, I think we are going to see job loss increase, and in many areas....there are just not the replacement jobs at the same or similar, salary available. Most households that bought houses in the last 10-15 years have bought them based on two incomes. If the larger income is the one that is removed, people are either going to walk away from their houses or lose them to foreclosure through no fault of their own. There are very few lenders who are actually working with people to help keep them in their homes. I don't know who these lenders think are going to buy all these foreclosures going on the market. At least here, there just are no where near as many buyers as there are properties.
At least for all those ARM's that were on 3 and 5 year adjustments, and this is their year, the interest rates have not significantly changed. Yet. 2005 was a booming year for house sales.
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Yea, before I sucked the booze, I wrote my first post because I was.....disillusioned.
Seems to me that I have a penchant for seeing reality in a different light. It is a clearer manner now for me than what you based my knowledge of history and the methods of the left.
Shame on me for KNOWING Alinsky, 0bama, Pelosi have a demonstrated HATE for our freedoms.
You musta me ****ed up et al!
Now now PG...you know the 100%'ers on here don't have time for logic and reason when they're in the middle of their "throw them all out they're all alike" BS.
And back to the title of the OP...first off let me apologize for now wading through 5+ pages of stuff to see if this question has been asked and/or answered...but where's the proof?
Other than the word of a bunch of Liberal Dems whom we know will lie to prove their point anyway...where it the proof that any of this alleged violence or threat there of actually happened?
Further how do we know that it wasn't some disgruntled DUmmie...Huffer or Kos Kiddie that did it because they dind't approve single payer.
Til I see something that comes close to actual proof I believe this about as much as I do Slaughter's story about the woman using her dead sisters false teeth.
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Now now PG...you know the 100%'ers on here don't have time for logic and reason when they're in the middle of their "throw them all out they're all alike" BS.
And back to the title of the OP...first off let me apologize for now wading through 5+ pages of stuff to see if this question has been asked and/or answered...but where's the proof?
Other than the word of a bunch of Liberal Dems whom we know will lie to prove their point anyway...where it the proof that any of this alleged violence or threat there of actually happened?
Further how do we know that it wasn't some disgruntled DUmmie...Huffer or Kos Kiddie that did it because they dind't approve single payer.
Til I see something that comes close to actual proof I believe this about as much as I do Slaughter's story about the woman using her dead sisters false teeth.
One of the Fox shows last night....was asking for proof that there was name calling and spitting on the Congress critters on Saturday.
They asked that anyone with a camera cell phone photo/video that showed any of the "nastiness" to please send it in.
As the host said....right now it's a he said/she said....and who knows if it's really true or just made up to cause problems....
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One is Innocent until proved guilty. Oh wait they wiped their :censored: with the constitution , and flushed it down the toilet, thus that part of justice is eliminated.
The libtards can bite ones finger half off, or physically attack Roy beck , the founder of NUMBERS USA over the weekend at the amnesty rally, with Video to prove he was attacked , yet NOT one media source has mentioned a word about it. INCLUDEING Fox.
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By the way, Michelle Malkin says all the GOP amendments were tabled by the Senate, even the one to keep the government from giving Viagra to sex offenders (tabled 58-42)
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By the way, Michelle Malkin says all the GOP amendments were tabled by the Senate, even the one to keep the government from giving Viagra to sex offenders (tabled 58-42)
Probably because it would prevent too many Dem politicos on every level...not to mention the directors of several State level ACLU chapters from getting their little blue pill fix.
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By the way, Michelle Malkin says all the GOP amendments were tabled by the Senate, even the one to keep the government from giving Viagra to sex offenders (tabled 58-42)
If this is true, it will add ammo for the conservatives come NOV. :popcorn:
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I can certainly attest to the fact that housing sales sucked in February. Even though I had one sale, I lost 3 listings because no one was looking at them. One was a foreclosure, it went to another agent, price was down to $35,500, from a beginning price in Oct of $44,900, it's still available. One is a flip and they took it off the market to try and rent it. In October, we started with $74,900 and it was down to $59,900 when it was withdrawn. It isn't rented yet, ( she's trying for $700/mo) and she's thinking about putting it back on the market. The other one is a fair market resale, started at $224,900 and was down to $214,900 when we took it off. They are thinking of tearing out the wall between the kitchen and dining room to see if it will help sell it. All of three of these were priced below market value. Our market is just so over saturated that days on market time is increasing and sellers who have to sell are dropping the prices as much as they can even to the point of bringing cash to the closing table.
