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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on January 16, 2010, 11:54:35 PM
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-16-10 08:50 PM
#04 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009; THE SUBWAY CAT
Original message
Neb. bill would tie welfare benefits to drug tests
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God forbid an addict needs help to survive!
And would that piss test exclude certain psych meds?Prescribed by your psychiatrist? How about Pain killers for people in pain management under a doctor's care?
This who DESERVES mentality of the right and it's stupid zero sum game bullshit is what has to DIE.
Improve ones life? Who measures the'improvements' and defines what an'improvement" IS in someone else s's life ? Is it centered on getting a JOB or a person's capacity to live their own life? Who DEFINES that? The person or the MARKET responsible for the psychopathic sorts of lies made into belief that people get what they "deserve"...
http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/iie/v3n2/justwor...
**** you Janssen what makes YOU think you deserve your wealth asshole? What makes YOU think you get to decide who survives.
I think rich parasites like you deserve to be hated and made poor for the rich politician pigs like you exploited millions to become what they are.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7484428
It has to be seen to be believed.
Edited by franksolich to add name of original poster; sorry for the inconvenience. Carry on.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jan-16-10 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #68
74. It is society paying people
to live with a bare sense of independence. That is their minimum wage for being born in the U.S. It is either that or prisons and workhouses. You can call it a gift as, no doubt, it makes you feel superior.
Being born in the US is a burden for which one deserves to be compensated?
:bird:
Go fellate a jack hammer before I repeal the 13th amendment.
undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jan-16-10 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #74
97. Independence is myth
we all need each other to survive.The world is a hostile predatory place,it does not need people playing elitist with others lives on top of bloody clawed nature. No one asked to be born here.Nobody deserves the shit life flings on people. Humanity does not need stupid hypocrites spouting social darwinism pointed at some of us because we are not the fortunate ones. Not everyone is lucky or copes or handles hardships like certain self righteous twits pride themselves upon ,Look if we were a bunch of sociopaths we would not exist as a species.Social Darwinism is eugenics and it is a LIE.
That's reality.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jan-16-10 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #97
99. lol you do realise that you are just an animal like any other, darwinism cuts across the species
at the end of the day. you say independance is a myth, yes it is to you but to many peoples its how they live and survive..
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jan-16-10 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #99
104. She said "Social Darwinism" which is a eugenicist crackpot theory dreamed
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 10:51 PM by Luminous Animal
up by Charles Darwin's crackpot cousin. It applies the scientific conclusions of evolution in order to human interactions in order to support a dog-eat-dog world.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jan-16-10 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #104
111. you do know it is a dog eat dog world dont you, we have this veneer of society but strip that away
and we become tribal as hell, just look at any place in the world were civilisation breaks down even for a few hours and you start to see the unravelling..
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jan-16-10 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #111
119. In tribal societies, the tribe takes care of all of its members. That's what we've lost
But overall, you're right, mostly, humans (like other chimps) are a loutish, aggressive species that ordinarily drives away or kills the weak and the sick, commits genocide, wages war, rapes, murders, and cannibalizes.
The difference is we don't HAVE to be.
Tucker
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jan-16-10 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #119
142. as an anthropologist, I have to tell you, you are incorrect. Tribe members depend on their clan
and membership depends on a shared world view and strict adherence to rules.
If you step outside the bounds of highly circumscribed behavior, you will be ostracized.
Furthermore, in tribal society, all resources belong to the group. You do not get anything without subscribing to the religion of the group.
Many DU'ers don't realize the freedom we have from the social strictures tribes adhere to.
undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-17-10 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #142
208. not all tribes are like that
http://www.enotes.com/genocide-encyclopedia/taino-arawa...
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-17-10 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #208
214. rofl you do realise that link says they are all dead and gone
:rotf:
Exterminted by genocde no less. :evillaugh:
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isn't it the left that thinks the economy is a zero sum game?
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isn't it the left that thinks the economy is a zero sum game?
Yep, they think that for them to get ahead, others have to suffer. They must have just discovered the phrase, as I've seen it at least three times over the last two days. Their context in which they use it never makes any sense. They just claim out of nowhere that we're zero sum, with no anecdotal evidence to back it up. I suppose they think it makes them look smart.
