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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on December 19, 2009, 07:40:58 AM
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Oh my.
The gigantic primitive:
Ege Bamyasi
December 18, 2009
bunsofaluminum, thanks for stopping in and saying hello. The Mucinex is helping, sorta, but this is turning into one of those things like I used to have a lot in my teens and 20s, where a cough would set in and not go away for months. I'm going to just have to try my best to live my life around it, I suppose. I have no option for seeing a doctor, and most of the time I'm not prescribed antibiotics for these as they're not bacterial in nature. The best I could hope for would be a bottle of Robitussin with codeine, and as I've stated already I've had more than enough of narcotic pain medicine.
WeeSpeck, I had no idea you're just now starting on my journal! Thanks for taking the time to read through all of this verbosity of mine, though! I need to post so much at this point that I've wanted to discuss but haven't due to time constraints, or my leave of absence from the forums in November, or now this cough thing which puts me in bed for well over half of each day even though I'd rather be anywhere else. What makes me happy, though, is knowing that so many others can gain inspiration from my battle for renewed health. I'm winning, slowly, but the weight is being bugger-all about coming off even with tighter adherence to MWL, probably because I'm moving so little right now. This coming Sunday I'll post my last few weigh-ins. It's just more of the same gain a few, lose a few, but the important thing here is that if I had a SAD approach to this right now, I'd be gaining weight like crazy, and I'm not. I'm not losing like I want to now, but as I'll post below I now have access to all the exercise I'll ever need as soon as my breathing will allow it.
after which a big photograph of the gigantic primitive playing on his stationary bicycle
Hey, check me out! I finally tried to get on this machine, with Jeanette present to help in case things went wrong, despite having no available footwear. Being down close to 50 lbs. it wasn't hard at all! I went ahead and turned up the tension to a moderate setting and did a slow but steady introductory kilometer (didn't bother setting it to miles instead yet) in about 3 minutes 20 seconds. It felt nice, but as I started to breathe a bit harder the coughing spasms started up again so I had to quit.
I'm going to be getting on the thing as much as I possibly can starting tomorrow when Jeanette goes back to work. I'll probably just do little 5 minute stints at first for now, centering my workouts around how I'm breathing and whether the cough is harassing me or not. Eventually I plan to log some serious time on this thing. I've got more than enough motivational music to pick from, and I love pedaling!
Question. One can only speculate, but why does one suppose the gigantic primitive wraps up his legs like they're in casts for broken bones?
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Oh my.
The gigantic primitive:
Question. One can only speculate, but why does one suppose the gigantic primitive wraps up his legs like they're in casts for broken bones?
So they don't explode when he stands up? :clueless:
But seriously, he should be wearing some kind of shoes if he's going to ride that bike. But maybe the effort of putting them on for an "introductory kilometer" wasn't worth it.
I will say that he's not as hideous looking as I was expecting.
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I will say that he's not as hideous looking as I was expecting.
Yeah, I too was surprised at that.
Put long pants and shoes on him, and he's presentable for job interviews.
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Notice what is in the lower right corner...looks like a salsa jar and a relish bottle.
Since I doubt this thing was set up in the kitchen one suspects that food is never far away from him.
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Notice what is in the lower right corner...looks like a salsa jar and a relish bottle.
Since I doubt this thing was set up in the kitchen one suspects that food is never far away from him.
Damn, you got good eyes, Carl, sir.
I was paying more attention to the wrappings around the legs, that I didn't even notice the food in the corner. Within arm's reach, even.
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The last post on the thing from yesterday...
dawsonpam01 Post subject: Re: Ege Bamyasi and His Journey to Regain His Life
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:28 pm
Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:03 pm
Posts: 6 Wow Kirk
WAY to go!
your legs look better too. I hope they are!
A quick search brought this..
http://drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14471
Thank you Kirk,
I found you in a round about way through DU but also that site that is hateful as we are both up for "awards" I won't waste time talking about it here, but pm me if you want
I took time Monday to read all of your blog, and my heart went out to you but also wanted to really say you are awesome for sticking with things even when the outlook seems bleak!
:rotf:
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I think that the legs might be in some sort of special socks for diabetics. Something that improves the circulation, so as not to deprive the toes of enough blood.
He is rather large. I also noticed the fan, and that it seemed to be blowing in the direction of the salsa that Carl noted in the pic . . .
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The last post on the thing from yesterday...
A quick search brought this..
http://drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14471
:rotf:
GREAT find, Carl!
Damn.
The greenbriar primitive's on to us.
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http://drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11960&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=540&sid=b8d12979368652c6bfabb41ce45e1af3
Oh my.
The gigantic primitive:
Question. One can only speculate, but why does one suppose the gigantic primitive wraps up his legs like they're in casts for broken bones?
I think that they're some sort of orthopedic socks to stimulate blood circulation.
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If he adds in some dumbbells to his workout to work the upper body, he could have a nice little workout routine going. 5 minutes or so on the bike alternated with various other exercises with the dumbbells. I'm glad he no longer has an excuse to not work out, though it seems like he may be building his cough into an excuse.
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Yes, those are anti-embolism stockings to help prevent blood clots in the leg. Either the valves in his veins are wrecked or he spends so much time laid up in bed he runs the risk of blood pooling and forming thrombi.
I don't know what his problem is with the shoes. You can find comfortable protective diabetic slippers on the net for around 50 bucks, even for large or swollen feet. Conversely, he could just pad the pedals of the exercise machine. He seems to find a lot of excuses not to exercise. I do too, but then I'm not facing the apparent health problems he is.
If you want to exercise, you can do it, and you don't need any expensive equipment.
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Wow.
The greenbriar primitive's husband is only 5'5" but weighs 270 pounds?
Suppose this is another one of her fantasies?
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Wow.
The greenbriar primitive's husband is only 5'5" but weighs 270 pounds?
Suppose this is another one of her fantasies?
She didn`t waste any time telling about her illness and taking a shot at her husband.
Wonder how long before she starts posting about her baubles of wealth.
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Hey Kirk,
If you happen to drop by this thread, just remember we want you to succeed and even be able to find a job and become a contributing taxpaying member of society. You would deserve the accolades you recieve for that. Even if you are a DUmmie. =o)
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I don't know what his problem is with the shoes. You can find comfortable protective diabetic slippers on the net for around 50 bucks, even for large or swollen feet.
It doesn't look like it in the picture, but he claims to have these enormous paddle feet, like size 14FFFFFF, or something like that.
And he also claims to have these oozing ulcers all over his legs. What a guy.
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Wow.
The greenbriar primitive's husband is only 5'5" but weighs 270 pounds?
Suppose this is another one of her fantasies?
Without a doubt. Greenbriar's dishonesty is outstripped only by her stupidity, since she forgets that she has shown us pictures of the whole family, except of course, the imaginary alcoholic in the basement. She's even shown us pictures of Holli's prom date, and the bartender she wanted to screw on the cruise ship. Her husband, the allegedly violent, bald, allegedly drunken Mark, has severe faults, after all, he lives with greenbriar, but morbid obesity isn't among them.
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Yeah, I too was surprised at that.
Put long pants and shoes on him, and he's presentable for job interviews.
There is no doubt he is large and I know that there can be debilitating physical issues either by genetics or poor luck but somehow I don`t see a person that should be bedridden as he claims.
We all know folks that are as large as that and while not healthy to be obese they do get out and do things in a productive society.
I wish Kirk well in shedding ALL his demons but deep down I don`t think he will.
On edit...
Kirk if you do read this at Pams direction know one thing.
Even though we differ politically you could find true support here,it may not be a pat on the back and someone telling you everything is okay but you would find folks that want you to succeed and not wallow in a morass.
Give it some thought.
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It doesn't look like it in the picture, but he claims to have these enormous paddle feet, like size 14FFFFFF, or something like that.
And he also claims to have these oozing ulcers all over his legs. What a guy.
Sounds very attractive. *shudder*
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Sounds very attractive. *shudder*
Even worse, can you even imagine how bad this guy must smell?
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Amazing. greenbriar, on death's door, weighs about 95 pounds, is too weak to even TRY to feed herself, talking about a feeding tube because she's in such dire straights but has the strength to chit chat on another forum.
IT'S A MIRACLE !!!!! :rotf:
She even has enough energy to take a nasty swipe at hubby. I do believe she's on the road to recovery.
Now she can get one of those y**** spiral hams she's always bragging about. That'll put some weight on ! Hubby gets v****** only.
The big dood now has someone he can suck sympathy from. Frankly, not to be mean, I have none for him. He sounds lazy and full of self pity.
I will however, give some advice. Get yourself some weight loss hypnosis CDs. They work, you don't, give them a try. They have a money back guarantee if they don't produce results.
Another thing, you need to go OUTSIDE and get yourself some sunshine. Or get yourself in front of a window with sunshine. 15 mins. a day. It will make you feel better.
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Amazing. greenbriar, on death's door, weighs about 95 pounds, is too weak to even TRY to feed herself, talking about a feeding tube because she's in such dire straights but has the strength to chit chat on another forum.
IT'S A MIRACLE !!!!! :rotf:
She even has enough energy to take a nasty swipe at hubby. I do believe she's on the road to recovery.
Now she can get one of those y**** spiral hams she's always bragging about. That'll put some weight on ! Hubby gets v****** only.
The big dood now has someone he can suck sympathy from. Frankly, not to be mean, I have none for him. He sounds lazy and full of self pity.