Our neighbors up the street just listed their house the first of the week at $123 per SF. Two years ago....houses in here, were $250-300 per SF. :bawl:
We are just beginning to see the housing market hit the dumper again. Obviously not everywhere in the country will be affected. However, a lot of places will be simply because with the HCB signed, I think we are going to see job loss increase, and in many areas....there are just not the replacement jobs at the same or similar, salary available. Most households that bought houses in the last 10-15 years have bought them based on two incomes. If the larger income is the one that is removed, people are either going to walk away from their houses or lose them to foreclosure through no fault of their own. There are very few lenders who are actually working with people to help keep them in their homes. I don't know who these lenders think are going to buy all these foreclosures going on the market. At least here, there just are no where near as many buyers as there are properties.
At least for all those ARM's that were on 3 and 5 year adjustments, and this is their year, the interest rates have not significantly changed. Yet. 2005 was a booming year for house sales.
I know housing prices is dropping. I think they said either January or February is the worst ever recorded. I don't see how the economy is recovering, unemployment near 10% or if you take the underemployed and people who gave up, 20%.
Another thing is if there a huge solar flare event on the scale of the Carrington Event of 1859, it will really set the economy back, possibly into a depression, even if the American power grid is not affected. It will have a ripple effect regardless where the flare hits where Earth is facing the Sun.
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I think the economy will dip again this year. Quite frankly, I don't see much of a recovery anytime soon. Greece is in a sorry state because of their elaborate socialistic welfare program. Bailing them out is not a good idea because it will happen again in the future and will be worse.
Hi,
Just read this morning's Gold and Silver report from Ed Steer at Casey Research. Seems that Germany and the Euro group has decided NOT to bail out Greece, they referred them to the IMF. There contention is justifiably so that if they bail them out they will just do it again.
Now as far as the manipulation of the gold and silver markets, following is an excerpt from the report I received today. Kind of scary. If you think big brother is not manipulating the markets this will be an eye opener.
regards,
5412
Here's a piece out of GATA chairman Bill Murphy's MIDAS commentary over at lemetropolecafe.com yesterday that will be of interest.
"This morning Adrian [Douglas] and I met with Gordon Liddy of Watergate fame . very nice man. This afternoon it was an interview with BNN's Pat Bolen. "What a coincidence to be meeting with Mr. Liddy today. Late yesterday, GATA's own 'Deep Throat' surfaced. It's a bombshell of sorts, a whistleblower who is confirming what GATA has to say about market manipulation and the bullying nature of The Gold Cartel traders. Evidence of a certain nature will be presented tomorrow by Adrian or me in the Q&A period. I mentioned it in my BNN interview and suggested viewers stay tuned.
"Adrian just informed me [that] the head of precious metals trading at HSBC has bowed out from presenting, instead handing the ball off to a trader who won't have the full deck of information about what HSBC is really up to. Meanwhile, JP Morgan won't be represented at all." END
This 'Deep Throat' character was a surprise to me, as much as it is for you. I first heard about it when I read Bill's commentary yesterday. And HSBC USA is sending a second stringer to the hearings today. I knew that JPMorgan wasn't going to be there... but now the head of precious metals trading for HSBC bows out. Maybe he didn't want to sit their and have to lie his ass off. I don't know about you, dear reader, but this stinks to high heaven.
