He meant the president politicizes everything about himself because Obama is a power-grubbing ego-maniac. All liberals do, you people can't help yourselves.
Incorrectamundo.
Katrina?
Oklahoma city?
Columbine?
Where do you want me to stop?
You can stop whenever you choose.
Course we haven't provided any proof to the premise.
You can stop whenever you choose.
Course we haven't provided any proof to the premise.
Go wander the DUmp...they are falling all over themselves to say that "NO NO,Haiti is totally different then Katrina."
They sowed the seed and now that it is biting you in the ass you are still trying to politicize it.
Really?
Katrina was blamed on President Bush even though the evidence has clearly proven that the Federal government was there and ready to go...and the failure was in the state and local government in helping the people.
Hell Obama and his cronies are STILL playing the Blame Bush game on Katrina 5 years later.
Oklahoma City...perhaps you forget President Clinton whining incessantly that people like Tim McVeigh were motivated by hateful right wing talk radio and specifically Rush Limbaugh.
I guess you forgot about his interview on KMOX from Air Force One.
Columbine...blamed on Conservatives and our blood lust for guns and the Second Amendment.
There hasn't been a tragedy in the last 30 years that I can think of that the Liberal Democrats in this country HASN'T blamed on Republicans/Conservatives...and that includes 9/11.
Really.
Still haven't proven the premise.
Just because YOU either refuse to see it...or it's beyond your level of comprehension doesn't mean it's not been proven.
Liberals...whether in politics or the media take every opportunity they can to politicize everything...and at the same time blame the Republicans.
Danny Glover is out there blaming an earthquake on Global Warming.
Keith Olberman is saying that the earthquake in Hati is proof positive why we need socialized medicine in this country.
How much more friggin proof do you need?
It has not been proven it is as simple as that. At best you can prove some, that is a rather obvious reality, but the premise was "ALL" wasn't it?
Thank you but no thank you but still we are failing to see how that does not prove the above premise.
Pray tell what am I trying to politicize?
You keep saying that...we keep showing you where your denial of reality continually trips over the facts.
The list of politicized tragedies...major disasters etc have been politicized for one use or another by Democrats over the years.
Since you're an FNG here...we were trying to be nice and list just a few in the hopes you would realize where you were wrong.
Seems you're one of the types that insists on learning EVERYTHING the hard way.
The proof to back up what we're talking about has been put out there. Deny it all you want...doesn't make it any less true or your claim that nothing has been proven any less false.
But hey...if you think we're wrong...show us where we are. Show us you've got more critical thinking skills than your average deck mopper and lay out the case for your side of the argument.
Please tell me that the grand sum total of your case against what we've shown you isn't "No it's not".
"All of that central to what the Obama administration says it wants to do differently than what Bush and Cheney did."
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/01/16/stewart-rips-maddow-using-haiti-crisis-bash-bush-maddow-strikes-back#ixzz0cp4kVzn3
That's Rachel Maddow politicizing the earthquake in Haiti.
Shall we continue?
Ah so some=all is that a fact?
But nothing proving "ALL"
By all means get as mean as you wish.
It's a free country. And I'm used to it anyway.
I simply request logical proof.
If the proof is out there I haven't seen it yet.
In case this isn't obvious I'm an avowed Liberal. I also happen to be a registered Democrat.
I don't blame Republicans, American Conservatives, or President Bush for........
9/11
Katrina
Columbine
Nor do I see Haiti as a proof of global warming or evidence that we need socialized medicine.
Frankly it's illogical to blame Republicans/American Conservatives for anything as they are a diverse group and blaming anything on a heterogenous demographic is the epitome of senseless.
That makes at least 1 Liberal Democrat out there that isn't inclined to politicize everything as you have insisted otherwise.
the existence of just one (course there are more) pretty much disproves the premise that all Liberals are inclined to politicize everything and/or blame Republicans for everything.
Thank you and have a fine Navy day!!!!
Ah so some=all is that a fact?
But nothing proving "ALL"
By all means get as mean as you wish.
It's a free country. And I'm used to it anyway.
I simply request logical proof.
If the proof is out there I haven't seen it yet.
Oh I'd be happy to.
Ya ready?
In case this isn't obvious I'm an avowed Liberal. I also happen to be a registered Democrat.
I don't blame Republicans, American Conservatives, or President Bush for........
9/11
Katrina
Columbine
Nor do I see Haiti as a proof of global warming or evidence that we need socialized medicine.
Frankly it's illogical to blame Republicans/American Conservatives for anything as they are a diverse group and blaming anything on a heterogenous demographic is the epitome of senseless.
That makes at least 1 Liberal Democrat out there that isn't inclined to politicize everything as you have insisted otherwise.
the existence of just one (course there are more) pretty much disproves the premise that all Liberals are inclined to politicize everything and/or blame Republicans for everything.
Thank you and have a fine Navy day!!!!
Then as a high minded liberal you will condemn what those who represent you have done?
Katrina alone is an abomination to a thinking person,pleas to get out,a mayor that didn`t execute the evacuation plan,a governor that had to be begged to follow the protocols laid down for assistance.
Those are the facts but liberals immediately were in gear to bury them and politicize it.
Are you proud and supportive of that.
Clinton appeared at Oklahoma City a few days after the bombing and climbed on the bodies of the dead not to say a word of condolence but make a speech intended to demonize critics of his policies.
Are you proud and supportive of that?
Sorry to anyone it may offend but these folks are just plain useless ******* idiots.
If you are all so damned sure of yourselves then come in here and make arguments and defend positions but you can`t.
You try to play coy little games as diversions...have some spine and put your best argument forward if you dare.
