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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on February 06, 2010, 01:58:56 PM
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 12:34 AM
Original message
Defining Progressives
Progressives believe:
In a "We" :rotf:every thing you demand starts with me me me society; we're all in this together.
People are capable of self government and working together for the purpose of improving the quality of life.as long as you take it from someone that has more then me
Moving forward together is a good thing.
Conservatives believe:
People are basically evil that has been proven often
Government is a strong force that will only do harm.Another thing history has proven
Moving forward is bad, change is bad.
The concepts of civility and "PC" fit in here, too. Progressives recognize the value of inclusion and mutual effort. Conservatives believe the universe revolves around them.
The irony of this written at the DUmp where every semi juicy sh!t taken has to have a thread started asking WHY??? is just too funny
Stupid and pretty much to be expected nonsense but there were two posts by bridgit that are probably close to the most mind numbingly stupid and nonsensical things I have ever read.
bridgit (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 01:10 AM
Response to Original message
7. I'm not of the opinion that "we" is a central component of Progressivism, and I hate 'isms'...
as a practical matter - I do believe it admirably Progressive enough to hold the freedoms & enhancements of others & all to be central, and the forward motion of them so as to constitute what is Progressive and hence: progess - and if *that* is found lacking by the standard of someone else then so be that otherwise one may as well consider every bit as likely "Progressive" to be determined at the curb of our sidewalks where it is hoped our recyclables are separated in accordance thereto Progressive ideals
omega minimo (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. How does your view differ from "We're all in this together"?
In other words..."What the f...?"
She explains...
bridgit (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. A baseline difference for me is that the notion is to be extrapolated outward as from the...
core of a stoic-dense esoteric matter effecting, hopefully, others less-near the uber-principled centrality *of* that core - or as though from the core of a jaw-breaker out/beyond its event horizon; consider it a form of proselytizing: but a Progressivism able to reach beyond itself - and while a wonderful presumption especially when it fulfills itself; it is presumed that we *are* Progressive, we here, and so requiring, at least to my mind, no re-definition that we are
My head hurts.
omega minimo (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 03:28 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. exactly
In other words... Man you are one crazy sob!
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What the Hades?
The primitives are the most reactionary people one can hope to meet; look, for example, how they bitch and moan and whine and gripe every time my fellow alum Skins makes a minor change.
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Someone needs to slap bridget for that. :mental:
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Progressives believe:
In a "We" society; we're all in this together.
People are capable of self government and working together for the purpose of improving the quality of life.
Moving forward together is a good thing.
In some ways yes society is a "we society" but, we all are individuals with responsibilities to look after ourselves and the freedom to enjoy the fruits of our labor.
If liberals believe in self govt then why do they petition Washington DC to control everything? This statement from a liberal is ludicrous
Moving forward is fine as long as the movement is in the right direction, constitutional, and will not take away freedoms.
Conservatives believe:
People are basically evil
Government is a strong force that will only do harm.
Moving forward is bad, change is bad.
Well I will say people are born with evil tendencies good behavior has to be learned. I'm not even a fundie and I know this.
Government will only do harm when it is a strong force so you almost got that right, you just left part of it out.
Just like I said above change can be good we simply do not believe in change for change's sake like you libs seem too.
The concepts of civility and "PC" fit in here, too. Progressives recognize the value of inclusion and mutual effort. Conservatives believe the universe revolves around them.
Once again you have it backwards. Liberals are the ones who constantly say "me, me ,me" Obama is a prime example of this. Conservatives do recognize individuality but, we do realize not everything is about or for us. The left constantly gripes that us conservatives who aren't rich are going against our own self interests when we do not support raping the rich. When in reality we know if the rich lose their freedoms then we can just as easily lose ours. Besides we believe in the principle of freedom and that includes economic freedom not just the freedom to boink whoever we want which seems to be the only freedom that libs support.
omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Feb-06-10 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. Echoing the forgotten concept that Updated at 12:34 AM
we ARE the government.
That's a cute slogan and yes the founders intended it to be that way but you would not like it if we had true majority rule.