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"Adrian just informed me [that] the head of precious metals trading at HSBC has bowed out from presenting, instead handing the ball off to a trader who won't have the full deck of information about what HSBC is really up to. Meanwhile, JP Morgan won't be represented at all." END
This 'Deep Throat' character was a surprise to me, as much as it is for you. I first heard about it when I read Bill's commentary yesterday. And HSBC USA is sending a second stringer to the hearings today. I knew that JPMorgan wasn't going to be there... but now the head of precious metals trading for HSBC bows out. Maybe he didn't want to sit their and have to lie his ass off. I don't know about you, dear reader, but this stinks to high heaven.[/b][/i]
HSBC is a major mortgage lender. HSBC has had an awful lot of properties here go into foreclosure, primarily in the first time buyer price range..
I have not only had their foreclosure listings, I also do a lot of property analysis reports for them, through a third party company.
Wonder what their stock report looks like.....
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Psst... The phrase was "A well REGULATED militia"....
Meaning well "functioning", I do believe.
Lord knows that part has been debated about for a very loooooong time.
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HSBC is a major mortgage lender. HSBC has had an awful lot of properties here go into foreclosure, primarily in the first time buyer price range..
I have not only had their foreclosure listings, I also do a lot of property analysis reports for them, through a third party company.
Wonder what their stock report looks like.....
I would like to know that too! But I have that feeling that so much of these banks/funds and anyone that has managed to allow the government to get their tentacles into them is all a part of this market push north. I bet if we saw their portfolios we would see a lot of cross supporting taking place.
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I would like to know that too! But I have that feeling that so much of these banks/funds and anyone that has managed to allow the government to get their tentacles into them is all a part of this market push north. I bet if we saw their portfolios we would see a lot of cross supporting taking place.
I can tell you for sure that there is a lot of bank/tax fraud going on.... :uhsure:
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People who are doing this kind of shit are Dumbasses,
I don't like vigilantism either, but as someone once said, "when people become desperate and afraid they take desperate measures". I for one think that if "desperate measures" are taken the Democrats have brought it on themselves by their highhanded and statist policies. The American people spoke, and spoke loud and clear, and the Democrats ignored that and did what the people said they didn't want done. When you start threatening peoples families, especially when you start threatening a families ability to survive, people resort to "desperate measures".
After all, isn't that what the American Revolution was all about. People taking "desperate measures."
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I don't like vigilantism either, but as someone once said, "when people become desperate and afraid they take desperate measures". I for one think that if "desperate measures" are taken the Democrats have brought it on themselves by their highhanded and statist policies. The American people spoke, and spoke loud and clear, and the Democrats ignored that and did what the people said they didn't want done. When you start threatening peoples families, especially when you start threatening a families ability to survive, people resort to "desperate measures".
After all, isn't that what the American Revolution was all about. People taking "desperate measures."
I agree and it is a natural reaction within a Republic when the people are ignored. It is also one of the TRUE reasons why politicians and how politicians are held accountable within a Republic. BUT! Its not the right way, nor the right time.
Let the states do their thing. File suit, strengthen the bulwark and as more bs comes down we need the states to continue on this path. Sooner or later the issue will be the States verses the Federal Government. When that fails, grab your guns.
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I agree and it is a natural reaction within a Republic when the people are ignored. It is also one of the TRUE reasons why politicians and how politicians are held accountable within a Republic. BUT! Its not the right way, nor the right time.
Let the states do their thing. File suit, strengthen the bulwark and as more bs comes down we need the states to continue on this path. Sooner or later the issue will be the States verses the Federal Government. When that fails, grab your guns.
Oh believe me buddy, I'm CLINGING to my guns and my God... :-)
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There's no doubt what you believe in, PG. Anarchy.
It's a good thing that cooler heads are prevailing. You strike me as being hotheaded and out of control. That's fine, everybody needs to blow off steam once in a while.
And leave my nuts alone -- while my youngest child is in her mid-20s and I'm definitely done having young 'uns, I like having Bert and Ernie around a while longer, thanks.
Anarchy! Yes! Because we disagree!
Snort....
I am no where near a hot head but I do fully believe that being a slug and sitting around using the same tactics (passive voting, praying, wailing), that have done ZERO to help us is becoming more and more useless.
We are dealing with "no compromise" leftists here and sitting back and continuing to allow them to bloody our noses as we pray for their souls will not work.
This is exactly the same mindset as we see with he Islamic terrorists.