I will however, give some advice. Get yourself some weight loss hypnosis CDs. They work, you don't, give them a try. They have a money back guarantee if they don't produce results.
Another thing, you need to go OUTSIDE and get yourself some sunshine. Or get yourself in front of a window with sunshine. 15 mins. a day. It will make you feel better.
I think the blimp needs to get together with that DUmmy who was whittling on himself with an X-acto knife to avoid a doctor bill. If blimpo could fix that guy up with a bigger blade, and a garbage can lined with a trash bag, he could get rid of a lot of ugly fat very quickly.
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I for one am impressed.
Hats off to the manufacturer.
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Another update from the gigantic primitive:
Ege Bamyasi
December 19, 2009
Raven, I plan on logging lots of virtual miles in the coming year. I got my start today, and already that old addiction I have to mass pedaling is reasserting itself.
Barb, Thank you for making your first post in my journal! I hope you'll post again and tell us a bit about yourself. I hope you've been inspired by the many awesome journals on this forum!
bunsofaluminum -- yes I am. Finally! I wish I would have had the gumption to do this last month. It might have really helped with the funk I fell into. But no matter, what counts is that I'm getting into the recumbent thing now.
dawsonpam01, thank you. Yes, my legs are both much less swollen than they used to be, and the wounds on the left leg and foot are continuing to heal far faster than I ever would have thought possible, given that I'm not getting any form of "professional" treatment at this point. I think my new ability to really exercise is going to get me off this weight plateau too.
Well, today I took the plunge and started exercising on the recumbent in earnest. I've already done two stints on it, totaling 13 minutes, today. I have to start out slow because since cracked and bleeding skin in tender areas put the kibosh on my marching-in-place regimen, I've not been doing as much as I've wanted to. Also, I'm still coughing like crazy. Funny thing, though, is that when I'm on the bike and exerting myself I find I'm coughing less! It's worked that way both times so far, and now that I'm here trying to update my own journal and visit everyone else's, I'm struggling not to hack and my cough-induced headache is creeping back. More time in bed for me soon that I'd rather not spend. Yippee.
In other news, Jeanette was out shopping yesterday and she picked up a bunch of cans of diced tomatoes from Trader Joe's, so we can make a huge stockpot of awesome tomato sauce. It's just as good over potatoes or rice as it is over pasta, so Jeanette and I decided there was no point in diverging from our present plan of sticking to a mainly two-starch MWL variant. Sadly, the cans of tomatoes without added salt weren't available in the large size, and the smaller ones would have been very expensive; however, the tomatoes she chose have less than 2,000 mg of salt per large can. Since we don't use salt in our cooking except for Bragg's, which is a low sodium soy sauce variant which we'd never pair up with the sauce anyway, the sodium in the tomatoes isn't such a huge deal.
I will be tracking my exercise over on Letha's McDougall Talk forum, mostly because that board has a font available which lends itself very nicely to setting up an easy-to-read data table. I will probably post weekly summaries here as well, but trying to juggle both forums is rather time consuming.
I'm really, really set on getting under 378 lbs. as soon as possible. That will put me at the lightest weight I've seen since being with Jeanette. I initially wanted to do that this year, but circumstances and bad decisions on my part have made that impossible. It should still be doable by my 41st birthday in March, though, especially with the use of the recumbent!
I hope you've all been having a good day, and a relatively stress free run-up to the Christmas holiday.
A merry Christmas to the gigantic primitive, and go! go! go!
Get that weight down to 378, which makes one even more employable than 400.
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Sounds like they're going to make a punch bowl of chip dip. Must be movie and nookie night.
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May primitivis gigantus achieve his first goal of 378. :cheersmate:
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I wonder if Jeanette shops at one of those dent & scratch stores? hhmmm
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May primitivis gigantus achieve his first goal of 378.
It will never happen. To get to the point of simple obesity, he needs to lose 200 pounds. A pound of fat is 3500 calories, so he needs to generate a deficit between his diet and the calories burned in exercise of 700,000 calories. He calls 13 minutes on the recumbent bike a workout. At the resistance level he likely runs, he burns no more than 5 calories a minute unless he's pedalling like a bat out of hell. So his workout was less than 100 calories. And then he celebrates with a stockpot full of tomatoes and potatoes. And he isn't counting the bags of Cheetos he scarfs down during his all-day computger game sessions. The blimp will fall over dead with orange fingers on his controller.
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There is no doubt he is large and I know that there can be debilitating physical issues either by genetics or poor luck but somehow I don`t see a person that should be bedridden as he claims.
We all know folks that are as large as that and while not healthy to be obese they do get out and do things in a productive society.
I wish Kirk well in shedding ALL his demons but deep down I don`t think he will.
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Kirk if you do read this at Pams direction know one thing.
Even though we differ politically you could find true support here,it may not be a pat on the back and someone telling you everything is okay but you would find folks that want you to succeed and not wallow in a morass.
Give it some thought.
To be honest, I have worked with a pretty fair amount of people who are that large. IT, software design, etc., does not require extreme fitness. Kirk, get off your ass and get a job.
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Sounds like they're going to make a punch bowl of chip dip. Must be movie and nookie night.
I don't want to even imagine the logistics involved in that.
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There is no doubt he is large and I know that there can be debilitating physical issues either by genetics or poor luck but somehow I don`t see a person that should be bedridden as he claims.
We all know folks that are as large as that and while not healthy to be obese they do get out and do things in a productive society.
I wish Kirk well in shedding ALL his demons but deep down I don`t think he will.
On edit...
Kirk if you do read this at Pams direction know one thing.
Even though we differ politically you could find true support here,it may not be a pat on the back and someone telling you everything is okay but you would find folks that want you to succeed and not wallow in a morass.
Give it some thought.
This guy is nothing but a big fat lazy ass! I know people larger than him who manage to hold down full time jobs working 40-50 hours a week! Don't get me started on Jeanette{Florence Nightingale Syndrome}....Jesus! Talk about being co-dependent! :whatever: Fatass also needs to turn off the damn fan and sweat some of that fat off as well! I don't feel a bit sorry for him! He put himself where he's at!
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This guy is nothing but a big fat lazy ass! I know people larger than him who manage to hold down full time jobs working 40-50 hours a week! Don't get me started on Jeanette{Florence Nightingale Syndrome}....Jesus! Talk about being co-dependent! :whatever: Fatass also needs to turn off the damn fan and sweat some of that fat off as well! I don't feel a bit sorry for him! He put himself where he's at!
That's exactly the attitude of the 56-year-old 404-pound guy who shovels grain at the grain elevator here five and a half days a week.
That's a guy who knows both sides, and I trust his judgement.
The gigantic primitive needs to get a job, something more physical than sitting at a table in a casino dealing cards.
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Latest updates:
Ege Bamyasi
December 20, 2009
June 21, 2009 - 488 (-31 from Dec. 2007 lifetime high)
June 28 - 488 (unchanged due to quitting 3 daily doses of diuretics)
July 5 - 485 ( -3 )
July 12 - 478 ( -7 )
July 19 - 476 ( -2 )
July 26 - 475 ( -1 )
August 2 - 456 ( -19 ) ** (resumed diuretic and diabetic meds)
August 9 - 449 ( -7 )
August 16 - 454 ( +5 )
August 23 - 444 ( -10 ) (tried stopping lasix again -- no go)
August 30 - 449 ( +5 )
September 6 - 443 ( -6 )
September 13 - 442 ( -1 )
September 20 - 441 ( -1 )
September 27 - 440 ( -1 )
October 4 - 441 ( +1 )
October 11 - 435 ( -6 )
October 18 - 437 ( +2 )
October 25 - 436 ( -1 )
November 1 - 433 ( -3 )
November 8 - 439 ( +6 )
November 15 - 434 ( -5 )
November 22 - 434 ( 0 )
November 29 - 435 ( +1 )
December 6 - 437 ( +2 )
December 13 - 436 ( -1 )
December 20 - 437 ( +1 )
A month and a half goes by with nothing to show for it but a four lb. gain. Someone is righteously indignant about now.
It's time to drop some plates on this b**ch plateau. Enough of the plateau. My depression is gone, but the cough isn't. So what. I don't care. It's time to get medieval on the plateau.
More biking today. More coughing. So what, don't care. Gonna bust some caps on the plateau. Lots of yummy potato wedges today, and maybe a bowl of oatmeal with bananas. At least 30 minutes on the recumbent today. Notice to the plateau: It's on. Like Donkey Kong.
Goodbye plateau. Goodbye 430s by the end of the month, and goodbye 400s by my 41st birthday on March 17. I've had enough of this freaking plateau. The plateau has been served.
Ege Bamyasi
December 20, 2009
What it is that I can account for is my near total lack of movement up until yesterday when I began exercising in earnest. Between my bout of depression -- and its attendant SAD eating for a brief period -- and my present battle with the Cough from Hell (tm), I've been pretty much waylaid for several weeks.
Furthermore, what I suspect is that I could be hypothyroid or have some other metabolic condition which is impeding weight loss. Maybe, maybe not, but when I think about my Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) versus what I actually eat and drink, the numbers do not add up. According to my vital statistics (Male, 40 years old, 6'3" tall, 437 lbs.), my BMR is 3462.2 according to the formula you can find on many websites. This means that, even if all I did was lie in bed, I should require 3462.2 calories per day just to maintain my present weight.
