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Kadie (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-11-10 06:05 PM
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Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap
Lesbian teen back at Miss. school after prom flap
By SHELIA BYRD, Associated Press Writer Shelia Byrd, Associated Press Writer – 19 mins ago
JACKSON, Miss. – An 18-year-old Mississippi lesbian student whose school district canceled her senior prom rather than allow her to escort her girlfriend and wear a tuxedo said she got some unfriendly looks from classmates when she reluctantly returned to campus Thursday.
Constance McMillen said she didn't want to go back the day after the Itawamba County school board's decision, but her father told her she needed to face her classmates, teachers and school officials.
"My daddy told me that I needed to show them that I'm still proud of who I am," McMillen told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "The fact that this will help people later on, that's what's helping me to go on."
The district announced Wednesday it wouldn't host the April 2 prom. The decision came after the American Civil Liberties Union told officials a policy banning same-sex prom dates violated students' rights. The ACLU said the district not letting McMillen wear a tuxedo violated her free expression rights.
McMillen said she felt some hostility toward her on the Itawamba County Agricultural High School campus.
"Somebody said, 'Thanks for ruining my senior year.'" McMillen said.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100311/ap_on_re_us/us_lesb...
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-11-10 06:06 PM
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1. '"Somebody said, 'Thanks for ruining my senior year.'" McMillen said.'
Me, me, me, me. Me.
I agree. Why did the stoopid lesbian make an issue of her sexuality? Her and her friend could have went to the prom as singles, and spent their time together. No, she had to make it about her being a lesbian. A fat one at that, I saw a picture of her.
Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-11-10 06:49 PM
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15. Teens tend to be a little selfish.
LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-11-10 06:09 PM
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2. Funny, I thought the students would have been pissed at the school for going this far.
I would not think that her fellow classmates would have a problem with her bringing her same sex prom date.
Maybe because it violated school policy?
druidity33 (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-11-10 06:31 PM
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8. heh, heh... good one.
you've never been to Mississippi have you?
It's still okay to be bigoted against a geographical group.
jody (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-11-10 06:48 PM
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14. I've worked in MS, TX, CA, OH, IL, D.C., GA, AL, WY, CO. IMO unfortunately some in those
states would have blamed her.
Someday we will let people live their own lives, won't we?
Sure. When are the gays going to stop trying and force acceptance on us?
kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-11-10 06:22 PM
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7. IMHO the school did this knowing full well that teens will be teens and any ire
over the cancelled prom will fall on her and NOT THE SCHOOL. She needs a bodyguard. They are trying to get her killed.
Drama Queen.
An update to the story is that the ACLU is suing the school to force them to have the prom. http://m.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100311/NEWS/100311012/-1/WAP&template=wapart
“A prom is a public forum and the gay couple is making a statement about their sexual orientation and thus it is protected under the First Amendment,†she said.
Um, excuse me. The courts have consistently ruled in favor of schools regarding the limits of rights of children.
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damn. I gotta go with the Dumpmonkiez on this one.
The school should have allowed it. yeah I know- but it doesn't hurt anyone...
flame away. :bird:
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damn. I gotta go with the Dumpmonkiez on this one.
The school should have allowed it. yeah I know- but it doesn't hurt anyone...
flame away. :bird:
I agree with you. If the girl had worn a prom dress, it would not have been an issue. She wanted to wear a tux. Big deal.
I happen to have a tux that I have worn to several black tie events. The other half thought I looked pretty sexy in a tux jacket, pants, and high spikey black heels..... :naughty:
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damn. I gotta go with the Dumpmonkiez on this one.
The school should have allowed it. yeah I know- but it doesn't hurt anyone...
flame away. :bird:
Your way of thinking escapes me. When is it OK to force perversion on the masses? Why isn't it OK to not have the event instead of being forced to bow to that perversion?
I applaud the school's decision. It deprives the pervert it's show of victory while taking a clear stand against the activist court ruling.
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The school shouldn't have to have the prom if they don't want to hold it, regardless of the reason. And if you don't like THAT, then suck on THIS: :bird:
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Your way of thinking escapes me. When is it OK to force perversion on the masses? Why isn't it OK to not have the event instead of being forced to bow to that perversion?
I applaud the school's decision. It deprives the pervert it's show of victory while taking a clear stand against the activist court ruling.
Prom's aren't like they were when we were kids, where you didn't go unless you had a date.
Now days kids go in groups. Some have dates, some don't. Straight kids go in same sex pairs, and they all pile in a limo together and they are all dressed up respective of their sexes.
The school is punishing all the kids to rather than deal with one.
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So, if a nudist wants to attend Allah Natural, that'll be OK too?
Hey, he just wants to hang out with his friends and express himself....you know. show off his life style.
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Prom's aren't like they were when we were kids, where you didn't go unless you had a date.
Now days kids go in groups. Some have dates, some don't. Straight kids go in same sex pairs, and they all pile in a limo together and they are all dressed up respective of their sexes.
The school is punishing all the kids to rather than deal with one.
Thank you. I didn't realize the lesbian was talking about a group "date". I thought she was trying to make a statement. I misconstrued.
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The school should not be forced to accept a statement of sexual perversion at their prom. Hopefully it will remain cancelled, and some parents will organize a formal affair, by invitation only, for the normal kids.
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This is the kind of thing that could end the proms altogether. Its gotten to the point that holding the event is just another day at school because the school can't affprd a lawsuit if any of the kids manage to get drunk at a place rented by the school and then drive home only to get in a wreck. Then the so called events are not always something get all happy over either. We used to have a dinner and a dance at a hotel near the indoor pool and a live band. Then after that we would all go for the night to the bowling alley to roll a few games till the prom breakfast at 6 am. Some of the kids still wentout after the breakfast to play football on the field till they couldn't stay awake any longer.