It is based not on laws, not on moral values, not on someone's love for their nation. Rather, it is based on an IDEOLOGY combined with the mental illness of liberalism that drives these cocksuckers.
Look at the last eight years of the Bush administration: The 24/7 negative media onslaught was horrendous. Every time any person was interviewed by the media or hollyweird, for any reason, they were always asked what they thought of President Bust. If the response was negative, it was always printed. Even Jethro Tull's leader Ian Anderson was asked about his thoughts on President Bush during a 2006 concert tour in America. Of course Ian responded he did not agree with Bush's policies and his comments made MTV/VH-1/Rolling Stone Magazine headlines. WTF does a man in leotards prancing around a stage playing a flute have to do with the war on terrorism?
The point is, even if the Republicans take the House or Senate in 2010 AND the White House in 2012, the negative media, Moveon.Org, and democrat congress attacks will only get worse!
The fag-ass CNN's Anderson Cooper will continue his "Tea-Bagger" hate-filled rhetoric against Conservative Americans. College "professors" will continue their Ward Churchill rhetoric and INCREASE it.
Do you really ****ing think that voting in a Republican majority in 2010 will change the left?
Do we march on Washington? Hardly! But at least I am realistic enough to KNOW that just putting a Republican majority in Congress in 2010 and in the White House in 2012 will change nothing.
You are a willfully ignorant moron, nothing more, nothing less...little nuts et al.
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Let him speak for himself, Jav. He got all worked up in a tizzy, so it would appear, ably assisted by John Barleycorn. Again, it's all good.
But even those who profess to be drunk when they're ranting are spouting the truth as they understand it.
You know -- in vino, veritas.
Just because I am honest does not lessen the gravity of my concern. I have the same thoughts and passions either with our without alcohol. I just may "represent" them slightly different while imbibing. Either way, it does NOT lessens or reduce the validity of my concerns and my RIGHTS to shove them in someone's face either way.
I agree there is nothing wrong with throwing back a few several then ranting here but look at my past here. I do have a history of being quite in-your-face and non-politically correct when posting here.
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I share the same experience as you. I live out in the country.. well... some say in the middle of nowhere lol. I have a couple neighbors a few football fields away. I have spoke with close friends that also are coming around and seeing what I am doing.
When I first came out of service, I didnt even own a weapon. Now I am armed to the teeth. Everything from armor piercing ammo (yes its legal in my state :tongue: )to portable solar panels for recharging communication gear. Out in the country where I am at you need these things anyway or your potentially putting your families life on the line. Well the AP ammo (Yes AP is legal in my state :tongue: ) may not be needed, but anyway you know what I am saying.
Heirloom seeds are a must. Also knowledge of how to get a gas engine to run off of wood gas is imperative. Basic tools a must. Topo maps (good for hunting too), and at least 3 months canned food supply. People better be learning to can food if nothing else. Just get a pressure cooker, a basic recipe book and buy some stuff from your local farmers market to start with. Good knowledge.
It takes time to get things together, but its doable and people will be more confident for it. The Libs will think we are crazy but hey this is how our grandparents lived. For them, it was normal. I have had several people already ask if they could come to my place if the SHTF. I know them well and said sure, hey I have the extra rifles anyway and if I am lacking any my neighbor has enough for a friggin platoon.
For the uninitiated a book called "Back to the Basics" is a good start on many things.
Coast to Coast AM Radio:
I do most of the same. Have several types of backup/redundant power sources, radios including the new triple trunking radios, food supplies, and water and NO ONE knows about any of it.
A good place to start: http://www.survivalblog.com/
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PG is right in a way....the leftist pigs will not change. The leftists are more vocal and they control more media outlets.
That's why we must support these tea party demonstrations and join them in their plight. I'm surpised it took so long for conservatives to mobilize...but I'm glad they did...eventhough coverage of these tea party protests are highly under-reported. Meanwhile every little liberal protest made front page news.....
Carry on..
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By the way, Michelle Malkin says all the GOP amendments were tabled by the Senate, even the one to keep the government from giving Viagra to sex offenders (tabled 58-42)
Don't worry - the dems are this nation's friends and have our best interests in mind.