I'm sorry, but there is no way I'm consuming that in potatoes, rice, veggies, fruit, etc. every day. I'd need to go back on a fast food SAD diet to accomplish that, given my appetite. I'm going to start inputting everything I consume over at SparkPeople for a while to get a true average of my caloric intake. I'll also post the information here. I'll lay money that it's not over 2,000 calories per day.
If that's true then, according to the BMR forumla, I should be at a calorie deficit of ( 3462 - 2000 ) x 7 = 1462 x 7 = 10,234 calories per week! Given that 3,500 calories is supposed to equal a pound, it logically follows that I ought to be losing 10,234 / 3,500 = 2.92 lbs. per week just lying in bed 24 / 7 and pigging out on 2,000 calories per day of plan legal food.
Even at 3,000 calories per day, I should lose over a pound a week! Why yes, I will have the Super Size fries with that pair of Big Macs. And I would love an apple pie with that!
I'd love to get all kinds of tests and stuff run to determine just what's going on here, but of course that's not going to happen anytime soon. So, I will be charging ahead with ever-increasing amounts of exercise to lick this once and for all. I'm still coughing hard enough to get massive headaches and serious pain in my right shoulder from tensing up my upper abdominal muscles all the time. I hate it. It sucks. Hell, even my roommate hears me going at it when he's in bed on the other side of the apartment.
But once again, unless I go down from a collapsed lung or something, there won't be a doctor's visit or any type of relief beyond OTC stuff which does very little. It warms my heart, though, to know that insurance company stocks are soaring while Congress works steadfastly towards passing one of the most pathetic pieces of legislation ever in the name of "health care reform".
Well, okay. Not really.
Anyway, life goes on and I'll get this done somehow or other. I'm not about to give up, cynical attitude nonwithstanding.
And, before I click "Submit", I should at least thank you for your encouragement here in my journal. I forgot what my main purpose even was, what with all the ranting. If this keeps up, there'll be a future for me at a Greyhound station somewhere yet.
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I'm sorry, but there is no way I'm consuming that in potatoes, rice, veggies, fruit, etc. every day. I'd need to go back on a fast food SAD diet to accomplish that, given my appetite. I'm going to start inputting everything I consume over at SparkPeople for a while to get a true average of my caloric intake. I'll also post the information here. I'll lay money that it's not over 2,000 calories per day.
I bet he will be surprised how much he is eating if he is honest about the portions and includes all soda,alcohol and sugared coffee if he drinks any of the above.
Has he ever mentioned how much water he drinks as it seems that a basic component to many or most diets is a large volume of water consumed in a day.
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I still think he consumes way too many potatoes. And you never hear about any protein. How about just a piece of baked chicken breast or fish?
I've worked with lots of IT guys just this size. But, I don't know, does the guy have any marketable skill besides dealing cards?
I'm glad he got the bike, that's an excellent start.
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But, I don't know, does the guy have any marketable skill besides dealing cards?
Apparently not; if one reads the gigantic primitive's autobiography, it appears that had always been his life's goal, to sit around in casino dealing cards.
Not to be a fireman, a general, a physician, or a senator, but a card-dealer.
Well, the gigantic primitive achieved that goal, but unfortunately one of the fringe benefits of the job was all the free food from the casino restaurant one wanted, while working.
It is eminently possible the gigantic primitive ultimately lost that job because he was bankrupting the casino kitchen.
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Apparently not; if one reads the gigantic primitive's autobiography, it appears that had always been his life's goal, to sit around in casino dealing cards.
Not to be a fireman, a general, a physician, or a senator, but a card-dealer.
Well, the gigantic primitive achieved that goal, but unfortunately one of the fringe benefits of the job was all the free food from the casino restaurant one wanted, while working.
It is eminently possible the gigantic primitive ultimately lost that job because he was bankrupting the casino kitchen.
Coach, if that were the reason, there would be at least one news story about it. I think that maybe he wasn't as good as he would have hoped to be, at cards. Or, maybe there was something where he let "friends" of his win at the table. With the massive video surveillance in those places, he'd be toast in one hour or so.
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I do not understand how he thinks he using 3,500 calories per day
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Oh, I blew right past that, FGL. Indeed, he starts out this particular thread telling us that because of his cough, he's bedridden for half the day. Maybe somebody on that blog of his should gently point that out.
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I do not understand how he thinks he using 3,500 calories per day
Basal Metabolic Rate calculators assume an "average" fat to muscle ratio, so they are not accurate for those who are very lean with a lot of muscle, or for those with a lot of fat. He isn't taking the fact that his body contains an extremely above average amount of fat. Most fat tissue doesn't actually burn calories. Really, what he should do is figure out what his BMI is, and what his percentage of Body Fat is, then subtract a good amount of it from his weight, then recalculate his calorie needs.
If he were working out, he would burn more calories than the average person, because his muscles would have to work harder to move his mass, but if he is sitting around and laying down all day, his body is not expending a lot of calories.
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Update again.
For some reason, I got confused about the day--credit the Soviet socialist calendar on the desk, thinking this is the 22nd, when in fact it's only the 21st.
If that's what socialists can do to simple calendars, imagine the havoc they could wreak with our medical care.
Anyway, this, new from the gigantic primitive:
Ege Bamyasi
December 21, 2009
sksamboots, I totally agree that I should be steadily losing at least a little weight right now, but since it's not happening it's time for me to step it up. I've been wanting to exercise anyway, in order to eventually achieve a very high level of fitness. I have to start sometime and somewhere, and that time is now just doing a few minutes a day which will eventually turn into many hours per week.
As for eating more vegetables, I'm trying but our only close-by grocery store is ridiculously expensive on everything. We buy bags of potatoes, brown rice and frozen vegetables from them (which themselves are much higher than Trader Joe's which is over an hour away by bus), but since even frozen vegetables add up to major bank in a hurry, we stick with lots of starches because they're just cheaper.
For Jeanette to run to Trader Joe's or Fresh & Easy and buy lots of veggies or salad blows most of one of her days off, then there's all the cleaning around the place that she's stuck with by default because I really can't do it yet and Joe just doesn't. She's tired all the time so I have to keep it simple for her sake, or else I'm literally crushed by feelings of guilt.
The way I figure it, as long as I keep my calorie intake reasonable, then this recumbent riding is going to kick start my metabolism. The last time I did this was back in 2003, before my plantar fasciitis made it too painful to even stand up. I started riding a recumbent bike weighing in at about 435, just like now, and after the first couple of weeks I dropped a steady 3 - 5 lbs. per week on a far richer diet than I consume now. I only rode one hour per day then. My goal is to exceed one hour per day eventually this time around.
seestorcoo, you're so sweet! I'm glad that my talk of Jeanette put a smile on your face. She's really an angel walking the earth, and I wouldn't be here today without her.
As for my situation, I'm definitely disappointed on some levels, but that's different from feeling defeated. I'm definitely not defeated. I'm going to keep rallying back and trying harder until I'm where I need to be. I don't believe that my coughing is in any way related to edema. I can see my legs getting smaller below the knee, and my thighs, while still pretty massive, are getting closer and closer to matching in diameter.
I know I still have tendencies to water retention, but it's under much better control than it has been in quite some time. This cough I have is an upper respiratory thing rather than lower. I have an irritating itch in the back of my throat that nothing will abate, and that's the major source of my coughing.
I'm on the recumbent pushing harder and harder with each passing day, and I'm now to the point where I'm beginning to sweat noticeably, but my breathing is deep and steady with no difficulty. As I've said, the weirdest thing of all is that I don't hack and cough when I'm pedaling my butt off. But when I'm sitting idle? Look out world! I've always thought of myself as a square peg or a walking contradiction, and this just adds another one to the ever-growing pile.
I don't appear to have any of those symptoms of hypothyroidism you wrote about. My hair is so thick that I'm the bane of barbers and hair stylists everywhere! In fact, we have a Wahl trimmer from Target that cost about $40, and when Jeanette tries to run it through my hair it sounds like a push mower when it encounters a patch of 2' high grass, weeds and shrubs. A brief pitiful whine and then near silence, followed by my screams of pain as Jeanette tries to dislodge the damn thing from my head.
She's taken to using scissors to cut my hair really short, and then carefully and slowly runs the Wahl over my head to even everything out with a #2 trimmer, but it takes bloody forever. It's insane. I began graying in my teens, but I'm always going to have a thick mane like the singer Michael McDonald, I think.
As for your reference to Daniel on The Biggest Loser, I can easily envision that kind of transformation. I have to say that while I can't stand the product placement and often dubious advice given on that show, I really respect the trainers and contestants for working themselves completely raw for hours per day, day after day!
I might not have the ability to work all of my muscle groups, and I certainly don't have a supporting team of trainers, doctors and fancy equipment to assist me, but I will be going balls-out with what I do have to prove just what is possible coming from the horrible lows I hit earlier this year. How many people have toes, feet, legs that look like they're ready to die and fall off, and then turn that around just with diet and a naturally occurring oil?
Once I can say I'm well and truly healed, Dr. M is going to be receiving photos of my wounds from a couple of months ago -- when I was already well into the healing process -- along with thorough descriptions of how bad things were, and the final healed result. I want to see a major research project dedicated to the use of coconut oil in the treatment of wounds. The stuff works, and so well it's actually frightening.
Well, I've gone on long enough just replying to the two of you. I'm going to take a break before I post about my day. Thanks again, to both of you, for all the encouragement and support!! {{{hugs}}}
Well, damn.
Not only does the long-suffering wife of the gigantic primitive have to clean house after a hard day at work, but she has to cut his hair too.
Damn. Just damn.