None of you will.
But Carl...don't you see...because Navy Troll doesn't believe that way...it's proof...PROOF that Liberals as a whole don't politicize and demonize!
How could we have been so blind to not see the beauty of that logic?
If that's mean to you than you have bigger issues than what can be addressed here. FNG...you're telling me that in your military career you've NEVER been referred to int hat way? Or when the mean ol Chief Petty Officer referred to you as that did you go running to your Division Officer to complain?
Jeeze...good thing I didn't refer to you in the same manner I refer to my new soldiers. You might have cried.
:rotf: That's it? That's all you've got to prove that Liberals don't politicize tragedies and natural disasters?
Because YOU don't do it is proof that no Liberal does it?
OMG...from what I'd heard about you prior to your arrival I thought you might be a smart troll. Someone that might try to make an intelligent argument.
Looks like Thor lied to us.
I want to see how he rationalizes the fact that his political ilk does at every turn but he is still somehow pure in support of them.
I wasn't trying to prove that "Liberals don't politicize tragedies and natural disasters," In fact I stated it was an "obvious reality" that some do.
What I PROVED is that not all do.
Oh and Thor never lies.
In case this isn't obvious I'm an avowed Liberal. I also happen to be a registered Democrat.
Then as a high minded liberal you will condemn what those who represent you have done?
Sorry to anyone it may offend but these folks are just plain useless ****ing idiots.
If you are all so damned sure of yourselves then come in here and make arguments and defend positions but you can`t.
You try to play coy little games as diversions...have some spine and put your best argument forward if you dare.
None of you will.
As a "high minded Liberal" I find it pretty distasteful when any individual of any ideology politicizes a national/international tragedy.
That doesn't represent me, unless I voted for them.
No you said the premise was false...despite the fact that evidence was given to prove that we were indeed correct.
What you proved...and the only thing you proved...supposedly...is that you don't politicize these things.
Pardon me if I remain skeptical.
Thought you were going to get a beer?
As a "high minded Liberal" I find it pretty distasteful when any individual of any ideology politicizes a national/international tragedy.
That doesn't represent me, unless I voted for them.
So you condemn what was done in the wake of Katrina?
Then you didn't vote for Barack Obama?
Pretty much.
I want to see how he rationalizes the fact that his political ilk does at every turn but he is still somehow pure in support of them.
Pretty much.
That's not an answer.
Thing of it is Carl is that what my "political ilk" does or does not do is up to them as individuals.
They are culpable as individuals not as an "ilk."
Right that explain the hive mentality and group think of the Liberal left in this country and the automatic ridicule slander and banishment of anyone who steps out of line.
Individualism is not allowed in Liberal land.
Yes it is an answer.
Much to learn you still have.
Thing of it is Carl is that what my "political ilk" does or does not do is up to them as individuals.
They are culpable as individuals not as an "ilk."
Fair enough but if you are a free and honest thinker when do you divorce yourself from that screed?
I am not talking policy differences here either but a fundamental reckoning that what those who say they share my political outlook are simply not correct in any of their motives and desires.
Very simple.
It is a question of following the dictates of one's own conscience and being open minded.
Very simple.
It is a question of following the dictates of one's own conscience and being open minded.
And what part of your conscience makes you think you're entitled to my money?
What's the use of an open mind when it's filled with statist crap?
And what part of your conscience makes you think you're entitled to my money?
No part.
Any other questions?
No part.
Any other questions?
Very simple.
It is a question of following the dictates of one's own conscience and being open minded.
Then why did you vote for a man who does?
Why are you a member of a political party that does?
Maybe you're not really a liberal.
Maybe you're just a ***** who is too scared of the moniker "conservative".
Uhmm...so does that equate to a position of the ends justifies the means?
Who did I vote for?
So I can vote in their primary elections.
Perhaps a Liberal Conservative but I don't like to call myself a "Conservative" because it makes me feel old.
Rather depends on the circumstances.
If you're a liberal and a dimocrat, you voted for the light skinned negro without a negro accent.
If you didn't they'll burn you at the stake at the next Huffington Post Convergence of the Planets convention.
Cute but enough of the dancing around words stuff.
What is your view of the role of government in this country?
Where do you stand on entitlements such as welfare?
Are you in favor of single payer,socialized healthcare?
Do you view capitalism as an evil?
Stand up for yourself and your beliefs and be prepared to debate them.
Perhaps if you were to define "liberal conservative" briefly, it might save everybody a lot of typing........
doc
Perhaps if you were to define "liberal conservative" briefly, it might save everybody a lot of typing........I'm content to keep poking it with a sharp stick.
doc
I'm content to keep poking it with a sharp stick.
You DO realize that he's jerking your chain, er......floppy ears, right??
doc
All I did was question an ill founded generalization.
oy
OK
What is your view of the role of government in this country?
Should be a help not a hindrance. Should have some authority but limited authority. I could go on but this is a rather long answer.
Where do you stand on entitlements such as welfare?
To be honest Reagan summed up my feelings on welfare:
“Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.â€
Are you in favor of single payer,socialized healthcare?
Yes and No.
Do you view capitalism as an evil?
More of a pain in the ass reality of the world, better than the alternative in terms of maintaining a liberal society.
No I'm definitely a Liberal.
Perhaps a Liberal Conservative but I don't like to call myself a "Conservative" because it makes me feel old.
Who did I vote for?
So I can vote in their primary elections.
First two I would agree with for the most part.
Single payer I would ask your exact position and extend that to the current legislation even though right now is not single payer.
What do you agree with regarding single payer and what do you disagree with?
