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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on January 15, 2010, 09:55:45 AM
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THIS scared:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Congressional Democrats are "very close" to reaching final agreement on healthcare reform legislation and could have a deal in days, House of Representatives Democratic Leader Steny Hoyer said on Friday.
"I would certainly hope that within the next 24, 48, 72 hours, that we have a general agreement between the Senate and the House," Hoyer said in an interview with U.S. cable network CNBC.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100115/ts_nm/us_usa_healthcare_hoyer
On a Just-Not-Getting-It scale of 1 to 10 this goes to 87. The dems know this bill is the reason Dead Ted the Ladykiller's seat is going to a republican. The people be damned they want their 15% of the US economy (Jesus only wanted 10%) and they aren't going to let a bunch proles stand in their way. If tehy have to sacrifice 40 some-odd seats come January 2011 then so be it because their power over 60% of the population on subsidized healthcare will be realized. The political machine politicians, the corrupt of the corrupt, will keep their seats and if the blue dogs suffer at the hands of red state voters then so be it. It'll only be 2 to 3 election cycles away from that 60% come bowing and scraping like Oliver Twist begging for more.
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Elsewhere , in "flyover" country, "D" Senators and Reps have been told, pass health rationing, find another job. Given the last twoGov races, they're thinking. And there's just so much the Alinsky Deciple can offer that's worth a lifetime sitting with a part part time job that pays a BIG TIME salery, 747 Health insurrance, 747 retirement plan, multi million dollar staffing salery on the taxpayer, a private fuel dump, the cheapest food cafeteria on earth, free offices, private jet for the cost of of COACH AIRFARE, and on and on and on. His ability to delever is becoming very very "iffy".
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A Scott Brown win will start a tsunami that will wash out our political beach of Obama's trash and debris.
God, please forgive me for not praying in the past...but I am praying hard now for a GOP win in Massachusetts on Tuesday, that will bode well for YOU and US...Amen.... :
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A Scott Brown win will start a tsunami that will wash out our political beach of Obama's trash and debris.
God, please forgive me for not praying in the past...but I am praying hard now for a GOP win in Massachusetts on Tuesday, that will bode well for YOU and US...Amen.... :
Well put. :-)
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They are in full panic mode over it, but they really still don't get it. They OUGHT to be in full panic mode over the bare fact that it's close at all instead of a 30 point blowout for their girl on her way to a coronation, THAT's how much they don't get it.
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Let's see..
Dems have incumbancy
Dems have SEIU
Dems have ACORN
Dems have a hold on much of the state politics
Brown has... a majority of voters (per polls).
Who do YOU think should be scared? (HINT: it isn't the DEMS)
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Elsewhere , in "flyover" country, "D" Senators and Reps have been told, pass health rationing, find another job. Given the last twoGov races, they're thinking. And there's just so much the Alinsky Deciple can offer that's worth a lifetime sitting with a part part time job that pays a BIG TIME salery, 747 Health insurrance, 747 retirement plan, multi million dollar staffing salery on the taxpayer, a private fuel dump, the cheapest food cafeteria on earth, free offices, private jet for the cost of of COACH AIRFARE, and on and on and on. His ability to delever is becoming very very "iffy".
God, now you've got me wanting to run for federal office! :-)
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I did my civic duty and watched Hardball. Shepard Smith sux. I wanted to see how they viewed the poll numbers. Doom and gloom is the mood of the day.
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Let's see..
Dems have incumbancy
Dems have SEIU
Dems have ACORN
Dems have a hold on much of the state politics
Brown has... a majority of voters (per polls).
Who do YOU think should be scared? (HINT: it isn't the DEMS)
The police unions in MA are a part of SEIU. They have all endorsed Brown. They have showed at his stand outs with SEIU shirts on -- except they are holding his signs.
SEIU may come into the Commonwealth, but their bullshit tactics won't play here -- the AG may be dirty, but the cops are for Brown. :-)
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latest poll likley voters... Brown up by 9% points. Hear's hoping it holds when then the voting booths close.
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I did my civic duty and watched Hardball. Shepard Smith sux. I wanted to see how they viewed the poll numbers. Doom and gloom is the mood of the day.
God bless you! I hope you don't have to take too many showers/baths to start feeling like a decent human-being again after that little roll in the muck.
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I did my civic duty and watched Hardball. Shepard Smith sux. I wanted to see how they viewed the poll numbers. Doom and gloom is the mood of the day.
Bob Beckel, liberal commentator, looked like he was going to a funeral on Hannity tonight. Funny to watch a liberal so despondent; all those folks that voted for hope and change are having buyer's remorse.
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Their're scared as they should be with a giant tsunami coming full force at them... :tongue:
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Bob Beckel, liberal commentator, looked like he was going to a funeral on Hannity tonight. Funny to watch a liberal so despondent; all those folks that voted for hope and change are having buyer's remorse.