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Anarchy! Yes! Because we disagree!
Snort....
I am no where near a hot head but I do fully believe that being a slug and sitting around using the same tactics (passive voting, praying, wailing), that have done ZERO to help us is becoming more and more useless.
We are dealing with "no compromise" leftists here and sitting back and continuing to allow them to bloody our noses as we pray for their souls will not work.
This is exactly the same mindset as we see with he Islamic terrorists.
It is based not on laws, not on moral values, not on someone's love for their nation. Rather, it is based on an IDEOLOGY combined with the mental illness of liberalism that drives these cocksuckers.
Look at the last eight years of the Bush administration: The 24/7 negative media onslaught was horrendous. Every time any person was interviewed by the media or hollyweird, for any reason, they were always asked what they thought of President Bust. If the response was negative, it was always printed. Even Jethro Tull's leader Ian Anderson was asked about his thoughts on President Bush during a 2006 concert tour in America. Of course Ian responded he did not agree with Bush's policies and his comments made MTV/VH-1/Rolling Stone Magazine headlines. WTF does a man in leotards prancing around a stage playing a flute have to do with the war on terrorism?
The point is, even if the Republicans take the House or Senate in 2010 AND the White House in 2012, the negative media, Moveon.Org, and democrat congress attacks will only get worse!
The fag-ass CNN's Anderson Cooper will continue his "Tea-Bagger" hate-filled rhetoric against Conservative Americans. College "professors" will continue their Ward Churchill rhetoric and INCREASE it.
Do you really ****ing think that voting in a Republican majority in 2010 will change the left?
Do we march on Washington? Hardly! But at least I am realistic enough to KNOW that just putting a Republican majority in Congress in 2010 and in the White House in 2012 will change nothing.
You are a willfully ignorant moron, nothing more, nothing less...little nuts et al.
:yawn: Oh, it's you again. Okay, hotheaded little man, you've resorted to name-calling. Sir Keyboard Kommando, does that make you feel powerful? Righteous? Honorable? Protecting your right to spew your garbage? :whatever:
You know nothing but your own emotions, PG. When you decide to come back down to earth with the rest of the human race, let your momma know. I'm sure she'll take interest.
I hope you've got your hiking boots ready, because when you finally do blow your gasket and you start your childish "revolution", you're going to need to hike above the treeline to avoid the boyhunt.
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:yawn: Oh, it's you again. Okay, hotheaded little man, you've resorted to name-calling. Sir Keyboard Kommando, does that make you feel powerful? Righteous? Honorable? Protecting your right to spew your garbage? :whatever:
You know nothing but your own emotions, PG. When you decide to come back down to earth with the rest of the human race, let your momma know. I'm sure she'll take interest.
I hope you've got your hiking boots ready, because when you finally do blow your gasket and you start your childish "revolution", you're going to need to hike above the treeline to avoid the boyhunt.
There are more here that agree with what PG is saying than you realize. Go ahead and call me a keyboard commando as well then but I promise you that I served out in the bush and got shot at in real life defending your and my freedom to come here and speak. I saw friends fall and helped a few of the other side lose a few friends as well.
What scares me is the mentality of the conservative movement. When a system has been infiltrated and then infected by an enemy, you cannot keep utilizing the same tactics to win. They have already overcome any and all obstacles that you can throw at them when they achieved the power they have and everyone should realize that when they have just finished kicking us in the nuts and telling us to shut up. But no, its back to the game of "elect my xyz man from xyz political party" and that party most commonly here is Republicans.
This system cannot be saved from Washington. This system can only be saved at home, where we sit. Get out of debt. Reduce dependence on government not just in our homes but our neighbors as well. If your debt load requires you to take unemployment checks... get out from under it. How in the hell can people change anything when they are already owned by the system. Until we have a place to stand firmly without dependence and demand what we want for we do not need them, we are useless.
Its more than politics, its how we think, live, teach, raise our children and see our lives. The politicians that will be elected in the near future are useless. They all still come from that same old school singing that same old line and it makes me want to vomit when I see more star struck idiots following them to their demise.