I know times have changed but it seems like a waste of time to bother having a prom when every year someone hits the news by trying this kind of stunt. Like most here if the girl had just kept her mouth shut and went in with a dress most of the kids there would have never knew or cared. This was about getting attention nothing more.
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damn. I gotta go with the Dumpmonkiez on this one.
The school should have allowed it. yeah I know- but it doesn't hurt anyone...
The school has every right to make rules. Public schools shouldn't be holding dances anyway as far as I am concerned. Let a parents committee do it.
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The school has every right to make rules. Public schools shouldn't be holding dances anyway as far as I am concerned. Let a parents committee do it.
My Oklahoma high school was that way. They didn't sponsor dances of any sort. It was an outside thing, put together by the juniors' parents.
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Thu Mar-11-10 06:49 PM
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15. Teens tend to be a little selfish.
You mean like the teen who caused the cancellation of the once in a lifetime event because she wanted to flaunt her deviant behavior in public?
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My high school had four "lesbian" girls that I knew of, and several that considered themselves bi-sexual. Of the "lesbians", three are currently in relationships with guys. I know too many girls who would make outrageous claims like this for attention to have too much sympathy for this sort of story.
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Your way of thinking escapes me. When is it OK to force perversion on the masses? Why isn't it OK to not have the event instead of being forced to bow to that perversion?
I applaud the school's decision. It deprives the pervert it's show of victory while taking a clear stand against the activist court ruling.
My thoughts exactly!
Since when is one student supposed to have more privileges than the rest of the student body?
This bitch is nothing more than an attention whore. If she really had any feeling for her classmates whatsoever, she would have relented and gave her classmates a memory they could cherish for a lifetime.
But noooooooo, it's all about her, her carpet munching and her need to be in the forefront of controversy! Everyone needs to bow to my way of thinking! This is still America last time I looked, although it's hanging precariously on the edge of a very deep precipice. I'm thoroughly disgusted with what we are letting queers minorities, and fascists get away with.
The ACLU is nothing but a communist, anti American organization. It pains me to know it has many Jewish members. They of all people should know where this type of shirt can lead! Maybe they have an alternative mission. The people they defend will more than likely be the first to go if there is any kind of revolt against our American way of life.
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I think she wanted to make a political statement, pure and simple. She did not have to tell them she wanted to take her lesbian friend and go as a couple. Many single people go in groups, and it isn't even uncommon for girls to dance with girls.
It's time to get the schools out of sponsoring dances and let the student organizations handle it.
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The school has every right to make rules. Public schools shouldn't be holding dances anyway as far as I am concerned. Let a parents committee do it.
I agree with your statement too. Prom, I think, isn't a public dance, but a school one-so they could set the rules and I would expect a parent committee was involved. AT least they are always here.
I'm just saying I think the school made a molehill out of a anthill.
look at the two issues:
Girl wants to bring girl as date. Eh...let's say a white girl wanted to bring a black guy as a date. would it be ok for the shcool to say no? touchy subject.
Girl wans to wear tux. Is there a law that says the girls must wear dresses? Hell, kids wear crap made out of duct tape. SO- I am gonna say this part isn't an issue.
Besides, I like lesbian porn. :hi5:
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I agree with your statement too. Prom, I think, isn't a public dance, but a school one-so they could set the rules and I would expect a parent committee was involved. AT least they are always here.
I'm just saying I think the school made a molehill out of a anthill.
look at the two issues:
Girl wants to bring girl as date. Eh...let's say a white girl wanted to bring a black guy as a date. would it be ok for the shcool to say no? touchy subject.
Girl wans to wear tux. Is there a law that says the girls must wear dresses? Hell, kids wear crap made out of duct tape. SO- I am gonna say this part isn't an issue.
Besides, I like lesbian porn. :hi5:
I have a question.
Why the hell even bring attention to it? If she had no axe to grind, why not just show up at the prom and bring anyone ya want? Unless they made a complete spectacle of themselves. I doubt they would even had been noticed. They sure as hell wouldn't have shut down the prom!
This was all intentional, in order for her to make statement!
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I have a question.
Why the hell even bring attention to it? If she had no axe to grind, why not just show up at the prom and bring anyone ya want? Unless they made a complete spectacle of themselves. I doubt they would even had been noticed. They sure as hell wouldn't have shut down the prom!
This was all intentional, in order for her to make statement!
My opinion also. She had an agenda all along and wants to push as far as she can. Pretty clear she's extremely open about her deviant lifestyle so all her classmates and teachers are aware of it. She and her dyke friend could have shown up and nobody would have blinked. She wanted to test the school district and wants acceptance...just like all the queers pushing this national agenda.
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She wanted to test the school district and wants acceptance...just like all the national queers pushing this agenda.
I just can't help but feel that her parents were behind this....why ask about wearing a tux months beforehand if you're not planning something.....looks to me like they were looking for a fight....that got one.....and got beat.
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The ACLU is now suing the school and wants a judge to order them to hold a prom (??) and let them come.
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I just can't help but feel that her parents were behind this....why ask about wearing a tux months beforehand if you're not planning something.....looks to me like they were looking for a fight....that got one.....and got beat.
No doubt she had someone encouraging her. Wonder who suggested she contact the aclu?
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I have a question.
Why the hell even bring attention to it? If she had no axe to grind, why not just show up at the prom and bring anyone ya want? Unless they made a complete spectacle of themselves. I doubt they would even had been noticed. They sure as hell wouldn't have shut down the prom!