If capitalism is a pain in the a$$ but the best there is then what would you propose different if doable and if not then why.
I haven't even read the whole damn thing so I don't feel I should comment on it.
2 things come to mind. #1 I'm not thrilled with the idea of the government spending more #2 I would like to see that all Americans have access to affordable health care. Is "Obamacare" the way to achieve that? I'm not currently convinced that it is.
Nothing that isn't a fantasy.
I think y'all would be shocked at Nick's answer. I know, but I ain't tellin'...... :fuelfire:
I haven't even read the whole damn thing so I don't feel I should comment on it.
2 things come to mind. #1 I'm not thrilled with the idea of the government spending more #2 I would like to see that all Americans have access to affordable health care. Is "Obamacare" the way to achieve that? I'm not currently convinced that it is.
Nothing that isn't a fantasy.
What then is your beef with conservatism?
Some seem to be of the misguided opinion that all Liberals are pot smokin, tree huggin, tie dye t shirt wearin Obama worshipers regardless of the facts that prove otherwise.
oh well.
More fun for me.
Thor hasn't let us in on the secret, but I susbect that you may be "shinin us on" just a bit......I'll go along for the ride....
doc
Doc, I assure you that Nick is not "shining y'all on". He claims to be a "Liberal" and I take him for his word on that issue. He does have many traditionally conservative values. I'd be apt to suggest that he's more an early 60s type Liberal vs a modern day progressive Liberal.
the 60's liberal crowd were the "summer of love" sex, drugs, and rock and roll. anti-war crowd (now all grown up as "progressives") that wouldn't be caught dead in a Navy uniform......
I prefer to think of myself as more a George Washington Liberal Federalist with a 21st century perspective.
I hate 60's music.
I prefer to think of myself as more a George Washington Liberal Federalist with a 21st century perspective.
You should fit in fine around here.......I'm not crazy about 60's music myself.
doc
So what do you think about how president Washington sent the troops after the whiskey makers who didn't want to pay his higher taxes?
Are you okay with the federal government doing that?
Just asking.
Thor.....we really should split this thread.......we actually have a sensible discussion going on in the "Billy bashing thread"......we just can't interrupt the folks fun with their chew toy......
doc
My apologies
Didn't mean to derail Billy Bash Fest.
So this is supposed to prove that ALL do?
I don't have a beef with conservatism. I just don't agree with it on all issues.
Mostly social conservatism.
Meh, I don't know what the **** this guy thinks he is...besides somebody who likes to type a lot.
I don't have a beef with conservatism. I just don't agree with it on all issues.
Mostly social conservatism.
Am I required to bring the matches?
Meh, I don't know what the **** this guy thinks he is...besides somebody who likes to type a lot.
Okay, which aspects, specifically?
Abortion? Criminal punishment? Second amendment (obviously not given your other posts)?
Meh, I don't know what the **** this guy thinks he is...besides somebody who likes to type a lot.
Well of what you've mentioned.....
Abortion - Pro Choice
Criminal punishment - Pro Death Penalty
So how can you support punishment for crimes like murder in one instance yet defend murder in another?
Hypocrisy much?
They don't view the infant in the womb as a living human being, and therefore can't be murdered.
They don't view the infant in the womb as a living human being, and therefore can't be murdered.
As the father of six who was there to witness four of them come into the world...I can't find the words to tell them how wrong they are.
I prefer to think of myself as more a George Washington Liberal Federalist with a 21st century perspective.
I hate 60's music.
What is your rate?
well its not a dog or a cat or a horse
or a pig or a flea...
Information systems Technician.
Radioman or straight computer guy?
Then why not an RM?
RM became IT in 1998 if I remember correctly.
Not on the boats, IIRC.
As I recall, it was the DP's who were behind the 8-ball and the RM's who were pretty much up to speed.
Actually, I've done both in equal measure.
Incorrectamundo.
what makes me laugh about this entire thing is that everyone seems to fail on logic. This Absolut-whatshisname may be a Lib, but he's also 100% correct in this statement above. Unless y'all are going to prove every-single-case, then you can't prove "ALL." Sheesh - simple friggen logic. :whatever:
Well son of a bitch.................
THANK YOU! :bow:
:beer:
If you're a lib, we won't get along on most (almost all) things. But on logic and stupid bullshit, I'll support the person who is correct.
If you're a lib, we won't get along on most (almost all) things. But on logic and stupid bullshit, I'll support the person who is correct.
Being a leftist is political, period.
Naturally.
No, I mean they want to control other people. If people like me were the majority the Congress would meet for a week and go home, the government would be so small that it would have no real impact on day to day lives. We have no desire for government to control anyone or anything.
'Makers vs Takers' is another good term for the differences between one side and the other.
Everyone is naturally inclined to want to control other people, to impose their values on the public at large. The main difference between the stereotypical established left and right are what aspects of life, culture, and society they look to regulate and or restrict and what they look to liberalize.
Fortunately not everyone melds into the stereotypical.
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Be aware - I agreed with you on your logic. But focusing on semantics rather than the actual topic also makes you a petty bitch.
Just NAVELSG.
Ouch!
Tell ya what--go get a Sea Service ribbon, THEN you can tell us what it's all about.
For the record, I had five.
Be aware - I agreed with you on your logic. But focusing on semantics rather than the actual topic also makes you a petty bitch.
And this is where you are completely incorrect.
BTW - since you called it, please PROVE that "everyone is naturally inclined...."
Play by your own rules, please.
Simply a matter of basic human instinct.
From when we are born our basic instinct is exert some measure of control/influence over our environment and by extention the people in that environment to satisfy our basic needs and wants.
We're taught that we can't always have it our way but none the less the instinct remains.