Sweep your own front porch before you rip someone else. Take the local action needed, not just in local politics but in education and working within your community.
I get sick of hypocrites.
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There are more here that agree with what PG is saying than you realize. Go ahead and call me a keyboard commando as well then but I promise you that I served out in the bush and got shot at in real life defending your and my freedom to come here and speak. I saw friends fall and helped a few of the other side lose a few friends as well.
I get sick of hypocrites.
You might want to lighten up a bit Javelin......actually, I would prefer more than a bit.....
Eupher served as well, so you might want to keep it civil.....
doc
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There are more here that agree with what PG is saying than you realize. Go ahead and call me a keyboard commando as well then but I promise you that I served out in the bush and got shot at in real life defending your and my freedom to come here and speak. I saw friends fall and helped a few of the other side lose a few friends as well.
What scares me is the mentality of the conservative movement. When a system has been infiltrated and then infected by an enemy, you cannot keep utilizing the same tactics to win. They have already overcome any and all obstacles that you can throw at them when they achieved the power they have and everyone should realize that when they have just finished kicking us in the nuts and telling us to shut up. But no, its back to the game of "elect my xyz man from xyz political party" and that party most commonly here is Republicans.
This system cannot be saved from Washington. This system can only be saved at home, where we sit. Get out of debt. Reduce dependence on government not just in our homes but our neighbors as well. If your debt load requires you to take unemployment checks... get out from under it. How in the hell can people change anything when they are already owned by the system. Until we have a place to stand firmly without dependence and demand what we want for we do not need them, we are useless.
Its more than politics, its how we think, live, teach, raise our children and see our lives. The politicians that will be elected in the near future are useless. They all still come from that same old school singing that same old line and it makes me want to vomit when I see more star struck idiots following them to their demise.
Sweep your own front porch before you rip someone else. Take the local action needed, not just in local politics but in education and working within your community.
I get sick of hypocrites.
Change starts with us, not in DC and with politicians.
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Problem is, PG and Javelin, you're LETTING those ri-tards push your buttons, and you're looking very foolish as a result.
All things in due time. But not now.
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Problem is, PG and Javelin, you're LETTING those ri-tards push your buttons, and you're looking very foolish as a result.
All things in due time. But not now.
Yeah thats true. Besides I am used to being the only one that gets into trouble and being called out no matter how many others sling mud. Someone has to be the red headed step child lol.
Oh well, cheers :cheersmate:
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:yawn: Oh, it's you again. Okay, hotheaded little man, you've resorted to name-calling
I'll leave the remainder of your response out of this reply.
Your obvious hypocrisy and just plain asinine stupidity renders EVERY further post from you nothing more than bullshit.
P.S. Now you run right out there in November and vote your little weenie off. Vote for the "best" candidate.
Sad little thing about ignorant types like you is when the end comes, you will not have even the slightest bit of IQ horsepower to understand or ask what the **** happened.
It will be beyond your grasp.
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There are more here that agree with what PG is saying than you realize. Go ahead and call me a keyboard commando as well then but I promise you that I served out in the bush and got shot at in real life defending your and my freedom to come here and speak. I saw friends fall and helped a few of the other side lose a few friends as well.
What scares me is the mentality of the conservative movement. When a system has been infiltrated and then infected by an enemy, you cannot keep utilizing the same tactics to win. They have already overcome any and all obstacles that you can throw at them when they achieved the power they have and everyone should realize that when they have just finished kicking us in the nuts and telling us to shut up. But no, its back to the game of "elect my xyz man from xyz political party" and that party most commonly here is Republicans.
This system cannot be saved from Washington. This system can only be saved at home, where we sit. Get out of debt. Reduce dependence on government not just in our homes but our neighbors as well. If your debt load requires you to take unemployment checks... get out from under it. How in the hell can people change anything when they are already owned by the system. Until we have a place to stand firmly without dependence and demand what we want for we do not need them, we are useless.
Its more than politics, its how we think, live, teach, raise our children and see our lives. The politicians that will be elected in the near future are useless. They all still come from that same old school singing that same old line and it makes me want to vomit when I see more star struck idiots following them to their demise.