This was all intentional, in order for her to make statement!
I'm agree with you...this is the part I don't understand.
They could easily have gone in a group and it would probably not even have been noticed.
I wonder how the school even found out about it....or if it was a parent who found out first and asked the school what they were going to do about it.
It's a fine line for a school to tread regarding homosexuality. It is rapidly becoming a protected class just like race, and handicapped. We had this discussion in a CE class I was in last week regarding housing. I recognize that housing is different, but it most often regards federally guidelined loans (FHA and VA loans) in certain price ranges. Public schools receive federal funds and are subjected to many of the same guidlelines regarding discrimination.
I think there was probably a better way to handle this entire situation than shutting down the prom.
To many kids...their Senior Prom is the part of the reward for finishing school and except for graduation is the last big event for them to be with their fellow students. It's also a very expensive event for the kids. These days, prom dresses are quite expensive, and so are tux rentals. The kids rent limos and go out to dinner at nice restaurants. The girls hit the salons for hair, makeup, mani/pedi, tans. Many stores will not allow prom dressed to be returned.
Lots of money spreads out into the community during prom season. And here in the South...we are getting right into it in the next week or so. If you haven't seen/experienced the extravagance during prom season in the last 10 years or so, you don't realize what an incredibly expensive event it has become....and all very carefully orchestrated by the schools to keep the proms of nearby schools on separate nights so kids may attend several. (my son went to 3 his senior year....$$$$$$$)
This girl didn't just get her way....she's also created a sad situation for her fellow students and a hit to the local economy. She'll be lucky if no one beats her up.
Have to wonder what the "rest of the story" is...the part that is not being reported. Is the kid trying to make a statement, get back at her fellow students for some reason, or is someone else manipulating her for their own agenda?
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I wonder how the school even found out about it....or if it was a parent who found out first and asked the school what they were going to do about it.
The school sent out a notice that that only hetero couples were allowed. She went and asked someone in the administration if that meant she couldn't bring her lesbian friend.
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As this becomes more and more an issue, expect non-school sanctioned private proms to start popping up.
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As this becomes more and more an issue, expect non-school sanctioned private proms to start popping up.
Which should have replaced school proms a long time ago. They can't teach kids to read, why do we trust them to do other stuff?
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Which should have replaced school proms a long time ago. They can't teach kids to read, why do we trust them to do other stuff?
No kidin'!!! I don't understand why the Senior and Junior classes don't take care of 'em themselves. Without a doubt they would certainly be more efficient!
It has to be like everything else associated with school administration and events. They spend and waste 4 times what the private sector does on everything from lunch to prom!
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My high school had four "lesbian" girls that I knew of, and several that considered themselves bi-sexual. Of the "lesbians", three are currently in relationships with guys. I know too many girls who would make outrageous claims like this for attention to have too much sympathy for this sort of story.
I think you hit the nail on the head. It's "cool" to be "gay". Besides she's what, 18, and dosen't know her ass from a hole in the ground.
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You mean like the teen who caused the cancellation of the once in a lifetime event because she wanted to flaunt her deviant behavior in public?
Part of the problem, I think, is giving things like the prom this kind of status. I didn't go to the prom (I thought is was a waste of time) and surprisingly enough I'm just fine and to this day don't feel the least bit deprived. My homeschooled son and his homeschooled friends didn't go to the prom and none feel deprived (his public school friends assure him the Marine Corps Ball is MUCH better and he didn't miss out on a thing). High school graduation is a once in a lifetime event. College graduation is a once in a lifetime event. Hell, I'll even grant that the high school grad party is a once in a lifetime event (it at least celebrates an accomplishment). A prom is just another school dance with fancier decorations and more expensive clothes.
Cindie
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Part of the problem, I think, is giving things like the prom this kind of status. I didn't go to the prom (I thought is was a waste of time) and surprisingly enough I'm just fine and to this day don't feel the least bit deprived. My homeschooled son and his homeschooled friends didn't go to the prom and none feel deprived (his public school friends assure him the Marine Corps Ball is MUCH better and he didn't miss out on a thing). High school graduation is a once in a lifetime event. College graduation is a once in a lifetime event. Hell, I'll even grant that the high school grad party is a once in a lifetime event (it at least celebrates an accomplishment). A prom is just another school dance with fancier decorations and more expensive clothes.
Cindie
Didn't go to mine either. In my day only the stuffed shirts and the celebrity jocks cared about such matters. Hell, the rest of us went to the "Daniel Boonies" and had a fishin'/kegger camp out!
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Didn't go to mine either. In my day only the stuffed shirts and the celebrity jocks cared about such matters. Hell, the rest of us went to the "Daniel Boonies" and had a fishin'/kegger camp out!
I went out "partying" during the prom, but went to the after-prom party that was held at the YMCA.
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Part of the problem, I think, is giving things like the prom this kind of status. I didn't go to the prom (I thought is was a waste of time) and surprisingly enough I'm just fine and to this day don't feel the least bit deprived. My homeschooled son and his homeschooled friends didn't go to the prom and none feel deprived (his public school friends assure him the Marine Corps Ball is MUCH better and he didn't miss out on a thing). High school graduation is a once in a lifetime event. College graduation is a once in a lifetime event. Hell, I'll even grant that the high school grad party is a once in a lifetime event (it at least celebrates an accomplishment). A prom is just another school dance with fancier decorations and more expensive clothes.