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The DUmmies are so short sited that they don't see just how much Americans happily help their fellow Americans. Go to a food bank or soup kitchen on any given day, and there will be volunteers gladly helping. Habitat for Humanity generally has a waiting list to volunteer. In general, people, especially religious people, will give what they can to help. However, they expect what they give to be put to good use. They expect it to be spent on food and other necessities, not recreational drugs. They expect people to do what they can to improve their own situation once the immediate needs have been met.
Why do the DUmmies think that productive Americans should provide for those who choose to be non-productive members of society. If you want to sit around and smoke weed all day, go for it, but don't expect me to pay for it.
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The opening post is total bullshit to begin with. I'll type slow so any lurking DUmmies can understand....
If you have to take a drug test, take your PRESCRIPTIONS with you. My wife has to have drug tests and she is on prescription pain meds for chronic back pain. No problem whatsoever with any drug tests....
The subway cat needs to stop eating out of her own litterbox, she is already full of shit....
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Being born in the US is a burden for which one deserves to be compensated?
:bird:
Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-16-10 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #41
66. Nope. It is a meager payoff for being forced to live in a competitive system. And in every competition, every single one, there are losers. It is our mean tip of the hat to socialism which gives the losers the bare minimum to survive so that we don't have to step over their sick and dying bodies on the way to the coffee shop.
They're insane. :lmao:
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On what planet could piss testing people who feed off of the government teat every be a bad idea? Said here before, I had to do random piss tests for nigh on a decade to even be allowed a script for opiates. Seems fair that if someone else, i.e. the American Taxpayer, has to pay for it, then some rules should be written and implemented.
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On what planet could piss testing people who feed off of the government teat every be a bad idea? Said here before, I had to do random piss tests for nigh on a decade to even be allowed a script for opiates. Seems fair that if someone else, i.e. the American Taxpayer, has to pay for it, then some rules should be written and implemented.
But, milady, the gutter gato thinks that, because it exists and uses some of the same oxygen molecules as others do, everyone else must support it. The extreme application of the phrase, "From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs."
The gutter gato thinks that, by its' very presence upon the Earth, that all of us mere mortals should be grateful to Gaia for putting the he/she/it here.
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I had to take a drug test Friday for work, so did one other person in my department. Evidently the other guy forgot to study for it. He claims to have been at a party and got second hand "smoke". They sent his sample to a better lab, and if the level is below a certain minimum, then he's in the clear.
Hey DUmmies, if I have to be tested to work for a paycheck, then you can certainly be tested for your freebies.
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I had to take a drug test Friday for work, so did one other person in my department. Evidently the other guy forgot to study for it. He claims to have been at a party and got second hand "smoke". They sent his sample to a better lab, and if the level is below a certain minimum, then he's in the clear.
Hey DUmmies, if I have to be tested to work for a paycheck, then you can certainly be tested for your freebies.
I'm so glad they have an initial screening process in the nuclear industry. Cuts down on the moonbat factor considerably. Either that, or any DUmmie who can get past a drug test, and a pysch screen, and financial and criminal background checks, and references without any flags coming up is a really good mole over at the DUmp.
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The opening post is total bullshit to begin with. I'll type slow so any lurking DUmmies can understand....
If you have to take a drug test, take your PRESCRIPTIONS with you. My wife has to have drug tests and she is on prescription pain meds for chronic back pain. No problem whatsoever with any drug tests....
The subway cat needs to stop eating out of her own litterbox, she is already full of shit...
In my experience you're 100% correct. A few years back I had to take a drug test to do work on a particular factory's property. Not long before I had to take the drug test I was given some pain meds by a doctor. I asked him about the drugs and the test. He told me to just take the prescription to the test. I showed the prescription to the test giver. She marked it down, and I had no problems.
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I had to take a drug test Friday for work, so did one other person in my department. Evidently the other guy forgot to study for it. He claims to have been at a party and got second hand "smoke". They sent his sample to a better lab, and if the level is below a certain minimum, then he's in the clear.
Hey DUmmies, if I have to be tested to work for a paycheck, then you can certainly be tested for your freebies.
What is the other guy's DU name? :rotf:
And I agree, if those of us who have to pee in a bottle to have the privilege of going to work then they can pee in a bottle too. And anyone with any common sense knows if you are on prescription drugs you take the script in when you get tested. DUmmies prove very day how stupid they are.