Now as we grow older that instinct influences or has the capacity to influence the attitudes and sentiments we develope over time. A baisc human want is a measure of conformity to one's own ideal environment, and again a basic human instinct is to exert control over one's own environment. So at some level there is an underlying instinct to control the people around us to satisfy our want of conformity.
Nice opinion. You haven't proven your statement. You said EVERYONE. Better start proving that - 7 Billion people in the world. You're going to be busy.
Either back up your shit, or stop playing pathetic symantical games.
Nice opinion. You haven't proven your statement. You said EVERYONE. Better start proving that - 7 Billion people in the world. You're going to be busy.
Either back up your shit, or stop playing pathetic symantical games.
That isn't a semantical game, pathetic or otherwise.
That's hypothesis backed by observation supported by facts regarding basic human social psychology.
And until now one I thought that was more widely known and accepted.
Now if you have evidence to disprove the aforementioned hypothesis, I'm ready to open minedly hear your position.
Ok, let's be a little more nuanced in what counts as a logical argument, hmmm. I am not saying, for the time being, that Absolut's argument satisfies the criterion for an indirect proof, but if inductive reasoning is good enough for proving statements regarding the natural numbers (or some infinite subset thereof) then they ought, in principle, to be good enough for indirectly proving statements regarding a mere 7 billion or so human beings, no?
Everyone is naturally inclined to want to control other people...
This is ironic as the genesis of this thread came from his taking umbrage with my declaration that ALL liberals exploit tragedy for political gain.
That isn't a semantical game, pathetic or otherwise.
That's hypothesis backed by observation supported by facts regarding basic human social psychology.
And until now one I thought that was more widely known and accepted.
Now if you have evidence to disprove the aforementioned hypothesis, I'm ready to open minedly hear your position.
I don't need to disprove your hypothesis - you need to prove it.
If you're going to call people out for using the word "ALL," then you better be prepared to backup usage of the word "EVERYONE."
Either play by the rules you ask others to, or don't play at all, okay? I supported you earlier, now I'm holding you to the same accountability. Can't have it both ways, dude.
You know, a thief tends to view everyone else as a thief, thus justifying himself. "Everybody does it" is the rallying cry of the Statist, thus justifying their peccadilloes and foibles. And so are our true selves revealed in how we view "everyone."
It's also a cop out knee jerk defense when you can't argue the facts.Honestly, I don't think the guy is all that worth it. As soon as I saw the "I'm a liberal conservative" or whatever, I knew he was either very young and confused or simply very, very confused and not improving with age.
You know, a thief tends to view everyone else as a thief, thus justifying himself. "Everybody does it" is the rallying cry of the Statist, thus justifying their peccadilloes and foibles. And so are our true selves revealed in how we view "everyone."
Honestly, I don't think the guy is all that worth it.
It might even be worth it to tell him, "okay, you win." so he can go skipping away back to his liberal board bragging about his argumentative adequacy against we troglodyte cavians.
I'm not quite sure, but I don't believe that Nick belongs to any "Liberal" board. I DO know that he belongs to USMILNET and here. What I DO know of him, he's not that into forums and bringing him here was an effort in itself.
You know, we SAY that we have an "open" forum, but Lord forbid that anybody that thinks outside the group comes here. While I DO disdain some factions, like the Ron Paul robots, I'd like to consider myself open minded.
I'm not quite sure, but I don't believe that Nick belongs to any "Liberal" board. I DO know that he belongs to USMILNET and here. What I DO know of him, he's not that into forums and bringing him here was an effort in itself.Maybe he's not that much into forums because he's not that good at being on them? And that's fine. Everybody has different strengths.
You know, we SAY that we have an "open" forum, but Lord forbid that anybody that thinks outside the group comes here. While I DO disdain some factions, like the Ron Paul robots, I'd like to consider myself open minded.
I'm not quite sure, but I don't believe that Nick belongs to any "Liberal" board. I DO know that he belongs to USMILNET and here. What I DO know of him, he's not that into forums and bringing him here was an effort in itself.
For those concerned these are the forums I belong to:
USMILNET (as mentioned above)*
Military.com
US Milvets*
Democratic Underground
Maryland Shooters*
*Indicates I have posted within the past few months.
That's great and everything, but he hasn't actually said anything yet. It would be nice if he did something other than play with semantics.
Just sayin'.
Why does this not surprise me?
Because you're allowing your preconceptions to do the thinking for you?
Or perhaps your own words betray your position?
Come on Sparky, how many members here have accounts at DU??? Let's be objective about this.........
Not really
Because you're allowing your preconceptions to do the thinking for you?
Maybe not--you actually have to SAY something or have an opinion rather than just post-whore.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Pot meet Kettle. just sayin'........... :-)
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Pot meet Kettle. just sayin'........... :-)
Looking in the mirror again, Thor? Seriously, I don't know why you defend someone like Mr. Seagull here.
And when I have something to say, I say it. Ever known me to mince words, airedale?
Because you're both Sailors and I like you both. (Even though you're a Bubblehead Nuke and Nick's a Blackshoe geek) BTW, I'm not really defending Nick, just pointing out facts. ;)
If I needed someone to bore somebody to death by hair splitting, Nick would be the first person I called on.
I'll call him a sailor when he gets his first Sea Service Ribbon. Till then...get some time on the ****ing pond, nub.
Meh--it's all good, Thor. Even you too, Nick. But don't expect me to cut you any slack--look how I treat my FRIENDS... :evillaugh:
Okay, Nick--how about this--would you or would you not consider many of Obama's public appearances (including yesterday's speech in Ohio) as liberals politicizing a bad situation for political gain?