Cindie
I went, but didn't really care. Hated (and still do) getting dressed up. T-shirt and shorts for me. Also, the few times I went to formals, I got in fights with my dates. I must be an a$$. :-)
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I went, but didn't really care. Hated (and still do) getting dressed up. T-shirt and shorts for me. Also, the few times I went to formals, I got in fights with my dates. I must be an a$$. :-)
The reason you got into fights with your dates....is not because of your personality. :hammer:
It's because the reality of the event does not live up to the expectations of the event.
I went to my senior prom and to my boyfriend's (he went to a different school) .... got in a fight both nights. And so did the couple we doubled to both with.
We broke up the week after graduation. He decided that I could go off to college for a year, then come home and we'd get married and I could be a housewife and have babies. I was going off to college and hoping to never have to come home again.
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The thing is, if she really wanted to show her little corner of the world how regular and normal she is, she wouldn't have made a big deal out of her bedtime buddy preference. She would've just bought two tickets and just shown up with her BFB (best **** buddy). Nobody thinks anything of girls dancing together. I dance with my girlfriends. We used to go out in groups and all go out onto the dance floor together and dance. We got to meet a lot of local bands that way. It's the blatant in your face stuff that most people don't like. If they'd just calm down and quit trying to make a statement no one would probably notice or care.
Cindie
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A prom is a public forum and the gay couple is making a statement about their sexual orientation and thus it is protected under the First Amendment
The ACLU's challenge to the prom cancellation has a snowball's chance of succeeding. No court is going to order the school to reinstate the prom based on someone's First Amendment right to declare their sexual orientation. It's a non sequitur.
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The thing is, if she really wanted to show her little corner of the world how regular and normal she is, she wouldn't have made a big deal out of her bedtime buddy preference. She would've just bought two tickets and just shown up with her BFB (best **** buddy). Nobody thinks anything of girls dancing together. I dance with my girlfriends. We used to go out in groups and all go out onto the dance floor together and dance. We got to meet a lot of local bands that way. It's the blatant in your face stuff that most people don't like. If they'd just calm down and quit trying to make a statement no one would probably notice or care.
Cindie
Oh, delilah, my delilah.
Heart of my soul, soul of my heart.
Joy of my life, life of my joy.
Oh, delilah, my delilah.
Madam, lend me your ear.
Check your personal messages here.
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Cindie,
Thank you. Exactly right. I asked my kids about this and they both said basically what you just did. Their thinking was no one really cares, and nowadays there's supposed to be a limited touch policy, so they couldn;t be making out with a guy or a girl. I just think the kids in her class will always remember her as "the b*tch who screwed up prom."
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Cindie,
Thank you. Exactly right. I asked my kids about this and they both said basically what you just did. Their thinking was no one really cares, and nowadays there's supposed to be a limited touch policy, so they couldn;t be making out with a guy or a girl. I just think the kids in her class will always remember her as "the b*tch who screwed up prom."
A poll of teens a few years ago said that Prom=sex
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Times do change, been 40 years since mine and back then there were NO restrictions on anything except the senior gals wore White gowns.
I can understand a policy on no drinking or drugs, no anti social behavior or necking under the tables, that is reasonable.
What next, no obviously Pregos, no boys that have knocked up one girl and want to bring another.?
The class SLUT that demands to bring 3 male escorts.?
How about 4 male gay boy that want to attend as a group.?
Will they ban males from dancing together and allow woman to to do so.?
I heard the sad story about the school in the south that tried to ban mix race couples. One girl asked " What about Me--she was from a mixed race family. The Principal ended his carear by telling her she was a "mistake."
This is a rite of passage for the kids and young adults. When a student turns 18 they are now legal adults and headed out into the cold world full of every life style known to man. These adults are being treated as children-minors-under control of others.
Why the school bothers with the sexual practices of their students is beyond me. What happend to the new age education of being Proud of WHO or WHAT you are.?
What would happen if the Lesbian girls decided to wear Tux to class every day.?
Can the schools tell a gay lad he cannot wear hiking boots, jeans and a woman's shirt with ruffles under a Levi Jacket to school.?
My Dad had a ruffle shirt he wore under his Tux, and the woman of Eastern Star wear a Tux when they are elevated in their Lodge.
Seems like these kids just want to have a memorable event, is it illegal in their State to cross dress.? What ever that means, woman dress in men's clothing no one thinks to make a policy of skirts and dresses only for the girls.
BTW, as a grade school, we girls were not allowed to wear jeans or pants to school. When the temperature dropped to freezing we wore the pants under our skirts to keep our legs warm while waiting for the school bus. We had to remove the pants when we got to school. We put them back on for outside recess and to go home.
This was a small town Public School.
I wonder what the school does when some guys show up wearing a Tux with their faces painted to resemble the rock group KISS?
Darn, at my age today it was fun in the past to be feminine and wear gowns and trier's that I knew I would never wear again. Today knowing what I know today, I would get a form fitting Tux, spike heels and :tongue: at society.
There are too many teachers in to days world interested in the sex lives of their students.
Note the arrest records of the pedophiles in the school system.
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Have you ever heard of Kevin Jennings "Queering elementary education" and Planned Parenthood's advice that kids should learn to enjoy sex at 10?
Public schools are supposed to educate kids and they are not doing that anymore.
Dances should be organized by parents groups not the school, they can't even do the most basic of jobs these days.
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The class SLUT that demands to bring 3 male escorts.?
How about 4 male gay boy that want to attend as a group.?
I heard the sad story about the school in the south that tried to ban mix race couples. One girl asked " What about Me--she was from a mixed race family. The Principal ended his carear by telling her she was a "mistake."
The bottom line, Vesta, is that in many cases the school can prohibit such activity that they deem as "disruptive" to the student body at large.......