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That is just so sad. :(
I can almost hear him whining...Jeanette I can`t get onto the cycle...if you loved me you would help
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I just hit a speed-bump.
.....and my thighs, while still pretty massive, are getting closer and closer to matching in diameter.
Why, other than bodily injuries due to work or accidents, would thighs not approximate each other in diameter?
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She's taken to using scissors to cut my hair really short, and then carefully and slowly runs the Wahl over my head to even everything out with a #2 trimmer, but it takes bloody forever.
As if her life were not miserable enough, he complains about how long it takes her to cut his hair. And she hasn't even started the pedicure yet- no way giganticus could reach his flippers.
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I just hit a speed-bump.
Why, other than bodily injuries due to work or accidents, would thighs not approximate each other in diameter?
I think he accidentally left out a phrase:
"my thighs, while still pretty massive, are getting closer and closer to matching in diameter the washtub Jeanette uses to mix my dinner."
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That matter of, uh, mismatched thighs has gotten me greatly concerned.
I grabbed one of those cloth, or fabric, yard-sticks used by seamstresses.
I wasn't sure where one measures the thighs, so guessed about mid-point.
One thigh on this body is a tad bit under 19 inches.
The other thigh on this body is a tad bit under 19 inches.
I am truly perplexed.
Barring some sort of mutilating injury from work or accident, or past paralysis of one limb or the other, why would thighs not be approximately the same size?
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Poor circulation from diabetes and edema from... a few things, can do funky stuff from one side to the other on a person.
Yes, I'm back reading this thread. I know his weight loss goal can be made by March next year. He'll need help with a resume from what I've read.
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Update again.
Not only does the long-suffering wife of the gigantic primitive have to clean house after a hard day at work, but she has to cut his hair too.
He has issues with "Joe". I bet Joe and Jeanette are an item, I think she tends to Jabba out of guilt.
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I do not understand how he thinks he using 3,500 calories per day
He isn't keeping a diet diary, or at least not an accurate one. Less than one percent of overweight folks have a thyroid issue, alas, I am not one of them.
Hopefully he will keep exercising more and control his portions. One can lose weight on a candy bar diet, short term, provided the caloric content of said diet is less than one expends hauling one's carcass around. :-)
There is such a thing as a fat vegetarian; starch isn't exactly low calorie especially if he is eating the massive quantities I suspect he is.
I do believe this thread has inspired me to lose the last 30 pounds I've lugged around long enough. Hopefully SC will lighten up soon so he can lighten Jeanette's load.
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but since even frozen vegetables add up to major bank in a hurry,
This is total BS! I'm looking at the weekly ad for "Fresh and Easy" in Las Vegas and 1lb bags of all types of frozen vegetables are only 99 cents. They could majorly stock up for that price. Actually, most of the prices in the ad seem pretty reasonable to me but I'm used to NJ prices for stuff. I don't think sitting around all day making up excuses for why he's not losing weight burns many calories!
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This is total BS! I'm looking at the weekly ad for "Fresh and Easy" in Las Vegas and 1lb bags of all types of frozen vegetables are only 99 cents. They could majorly stock up for that price. Actually, most of the prices in the ad seem pretty reasonable to me but I'm used to NJ prices for stuff. I don't think sitting around all day making up excuses for why he's not losing weight burns many calories!
.99 a pound in quantities you or I might consume probably wouldn't be much. His quantities, though, might be a bit higher. :-)
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Besides the zero housework out of him, which pisses me off no end, and has in fact altered my mood to one of irritableness, this line set my teeth on edge:
A brief pitiful whine and then near silence, followed by my screams of pain as Jeanette tries to dislodge the damn thing from my head.
SHUT UP FATSO, JUST SHUT UP. She is nice enough to tend to your grooming, which you are unable to do because of your self-inflicted problems, and you have to rub her nerves raw with your screaming and bellowing? SHUT UP or you'll be trying and failing to wipe your own ass soon.
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.99 a pound in quantities you or I might consume probably wouldn't be much. His quantities, though, might be a bit higher. :-)
You're definitely right there! :-)
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Okay, okay, I had to dash to town to get something, and on my way I stopped off at the local grain elevator, to chat with the 56-year-old 404-pound guy who shovels grain there five and a half days a week.
I inquired about his domestic housework. His wife is, interestingly, a beautician (an occupation common out here in the Sandhills) who cuts his own hair for free.
She like him puts in five and a half days, Saturday afternoons off for household stuff and Sundays off for relaxation.
He like the wife of the gigantic primitive takes out the wastebaskets and other household trash (to be honest, even though the pair lives nicely, I don't get the impression they generate whole lot of garbage--at least at home). They live out in the country, and taking out the trash involves more than just dumping something down a trash-chute in an apartment buildng or walking out to the back yard.
It involves something like walking two city blocks, one way (which incidentally is the same as what franksolich does), and usually about three trips.
He says it's better exercise than any "non-moving bicycle."
His wife vaccuums; he stands by to move the furniture.
His wife does the cooking, and washes the dishes by hand, leaving them in the sink to dry. He when having the necessity to using the bathroom or get a drink from the refrigerator pauses to put the now-dried dishes away in the cupboards.
He does all the outside work, mowing the lawn, getting rid of the snow, whatnot.
Any construction or repairing chores are done by one of his sons (in the construction business) with him standing by to help as needed. Any automotive mechanic chores are done by another of his sons (in the gas-station business) with him standing by to help as needed. He taught his sons how to do all this stuff, back when he was younger and pushing only 375 pounds.
He's getting the impression the gigantic primitive is rather lazy, and could work off some weight doing some real work, rather than laying in bed all the time.
I didn't ask him if his thighs matched, because they look the same size to me.
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Okay, okay, I had to dash to town to get something, and on my way I stopped off at the local grain elevator, to chat with the 56-year-old 404-pound guy who shovels grain there five and a half days a week.
He sounds like one of the good guys to me Frank. Yes, better to not ask about his thighs. lol.
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He sounds like one of the good guys to me Frank. Yes, better to not ask about his thighs. lol.
Yeah, that might be crossing a line.
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Really if I was this heavy I think I'd consider a lap band or something.
Cindie
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Really if I was this heavy I think I'd consider a lap band or something.
Cindie
Uh, yeah, but that costs money. And you don't have money if you don't work. And if you don't work, because you feel you are too big to work, well then you are SOL I guess.
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Forgive my utter ignorance--really, people here would be surprised at all that I don't know--but what is a "lap band"?
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Forgive my utter ignorance--really, people here would be surprised at all that I don't know--but what is a "lap band"?
It is a surgery, for the obese. Not as invasive as a gastric bypass. I "believe" they use a band to shut off part of the stomach, so that you don't eat as much, and lose weight.
I would also like to add that Mr. Big Guy would not be a good candidate for the bypass, because he would have to give up his love of all things starchy. Potatoes and bread are big no-no's.
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Hello, my name is Jeanette, most of you know me as the wife of Systematic Chaos, or the Gigantic Primitive, as I've seen him called.
I thought I would introduce myself and respond to some of the posts that I've seen today. I hope that you understand that I'm not angry or anything regarding the posts, I'm just a little too tired of the kind of bashing that you seem to think will help him.
Recent quotes appear to require some response. Such as:
He's lying about what and how much he's eating. Plain and simple. Ever looked to see just how many calories you have to take in to maintain 400 + lbs.? Even with no physical activity you have to take in a BUNCH of calories to keep that weight on.
KC
It's kinda hard for Kirk to lie about what he's eating, since I prepare all the food in the house, other than what Joe, our roommate (and my supposed lover), cooks for himself. If anything, I've been the one that eats more than he does, because I do sometimes buy something for myself that I don't bring into the house, because it's not plan legal. I don't use oil for my cooking, except on the rare occasion that I use a spray oil, a very thin layer, to keep something from sticking to a pan. Usually, I tend to just make some oil free stir fried rice with veggies, fresh or frozen. I'll also make alot of mashed or boiled potatoes, and lots of pasta. Actually, the worse thing that I might do is go ahead and buy some ready made tofu or other meat substitute hamburgers, it's basically a treat food for us, and not something I buy all the time. Once in a while, we may order out and get chinese or pizza, but it's not done frequently, and is definitely less often than it used to be. I'm not sure what the deal is with the calorie intake, because I seriously doubt he's eating more than the projected 2000 calories, but he has been uninsured for almost a year, so he may indeed be experiencing a medical condition that prevents him from losing the weight.
I understand that it's hard for everyone to believe that he's making an effort to lose weight, when you believe that he's 'obviously' lying about what he's eating, or how much, or whatever. Well, if he's managing to hide food from me, then I wonder where he's getting the money. He's always joking about whoring himself out for money, but I tend to think that one of our cats (Taz, a beautiful calico with squirrel tail) would succeed better. She always was trying to whore herself out to the two male cats we have, without success. Honestly tho, if he's getting money to buy himself food, then he'd have to share the cheetos, since those are my favorite snacks of all time, and he knows it. I tend to think that I would see the yellow marks on the keyboard and elsewhere, which was listed in a recent post.
It will never happen. To get to the point of simple obesity, he needs to lose 200 pounds. A pound of fat is 3500 calories, so he needs to generate a deficit between his diet and the calories burned in exercise of 700,000 calories. He calls 13 minutes on the recumbent bike a workout. At the resistance level he likely runs, he burns no more than 5 calories a minute unless he's pedalling like a bat out of hell. So his workout was less than 100 calories. And then he celebrates with a stockpot full of tomatoes and potatoes. And he isn't counting the bags of Cheetos he scarfs down during his all-day computger game sessions. The blimp will fall over dead with orange fingers on his controller.