If not, why is it he is still so eager to pull out the "it's Bush's fault" card? It's been a year now. When do you think he'll start fixing problems and stop trying to fix blame?
Hmmm, do you have a Combat Action Ribbon?? Just askin'..........:stirpot:
I'll call him a sailor when he gets his first Sea Service Ribbon.
Sorry, no "been there with someone who got shot at" ribbon. But I do have a bunch of stuff in my service record with the line, "on a mission of vital importance to national security" in it, if you want to compare dick sizes. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
(You know I kid because I love, man...)
And yes, I'm also a VFW life member.
For the last time. I have a sea service ribbon.
Because you're both Sailors and I like you both. (Even though you're a Bubblehead Nuke and Nick's a Blackshoe geek) BTW, I'm not really defending Nick, just pointing out facts. ;)
Oh, really? So what might you be, Thor? Don't tell me you're a brownshoe...
Not trying to compare dick sizes, just pointing out that some people don't necessarily have the same or similar quals as another. Nick hasn't been through the grinder on recruiting, but you & I have. Know what I mean, Vern ??
Okay, Nick--how about this--would you or would you not consider many of Obama's public appearances (including yesterday's speech in Ohio) as liberals politicizing a bad situation for political gain?
If not, why is it he is still so eager to pull out the "it's Bush's fault" card? It's been a year now. When do you think he'll start fixing problems and stop trying to fix blame?
Okay, Nick--how about this--would you or would you not consider many of Obama's public appearances (including yesterday's speech in Ohio) as liberals politicizing a bad situation for political gain?
If not, why is it he is still so eager to pull out the "it's Bush's fault" card? It's been a year now. When do you think he'll start fixing problems and stop trying to fix blame?
One???? In how many years in? ROFLMAO.
BTW, Sparky, I only have THREE Sea Service awards out of twenty years. However, that doesn't count all of the short deployments I've been on that just barely didn't qualify for an award.
To be honest I didn't even pay attention to his public appearance yesterday in Ohio so I can't comment on that.
First off if anything it would be Obama politicizing a bad situation for political gain, not liberals en masse. Individual accountability.
Secondly I believe Pres Obama has politicized a myriad of bad situations and it seems to have gotten him elected.
I hope that answers your question satisfactorily.
I have no idea when or if he'll start fixing problems. I did not think he could to begin with.
I apologize if my service lacks enough sparkle for your tastes, but so you know I am not in the Navy for chest candy or for your approbation.
Yet funny how the liberals all seem to have almost word-for-word the same talking points.
Yes, but sailors belong at SEA. If you wanted to sit on your ass in an office for your entire career you should have joined the Air Force.
You sure about that?
How many examples would you like?
Every last one.
Sparky, you have to give Nick SOME credit. At least he didn't come here under the guise of a "Conservative". He's a self-avowed Liberal and doesn't hide it. Better than I can say for some of our members.
OK, I won't tell you........... :tongue:
So spare me the, "Who, me?" innocent bullshit. We're not buying it.
Like I said, challenge your preconceptions or as we see they will challenge you.
Preconceptions? Hey, smartass--up until 2000 I was pretty much apolitical. It's my OBSERVATIONS which forged my beliefs. Got an idea of what even transpired that made me as conservative as I am now?
We have that in common.
So you can kindly take your little "preconceived" talking point, and shove it.
But if the shoe fits
And what have you shown me otherwise to dissuade me from my "preconceptions" as to your political leanings, aside from possibly your expression regarding gun laws?
Well, let's play that game then. You don't show shit, but you can demand I do?
**** that.
Geez.....not that I care.....but are you guys still trying to pick the fly shit out of the pepper?
doc
Beg pardon but what shit did I demand you show?
Every last one.
He's still trying to tell us the shit doesn't stink. We haven't got to the pepper part yet.
No, no, no, dutch. How many times do I have to tell you mouth-breathers, that if you want to insult a sailor, you have to use THIS commercial:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjAXJaFydwM[/youtube]
If that's what you've gotten outa the conversation it ain no wonder you're a prisoner of your preconceptions. Y'ain been payin attention.
:thatsright:
Surely, even you can do better than that!
I can but look what I have to work with.
That's true, rich--poor brains rattling around in his head have completely atrophied.
Yet funny how the liberals all seem to have almost word-for-word the same talking points.
You sure about that?
How many examples would you like?
Every last one.
And what have you shown me otherwise to dissuade me from my "preconceptions" as to your political leanings, aside from possibly your expression regarding gun laws?
That's true, rich--poor brains rattling around in his head have completely atrophied.
Beg your pardon but I've not yet completely sunken to your level. :cheersmate:
Actually, you have, you just haven't noticed yet. Poor sod.
No not completely
Yeah... you have.
well armed Liberal
An almost extinct species.
Almost.
Almost.
An almost extinct species.
Your hero, I presume...
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Tyrants and oligarchs mistrust the people, hence they deprive them of arms. --Aristotle
You would.
Hmmmmm...sounds like I've hit a nerve.
GOOD.
Hmmmmm...sounds like I've hit a nerve.
GOOD.
Perhaps his hero is:
(http://www.ak47world.com/feinsteinAK47.jpg)
Very true.
but given you're now just picking this up and on the wrong note reiterates that you haven't been paying attention.
and Liberty is a well armed Liberal contesting the vote.
Try again.
Try again.