Even if the govt is us, the constitution put a ton of restrictions on that which we can do.
mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Feb-06-10 12:57 AM
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3. exactly..
Edited on Sat Feb-06-10 12:58 AM by mdmc
If we really wanted to fix health care we should go to single payer system and have it run and staffed by pro single payer zealots.
Think of a national plan where everything is being done to provide the most efficient, highest quality medical treatment. Treatment provided for free and a net gain for our society as health and community improve. A better economy. Healthier schools. A better community, all in all.
Iiberals want to improve their community. Conservatives prefer the status quo.
But, who will pay for your free health care? See folks the liberals are saying "me me me" they want free health care.
Once again DUmmies that Constitution is screwing up your wet dream.
mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Feb-06-10 01:07 AM
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5. which is not in our best interest (:eyes:) --- so then
Liberals look for peaceful resolutions to conflict.
Conservatives are vested in the military industrial complex..
A strong national defense is right there in the Constitution. You don't like it? take it up with our founding fathers.
Peaceful resolutions are not always an option. Every conservative I know wishes that we could find peaceful resolutions to deal with terrorism we do not take it lightly when our brave service members have to do put themselves in danger.
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I'd have thought "Idiotic moonbats" would have been both sufficiently descriptive and elegantly concise.
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Man, that bridgit shore is smart.
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Someone needs to slap bridget for that. :mental:
That primitive is bridget?
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That primitive is bridget?
well bridgit
bridgit (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 01:10 AM
Response to Original message
7. I'm not of the opinion that "we" is a central component of Progressivism, and I hate 'isms'...
as a practical matter - I do believe it admirably Progressive enough to hold the freedoms & enhancements of others & all to be central, and the forward motion of them so as to constitute what is Progressive and hence: progess - and if *that* is found lacking by the standard of someone else then so be that otherwise one may as well consider every bit as likely "Progressive" to be determined at the curb of our sidewalks where it is hoped our recyclables are separated in accordance thereto Progressive ideals
We need a translator for that
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. A baseline difference for me is that the notion is to be extrapolated outward as from the...
core of a stoic-dense esoteric matter effecting, hopefully, others less-near the uber-principled centrality *of* that core - or as though from the core of a jaw-breaker out/beyond its event horizon; consider it a form of proselytizing: but a Progressivism able to reach beyond itself - and while a wonderful presumption especially when it fulfills itself; it is presumed that we *are* Progressive, we here, and so requiring, at least to my mind, no re-definition that we are
omega minimo (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 03:28 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. exactly
HAhahahaha..."exactly"...right omega, like you understood that foolishness.
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Progressive: Pro (Professional) Gress (To go above or over) Ive (I've, I, me... all about me me me)
example: Professionally climbing over giant piles of crap to get MINE.
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Too late. Marx did it already.
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Their president is a perfect representation of who they are, all blaming and bitching, arrogance and stupidity between a series of I's and me's.
Cindie
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 03:08 AM
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9. A baseline difference for me is that the notion is to be extrapolated outward as from the...
core of a stoic-dense esoteric matter effecting, hopefully, others less-near the uber-principled centrality *of* that core - or as though from the core of a jaw-breaker out/beyond its event horizon; consider it a form of proselytizing: but a Progressivism able to reach beyond itself - and while a wonderful presumption especially when it fulfills itself; it is presumed that we *are* Progressive, we here, and so requiring, at least to my mind, no re-definition that we are
TNO...is that you??? :o :o :o
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All I got outta that was...someone thinks they are the educated elite...and my thoughts or more correctly 'thought' on her expression of grandious verbosity is, Huh?
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Progressive: Pro (Professional) Gress (To go above or over) Ive (I've, I, me... all about me me me)
example: Professionally climbing over giant piles of crap to get MINE.
:clap: :clap:
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well bridgit
We need a translator for that
Ohh I didnt catch that I thought that was in reference to the op.
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:clap: :clap:
thank you, thank you... I'm here all day usually .. :bow:
Its My birthday you know.
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E pluribus unum! That' all I have to say. DUmbass Idiots!
ETA: ( Happy Birthday FuGLe! )
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E pluribus unum! That' all I have to say. DUmbass Idiots!