As far as the level of tension used when cycling, I've asked him to use a lower tension before, because I wanted him to go for a longer period of time at a lower tension, build his stamina, but he's stubborn and insists on using a higher level of tension than I would prefer. I don't say anything tho, because he's happier with the higher tension, feeling that he's accomplishing more that way. And he may indeed be doing so, but my opinion is that he would be doing better with a lower tension to allow for longer overall workouts. I can't determine which is better tho, because I'm horrible at excercise, always have been, guess I always will be.
A few other quotes to comment to:
I wonder if Jeanette shops at one of those dent & scratch stores? hhmmm
God, I wish, it'd be nice to save some money if there was such a place here, but I don't know where it would be. Besides, then there would be the health risks to consider, what if the can(s) are compromised? That would just potentially cause me more problems, with his current health issues aggravated by botulism or some other bacteria.
http://drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11960&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=540&sid=b8d12979368652c6bfabb41ce45e1af3
Oh my.
The gigantic primitive:
Question. One can only speculate, but why does one suppose the gigantic primitive wraps up his legs like they're in casts for broken bones?
He wears special wrappings called tubigrips, a light compression tube sock, comes in a box in a long tube that you cut to fit whatever limb you are wrapping. He needs one leg to be wrapped 2-3 times a week in fresh wrappings, to prevent open ulcers on his leg and webbing of his big and second toe from getting bigger. The tubigrip allows light compression and keeps the underlying bandaging from moving, allowing the ulcers to eventually close, which has already happened with open ulcers that were on the other leg. I still keep the other leg tubigripped as well, just to make sure he doesn't have a relapse, due to poor circulation and bad blood vessel valves. His condition has dramatically improved over the past few months, compared to the way they were over the previous few YEARS. By the way, if you know anyone who has exterior ulcers, I highly recommend using high quality cocoanut oil, it's made me a firm believer in the healing qualities of the oil.
Yeah, I too was surprised at that.
Put long pants and shoes on him, and he's presentable for job interviews.
Altho I know you may not believe it, I feel this to be a compliment. Kirk is a very handsome gentleman, and I'm glad to see that someone else can see that as well. I have loved him from the beginning, and it's really saddened me that so many think that I'm some downtrodden, lonely, umm, frustrated? woman, who has to hide a relationship with a roommate in order to be happy. Honestly, if I wasn't happy with Kirk, and didn't find him to be attractive and sweet, I would have no problems with leaving him and moving out to be an independant woman with our four sweet cats. I was living by myself without seeking a husband when I met him, and I don't have a problem with the idea of being independant again, except for the fact that I truly do love and care for this guy. I did, after all, agree to love and cherish him, in sickness and health, for the rest of my life, and I plan on sticking with that vow forever. Our roommate, Joe, well, he's gay, a vietnam vet, and was married to a woman before he finally gave in and admitted he couldn't be with a woman and be happy. He's also far too old for me, and definitely not my type. I hope you understand, it's just never been something that's I've thought of, honestly.
Notice what is in the lower right corner...looks like a salsa jar and a relish bottle.
Since I doubt this thing was set up in the kitchen one suspects that food is never far away from him.
I had to look at the picture you were referring to, and remembered that we had just finished eating some burritos with rice, corn tortillas, and, for him, some salsa. I don't care for the salsa, and had bought him a new kind for him to try out, as a treat. You can also see the cough syrup and a jalapeno sauce bottle, which was also part of dinner (and yes, the cough syrup was part of his dinner too, bleh). We just hadn't put them in the fridge yet, he was so determined to get on the bike after we had cleared the floor around it.
For myself, I'm not political, and I don't believe I will ever be outspoken about politics, but Kirk has a very strong view on politics. Please understand that your method of 'encouraging' and 'supporting' him isn't going to work, it's just feeding a fire. It would help me out quite a bit if you would respect us and assume that he actually is trying to improve himself. Yes, he's not perfect, and neither am I. Neither are you. Don't throw stones, because they can be directed at you as well. Let him express himself on the McDougall forums among his support, and let him find out what he needs to do himself, without mocking him and all he does. Mockery just makes you appear childish, at least in my eyes. It's nice to know that there are some that have made 'positive' comments, but they tend to be kinda backhanded. I appreciate that there's at least some voices out there that have something encouraging to say, it's encouraging to know that not everyone is going to be as discouraging as the majority are. With that note to end on, I hope that people will understand my husband a little bit better, and know that it's not just his side that you are seeing now. Oh, oops, and of course the side that you yourself are displaying.
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Please understand Jeanette that people here do truly feel sorry for what you have endured.
It is sad to see even though you feel okay about it.
I wish you the best in life,you are clearly a kind and gracious soul.
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I appreciate that people aren't going to understand how things are with Kirk and myself, but to assume that I must be unhappy or unsatisfied without knowing me, it's just not there. Yes, times haven't all been hunky dory, and I certainly see where improvements can be made in our lives, but we really and truly are good for each other. I'm happy with him, and I'm glad that I can be there to help him out. Sometimes I wish I were able to take some time for myself, and I know that I have my own medical issues that I need to take care of, but he's in much more serious condition that I have ever been. And I see improvement in his condition, even if you don't. You have to realize, I've been dealing with his medical conditions, seeing how every hospital visit has failed to improve his issues. There's only been one hospital, out of five different hospitals, where his condition actually improved, and he almost choked from a piece of wire that was in his hospital food.
I've seen posts where everyone appears to think that his doctors and related staff were doing what they could to help him, but you have to realize that he had legitimate complaints about his care and treatment. One doctor blatantly admitted to me that they cultured his nose to get the insurance to let him get a private room, because he had a highly infectious bacteria that showed in the culture. What they didn't reveal to the insurance is that the same culture on the entire Las Vegas population would have shown 40-50% would have the same results, because it's benign when in the nose and perfectly normal to find. Kirk didn't want the private room, in fact, the room had a foul odor and the air conditioner didn't work nearly as well as in the original room. And of course, while there, his leg was not treated daily, his wrappings kept coming off and leaving his open ulcers exposed and seeping. He also had some kind of unknown swelling that occurred, and the doctors never did find out what caused the red swelling and massive pain, which started while he was in the hospital.
I give due consideration to the fact that there were many caring people that tried to help him with all of the problems he has had over the past years. His problems initially started, without diabetes to complicate matters, with gout and massive water retention, complicated by severe sleep apnea (condition where he stops breathing due to a small throat muscle blocking his air passageways). He then became diabetic, which complicated matters further. He had a doctor who didn't diagnose or treat his sleep apnea (almost killing him due to a near car accident) until I visited and literally yelled at her to get him tested. That was one 'caring' doctor he had, and we later changed to a different doctor, who was very kind and helpful. Unfortunately, he then developed planar fasciitis, which caused him to lose several months of work while his leg was put in a cast. This was considered the best solution, which didn't take into account the fact that the water retention would cause other problems.
Please keep in mind, this was while he was at a considerably lesser weight. The enforced inactivity started causing him to gain weight, and aggravated underlying problems that he had absolutely no control over. Each problem led to another, which led to more medical issues, and finally steamrolled into the open ulcers covering approximately 40% of his lower leg and three toes, along with approximately 30% of the remainder of his foot also damaged. This was ONE of his legs, the other leg wasn't as severely damaged, but still had approximately 25-35% damage, with small open bubbled spots showing up every so often. A good portion of his legs are permanently scarred, unlikely to ever fully recover, and we've been told that he's unlikely to ever be able to go without compression on his legs, EVER, for the rest of his life, regardless of how well his legs heal.
I also remember seeing someone post about an attempted dinner plan we had recently. We had planned on going to a special restaurant for a birthday/anniversary dinner, one that we haven't been able to have in several years. I originally made the plans by calling the paratransit company, who provides rides for disabled customers for a fee per ride. They will also take a companion, medical personnel are free, and regular people pay a fee as well. We were under the understanding that you could arrange a ride to reach a destination by a specific time, with the expectation that you might be up to 20 minutes late, so you may have to take an earlier ride than you want in order to make sure you get to your destination on time. So, I made a ride for an hour earlier than I felt we needed to be at the restaurant, and made a ride for three hours later, feeling that it would give us 3-4 hours to relax and enjoy our anniversary/birthday dinner. The driver picked us up late, which I had accounted for by making the ride an hour earlier than we needed. But then, we spent 2.5 hours on the bus, watching the driver fail to follow passenger suggestions on how to reach their destinations (their houses), getting closer and closer to the time when we were expected to be available to be picked up from the restaurant. Mind you, the driver was friendly and apologetic, but even the other passengers were having a hard time when he kept passing the exits or turns they were telling him to take so they could get home. He kept telling us that he was going to drop us off after the next passenger, then the next passenger after that one, then finally my husband couldn't wait any longer. We requested to be taken back home, and spoke to the main office the next day. We didn't get penalized for not using our scheduled ride, but found out that non-medical appointments don't get a scheduled drop off, so someone wanting to watch a movie can't expect to get to the movie on time, unless they schedule a ride to reach the theatre 2 hours before the movie starts, since you can be on a bus for more than 1.5 hours before reaching your destination. It wasn't a fun ride, because my husband had taken some medication right before getting on the bus, which shouldn't have been taken on an empty stomach, and it was a night time ride, with nothing to look at outside.