LOL I LOVED it. He has been an absolute puke and it was rather sweet. He couldn't help himself though, he has to insult the "teabaggers" yet again though.
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Let's see..
Dems have incumbancy
Dems have SEIU
Dems have ACORN
Dems have a hold on much of the state politics
Brown has... a majority of voters (per polls).
Who do YOU think should be scared? (HINT: it isn't the DEMS)
Hi,
I am not scared, if they steal the election, the point was made and many democrats should get the message. We are no worse off than we were before the election.
regards,
5412
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Hi,
I am not scared, if they steal the election, the point was made and many democrats should get the message. We are no worse off than we were before the election.
regards,
5412
I agree. The fact that there was even a contested race in Massachusetts will leave many DimRats in purple states very worried. The townhalls of last summer are not that far in the past.
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Hi,
I am not scared, if they steal the election, the point was made and many democrats should get the message. We are no worse off than we were before the election.
regards,
5412
Only point or message delivered: stealing elections cements power.
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Appears that Scott won, and 22% of Dem's voted FOR SCOTT............AND THE BEAT GOES ON.
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Brown's victory will not curb Obama and liberal Democrats desire to push health care through by hook or crook. The moderate Democrats and those from red states are in deep doo doo. They will wind up being sacrificial lambs. If health care is ramed down our throats, I look for the Repubs to take over the House and win 10 Senate seats in Nov.
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...I look for the Repubs to take over the House and win 10 Senate seats in Nov.
Almost entirely dependent upon Steele and the rest of the asshats in the RNC pulling their heads out of their collective(ist) asses and fronting candidates that aren't just as marxist as the Marxists are running.
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Let's see..
Dems have incumbancy
Dems have SEIU
Dems have ACORN
Dems have a hold on much of the state politics
Brown has... a majority of voters (per polls).
Who do YOU think should be scared? (HINT: it isn't the DEMS)
And today you say.....?
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Almost entirely dependent upon Steele and the rest of the asshats in the RNC pulling their heads out of their collective(ist) asses and fronting candidates that aren't just as marxist as the Marxists are running.
People seem to have hard-ons for the GOP all of a sudden... And while preaching about not repeating (more distant) history, are doomed do just that with the "we must elect the GOP" attitudes that are floating around. Makes me laugh.
Screw the GOP. Elect Consrevatives.
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And today you say.....?
I say I am pleasently surprised... Key word being surprised.
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People seem to have hard-ons for the GOP all of a sudden... And while preaching about not repeating (more distant) history, are doomed do just that with the "we must elect the GOP" attitudes that are floating around. Makes me laugh.
Screw the GOP. Elect Consrevatives.
bkg,
I think everyone's getting it wrong. You know what I think the most powerful political party in the country is right now? The Tea Party. Second? Independent. The MSM is missing it completely, as are the White House, and, to a lesser extent, Michael Steele.
Don't worry. The country is fed up with BOTH. NY-23 is an example of that. GOP? Democrat? Don't think it matters that much any more. If it did, 23 percent of Dems wouldn't have crossed over to vote for Brown.
At least, that's how I'm reading the results. I'd love to see some decent primary challenges for some of the more egregious RINOs this summer.
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bkg,
I think everyone's getting it wrong. You know what I think the most powerful political party in the country is right now? The Tea Party. Second? Independent. The MSM is missing it completely, as are the White House, and, to a lesser extent, Michael Steele.
Don't worry. The country is fed up with BOTH. NY-23 is an example of that. GOP? Democrat? Don't think it matters that much any more. If it did, 23 percent of Dems wouldn't have crossed over to vote for Brown.
At least, that's how I'm reading the results. I'd love to see some decent primary challenges for some of the more egregious RINOs this summer.
The win for Brown could just as easily be looked at as a vote against the status quo in DC. Coakley seemed like just another party player.
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Correct Splashdown. the "R"'s failings are staying "R"'s AFTER they go to Washington. They seem to forget that the "D"'s see politics as unrestricted warfare, no rules, destroy the opposition and WIN! So the "R"'s try and play nice, foolishly think that the honorarium "My FRIEND across the aisle" is actually a "friend". Nlo, it is your political enemy looking to stick a knife in ANY chink in your armor. This is usually acomplished by getting the nitwits to vote RINO, and then the "R" base won't vote for them any more.
Alternately, the "D"'s don't revolt until you have an UTTERLY incompetent candidate who agrees to a Marxist agenda!!!
Hope Scott realizes the fight has JUST BEGUN, and he must stay true to his principles!
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Exactly!
And Splashdown, that was my point on another thread...good on YOU!