Schools, through court decisions prohibiting prayer, and other expressions of faith and patriotism have set themselves up as areas where portions of the Constitutional protections don't apply......it is the "unintended consequences" of rampant, malignant liberalism......and it comes back to bite them in the ass on occasion....this being one of them. Courts have upheld "dress codes", and other rules of school conduct many times that "liberals" would posit trample on students "rights", and so long as the school policy is known in advance (and in writing) that such conduct is against the rules, little can be done, short of petitioning the School Board to change the rules.....
Schools in Georgia made headlines a few years ago by having an "All White" Prom, which was a private affair, not held on school property, and paid for privately......the media screamed about it, and the ACLU sued (and lost), so it exists, and unless the government can somehow get away with eliminating our right to "free association", it will continue to happen......liberals don't like it, but tough.....life isn't "fair".....
Fifty years ago, when I was in high school, or prom was sponsored (and paid for) out of private funds (a "Booster Club") specifically in order that certain rules and standards could be upheld......and they were........
Would I have cancelled the entire prom over this.....probably yes, if the homosexual couple were prohibited under school rules from the behavior and dress that they proposed under normal circumstances.....
One must also understand that this is Mississippi, and not San Francisco.....people there still adhere to a set of moral standards and behavioral guidelines.....if homosexual couples want to make a "statement" about their depraved lifestyles, there are places that they can go to do that.......in Mississippi (as well as here in the midwest), there will be consequences for such behavior, whether one likes it on not.....
doc
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I'm confused, Madcow wants to go to the prom??
:stirpot:
:uhsure:
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The bottom line, Vesta, is that in many cases the school can prohibit such activity that they deem as "disruptive" to the student body at large.......
Schools, through court decisions prohibiting prayer, and other expressions of faith and patriotism have set themselves up as areas where portions of the Constitutional protections don't apply......it is the "unintended consequences" of rampant, malignant liberalism......and it comes back to bite them in the ass on occasion....this being one of them. Courts have upheld "dress codes", and other rules of school conduct many times that "liberals" would posit trample on students "rights", and so long as the school policy is known in advance (and in writing) that such conduct is against the rules, little can be done, short of petitioning the School Board to change the rules.....
Schools in Georgia made headlines a few years ago by having an "All White" Prom, which was a private affair, not held on school property, and paid for privately......the media screamed about it, and the ACLU sued (and lost), so it exists, and unless the government can somehow get away with eliminating our right to "free association", it will continue to happen......liberals don't like it, but tough.....life isn't "fair".....
Fifty years ago, when I was in high school, or prom was sponsored (and paid for) out of private funds (a "Booster Club") specifically in order that certain rules and standards could be upheld......and they were........
Would I have cancelled the entire prom over this.....probably yes, if the homosexual couple were prohibited under school rules from the behavior and dress that they proposed under normal circumstances.....
One must also understand that this is Mississippi, and not San Francisco.....people there still adhere to a set of moral standards and behavioral guidelines.....if homosexual couples want to make a "statement" about their depraved lifestyles, there are places that they can go to do that.......in Mississippi (as well as here in the midwest), there will be consequences for such behavior, whether one likes it on not.....
doc
This becomes a bag of worms for everyone no matter where one lives.
My State demands that all kids have the right and duty to an education. Brings up problems now and then, some hit the papers and some we know about by word of mouth.
Example---Parents of a severe autistic child are on a 3 year waiting list for a special school. Meanwhile, the child has to go to a public school and can at times be disruptive. The fact that this child will never learn to read or write much less speak ---she has little awareness of herself, does not matter. She must be physically present in a school.
Then there are the boys and girls that are gang members that your children must sit next to every day, the druggies that are tempting your kids every day, the teachers that are headed for prison themselves do to their own antisocial behavior toward students.
By the time our kids have been in school for 12 years, they have not only learned their 3 R's but are street smart, they know so much more about life then we did, there has been a loss in innocence combined with loss of embarrassment or shame as we had.
Kids talk, are more open with each other and everyone knows when a girl gets an abortion, who is sleeping with who, who is on drugs, and on and on.
With the world these kids are going into they are receiving contradictory messages from everyone around them. Some schools have GAY DAYS sponsored by, I have no doubt, the adult pedophiles.
Sex education seldom focuses on abstinence just how to prevent disease ,pregnancy, and how to get a free abortion.
Education today is a mess ,big time mess. This controversial text book change is outrageous.
How can we teach the founding of our nation and leave out some of the most important people who are instrumental in the changes is a Mystery to me.
This is why I feel that there are more, far more important things for people to worry about then a student who is an adult wants to bring someone of the same sex and wear a tux to a freaking school dance.
At my youngest child's Prom, some student came waltzing in wearing a ball gown, he was the highlight of the dance, everyone wanted to dance with him including the Chaperon's. His girlfriend had some problem and could not attend the prom with him so he took the high road. His official date was his older brother.
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This is why I feel that there are more, far more important things for people to worry about then a student who is an adult wants to bring someone of the same sex and wear a tux to a freaking school dance.
It's a matter of principle......and moral values......since (I suspect) you are from somewhere in liberal New England, neither of those concepts would likely matter to you.......
Here in the midwest, and in the south.......these things do matter......and we don't really care what you "Yankees" think about it........
We will thank you to keep your opinions and politics to yourselves.....
It's interesting to note that last time I checked, the vast majority of the members of our Armed Services come from the south and midwest.......we raise our children to respect others, and value the morals and principles that made our country the world power that it is today.......without our "values" you would likely be speaking a different language by now, so, again, we'll thank you to refrain from your righteous criticism when we find that a couple of fags, in an intentional display of their "lifestyle" is determined to be offensive to a community, and action is taken........