Well, I figure I've posted enough for now, so I'll go ahead and stop for a bit. Please keep in mind, I'm not trying to make excuses, I just want you to understand things a little bit better, so that you can respect what we are going through.
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Hello, my name is Jeanette, most of you know me as the wife of Systematic Chaos, or the Gigantic Primitive, as I've seen him called.
I thought I would introduce myself and respond to some of the posts that I've seen today. I hope that you understand that I'm not angry or anything regarding the posts, I'm just a little too tired of the kind of bashing that you seem to think will help him.
Recent quotes appear to require some response. Such as:
It's kinda hard for Kirk to lie about what he's eating, since I prepare all the food in the house, other than what Joe, our roommate (and my supposed lover), cooks for himself. If anything, I've been the one that eats more than he does, because I do sometimes buy something for myself that I don't bring into the house, because it's not plan legal. I don't use oil for my cooking, except on the rare occasion that I use a spray oil, a very thin layer, to keep something from sticking to a pan. Usually, I tend to just make some oil free stir fried rice with veggies, fresh or frozen. I'll also make alot of mashed or boiled potatoes, and lots of pasta. Actually, the worse thing that I might do is go ahead and buy some ready made tofu or other meat substitute hamburgers, it's basically a treat food for us, and not something I buy all the time. Once in a while, we may order out and get chinese or pizza, but it's not done frequently, and is definitely less often than it used to be. I'm not sure what the deal is with the calorie intake, because I seriously doubt he's eating more than the projected 2000 calories, but he has been uninsured for almost a year, so he may indeed be experiencing a medical condition that prevents him from losing the weight.
I understand that it's hard for everyone to believe that he's making an effort to lose weight, when you believe that he's 'obviously' lying about what he's eating, or how much, or whatever. Well, if he's managing to hide food from me, then I wonder where he's getting the money. He's always joking about whoring himself out for money, but I tend to think that one of our cats (Taz, a beautiful calico with squirrel tail) would succeed better. She always was trying to whore herself out to the two male cats we have, without success. Honestly tho, if he's getting money to buy himself food, then he'd have to share the cheetos, since those are my favorite snacks of all time, and he knows it. I tend to think that I would see the yellow marks on the keyboard and elsewhere, which was listed in a recent post.
As far as the level of tension used when cycling, I've asked him to use a lower tension before, because I wanted him to go for a longer period of time at a lower tension, build his stamina, but he's stubborn and insists on using a higher level of tension than I would prefer. I don't say anything tho, because he's happier with the higher tension, feeling that he's accomplishing more that way. And he may indeed be doing so, but my opinion is that he would be doing better with a lower tension to allow for longer overall workouts. I can't determine which is better tho, because I'm horrible at excercise, always have been, guess I always will be.
A few other quotes to comment to:
God, I wish, it'd be nice to save some money if there was such a place here, but I don't know where it would be. Besides, then there would be the health risks to consider, what if the can(s) are compromised? That would just potentially cause me more problems, with his current health issues aggravated by botulism or some other bacteria.
He wears special wrappings called tubigrips, a light compression tube sock, comes in a box in a long tube that you cut to fit whatever limb you are wrapping. He needs one leg to be wrapped 2-3 times a week in fresh wrappings, to prevent open ulcers on his leg and webbing of his big and second toe from getting bigger. The tubigrip allows light compression and keeps the underlying bandaging from moving, allowing the ulcers to eventually close, which has already happened with open ulcers that were on the other leg. I still keep the other leg tubigripped as well, just to make sure he doesn't have a relapse, due to poor circulation and bad blood vessel valves. His condition has dramatically improved over the past few months, compared to the way they were over the previous few YEARS. By the way, if you know anyone who has exterior ulcers, I highly recommend using high quality cocoanut oil, it's made me a firm believer in the healing qualities of the oil.
Altho I know you may not believe it, I feel this to be a compliment. Kirk is a very handsome gentleman, and I'm glad to see that someone else can see that as well. I have loved him from the beginning, and it's really saddened me that so many think that I'm some downtrodden, lonely, umm, frustrated? woman, who has to hide a relationship with a roommate in order to be happy. Honestly, if I wasn't happy with Kirk, and didn't find him to be attractive and sweet, I would have no problems with leaving him and moving out to be an independant woman with our four sweet cats. I was living by myself without seeking a husband when I met him, and I don't have a problem with the idea of being independant again, except for the fact that I truly do love and care for this guy. I did, after all, agree to love and cherish him, in sickness and health, for the rest of my life, and I plan on sticking with that vow forever. Our roommate, Joe, well, he's gay, a vietnam vet, and was married to a woman before he finally gave in and admitted he couldn't be with a woman and be happy. He's also far too old for me, and definitely not my type. I hope you understand, it's just never been something that's I've thought of, honestly.
I had to look at the picture you were referring to, and remembered that we had just finished eating some burritos with rice, corn tortillas, and, for him, some salsa. I don't care for the salsa, and had bought him a new kind for him to try out, as a treat. You can also see the cough syrup and a jalapeno sauce bottle, which was also part of dinner (and yes, the cough syrup was part of his dinner too, bleh). We just hadn't put them in the fridge yet, he was so determined to get on the bike after we had cleared the floor around it.
For myself, I'm not political, and I don't believe I will ever be outspoken about politics, but Kirk has a very strong view on politics. Please understand that your method of 'encouraging' and 'supporting' him isn't going to work, it's just feeding a fire. It would help me out quite a bit if you would respect us and assume that he actually is trying to improve himself. Yes, he's not perfect, and neither am I. Neither are you. Don't throw stones, because they can be directed at you as well. Let him express himself on the McDougall forums among his support, and let him find out what he needs to do himself, without mocking him and all he does. Mockery just makes you appear childish, at least in my eyes. It's nice to know that there are some that have made 'positive' comments, but they tend to be kinda backhanded. I appreciate that there's at least some voices out there that have something encouraging to say, it's encouraging to know that not everyone is going to be as discouraging as the majority are. With that note to end on, I hope that people will understand my husband a little bit better, and know that it's not just his side that you are seeing now. Oh, oops, and of course the side that you yourself are displaying.
Way way way too many simple carbs for his activity level. Need to get more protein in there i think! Also sounds like Kirk is a diabetic! Sounds like Kirk is insulin resistant. I really think you should get away from that diet and go with a higher protein diet along with getting rid of all the simple carbs and choosing complex ones. 2000 calories is still too much for him...considering he doesn't work and doesn't exercise nearly enough for long enough.
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I give due consideration to the fact that there were many caring people that tried to help him with all of the problems he has had over the past years. His problems initially started, without diabetes to complicate matters, with gout and massive water retention, complicated by severe sleep apnea (condition where he stops breathing due to a small throat muscle blocking his air passageways). He then became diabetic, which complicated matters further. He had a doctor who didn't diagnose or treat his sleep apnea (almost killing him due to a near car accident) until I visited and literally yelled at her to get him tested. That was one 'caring' doctor he had, and we later changed to a different doctor, who was very kind and helpful. Unfortunately, he then developed planar fasciitis, which caused him to lose several months of work while his leg was put in a cast. This was considered the best solution, which didn't take into account the fact that the water retention would cause other problems.
Every last one of these problems is caused by Kirk being extremely over weight! I stand by my advice in my last post. Get off of that diet!!!! One more thing. That 3-2-1 dressing? Get him off of that! Alot of sugar he doesn't need! Stick to an oil based vinaigrette. Less carbs and sugar!
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Keep telling yourself he's really trying Jeanette. We've been following his effort for some time now. Number one way to lose weight is cut down calories, period. It does not seem that is what is happening. Sure he cuts down on the type of food he intakes but not the quantity. One can gain loads of weight just by shoveling potatoes in by the truck load. Cut down to a baked potato a day, and watch the lbs melt away!
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Well, I figure I've posted enough for now, so I'll go ahead and stop for a bit. Please keep in mind, I'm not trying to make excuses, I just want you to understand things a little bit better, so that you can respect what we are going through.
Hello and good wishes, madam.
You're welcome to post here as much as is convenient or as much as you wish; the only rules we have here are that (a) one can't reveal real-life details (real name, real address, those sorts of things) of other members here, and it's not kosher to bash the military; other than that, we're laid back and mellow.
Oh Hell, we even had a lot of George Bush and John McCain bashing here, despite that George Bush was the most honest, most principled, president in my own lifetime, and John McCain would've made a better president than the current occupant of the White House.
So it's not like we're all of a single monolithic mind-set, and devour people who disagree with us.
Unlike another place one can mention.
When your husband won the coveted #08 TOP PRIMITIVE OF 2009, it was carefully and honestly pointed out that he got the award not because of his physical shape, but because of his attitude about things.
There are members here who are overweight, and members here who have had to deal with overweight loved ones, and so the mere fact of fatness is something about which most of us are very sensitive, and kind.
So it's the pissy attitude of your husband, and not his bulk; if what he writes is an indication of his true feelings, he blames everything on external forces, rather than on himself.
If he keeps that up, it is highly unlikely he is going to succeed--and of course we all wish him to succeed--and even less likely that he's ever going to be content.
He's got to concentrate on those things he can change, and ignore those things fixed in stone. He can't change his past, he can't change his late mother of blessed memory, he can't change that George Bush was once president.
He can however change himself.
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Why do I have a feeling that the posts by "Jeanette" is just a Systematic Chaos sock puppet. :uhsure:
She doesn't have that much free time during the day.