Sorry, but no, not as per the current working definition of a "liberal" - perhaps yes if we're talking about someone who's a member of the Australian Liberal Party (i.e., the customary opponents of the Labour Party, which I think should give you a clue as to their basic political philosophy), or liberalism from the time of John Stuart Mill, "an influential British Classical liberal thinker of the 19th century whose works on liberty justified freedom of the individual in opposition to unlimited state control" - that is, someone who would be radically opposed to the connivings of the current crop of liberals in the Whitehouse and in Congress.
An armed American Liberal is a threat to the liberty of everyone around that liberal, not any sort of protection for that liberty.
The Thompson is pretty sweet.
To you? Why waste the effort? Not worth the time. I see your lips moving, but all I hear is, "Blah, blah, blah..."
You're warm.
To you? Why waste the effort? Not worth the time.
I see your lips moving, but all I hear is, "Blah, blah, blah..."
You're warm.
"As Mankind becomes more Liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and Liberality." -George Washington
Yes, I know--I've fired one. Of course, liberals would deny me that right.
I identify most closely with the philosophy of Mill, which is why I laugh my ass off at the current crop of big-government statist hacks who claim to be "liberal", but in reality are anything but.
But back on topic--so would you agree with me that the political left in this country has made a habit over the past, say, quarter-century to turn national tragedy into political points for their agenda or not?
Please provide examples to support your conclusion.
I identify most closely with the philosophy of Mill, which is why I laugh my ass off at the current crop of big-government statist hacks who claim to be "liberal", but in reality are anything but.
But back on topic--so would you agree with me that the political left in this country has made a habit over the past, say, quarter-century to turn national tragedy into political points for their agenda or not?
Please provide examples to support your conclusion.
Hey! I got to fire a Thompson too. At the "unmarked" training facility out at Silver Springs. Sadly, no Tellicherry peppercorns were to be found.
Anyway, glad to see there is a topic for this thread. Wish Nicky would simply answer instead of playing coy.
Quarter-century? Closer to half from where I sit.
Honestly now... Have you ever seen a liberal give a straight up answer on a message board?
I haven't and I've been on various boards for well over a decade now.
And you're a fool, particularly if you think that the "liberalism" George Washington was referring to in the quotation you have in your signature line:
I tried havin a rational adult discussion on the subject and the issues.
You did?
Hard to tell that from many of your posts here.
I saw a lot of ducking and dodging and out-right wordsmithing and nit-picking from your side of the debate.
You have opted to play with semantics rather than give open and honest responses.
Your real name isn't Obama is it?
Then you like so many before you have not been paying attention.
Oh, I get it--we're supposed to "miracle" your intentions out of the screen, otherwise we're just not paying attention. Kind of like how we're not "smrat" enough to understand what you say.
Then again, you really haven't said ANYTHING yet.
Then you like so many before you have not been paying attention.
Guess you haven't picked up that I was intent on making that EXACT distinction.
With all due respect.
My dog respects me, too; for whatever that's worth.
Yeah, but at least with the dog we can rub his nose in it when he shits on the carpet. Nick might yelp and cry when we try that, but he'll still keep shitting on the carpet anyway.
Yet funny how the liberals all seem to have almost word-for-word the same talking points.Hive mind.
...There's a stereotypical leftist right here. That is a fact.
There are stereotypical leftists out there. That is a fact.
...
The main theme of Star Trek:TNG. Except they never really did it.
Like I said, challenge your preconceptions or as we see they will challenge you.
The main theme of Star Trek:TNG. Except they never really did it.
Dude,
you serioulsy need to find a new record to play.
There's a stereotypical leftist right here. That is a fact.
Lemme know when you actually say something worth a shit.
If the stereotype fits...
I gave you gold but you seem to be to dumb and deaf to have realized it.
So be it.
Have a fine Navy Day !!!!
And you seriously need to learn how to spell "ΜΟΛΩΠΛΑΒΕ " correctly.
Seriously...
That's your response?
Seriously that is my response. Bout the only response you rate, but I'm glad to see that you paid attention.
That's progress.
WOW!!!!
What stunning wit you exhibit.
Thank you. Much obliged.
You are legend in your own mind Nick.
It's kinda cute actually.
Poor little would-be Messiah. We here are just too stupid to recognize the "gold" and "wisdom" you attempt to spew at us. Maybe you should try Scientology. Or just start your own cult! Sure, you'll have to hold the had and wipe the nose of every sheep-like follower you manage to attract, but they'll appreciate your obtuseness and obstinacy. Narcissism seems to be your strong suit so I'm sure you'll cope.
Seriously that is my response. Bout the only response you rate, but I'm glad to see that you paid attention.
That's progress.
Poor little would-be Messiah. We here are just too stupid to recognize the "gold" and "wisdom" you attempt to spew at us. Maybe you should try Scientology. Or just start your own cult! Sure, you'll have to hold the had and wipe the nose of every sheep-like follower you manage to attract, but they'll appreciate your obtuseness and obstinacy. Narcissism seems to be your strong suit so I'm sure you'll cope.
Either that or getting a gig as a dictionary editor.
Poor little would-be Messiah. We here are just too stupid to recognize the "gold" and "wisdom" you attempt to spew at us. Maybe you should try Scientology. Or just start your own cult! Sure, you'll have to hold the had and wipe the nose of every sheep-like follower you manage to attract, but they'll appreciate your obtuseness and obstinacy. Narcissism seems to be your strong suit so I'm sure you'll cope.
Either that or getting a gig as a dictionary editor.
Well it's a free country, be as prejudiced and as narrow minded as you wish.
How very gracious of you to admit that.
I don't care for scientology. Thank you though.
Sad part is I don't think some, maybe most of the individuals I've had the pleasure or mispleasure of sparring with are necessarily too stupid to recognize the "gold" and "wisdom" I attempted to spew at them, just too prejudiced and too narrow minded.