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I had to take a drug test Friday for work, so did one other person in my department. Evidently the other guy forgot to study for it. He claims to have been at a party and got second hand "smoke". They sent his sample to a better lab, and if the level is below a certain minimum, then he's in the clear.
Hey DUmmies, if I have to be tested to work for a paycheck, then you can certainly be tested for your freebies.
I drove for a delivery company for over 20 years, and per DOT regs, we had to have a mandatory drug test, at least 2 random each year, plus we got another one biannually when we got our DOT physicals....
I guess it never occurred to a DUmmie that if you stay clean and sober, you have nothing to worry about....
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Oh my.
Someone else besides franksolich looks at Skins's island as an adventure in anthropology?
KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-16-10 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #119
142. as an anthropologist, I have to tell you, you are incorrect. Tribe members depend on their clan and membership depends on a shared world view and strict adherence to rules.
If you step outside the bounds of highly circumscribed behavior, you will be ostracized.
Furthermore, in tribal society, all resources belong to the group. You do not get anything without subscribing to the religion of the group.
Many DU'ers don't realize the freedom we have from the social strictures tribes adhere to.
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I bet some there now have Kitty tagged as your mole Frank. :rotf:
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I drove for a delivery company for over 20 years, and per DOT regs, we had to have a mandatory drug test, at least 2 random each year, plus we got another one biannually when we got our DOT physicals....
I guess it never occurred to a DUmmie that if you stay clean and sober, you have nothing to worry about....
If you read the thread you'll see the only welfare recipients on illegal drugs--EVER--are combat vets scarred with PTSD from *'s evil corporatist wars (thankfully Obama is in office so the righteous glow of His Being shields troops from PTSD).
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I bet some there now have Kitty tagged as your mole Frank. :rotf:
Oooops.
There I went again, speaking twice and thinking once, rather than thinking twice and speaking once.
Excresence happens.
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After more than a third of a century of active and reserve military service to collect the shilling, I really don't have any sympathy at all for any whining by someone else that want's public money. The military tests are, shall we say, a bit more intrusive than many civilian tests.
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... The military tests are, shall we say, a bit more intrusive than many civilian tests.
I keep trying to explain that I'm just really cold.
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I keep trying to explain that I'm just really cold.
I'm sure they know you're really 'A bigger man than that,' MSB.
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If you read the thread you'll see the only welfare recipients on illegal drugs--EVER--are combat vets scarred with PTSD from *'s evil corporatist wars (thankfully Obama is in office so the righteous glow of His Being shields troops from PTSD).
I am so stealing that last sentence that and shoving it down every liberal's throat I can find.
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They want the government OUT of their business on welfare but INTO their business on healthcare.
:thatsright:
DUmbest people on earth.
KC
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They want the government OUT of their business on welfare but INTO their business on healthcare.
:thatsright:
DUmbest people on earth.
KC
You're missing the connection: they want free drugs.
Their ability to corrupt themselves is more important to than any sense of liberty or self-sufficiency.
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I fail to see why they cant understand the concept of the more you give to someone the less they will tend to work. ::)
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I fail to see why they cant understand the concept of the more you give to someone the less they will tend to work. ::)
What makes you think they don't understand that?
UGP and Bobo the Hobo are both proof that you can be fed, clothed, housed and heavily medicated on other people's labor. They know this. They may not admit it because nobody on DU has the stones unless they want the granite.
I'd love to tell both of them both they are the reason the 13th Amendment should be repealed and then I'd like to see them beaten and sold at public auction with the proceeds going to pay down the national debt their worthlessness helped incur.
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You want to see true impotent rage ensue over at Skinner's Island of Misfit Mouth-Breathers?
In addition to drug testing for welfare recipients, I'm also in favor of a variation of a mod to welfare law that Beck has been suggesting. He thinks that if you want welfare benefits, you should have to show your high school diploma. I would expand that slightly, requiring a high school diploma, or a DD-214 in lieu of the diploma in order to 'pass go' and collect welfare bennies.
But then I'm also one of those mean bastards who would be in favor of 'Service guarantees citizenship' as an operating principle for the Republic.
Suggest this, and heads would surely be assplodin' over there.
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Shouldn't people that vehemently believe in Darwinism let it continue?