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Why do I have a feeling that the posts by "Jeanette" is just a Systematic Chaos sock puppet. :uhsure:
She doesn't have that much free time during the day.
I'm giving the benefit of the doubt.
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I'm giving the benefit of the doubt.
You could be right. Most likely you are correct. It's just a feeling I have.
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I'm giving the benefit of the doubt.
Although there is no info that could not be gleaned from the posts here and elsewhere, the thoughtfulness of her posts sure seem to be inline with how I would Imagine an individual to be in this situation. I agree Coach, benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
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It is absolutely, 100%, without doubt, certain, that these posts are not from the household slave of the quivering mound of lard. No way. To suggest that a woman who is capable of clearly and grammatically telling a story like this would allow herself to be held in the type of obscene servitude that Jeanette endures is absurd. Far more likely that the real Jeanette is a semi-literate, desperate woman, whose mental illness is as severe as that of the leviathan himself. These posts may well be from the blubber blob. His style is as easy to recognize as his monstrous physique. I'm shocked if anyone is actually duped.
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It is absolutely, 100%, without doubt, certain, that these posts are not from the household slave of the quivering mound of lard. No way. To suggest that a woman who is capable of clearly and grammatically telling a story like this would allow herself to be held in the type of obscene servitude that Jeanette endures is absurd. Far more likely that the real Jeanette is a semi-literate, desperate woman, whose mental illness is as severe as that of the leviathan himself. These posts may well be from the blubber blob. His style is as easy to recognize as his monstrous physique. I'm shocked if anyone is actually duped.
The reason I mentioned sock puppet is because lardass hides the fact that he is on the computer all day. Why would he show her something about himself from another site where he admits to playing games while she is at work. If she had half a brain, she would question his activities all day. Lardass is not going to jeopardize that.
I say again. It's not her.
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I'm starting now to suspect the same thing, GOBUCKS and Tucker.
But it's always a good idea to give one at least ten minutes' of the benefit of the doubt.
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Why do I have a feeling that the posts by "Jeanette" is just a Systematic Chaos sock puppet. :uhsure:
She doesn't have that much free time during the day.
Hello, and this is part of the reason I started posting last night. It's a shame that people want to assume the worst, when someone decides to try responding to comments and ideas posted in the forums. Simply because I start posting doesn't mean that I'm not who I say I am. Admittedly, posting on a public forum isn't a way for you to really see 'who' I am and everything, and I was perfectly willing to post a video to let you actually see and hear me in actuality, but I've never posted a video before. I'll have to research that and make sure to do it soon, but I decided to write and not wait, because the comments I was seeing needed some kind of response.
Btw, off topic here, but one of my cats just absolutely loved the little running dinosaur animation on the page, she tried so hard to eat the poor little critter. And yes, I absolutely adore my cats, I post about them and give little stories quite frequently, when I post. Don't be surprised.
Now, I understand that everyone has their ideas about dieting and what constitutes the 'healthiest' diets, and not every diet is suited to an individual. However, the diet that we are on appears to be quite healthy. based upon my own research. His 3-2-1 dressing is actually 2.5 cups vinegar, whatever sounds good that we have available when I make it, 2 cups dijon mustard, and 1 cup, or less, of honey. The only dairy products we have in the house are what Joe uses, and as far as oil goes, we have oil in some things that are pre-made convenience foods, but I don't use any other oil except maybe spray a light coating of spray oil to prevent massive sticking when cooking stir-fry or something. It really does seem to be working, in terms of feeling better, compared to our old diet.
Oh, wow, I don't know how I misunderstood what I was quoting, and must have completely disillusioned myself when I was originally quoting a post. For whatever reason, I thought the original post said something else, but I just re-read the post by Gobucks, and realized that I completely missed what they posted originally. Perhaps I was looking at an earlier post, or was reading just the secondary posting, I can't remember because I ended up getting distracted by my cats. However, to think that someone is going to believe that I'm not intelligent enough (or literate enough) to post on my own behalf, oh, and that I'm a slave to a quivering mound of lard? It's truly a shame that someone can't provide any information to educate and inform without automatically being called a sock puppet (now I remember, that's what I was originally responding to, sock puppet), with apparently no mind of my own? Come on, you can make fun of my own bad habits and love for my cats, I don't have a problem with that, but let me at least be an independant person with my own opinions and voice. Just go with the idea that my main ambition is to become the 'cat lady' of my neighborhood, and you wouldn't be far off, altho my husband is the one to bring in the two female cats, I just brought in the two males, so it's not just me who increased our household. I'm going to have to learn how to post a video, I guess, because it sounds like some people are never going to believe that I can actually have an intelligent voice/opinion. ***Edit*** Ok, now I understand what happened. I was indeed quoting what I thought I was, but didn't realize at first that additional posts were made after I started this post. I didn't realize that it would show up under mine, where I could see it while typing. I'm referring to the following quote:
It is absolutely, 100%, without doubt, certain, that these posts are not from the household slave of the quivering mound of lard. No way. To suggest that a woman who is capable of clearly and grammatically telling a story like this would allow herself to be held in the type of obscene servitude that Jeanette endures is absurd. Far more likely that the real Jeanette is a semi-literate, desperate woman, whose mental illness is as severe as that of the leviathan himself. These posts may well be from the blubber blob. His style is as easy to recognize as his monstrous physique. I'm shocked if anyone is actually duped.
For the moment, I can't continue, because I'm getting yelled at by Calys, my original male cat, for not petting him enough while he's here at the table. I went ahead and took a sick day off today, because I'm not feeling great, so he's taking full advantage and telling me just how neglected he is. Oh yeah, all of the cats are completely neglected, they cluster around me almost the entire time I'm home. Calys gets me when I'm in bed, Marmie clamps onto me before I leave for work, and is the first one to be picked up when I get home, and Taz, well, bathrooms are her spot. Only Shakey leaves me alone, just beating his head against the wall at 5am in pursuit of the last brain cell he owns.
I'm rather saddened that I'm simply considered an extension of my husband, and couldn't possibly be my own person, but that's ok. Perhaps it will become clear that I can actually voice my own thoughts and opinions without being belittled as if we were in kindergarten. Gobucks, I really do hope that you realize that it's my choice as to whether I am with the so-called 'quivering mound of lard'. He's been my companion for years, and I've definitely not felt like I was a slave to anyone. It's my choice as to whether I work, since his disability is actually technically enough for us to live off of. It wouldn't leave us with much, but I really could quit working and dedicate all my time and effort to him. Instead, I do work, and yes, it would be nice to get more help from Joe and Kirk with the housework, but I'm not going to consider myself a slave simply because I have to do the same as many other women do, balance work and family and household.
Another post that I now have to respond to:
The reason I mentioned sock puppet is because lardass hides the fact that he is on the computer all day. Why would he show her something about himself from another site where he admits to playing games while she is at work. If she had half a brain, she would question his activities all day. Lardass is not going to jeopardize that.
I say again. It's not her.
Sorry, but I know what he does, and have no problems with him posting, or gaming online or on our gaming consoles. In fact, his 'job' is to play the online game and do the tedious work on there, so that I can get on and simply play and enjoy the fun parts of the game. He makes the money on the game, so that I can spend it buying what I want to make my characters fun to play, without having to work on the background work that makes it possible for me to go out and enjoy myself.
Anyway, enough said, I'm sure I'll find out more about how I couldn't possibly be the person I am, simply because I actually love and stand by my husband.
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Hello, and this is part of the reason I started posting last night. It's a shame that people want to assume the worst, when someone decides to try responding to comments and ideas posted in the forums. Simply because I start posting doesn't mean that I'm not who I say I am. Admittedly, posting on a public forum isn't a way for you to really see 'who' I am and everything, and I was perfectly willing to post a video to let you actually see and hear me in actuality, but I've never posted a video before. I'll have to research that and make sure to do it soon, but I decided to write and not wait, because the comments I was seeing needed some kind of response.
Btw, off topic here, but one of my cats just absolutely loved the little running dinosaur animation on the page, she tried so hard to eat the poor little critter. And yes, I absolutely adore my cats, I post about them and give little stories quite frequently, when I post. Don't be surprised.
Now, I understand that everyone has their ideas about dieting and what constitutes the 'healthiest' diets, and not every diet is suited to an individual. However, the diet that we are on appears to be quite healthy. based upon my own research. His 3-2-1 dressing is actually 2.5 cups vinegar, whatever sounds good that we have available when I make it, 2 cups dijon mustard, and 1 cup, or less, of honey. The only dairy products we have in the house are what Joe uses, and as far as oil goes, we have oil in some things that are pre-made convenience foods, but I don't use any other oil except maybe spray a light coating of spray oil to prevent massive sticking when cooking stir-fry or something. It really does seem to be working, in terms of feeling better, compared to our old diet.