Nobody really cares that these two girls are homosexuals.......and if they had kept their mouths shut about it, and came to the prom in "gender appropriate" clothing, no one would have given a damn, but they insisted on making a spectacle of themselves, and earned the indignation of the school and the community.
I would bet that if one of the girls decided to come to the prom dressed as a male panther, she would have received the same treatment.......see how that works........keep your sexual proclivities in the bedroom, and you will get along fine with everyone.....
doc
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People just keep forgetting that poor vestanumbers was born without a brain.
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This prom thing is not a simple black and white issue.
You have to know that area. Unless you understand, see, and feel what that area is like, outside voices mean nothing.
What the school did was right. I see from reading today Miss Troublemaker is getting her prom with the help of radical activists. Fine.
I'll tell you this, the other kids will get their prom too. And it will be one to remember.
Don't confuse this place with places you know. Up there, life is different, like a walk through time forgotten. I also think she did this for selfish reasons and her father was backing her to do it.
This whole thing isn't about her being a lesbian. It's about HER wanting HER way.
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I see from reading today Miss Troublemaker is getting her prom with the help of radical activists. Fine.
This whole thing isn't about her being a lesbian. It's about HER wanting HER way.
Isn't that always the case. Once the radical leftists get what they want, they move on to the next target and the next target.
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Yes.
After all is said and done, she'll have to move. No way she'll be able to live there.
A selfish child that thought the rules didn't apply to her.
She thought wrong.
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First of all no kid is an adult till they hit 18. And as far as the school is concerned they have every right to regulate school activities. even the Prom . I have no sympathy for this kid and her girlfreind in this matter because they wanted to be catered to at the expense of the other kids and they got just that. Now none of the kids have a prom,
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First of all no kid is an adult till they hit 18. And as far as the school is concerned they have every right to regulate school activities. even the Prom . I have no sympathy for this kid and her girlfreind in this matter because they wanted to be catered to at the expense of the other kids and they got just that. Now none of the kids have a prom,
I was thinking that I had read somewhere, that this dyke is 18, but that doesn't make her an adult.
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I was thinking that I had read somewhere, that this dyke is 18, but that doesn't make her an adult.
Most of the other kids are not 18. I think that was his point.
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People just keep forgetting that poor vestanumbers was born without a brain.
Kind of like CC's own Jessica Simpson...not quite sure what the interior secretary does but pretty sure they must be there to decorate something inside the building.
Cindie
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The ACLU's challenge to the prom cancellation has a snowball's chance of succeeding. No court is going to order the school to reinstate the prom based on someone's First Amendment right to declare their sexual orientation. It's a non sequitur.
I hope that you're right. If by some snowball's chance in hell it does succeed, I hope the other students don't go, perhaps hold a dance at a private facility, and the two carpertmunching perverts "make their statement" to an empty room. Every time the queers pull these stunts, people cave on the grounds that "this one isn't worth the effort". It's got to be worth the effort somewhere, because that attitude is how we went from hearing "what two people do in the privacy of their own bedroom is their business, we just want to be tolerated" to today's "you must accept me and my perversion in every aspect of life", in just a few short years-people kept thinking that each "stand" they made wasn't the one over which to draw the line in the sand. Now it's Christians and other opponents of perversion who are on the defense.
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Times do change, been 40 years since mine and back then there were NO restrictions on anything except the senior gals wore White gowns.
I can understand a policy on no drinking or drugs, no anti social behavior or necking under the tables, that is reasonable.
What next, no obviously Pregos, no boys that have knocked up one girl and want to bring another.?
The class SLUT that demands to bring 3 male escorts.?
How about 4 male gay boy that want to attend as a group.?
Will they ban males from dancing together and allow woman to to do so.?
I heard the sad story about the school in the south that tried to ban mix race couples. One girl asked " What about Me--she was from a mixed race family. The Principal ended his carear by telling her she was a "mistake."
This is a rite of passage for the kids and young adults. When a student turns 18 they are now legal adults and headed out into the cold world full of every life style known to man. These adults are being treated as children-minors-under control of others.
Why the school bothers with the sexual practices of their students is beyond me. What happend to the new age education of being Proud of WHO or WHAT you are.?
What would happen if the Lesbian girls decided to wear Tux to class every day.?
Can the schools tell a gay lad he cannot wear hiking boots, jeans and a woman's shirt with ruffles under a Levi Jacket to school.?
My Dad had a ruffle shirt he wore under his Tux, and the woman of Eastern Star wear a Tux when they are elevated in their Lodge.
Seems like these kids just want to have a memorable event, is it illegal in their State to cross dress.? What ever that means, woman dress in men's clothing no one thinks to make a policy of skirts and dresses only for the girls.
BTW, as a grade school, we girls were not allowed to wear jeans or pants to school. When the temperature dropped to freezing we wore the pants under our skirts to keep our legs warm while waiting for the school bus. We had to remove the pants when we got to school. We put them back on for outside recess and to go home.
This was a small town Public School.
I wonder what the school does when some guys show up wearing a Tux with their faces painted to resemble the rock group KISS?
Darn, at my age today it was fun in the past to be feminine and wear gowns and trier's that I knew I would never wear again. Today knowing what I know today, I would get a form fitting Tux, spike heels and :tongue: at society.
There are too many teachers in to days world interested in the sex lives of their students.
Note the arrest records of the pedophiles in the school system.
It appears that no one cared about her "sex life" until she decided to make a public issue of it. She hadn't been kicked out of school on the grounds of being a pervert, apparently she wanted more attention called to her "sex life", as she's the one who made the issue of it.