Sweep your own front porch before you rip someone else. Take the local action needed, not just in local politics but in education and working within your community.
I get sick of hypocrites.
I actually agree with all of this. My original postings found me fairly spun up over the day's events then when Eupher dropped in, I started to yank his chain.
I find it quite enjoyable luring the ignorant out to do nothing more than show themselves to be an idiot.
Guess I will go back to trimming my toenails now...
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You might want to lighten up a bit Javelin......actually, I would prefer more than a bit.....
Eupher served as well, so you might want to keep it civil.....
doc
Along those lines for ALL that did and do serve, regardless of the underlying debate, except for John Murtha and John Kerry, I agree.
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There are more here that agree with what PG is saying than you realize. Go ahead and call me a keyboard commando as well then but I promise you that I served out in the bush and got shot at in real life defending your and my freedom to come here and speak. I saw friends fall and helped a few of the other side lose a few friends as well.
What scares me is the mentality of the conservative movement. When a system has been infiltrated and then infected by an enemy, you cannot keep utilizing the same tactics to win. They have already overcome any and all obstacles that you can throw at them when they achieved the power they have and everyone should realize that when they have just finished kicking us in the nuts and telling us to shut up. But no, its back to the game of "elect my xyz man from xyz political party" and that party most commonly here is Republicans.
This system cannot be saved from Washington. This system can only be saved at home, where we sit. Get out of debt. Reduce dependence on government not just in our homes but our neighbors as well. If your debt load requires you to take unemployment checks... get out from under it. How in the hell can people change anything when they are already owned by the system. Until we have a place to stand firmly without dependence and demand what we want for we do not need them, we are useless.
Its more than politics, its how we think, live, teach, raise our children and see our lives. The politicians that will be elected in the near future are useless. They all still come from that same old school singing that same old line and it makes me want to vomit when I see more star struck idiots following them to their demise.
Sweep your own front porch before you rip someone else. Take the local action needed, not just in local politics but in education and working within your community.
I get sick of hypocrites.
Amen.
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Go ahead and call me a keyboard commando as well then but I promise you that I served out in the bush and got shot at in real life defending your and my freedom to come here and speak. I saw friends fall and helped a few of the other side lose a few friends as well.
So have a lot of us here. Some of us still are. You're not in some exclusive club that allows you to remain free from criticism just because you...like others here...have had some trigger time or a bullet or two fired in anger in your direction..
Was there some point you were trying to make here? Or just being your normal jackass self?
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So have a lot of us here. Some of us still are. You're not in some exclusive club that allows you to remain free from criticism just because you...like others here...have had some trigger time or a bullet or two fired in anger in your direction..
Was there some point you were trying to make here? Or just being your normal jackass self?
Oh no, you made my point for me, thank you kindly.
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Oh no, you made my point for me, thank you kindly.
:whatever:
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:whatever:
Hi guys,
Tomorrow I am going to finish a post about the Glenn Beck show we saw today which was terrific, a great learning experience.
One point he emphasized was MLK and Ghandi should be our role models. The hippies of the 60's tried violence, ala Bill Ayers and it did not work and turned the public opinion against them. He made it very clear that is why Pelosi and others are trying to continually agitate our side hoping we will turn to violence. His point is, do not do it because if you do, you lose all positive public opinion. We will defeat them peacefully. I honestly think they will plant and create violence and try to make it look like the tea party folks did it just to try to sway public opinion......yeah we all know they are very capable of doing that kind of crap.
Now if they come marching down my street with weapons in hand.....that would be a HUGE mistake....or any other street in my neighborhood for that matter. At the same time I think he was right MLK and Ghandi set the standard, their agitation can cause us to continue the fight in a peaceful manner and strengthen our resolve at the ballot box.
For the moment I totally agree with him, now is the time to continue to stay cool and win with truth and ideas.
That is my 2 cents worth.
regards,
5412
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Now if they come marching down my street with weapons in hand.....that would be a HUGE mistake
Actually, in Dallas, the New Black Panthers have marched down the street with guns in hand to show their "support" of the second amendment rights for blacks.