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Michelle Malken says much the same thing as bkg:
January 19 was an amazing day for grass-roots conservatism. But the Beltway GOP should be warned against unjustified triumphalism. They were late to the game. Activists still haven’t, and won’t, forget the massive amounts of money Washington, D.C. Republicans wasted on Dede Scozzafava. And Scott Brown quite noticeably didn’t mention the word “Republican†once during his prepared remarks.
The GOP brand is still damaged. And instant exploitation of the Brown win — see the NRSC website here — isn’t going to help matters. As I’ve said for many years, the Republican Party needs to clean its own house before it demands that the Democrats clean theirs
The Brown victory was very clearly a strike against machine politics of all kinds and business as usual in Washington. That includes top-down meddling by tired old GOP operatives. The party bosses have tried to install their preferred Senate candidates in Florida, Colorado, and California. They will use Brown’s win to argue for more “mooooooderation.†As I wrote yesterday in my analysis of how Brown unified a center-right-indie coalition, that is not the lesson of the Massachusetts miracle
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link (http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/20/seeing-red-graphic-of-the-night-and-a-cautionary-note-for-the-gop/)
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Well, the GOP won. What are the Dems gonn do ater they've wiped the egg off their faces...
heh heh heh ... :tongue:
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Michelle Malken says much the same thing as bkg:
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link (http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/20/seeing-red-graphic-of-the-night-and-a-cautionary-note-for-the-gop/)
Yes/No. I completely agree with her. I'm just not sure Brown is a full-on Conservative, or just ran as one. As noted on this forum, he supported Mass' health insurance mandates.
This shows CAMPAIGNING as a conservative helped him win... I'll reserve judgement on whether or not he really IS a conservative until after he makes a few votes...
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Yes/No. I completely agree with her. I'm just not sure Brown is a full-on Conservative, or just ran as one. As noted on this forum, he supported Mass' health insurance mandates.
This shows CAMPAIGNING as a conservative helped him win... I'll reserve judgement on whether or not he really IS a conservative until after he makes a few votes...
Scott Brown votes with the Republicans (all 16 of them) in the statehouse -- always. He is the 41st vote. That is really all you need to know.
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Scott Brown votes with the Republicans (all 16 of them) in the statehouse -- always. He is the 41st vote. That is really all you need to know.
Whoa... that's where we part ways. If all I need to know is that he alwasy votes republican (taking your word for it), then how the fawk do we know if he's the conservative that he campaigned as?
Why is this conversation bugging so many of you? Seriously... it's not personal; I'm happy with the election results... I'm just challenging the idea that GOP=conservative... If he just "tows the line," then we're fawked. If he's a conservative, and someone who will NOT tow the line, then we're in much better shape. We won't know that for months.
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Whoa... that's where we part ways. If all I need to know is that he alwasy votes republican (taking your word for it), then how the fawk do we know if he's the conservative that he campaigned as?
Why is this conversation bugging so many of you? Seriously... it's not personal; I'm happy with the election results... I'm just challenging the idea that GOP=conservative... If he just "tows the line," then we're fawked. If he's a conservative, and someone who will NOT tow the line, then we're in much better shape. We won't know that for months.
He is the 41st vote against the super majority. Really the most important characteristic we need from him right now.
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Whoa... that's where we part ways. If all I need to know is that he alwasy votes republican (taking your word for it), then how the fawk do we know if he's the conservative that he campaigned as?
Why is this conversation bugging so many of you? Seriously... it's not personal; I'm happy with the election results... I'm just challenging the idea that GOP=conservative... If he just "tows the line," then we're fawked. If he's a conservative, and someone who will NOT tow the line, then we're in much better shape. We won't know that for months.
I am going to give him a chance and take him at his word. Seems like you have problem with that.
As much I would like the Congress to move far right of center, it is not going to happen. Obama and the democrats tilted too far to the left. That is why Brown won and that is why they are going to get stomped in 2010. Independents determine races in most cases. They do not want extreme positions on either side. If you do not understand that, I can not help you.
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I am going to give him a chance and take him at his word. Seems like you have problem with that.
Please see all of the posts I've already made where I said we'll have to watch his record. Hopefully his word will ring true.
As much I would like the Congress to move far right of center, it is not going to happen. Obama and the democrats tilted too far to the left. That is why Brown won and that is why they are going to get stomped in 2010. Independents determine races in most cases. They do not want extreme positions on either side. If you do not understand that, I can not help you.
Not sure where I stated that independents do like extreme positions? You'll have to dig that one up if I did - don't recall it. But let's take that to it's next step - if the majority of the votors who helped elect Brown were the independents... then why would the GOP go to the right? Why not stay right where they are - in the middle?
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Please see all of the posts I've already made where I said we'll have to watch his record. Hopefully his word will ring true.