Well it's a free country, be as prejudiced and as narrow minded as you wish.
You know...you might not get quite the reaction you do...if you didn't act like such an arrogant prick who believes he is the smartest guy in the room.I guess he's upset about being out-classed by TNO and is vying for the No. 1 slot.
When all you're doing in reality is coming off as the biggest dumb ass on the forum.
I guess he's upset about being out-classed by TNO and is vying for the No. 1 slot.
Sad part is I don't think some, maybe most of the individuals I've had the pleasure or mispleasure of sparring with are necessarily too stupid to recognize the "gold" and "wisdom" I attempted to spew at them, just too prejudiced and too narrow minded.
Well it's a free country, be as prejudiced and as narrow minded as you wish.
I've tried to be civil to him since he's a friend of Thor's. But you're right he's now competing with TNO for the prize of "Most Arrogant Libtard on the Internets".
My civility with him is about done.
And while I've been listening, I still haven't heard you refute the assertion that liberals are far more likely to exploit a tragedy for political gain.
You know...you might not get quite the reaction you do...if you didn't act like such an arrogant prick who believes he is the smartest guy in the room.
Wow. No one falls at your feet to marvel at the profundity of your wisdom and you therefore label them "stupid", "prejudiced", and "too narrow minded"?
Cause ya haven't been listenin.
Ah so some=all is that a fact?
But nothing proving "ALL"
By all means get as mean as you wish.
It's a free country. And I'm used to it anyway.
I simply request logical proof.
If the proof is out there I haven't seen it yet.
Oh I'd be happy to.
Ya ready?
In case this isn't obvious I'm an avowed Liberal. I also happen to be a registered Democrat.
I don't blame Republicans, American Conservatives, or President Bush for........
9/11
Katrina
Columbine
Nor do I see Haiti as a proof of global warming or evidence that we need socialized medicine.
Frankly it's illogical to blame Republicans/American Conservatives for anything as they are a diverse group and blaming anything on a heterogenous demographic is the epitome of senseless.
That makes at least 1 Liberal Democrat out there that isn't inclined to politicize everything as you have insisted otherwise.
the existence of just one (course there are more) pretty much disproves the premise that all Liberals are inclined to politicize everything and/or blame Republicans for everything.
Thank you and have a fine Navy day!!!!
Word to your Mothra!
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Maybe you're not really a liberal.
Maybe you're just a ***** who is too scared of the moniker "conservative".
No I'm definitely a Liberal.
Perhaps a Liberal Conservative but I don't like to call myself a "Conservative" because it makes me feel old.
It took you five days to come up with that retort?
Are you a liberal Democrat?
Forgive me as I am late to the dance, and am going though the thread -- but I think the bolded section is clearly apparent. Liberal democrat? I am guessing no.
Well I am a Liberal and a registered Democrat. Although frankly I'm only a registered Democrat so I can vote in their primaries, since there is no viable Federalist party or old school Democratic-Republican party.
Maybe not an out and out stereotypical Liberal or Democrat but both do apply.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/domestic
Center for American Progress being self-described "liberal democrats." You espouse their views?
I'm not really familiar with all their views. Having perused the provided website, I espouse some of their views others not.
Don't bother, FL--he's not going to give you an answer. He'd rather be an assmunch.
Then you really aren't a liberal democrat -- why make the distinction when moderate or Democrat would suffice? Is it just to get into a semantics debate on the commentary made about "all" liberal democrats?
I'm most definitely a Liberal Democrat.
Whatever helps you through the day.
The liberal democrat thinktank:
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2006/08/katrina_common_good.html/katrina_report.pdf
I think MSB's point has been made.
You can continue to insist that you are indeed a liberal democrat (even though you are unfamiliar with the ramblings of this political designation's leadership), and you do not politicize tragedies, but it is a weak argument on semantics.
And disproven.
Nothing in the definition of either "Liberal" or "Democrat" that even suggests that to be a definitive Liberal and/or Democrat one must be familiar with and embrace "the ramblings of this political designation's supposed leadership." Well, perhaps more so with the term "Democrat" but not "Liberal" which was the focus of Bugs' original thoughtless generalization.
Again -- you can continue to live in a cave (not familiar with John Podesta at all? really? - hell as much as I try to block out the Clinton years, they keep slapping us in the face, rather hard to accomplish but atta boy for claiming you have)
Please do tell who you believe the leadership is of the liberal democrats.
Nope, no real familiarity with John Podesta. I'm sure I can google him, find out what he's been up to, but haven't paid any attention to him.
So in order to recall the Clinton years one must be intricately familiar with the rhetoric of John Podesta?
Honestly I really don't believe there is any definitive leadership.
Keep tryin Spanky. I find this thoroughly amusing.
So speaketh the King of Denial, Nick the Stupid.
ETA: If you really expect us to believe that you don't know about Podesta, you're 1--expecting us to be the most gullible and/or stupid people on earth, 2--in no position to lecture anyone about anything regarding politics, particularly liberalism.
IOW, until you come correct, STFU.
1) You have no idea who John Podesta is -- how old are you?
2) You have no idea who John Podesta is, yet claim there isn't any definitive leadership?
Wow.
Of course you do--ignorance is bliss, which puts you in permanent ecstasy.
Excuse you, I know who the man is, I don't follow his political exploits, I don't care to, and when to comes down to it the subject of John Podesta is irrelevant.
Nope, no real familiarity with John Podesta.
Sure you do junior. :-)
I'm inclined to label someone as "stupid," "prejudiced," and "too narrow minded" for actually believing my MO was to prompt "falling at my feet to marvel at the profundity of my wisdom."