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It's a matter of principle......and moral values......since (I suspect) you are from somewhere in liberal New England, neither of those concepts would likely matter to you.......
Here in the midwest, and in the south.......these things do matter......and we don't really care what you "Yankees" think about it........
We will thank you to keep your opinions and politics to yourselves.....
It's interesting to note that last time I checked, the vast majority of the members of our Armed Services come from the south and midwest.......we raise our children to respect others, and value the morals and principles that made our country the world power that it is today.......without our "values" you would likely be speaking a different language by now, so, again, we'll thank you to refrain from your righteous criticism when we find that a couple of fags, in an intentional display of their "lifestyle" is determined to be offensive to a community, and action is taken........
Nobody really cares that these two girls are homosexuals.......and if they had kept their mouths shut about it, and came to the prom in "gender appropriate" clothing, no one would have given a damn, but they insisted on making a spectacle of themselves, and earned the indignation of the school and the community.
I would bet that if one of the girls decided to come to the prom dressed as a male panther, she would have received the same treatment.......see how that works........keep your sexual proclivities in the bedroom, and you will get along fine with everyone.....
doc
New England turned liberal about 40 years ago much to my surprise. Very Conservative it was until the State Colleges, and State Teaching Colleges, began to turn out liberal graduates.
Looking back I see it was the educated and people from MONEY that were the first to turn liberal, the farmers, small shop keepers, manual workers, our fisherman, were the last hold outs for Conservatives.
As an area of many Catholics of 1-2 st. generation born Americans, with large family's and who lived by their Church, they could not be but Conservative. Grandma cried as the Congrational Church threw out a Pastor for as they saw it his liberal ways.
Then as a teenager I watched as the Catholic Church up ended all that. 2,000 years of tradition went down the tubes, all the century's of faith took a dramatic bottoms up.
I watched all this from an insiders view point, in my graduating class there were just 2 of us that was not Catholic. All my friends were Catholic, my friend and I spent more time with our friends at CYO then our own demonations services.
I saw the shattered look on the faces of my friends parents when they attended their very first New Mass, the Latin, French, or Polish services were gone. There was no more feeling of Mystery, the Priest faced the congregation, It was very Episcopal in nature.
It took almost a generation for Catholics to get use to these new ideas, become less Conservative and accept intermarriage between faiths other then Catholic, divorce, and 10 Hail Marys for an abortion, incest, no such thing as Excommunication any more.
Then the Faith of my Fathers underwent a huge change also, the Charismatics came to town, before that time few gave any thought to being SAVED. You were Baptised, that was that.
A very exciting time to be alive never knowing what was going to happen next.
Surprise, the libs in the midwest began to call our men fighting in Asia Baby killers, the boys that went home could not get jobs, my own Husband and I traveled with him wearing civilian clothering so as not to become a target for the foolishness that effected the country at that time.
In my neck of New England a returning serviceman was placed at the top of Civil Service jobs.
Our Ship Yard would find our Vets a job just to get them in the door. Then train them in something, welding, to the sail loft.
At no time have we in this comunity ever put the military down, our children, their fathers into grandfathers and their fathers have served with pride.
Today it is the wealthy and law makers that are Liberals, lazy teachers and some of the clergy.
We had a base sticker on the bumper of our car that we covered when traveling outside military areas. The Libs hated us, and they scared the heck out of us.
We the humble and meek. those of us who make a living by the sweat of our brow are the Conservatives, we march on wondering what the heck is the matter with the Libs. How did we come to this point, what ever happend to tar and feathering undesirables out of town.
Rant ended for now.
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New England turned liberal about 40 years ago much to my surprise. Very Conservative it was until the State Colleges, and State Teaching Colleges, began to turn out liberal graduates.
Looking back I see it was the educated and people from MONEY that were the first to turn liberal, the farmers, small shop keepers, manual workers, our fisherman, were the last hold outs for Conservatives.
As an area of many Catholics of 1-2 st. generation born Americans, with large family's and who lived by their Church, they could not be but Conservative. Grandma cried as the Congrational Church threw out a Pastor for as they saw it his liberal ways.
Then as a teenager I watched as the Catholic Church up ended all that. 2,000 years of tradition went down the tubes, all the century's of faith took a dramatic bottoms up.
I watched all this from an insiders view point, in my graduating class there were just 2 of us that was not Catholic. All my friends were Catholic, my friend and I spent more time with our friends at CYO then our own demonations services.
I saw the shattered look on the faces of my friends parents when they attended their very first New Mass, the Latin, French, or Polish services were gone. There was no more feeling of Mystery, the Priest faced the congregation, It was very Episcopal in nature.
It took almost a generation for Catholics to get use to these new ideas, become less Conservative and accept intermarriage between faiths other then Catholic, divorce, and 10 Hail Marys for an abortion, incest, no such thing as Excommunication any more.
Then the Faith of my Fathers underwent a huge change also, the Charismatics came to town, before that time few gave any thought to being SAVED. You were Baptised, that was that.
A very exciting time to be alive never knowing what was going to happen next.
Surprise, the libs in the midwest began to call our men fighting in Asia Baby killers, the boys that went home could not get jobs, my own Husband and I traveled with him wearing civilian clothering so as not to become a target for the foolishness that effected the country at that time.
In my neck of New England a returning serviceman was placed at the top of Civil Service jobs.
Our Ship Yard would find our Vets a job just to get them in the door. Then train them in something, welding, to the sail loft.
At no time have we in this comunity ever put the military down, our children, their fathers into grandfathers and their fathers have served with pride.
Today it is the wealthy and law makers that are Liberals, lazy teachers and some of the clergy.