Not sure where I stated that independents do like extreme positions? You'll have to dig that one up if I did - don't recall it. But let's take that to it's next step - if the majority of the votors who helped elect Brown were the independents... then why would the GOP go to the right? Why not stay right where they are - in the middle?
MA voters voted to go to the right of where Coakley/Obama is which is far left. The GOP needs to get their act together and run on fiscal responsibility, smaller government, lower taxes and common sense health care reform. You don't think that was the policy of the Bush Administration for 8 years do you? I am looking at the big picture rather than a narrow view of one state's election.
Repubs need to focus on the wins in the last 3 elections so that they can duplicate them in 2010. BTW, I never stated that you said that independents like extreme positions. You will have to dig that one up .
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MA voters voted to go to the right of where Coakley/Obama is which is far left. The GOP needs to get their act together and run on fiscal responsibility, smaller government, lower taxes and common sense health care reform. You don't think that was the policy of the Bush Administration for 8 years do you? I am looking at the big picture rather than a narrow view of one state's election.
Repubs need to focus on the wins in the last 3 elections so that they can duplicate them in 2010. BTW, I never stated that you said that independents like extreme positions. You will have to dig that one up .
Absolutely correct (and right, too). That is what Brown ran on, basically, and that is what got him from virtual unknown to kingslayer in a month's time.
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Cynicism has its value but is best used in small quantities.
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MA voters voted to go to the right of where Coakley/Obama is which is far left. The GOP needs to get their act together and run on fiscal responsibility, smaller government, lower taxes and common sense health care reform. You don't think that was the policy of the Bush Administration for 8 years do you? I am looking at the big picture rather than a narrow view of one state's election.
Repubs need to focus on the wins in the last 3 elections so that they can duplicate them in 2010. BTW, I never stated that you said that independents like extreme positions. You will have to dig that one up .
Hi,
I think it is fair to mention that Brown is on a short leash also. I think he serves the remainder of the Kennedy term which means he should come up in 2012. Kerry was elected in 2008 so he figures he is sitting pretty at this point.
regards,
5412
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Hi,
I think it is fair to mention that Brown is on a short leash also. I think he serves the remainder of the Kennedy term which means he should come up in 2012. Kerry was elected in 2008 so he figures he is sitting pretty at this point.
regards,
5412
Excellent point. So it begs the question - will Brown make waves or will he blend in? I think the fact that he won at all is an indication that he MUST make waves... but is there a line to balance in preparation for 2012?
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Excellent point. So it begs the question - will Brown make waves or will he blend in? I think the fact that he won at all is an indication that he MUST make waves... but is there a line to balance in preparation for 2012?
Brown represents the people and interests of "Massachusettes" [sic], not national interests. He only has to answer to his voters. Holding him to any other sort of standard probably isn't fair. It suffices for me that he is the vote that insures a fillibuster threat if necessary.
He's considerably more conservative than my two Pennsylvania senators, so for the first time in my life I'm jealous of the Massachussetts delegation.
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Excellent point. So it begs the question - will Brown make waves or will he blend in? I think the fact that he won at all is an indication that he MUST make waves... but is there a line to balance in preparation for 2012?
He will blend in and vote on what got him elected. That being a resounding no to health care, strong defense and fiscal responsibility. FYI, Freshman Senators do not make waves. They have to learn the ropes (Senate rules and protocol), and they wind up getting the least plum committie positions.
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He will blend in and vote on what got him elected. That being a resounding no to health care, strong defense and fiscal responsibility. FYI, Freshman Senators do not make waves. They have to learn the ropes (Senate rules and protocol), and they wind up getting the least plum committie positions.
Hope you're right, but I can't rest on that assumption. Again, hope you're right.
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You know, McCain's starting to act like a "R" again...and Brown saw him first today. Hope this bodes well for the man and conservativeism.
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What's that I hear running up - or down- Chris Mathews legs now?! LOL
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Excellent point. So it begs the question - will Brown make waves or will he blend in? I think the fact that he won at all is an indication that he MUST make waves... but is there a line to balance in preparation for 2012?
Hi,
If Brown is smart he will vote conservative and he will be very vocal in MA as to why he has done so to appeal to the people, not just the unions. He would do well to offer an amendment or two on some issues that may well get killed in committee; particularly if the amendment makes sense. For example, if the health bill comes up, he should take a strong position that it should apply to congress as well, things like that which are wildly popular and no-brainers.
regards,
5412
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right 5412, and he should avoid becoming irrevokable attached to any "populist" thinking. AND reread Sun Tzu as if he were now the Emperor, especially that part about paying your spies very well.
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I suspect that within 6 months that Brown will be a GOP puppet.
I hope I am wrong, but it seems to happen all too often once one reaches Capitol Hill.