:cheersmate:
Still didn't answer the question...
I don't care.
I've answered my fair share of questions. So at this point if'n someone wants an answer outa me on any subject they best demonstrate how they're worth a response.
Why the hell are you even here?
I don't care.
I've answered my fair share of questions. So at this point if'n someone wants an answer outa me on any subject they best demonstrate how they're worth a response.
I don't care.
I've answered my fair share of questions. So at this point if'n someone wants an answer outa me on any subject they best demonstrate how they're worth a response.
Hey, genius--you haven't answered DICK yet.
Yes, but sailors belong at SEA. If you wanted to sit on your ass in an office for your entire career you should have joined the Air Force.
My husband has been to every shithole on this planet Sparky -- has a chest full of medals. Been there, done that and will be buried at Arlington for his efforts so stick it with the Air Force crap.
Just shows y'ain been payin attention, Dick.
I've answered several of your questions. If I haven't answered enough for ya or haven't answered them to your satisfaction, oh well guess you'll just have ta put on the big girl panties and get over it.
Thank you and have a fine Navy day !!!
But back on topic--so would you agree with me that the political left in this country has made a habit over the past, say, quarter-century to turn national tragedy into political points for their agenda or not?
Please provide examples to support your conclusion.
I don't see why not, regarding the generalization I challenged earlier I submitted evidence disproving it.
But anyway regarding my observation I suppose, we'll have to agree to disagree as I've presented the most compelling evidence to support it.
I've missed most of this thread, but did catch this reply. And here is my response:
You're incredibly stupid. I've observed that in this thread. I have evidence in this thread to support it - compelling evidence at that.
You owe me evidence of 7 Billion people who want to control others.
You've offered nothing by hypothesis and opinion, and a lot of dodging.
You owe me evidence of 7 Billion people who want to control others.
Yes, but sailors belong at SEA. If you wanted to sit on your ass in an office for your entire career you should have joined the Air Force.
My husband has been to every shithole on this planet Sparky -- has a chest full of medals. Been there, done that and will be buried at Arlington for his efforts so stick it with the Air Force crap.
Formerlurker, this wasn't a slam on your husband, per se, but a statement reflecting the interservice rivalry that exists amongst those of us who have served in one of the branches of the military.
Evidence that reflects less upon me and more upon you, my friend.
I gave you my evidence/reasoning you chose not to agree. I really couldn't prove 7 billion anyway. There aren't that many people on planet Terra to date.
I had quite clearly stated that I offered you opinion and hypothesis in those words exactly. I made no pretense I was offering anything else, and was quite upfront with my reasoning at that.
If this is your "evidence," in my opinion (so as not to confuse you again), it is weak at best.
Thanks for the chat. Was a pleasure.
OK, fine, you big baby.
I'm adding this to my last you want evidence so badly, and if this does not satisfy you well than you can kiss my left testicle because this is my last statement on the subject. Capisce?
First off the only reason you are so on this is because you ignorantly believe my statement :"All people are naturally inclined to impose their beliefs on others" is of the same caliber as the partisan generalization: "All Liberals do politicize national tragedies." I guess you aren't an English major if you can't pick up on the damned difference. Neither am I, but I've got one up on you. Let me clarify this for you and I'll try to use small words. I made an observation regarding attitudes that may or may not be acted upon. With me so far? "All Liberals do...." isn't just an observation of attitude but of behavior, behavior specific to a distinct, but diverse, group of people. See the difference? Inclination (http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/inclination) versus action (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/action).
Well, at least you didn't tell her to lighten up.... :-)
Meh. She'll be mad at me for a while, then we'll get over it. Hey, I've been to a lot of those shitholes, didn't get the fruit salad for it (because we weren't there, wink wink), and because I didn't retire or get a significant medal, am not eligible for burial at Arlington, but it's all good.
But even you have to admit, FL, that the cush factor is pretty high in the AF compared to the other services.
Meh. She'll be mad at me for a while, then we'll get over it. Hey, I've been to a lot of those shitholes, didn't get the fruit salad for it (because we weren't there, wink wink), and because I didn't retire or get a significant medal, am not eligible for burial at Arlington, but it's all good.
But even you have to admit, FL, that the cush factor is pretty high in the AF compared to the other services.
The pissing match between the services is not anything I can understand.
Sparky my husband was in Spec Ops for a considerable time and flew for a living - he has been places he had to wear a black sheet over his head when they landed so no one could identify them. There is a saying in special ops - we don't win wars, we prevent them. There are no accolades or medals for the stuff they do.
He will be buried in Arlington because he qualifies and deserves it. Counting the military academy he has given his entire adult life to service, and not behind a desk (although I applaud and respect those who has done this for our country also).
The pissing match between the services is not anything I can understand.
And when you consider the working conditions of Air Force versus Navy, who admittedly have it better than our Army and Marine counterparts, yeah, I think I can safely say the AF has it pretty ****in cush.
I can safely say that us Sailors had it a little more "cush" than our USAF counterparts during Desert Shield/ Storm. At least that's what I noticed when we were shore based during Desert Shield.
Sleeping in outside in -20 snow storms sux.
(http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs200.snc3/20767_107934525884879_100000049955786_206379_1186304_n.jpg)When I first made it to Germany we slept in our tracked vehicles. They had space heaters but some dumbass left his on all night with the hatches closed and died of carbon monoxide poisoning. So then we were ordered to sleep outside the tracks.
Living quarters in the south pole -- not exactly four star, but not a tent.
My husband however has done the tent life in the sand box and Africa too many times to count (of course his tent had air conditioning....... :-))