They are not trying to incite violence from the right, they are trying to incite & justify violence from the left against the right.
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Actually, in Dallas, the New Black Panthers have marched down the street with guns in hand to show their "support" of the second amendment rights for blacks.
They are not trying to incite violence from the right, they are trying to incite & justify violence from the left against the right.
Hi,
Hopefully they were marching down main street, not a neighborhood. Many neighborhoods, particularly in Texas would have many homeowners with their semi-automatic 50 caliber guns standing in their front yard showing their support for the second amendment also.
regards,
5412
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Sweep your own front porch before you rip someone else. Take the local action needed, not just in local politics but in education and working within your community.
I get sick of hypocrites.
When you have a clue about what I do, when I do it, and how I do it, we can talk.
Suggestion: Do NOT get mixed up in a discussion between me and somebody else. My comments are not directed toward you, so as they say -- butt out.
With all respect, of course. :whatever:
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I'll leave the remainder of your response out of this reply.
Your obvious hypocrisy and just plain asinine stupidity renders EVERY further post from you nothing more than bullshit.
P.S. Now you run right out there in November and vote your little weenie off. Vote for the "best" candidate.
Sad little thing about ignorant types like you is when the end comes, you will not have even the slightest bit of IQ horsepower to understand or ask what the **** happened.
It will be beyond your grasp.
Drunk again, or just doing a little more ranting?
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I actually agree with all of this. My original postings found me fairly spun up over the day's events then when Eupher dropped in, I started to yank his chain.
I find it quite enjoyable luring the ignorant out to do nothing more than show themselves to be an idiot.
Guess I will go back to trimming my toenails now...
:lmao:
Before or after you put your feet in your mouth?
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When you have a clue about what I do, when I do it, and how I do it, we can talk.
Suggestion: Do NOT get mixed up in a discussion between me and somebody else. My comments are not directed toward you, so as they say -- butt out.
With all respect, of course. :whatever:
As far as I am concerned I thought our conversation was over. I can get involved in whatever conversation I wish, this is an open forum.
Perhaps you get a thrill from pushing peoples buttons. All I have seen from you is pushing other people around trying to pick a fight. Even now with our conversation having ended you decide to dredge up something in order to stir up a pot of keyboard conflict. I passed making my point some time ago, now I am entering boredom and wondering how much more argument you wish to incite.
I can agree to disagree, but you obviously do not know when to leave well enough alone and even go as far as to telling other people what conversations they can take part in or not take part in. How interesting.
Have a nice day!
:popcorn:
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Drunk again, or just doing a little more ranting?
Snort.
Of course, this is all you can say - it is as far as the chain on your little weenie will allow you to stray.
Say, did you pick your super duper candidates for the 2010 elections yet?
Remember in 2000 when you voted for Bush KNOWING that the leftist bullshit would be squashed after Bush entered office?
Lookie at how timid the left became after Bush was elected?
Sorry, I realize your little mind cannot comprehend what I am saying to you.
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When you have a clue about what I do, when I do it, and how I do it, we can talk.
Suggestion: Do NOT get mixed up in a discussion between me and somebody else. My comments are not directed toward you, so as they say -- butt out.
With all respect, of course. :whatever:
You do not wear your penis envy well....
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:lmao:
Before or after you put your feet in your mouth?
Outta gas little boy?
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As far as I am concerned I thought our conversation was over. I can get involved in whatever conversation I wish, this is an open forum.
Perhaps you get a thrill from pushing peoples buttons. All I have seen from you is pushing other people around trying to pick a fight. Even now with our conversation having ended you decide to dredge up something in order to stir up a pot of keyboard conflict. I passed making my point some time ago, now I am entering boredom and wondering how much more argument you wish to incite.
I can agree to disagree, but you obviously do not know when to leave well enough alone and even go as far as to telling other people what conversations they can take part in or not take part in. How interesting.
Have a nice day!
:popcorn:
Of course I am stooping to his level but you do realize you just exceeded his intellectual horsepower by about 75%?