FarCenter (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-29-10 09:45 PM
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1st high-speed railway in west China finishes trial operation
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90776/90884/6882228....
The first high-speed passenger railway in western China, which links Xi'an with Zhengzhou, finished trial operation Thursday, the designer said.
The trial train finished the 505-km journey in 1 hour and 48 minutes at a speed of up to 352 km/h, said Bai Cuncang, the railway's chief engineer.
The line will help shorten the travel time between the two major cities to less than two hours from current six hours, according to the China Railway First Survey and Design Institute.
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Note that this is an actual high-speed train operating at up to 218 mph, with average speed for the trip of 174 mph.
It is not some fake high-speed train operating at 90 or 110 mph.
It is also built.
FarCenter (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-29-10 10:05 PM
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2. They've got trains. We've got funding for studies of two lines, and a bunch of expenditures on half-way measures to get to 90 or 110 mph on others.
HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-29-10 10:07 PM
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3. I know, but until yesterday you didn't even have that.
I understand that studies have been done, in fact that there are numerous studies going back for years. Surely they just need a dust-off?
Brickbat (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-29-10 10:09 PM
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4. They also have very different labor laws, construction standards, and environmental regulations.
HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-29-10 10:10 PM
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5. No actually they don't.
These trains in China are the best in the world
But if you don't like theirs...you could always go for the Japanese and European ones.
Brickbat (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-29-10 10:27 PM
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8. Wait, what?
They DON'T have very different labor laws, construction standards, and environmental regulations?
FarCenter (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-29-10 10:20 PM
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6. Yes, the California route will never be built; there'll be some damn toad living in the desert...
Atman (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-29-10 11:28 PM
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12. I'd sooner risk my life on a carnival ride than a Chinese-made bullet train.
When the pewter wheel melt and the whole thing disintegrates at 110 mph, I don't want to be on it.
Atman (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-30-10 12:51 AM
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44. One last post before this gets locked down?
Heresy's attempt to promote Chinese totalitarianism and shoddy/shitty/deadly manufacturing = EPIC FAIL.
HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-30-10 12:54 AM
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45. Some posters hiding behind nationalism and nonsense rather than discussing high-speed trains.
Obama's ideas are that bad eh?
Gee, I liked em
Atman (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-30-10 12:57 AM
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46. I LOVE the idea of high-speed rail. I live in the Northeast. Rail should replace air travel.
None other than Richard Branson (Virgin Airlines) proposed charging a huge surtax on any air route served by rail, as rail has so much less of an impact on the environment. I'm 100% for it. Considerably less so if we allow China to build "OUR" trains.
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Atman (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-30-10 12:57 AM
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46. I LOVE the idea of high-speed rail. I live in the Northeast. Rail should replace air travel.
None other than Richard Branson (Virgin Airlines) proposed charging a huge surtax on any air route served by rail, as rail has so much less of an impact on the environment. I'm 100% for it. Considerably less so if we allow China to build "OUR" trains.
A giant white elephant. boondoggle that will take 30 years to build and require massive subsidies forever.
And where are they going to get the land? How many people will they have to eject from their homes by eminent domain? The environmental impact? Razing the land, buildings, existing roadways...all the trees (oh noes, not the trees.)
Outside of the Northeast corridor hellhole, and maybe the Cook County hellhole, public transit systems are invariably a black hole that moonbats love to shovel money into. If you look at ridership, in almost every case it would be cheaper to buy each rider a car. "Light rail" is a democrat term that means billions of dollars to run empty trains around medium size cities. We already pay hundreds of millions to run empty buses around the same cities.
Atman (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-30-10 12:57 AM
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46. I LOVE the idea of high-speed rail. I live in the Northeast. Rail should replace air travel.
None other than Richard Branson (Virgin Airlines) proposed charging a huge surtax on any air route served by rail, as rail has so much less of an impact on the environment. I'm 100% for it. Considerably less so if we allow China to build "OUR" trains.
One word: Underground pneumatic tube trains.
One word: Underground pneumatic tube trains.
My wallet scurried off and hid under the couch when it heard that word.
Love the progress you are suggesting there - Lets go back to trains !.
Rail has less impact on the environment does it ?
What about the whopping great chunk of mother nature you have to clear and level to build the track eh ? Hundreds if not thousands of square miles total clearing, and that's not even considering the cut and fill to get the track to a gradient that can be used by common systems, running out the electrical and signaling systems and so on.
Idiots.
They believe anything thier lords and masters tell them without question If they were told that nuclear buses were green even though they put large amounts of radiation,we would see push for them.
Why can't we just have teleporters? They work pretty well in Second Life, shouldn't be too hard to port to First Life, eh? :tongue:Just watch out for the flies. :hyper:
The bottom line with them is it is always about a free ride,no pun intended.
A giant white elephant. boondoggle that will take 30 years to build and require massive subsidies forever.
Here, in Cali, they want to build the same kind of POS. A train to go between * SF and LA. I never knew SF and LA had daily commuters...........
*382 miles
Here, in Cali, they want to build the same kind of POS. A train to go between * SF and LA. I never knew SF and LA had daily commuters...........
*382 miles
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I had a professor who flew up from Southern California to Northern California twice a week to teach. But, it isn't very common
I had a professor who flew up from Southern California to Northern California twice a week to teach.
Like alternative fuels, it's an idea that would make great sense in a world without (Relatively) cheap oil. As long as we live in a cheap-oil world, though, it will never make economic sense on its own, outside a select few densely-populated corridors.
His time was wasted.
What, you sayin' I'm stupid or somethingAbsolutely not. In fact, had I not known better, I would have sworn you were educated in one of the decent and
Outside of the Northeast corridor hellhole, and maybe the Cook County hellhole, public transit systems are invariably a black hole that moonbats love to shovel money into. If you look at ridership, in almost every case it would be cheaper to buy each rider a car. "Light rail" is a democrat term that means billions of dollars to run empty trains around medium size cities. We already pay hundreds of millions to run empty buses around the same cities.
Rail should replace air travel.
It won't be free. It will actually be kind of expensive