Or could it just be that most of the DUchebags are drug addled leaches on society?
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Shouldn't people that vehemently believe in Darwinism let it continue?
Or could it just be that most of the DUchebags are drug addled leaches on society?
I vote for the latter.
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Or could it just be that most of the DUchebags are drug addled leaches on society?
I can't believe you even asked that question! We all know what the answer is.
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I can't believe you even asked that question! We all know what the answer is.
I gotta agree with ya. :thatsright: Why even bother to ask the question?
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Jan-16-10 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #111
119. In tribal societies, the tribe takes care of all of its members. That's what we've lost
But overall, you're right, mostly, humans (like other chimps) are a loutish, aggressive species that ordinarily drives away or kills the weak and the sick, commits genocide, wages war, rapes, murders, and cannibalizes.
The difference is we don't HAVE to be.
You need to study your tribal societies a bit more. While they "took care" of everyone those YOU would consider most in need were taken care of last. It was a practical survival mechanism for the tribe. When doling out foods the weak, elderly, and sick were fed LAST. Because they were most expendable. Sick and elderly were often left behind to die alone because they were a burden, dead weight. Life was so hard that women were often unable to get pregnant more than once. That's why kidnapping babies and young children was acceptable.
Cindie
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Cindie,
You are one sharp chickie.
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You want to see true impotent rage ensue over at Skinner's Island of Misfit Mouth-Breathers?
In addition to drug testing for welfare recipients, I'm also in favor of a variation of a mod to welfare law that Beck has been suggesting. He thinks that if you want welfare benefits, you should have to show your high school diploma. I would expand that slightly, requiring a high school diploma, or a DD-214 in lieu of the diploma in order to 'pass go' and collect welfare bennies.
But then I'm also one of those mean bastards who would be in favor of 'Service guarantees citizenship' as an operating principle for the Republic.
Suggest this, and heads would surely be assplodin' over there.
I heard Neal Boortz propose this one:
Only property holders and taxpayers get to vote....
It would keep leaches like DUmmies from voting for a "pay raise" out of the national treasury....
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Only property holders and taxpayers get to vote....
Plus how about anyone recieving government funds for any reason not being allowed to vote?
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I heard Neal Boortz propose this one:
Only property holders and taxpayers get to vote....
It would keep leaches like DUmmies from voting for a "pay raise" out of the national treasury....
Which is no doubt why most of the first drafts of the Constitution imposed some sort of property ownership as a condition to being able to vote. There were many good reasons advanced back then for why that was in inequitable condition to impose, and I still think that on balance those arguments win, but the primitives certainly do their best to flip the balance in the other direction, in favor of such a precondition.
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I heard Neal Boortz propose this one:
Only property holders and taxpayers get to vote....
It would keep leaches like DUmmies from voting for a "pay raise" out of the national treasury....
Personally, I think voters should have to pass some sort of basic political knowledge test to vote. If you don't know enough about our government to know that we have three branches, then why should we let you make any decisions about the government?
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I heard Neal Boortz propose this one:
Only property holders and taxpayers get to vote....
It would keep leaches like DUmmies from voting for a "pay raise" out of the national treasury....
I have one problem with that. Due to military service hubby and I do not own property and do not plan to till retirement. Eases the burden on us having to sell every few years to move to a new duty station.
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I have one problem with that. Due to military service hubby and I do not own property and do not plan to till retirement. Eases the burden on us having to sell every few years to move to a new duty station.
I think both of our ideas would exclude the military.
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I think both of our ideas would exclude the military.
Just wanted to clear that one up! LOL
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Military service ought to be the sine qua non of someone who is entitled to vote - anyone who willingly puts their life on the line for the country (even if never actually placed in the line of danger) is someone who, generally speaking, has a sufficient investment in the well-being of this country that they can be trusted to act in good faith when deciding how to vote.
And I say this as a formerly pansy-assed college lib in the mold of PJ O'Rourke who came to his senses too late to be able to serve.
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I had to get a drug test to get my paycheck ... I see no difference.
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i totally forgot about this one, i gotta say it was one of the easiest balls to hit out of the park what with the link being provided for me...
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I keep trying to explain that I'm just really cold.
Just tell them that for a bunny you are hung like J. Holmes.
It's relative, Bugs.