We had a base sticker on the bumper of our car that we covered when traveling outside military areas. The Libs hated us, and they scared the heck out of us.
We the humble and meek. those of us who make a living by the sweat of our brow are the Conservatives, we march on wondering what the heck is the matter with the Libs. How did we come to this point, what ever happend to tar and feathering undesirables out of town.
Rant ended for now.
In regards to the thread topic--nobody wanted to tar and feather an "undesireable", it was no secret before now that she considers herself to be queer. She made it an issue and in doing so disregarded the privilege of her classmates to enjoy their senior prom as usual. Instead of just going with her "girlfriend", and enjoying themselves like the other students, she decided to make a "federal case" of her private sex life. I don't imagine that the other students were going to be having sex on the dance floor, so she wouldn't have been denied any privilege that the other students weren't enjoying.
As for New England until recently having been conservative, I beg to differ. I believe that "regular folks" were probably for the most part "conservative" in their daily lives, but many streams of liberalism have flowed from New England--for just one evidence of this, read biographies of Louisa May Alcott and her father Bronson Alcott and the "transcendentalists". Just that one stream of New England-style liberalism began way back in the early 19th century.
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This becomes a bag of worms for everyone no matter where one lives.
My State demands that all kids have the right and duty to an education. Brings up problems now and then, some hit the papers and some we know about by word of mouth.
Example---Parents of a severe autistic child are on a 3 year waiting list for a special school. Meanwhile, the child has to go to a public school and can at times be disruptive. The fact that this child will never learn to read or write much less speak ---she has little awareness of herself, does not matter. She must be physically present in a school.
Then there are the boys and girls that are gang members that your children must sit next to every day, the druggies that are tempting your kids every day, the teachers that are headed for prison themselves do to their own antisocial behavior toward students.
By the time our kids have been in school for 12 years, they have not only learned their 3 R's but are street smart, they know so much more about life then we did, there has been a loss in innocence combined with loss of embarrassment or shame as we had.
Kids talk, are more open with each other and everyone knows when a girl gets an abortion, who is sleeping with who, who is on drugs, and on and on.
With the world these kids are going into they are receiving contradictory messages from everyone around them. Some schools have GAY DAYS sponsored by, I have no doubt, the adult pedophiles.
Sex education seldom focuses on abstinence just how to prevent disease ,pregnancy, and how to get a free abortion.
Education today is a mess ,big time mess. This controversial text book change is outrageous.
How can we teach the founding of our nation and leave out some of the most important people who are instrumental in the changes is a Mystery to me.
This is why I feel that there are more, far more important things for people to worry about then a student who is an adult wants to bring someone of the same sex and wear a tux to a freaking school dance.
At my youngest child's Prom, some student came waltzing in wearing a ball gown, he was the highlight of the dance, everyone wanted to dance with him including the Chaperon's. His girlfriend had some problem and could not attend the prom with him so he took the high road. His official date was his older brother.
Geez, Vesta, where the hell do you live, San Francisco? Your state mandates duties and rights? As for the Autistic child, I know many parents that homeschool even severely autistic children, thus said child would NOT have to be physically present at school.
Generally, "children" don't have to sit next to gang members until middle school or high school and I'd bet the vast majority of gang bangers drop out. Never the less, sitting next to someone in a gang while in 5th period Social Studies isn't going to turn one into a Blood or Crip over night. Drugs have been around (and sold in school) since I was in school. That hasn't changed. If the teachers in your area are being led off to jail daily for some kind of "antiscocial" (whatever that means) behavior doesn't that also mean the opportunity to have a new "prosocial" teacher take his/her place?
If kids are more street smart then I'd guess they'd probably be a little wiser as well. Street smart is not a bad thing. It's also been called common sense. And I'd bet not everyone knows who has and hasn't had an abortion. That's just nuts.
If you have gay days sponsored by adult pedophiles (not the same as being gay, btw) someone needs to call the police. Schools around here still don't have gay days though there are some high schools in the city that have GLSN clubs.
I don't think it's a big deal if a girl shows up to the prom in a tux either but this girl was more interested in making a statement than attending a school function. And while this girl may be an adult, she still has to adhere to the rules every other student does. First you go on and on about gay days and then you turn around and say it doesn't matter if this girl has her own "gay day" at the prom.
We are a nation of states and not all states are as progressive as the one you come from. Many still require a code of conduct - even at the prom.
Cindie
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Thanks Cindie. I was wondering where she came from too because where I am none of that goes on.
Contrary to the DUmp and what they deem redneck bigot white trash racist ignorant Southern people, they have no idea how we live because they only know what they read in a book.
I had someone from up north ask me once if I went to school in a boat and did I live on a stilt house in a swamp. Now that's ignorant. They learned that in school.
We are tolerant here to a point. When that point decides they want their way and to hell with everyone else, you damn right it stops.
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As this becomes more and more an issue, expect non-school sanctioned private proms to start popping up.
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Sorry if I bump this. That's fine with me.
Part of the problem, I think, is giving things like the prom this kind of status. I didn't go to the prom (I thought is was a waste of time) and surprisingly enough I'm just fine and to this day don't feel the least bit deprived. My homeschooled son and his homeschooled friends didn't go to the prom and none feel deprived (his public school friends assure him the Marine Corps Ball is MUCH better and he didn't miss out on a thing). High school graduation is a once in a lifetime event. College graduation is a once in a lifetime event. Hell, I'll even grant that the high school grad party is a once in a lifetime event (it at least celebrates an accomplishment). A prom is just another school dance with fancier decorations and more expensive clothes.
Cindie
I went to my prom. Preferred after prom though.