ETA: ( Happy Birthday FuGLe! )
heh... call me Floyd
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. A baseline difference for me is that the notion is to be extrapolated outward as from the...
core of a stoic-dense esoteric matter effecting, hopefully, others less-near the uber-principled centrality *of* that core - or as though from the core of a jaw-breaker out/beyond its event horizon; consider it a form of proselytizing: but a Progressivism able to reach beyond itself - and while a wonderful presumption especially when it fulfills itself; it is presumed that we *are* Progressive, we here, and so requiring, at least to my mind, no re-definition that we are
Stoic-dense? What the **** is that? Stoicism is NOT being ruled by one's emotions and accepting one's destiny. Dense is thick or stupid. So does that mean they're destined to be stupid? They can keep that esoteric bullshit to themselves. I'm guessing this is one of those uber-quasi-intellectuals DU has running all over the island. I don't know the last time bridiot here had a jawbreaker but the inside of a jawbreaker is...more jawbreaker. Then again, they could just be living in a right wing existential nightmare where people are expected to take care of themselves...
Cindie
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. A baseline difference for me is that the notion is to be extrapolated outward as from the core of a stoic-dense esoteric matter effecting, hopefully, others less-near the uber-principled centrality *of* that core - or as though from the core of a jaw-breaker out/beyond its event horizon; consider it a form of proselytizing: but a Progressivism able to reach beyond itself - and while a wonderful presumption especially when it fulfills itself; it is presumed that we *are* Progressive, we here, and so requiring, at least to my mind, no re-definition that we are
:mental:
[youtube=425,350]MXW0bx_Ooq4[/youtube]
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Stoic-dense? What the **** is that? Stoicism is NOT being ruled by one's emotions and accepting one's destiny. Dense is thick or stupid. So does that mean they're destined to be stupid? They can keep that esoteric bullshit to themselves. I'm guessing this is one of those uber-quasi-intellectuals DU has running all over the island. I don't know the last time bridiot here had a jawbreaker but the inside of a jawbreaker is...more jawbreaker. Then again, they could just be living in a right wing existential nightmare where people are expected to take care of themselves...
Cindie
Heaven forbid!!!!!111111
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Sat Feb-06-10 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. A baseline difference for me is that the notion is to be extrapolated outward as from the...
core of a stoic-dense esoteric matter effecting, hopefully, others less-near the uber-principled centrality *of* that core - or as though from the core of a jaw-breaker out/beyond its event horizon; consider it a form of proselytizing: but a Progressivism able to reach beyond itself - and while a wonderful presumption especially when it fulfills itself; it is presumed that we *are* Progressive, we here, and so requiring, at least to my mind, no re-definition that we are
( HUH???????? )
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Stoic-dense? What the **** is that? Stoicism is NOT being ruled by one's emotions and accepting one's destiny. Dense is thick or stupid. So does that mean they're destined to be stupid? They can keep that esoteric bullshit to themselves. I'm guessing this is one of those uber-quasi-intellectuals DU has running all over the island. I don't know the last time bridiot here had a jawbreaker but the inside of a jawbreaker is...more jawbreaker. Then again, they could just be living in a right wing existential nightmare where people are expected to take care of themselves...
Cindie
Damn, you got a lot more sense out of that pile of miscellaneous, unsorted words and phrases than I did. I couldn't help but feel it was actually sapping both my intellect and will-to-live with each additional chunk of gibberish she threw into it.
:banghead:
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Damn, you got a lot more sense out of that pile of miscellaneous, unsorted words and phrases than I did. I couldn't help but feel it was actually sapping both my intellect and will-to-live with each additional chunk of gibberish she threw into it.
:banghead:
I was an English major. I speak fluent bullshit.
Cindie
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I was an English major. I speak fluent bullshit.
Cindie
So's my wife, she really hates it when she says something weird and I screw with her by asking follow-up, cross-examination-style questions to pin her down and show her just how weird it was.
:evillaugh:
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I was an English major. I speak fluent bullshit.
Cindie
Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!111111 Absolutely priceless Cin!!!!!!!!
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These "Progressives" remind me of Dr Science.
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