Oh, wow, I don't know how I misunderstood what I was quoting, and must have completely disillusioned myself when I was originally quoting a post. For whatever reason, I thought the original post said something else, but I just re-read the post by Gobucks, and realized that I completely missed what they posted originally. Perhaps I was looking at an earlier post, or was reading just the secondary posting, I can't remember because I ended up getting distracted by my cats. However, to think that someone is going to believe that I'm not intelligent enough (or literate enough) to post on my own behalf, oh, and that I'm a slave to a quivering mound of lard? It's truly a shame that someone can't provide any information to educate and inform without automatically being called a sock puppet (now I remember, that's what I was originally responding to, sock puppet), with apparently no mind of my own? Come on, you can make fun of my own bad habits and love for my cats, I don't have a problem with that, but let me at least be an independant person with my own opinions and voice. Just go with the idea that my main ambition is to become the 'cat lady' of my neighborhood, and you wouldn't be far off, altho my husband is the one to bring in the two female cats, I just brought in the two males, so it's not just me who increased our household. I'm going to have to learn how to post a video, I guess, because it sounds like some people are never going to believe that I can actually have an intelligent voice/opinion. ***Edit*** Ok, now I understand what happened. I was indeed quoting what I thought I was, but didn't realize at first that additional posts were made after I started this post. I didn't realize that it would show up under mine, where I could see it while typing. I'm referring to the following quote:
For the moment, I can't continue, because I'm getting yelled at by Calys, my original male cat, for not petting him enough while he's here at the table. I went ahead and took a sick day off today, because I'm not feeling great, so he's taking full advantage and telling me just how neglected he is. Oh yeah, all of the cats are completely neglected, they cluster around me almost the entire time I'm home. Calys gets me when I'm in bed, Marmie clamps onto me before I leave for work, and is the first one to be picked up when I get home, and Taz, well, bathrooms are her spot. Only Shakey leaves me alone, just beating his head against the wall at 5am in pursuit of the last brain cell he owns.
I'm rather saddened that I'm simply considered an extension of my husband, and couldn't possibly be my own person, but that's ok. Perhaps it will become clear that I can actually voice my own thoughts and opinions without being belittled as if we were in kindergarten. Gobucks, I really do hope that you realize that it's my choice as to whether I am with the so-called 'quivering mound of lard'. He's been my companion for years, and I've definitely not felt like I was a slave to anyone. It's my choice as to whether I work, since his disability is actually technically enough for us to live off of. It wouldn't leave us with much, but I really could quit working and dedicate all my time and effort to him. Instead, I do work, and yes, it would be nice to get more help from Joe and Kirk with the housework, but I'm not going to consider myself a slave simply because I have to do the same as many other women do, balance work and family and household.
Another post that I now have to respond to:
Sorry, but I know what he does, and have no problems with him posting, or gaming online or on our gaming consoles. In fact, his 'job' is to play the online game and do the tedious work on there, so that I can get on and simply play and enjoy the fun parts of the game. He makes the money on the game, so that I can spend it buying what I want to make my characters fun to play, without having to work on the background work that makes it possible for me to go out and enjoy myself.
Anyway, enough said, I'm sure I'll find out more about how I couldn't possibly be the person I am, simply because I actually love and stand by my husband.
Some of us are willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I am, simply because if you were actually your husband, your posts would have been spewing hatred and profanity towards the people here.
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I'm overweight myself, so I know a little bit about how it feels. It really is hard to lose weight, I doubt I have lost any this year. The tres leches cake in the fridge isn't going to eat itself. So while I might poke fun, or excoriate his politics, I actually do want him to lose the weight and get healthier. My problems are not exterior ulcers or those other problems mine are actually unrelated to my extra weight. I can get up and walk a mile without a problem, but I'm usually too lazy.
Well, thats why I'm overweight I guess. I am 6'2" and around 300. So when I stand up I am big but I don't have the folds or rolls or anything. I guess I can thank God for that too, because I hear those can actually get infected because they are hard to clean (?).
I think most of the roommate stuff was in jest anyway.
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Why do I have a feeling that the posts by "Jeanette" is just a Systematic Chaos sock puppet. :uhsure:
She doesn't have that much free time during the day.
Nah, I don't think Kirk can write like that. The style is different and the content is lightyears apart.
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The reason I mentioned sock puppet is because lardass hides the fact that he is on the computer all day. Why would he show her something about himself from another site where he admits to playing games while she is at work. If she had half a brain, she would question his activities all day. Lardass is not going to jeopardize that.
I say again. It's not her.
OK. That is an interesting point. Although I still doubt Kirk himself would be able to restrain himself this much. Maybe he got Joe to write it? lol.
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Some of us are willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I am, simply because if you were actually your husband, your posts would have been spewing hatred and profanity towards the people here.
That is true. That is why I think its not Kirk posting this. He could not restrain himself from calling out some of the more snide comments.
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The only two people who can write so interminably, so endlessly, so boringly, are Pitt, and the blubber blob. Jeanette is tied up in the boiler room, scamming old ladies by telephone to take a new credit card, or sign up for cell phone service, or buy some identity protection. She has no time for internet forums. When you're toiling away at $10/hr. to support two freeloaders, one of whom demands 20,000 calories per day to maintain his three-digit BMI, there can't be much energy left over for anything else. The blubber blob is posting here, trying to persuade you that he's the wifelet. The chance this poster is Jeanette the addled slave girl is zero.
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The only two people who can write so interminably, so endlessly, so boringly, are Pitt, and the blubber blob. Jeanette is tied up in the boiler room, scamming old ladies by telephone to take a new credit card, or sign up for cell phone service, or buy some identity protection. She has no time for internet forums. When you're toiling away at $10/hr. to support two freeloaders, one of whom demands 20,000 calories per day to maintain his three-digit BMI, there can't be much energy left over for anything else. The blubber blob is posting here, trying to persuade you that he's the wifelet. The chance this poster is Jeanette the addled slave girl is zero.
I dunno. Seems to me such a polar opposite to Godzilla, I just can't wrap my mind around him being able to "charm" us with this kind of cover story. The posts really are close to what I would expect from a poor soul in her predicament. You know like telling us she is happy, doesn't mind taking care of the "bloated one", still loves him, etc, etc..... How else could she explain her existence and feel good about it?
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Just my .02 worth - the cough he has may be from GERD (gastroesphageal reflux disease) or LPR (laryngopharyngeal reflux), especially if he coughs soon after he eats.
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I'm overweight myself, so I know a little bit about how it feels. It really is hard to lose weight, I doubt I have lost any this year. The tres leches cake in the fridge isn't going to eat itself. So while I might poke fun, or excoriate his politics, I actually do want him to lose the weight and get healthier. My problems are not exterior ulcers or those other problems mine are actually unrelated to my extra weight. I can get up and walk a mile without a problem, but I'm usually too lazy.
Well, thats why I'm overweight I guess. I am 6'2" and around 300. So when I stand up I am big but I don't have the folds or rolls or anything. I guess I can thank God for that too, because I hear those can actually get infected because they are hard to clean (?).
I think most of the roommate stuff was in jest anyway.
It is refreshing to see that someone can say that losing weight can be very difficult. I myself have a weight problem as well, altho 150 lbs is nowhere as bad as his 400+ lbs. I used to have such a problem fluctuating between 250 and 180, never getting below 175, but recently that has changed. With him, he does have problems with even simple excercise, such as walking for any length of time. Admitted, if he had a better center of gravity to provide more stability, then he could probably walk more without protective footwear. With his bowed legs, a genetic problem unrelated to weight, it's difficult for him to comfortably walk like many people. Our apartment is small, altho fairly large for the location and style, but it doesn't leave him with alot of floorspace to walk on. He can't go outside without shoes, and it's difficult for me to get his shoes on him, impossible for him to do so without my help. Our kitchen is a nightmare for him, because it's vinyl flooring, and with the tubigrip and no footwear, it's far too slippery for him to walk on without tremendous fear of falling. And if he falls, he's definitely going to damage his shoulders more, and potentially end up in the hospital.
People appear to have this mindset that, just because he's fat, it must mean he wants to stay fat. It kinda sounds to me that everyone thinks he's making excuses just to justify staying in his current situation, which doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me. But, if you want to believe that someone likes being in pain, unable to be independant, then I guess there's nothing I can say to change your mind. Hopefully he will be able to start losing more weight, we are always hopeful. Again, the cats are demanding attention, so I'm going to leave it at this point for now.
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It is refreshing to see that someone can say that losing weight can be very difficult. I myself have a weight problem as well, altho 150 lbs is nowhere as bad as his 400+ lbs. I used to have such a problem fluctuating between 250 and 180, never getting below 175, but recently that has changed. With him, he does have problems with even simple excercise, such as walking for any length of time. Admitted, if he had a better center of gravity to provide more stability, then he could probably walk more without protective footwear. With his bowed legs, a genetic problem unrelated to weight, it's difficult for him to comfortably walk like many people. Our apartment is small, altho fairly large for the location and style, but it doesn't leave him with alot of floorspace to walk on. He can't go outside without shoes, and it's difficult for me to get his shoes on him, impossible for him to do so without my help. Our kitchen is a nightmare for him, because it's vinyl flooring, and with the tubigrip and no footwear, it's far too slippery for him to walk on without tremendous fear of falling. And if he falls, he's definitely going to damage his shoulders more, and potentially end up in the hospital.
People appear to have this mindset that, just because he's fat, it must mean he wants to stay fat. It kinda sounds to me that everyone thinks he's making excuses just to justify staying in his current situation, which doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me. But, if you want to believe that someone likes being in pain, unable to be independant, then I guess there's nothing I can say to change your mind. Hopefully he will be able to start losing more weight, we are always hopeful. Again, the cats are demanding attention, so I'm going to leave it at this point for now.
Has he started to do a food log so to know pretty accuaretly what his caloric intake is?
The other thing that seems to be a given on many diet plans is a very large volume of water drank daily.
No offense intended to you and understand the friend thing but why can`t Joe help him get shoes on.
He seems to benefit from your good will so think it wouldn`t be a lot to ask.
I will confess that when Kirk wrote that he was waiting for you to get home from work to do dishes so that you could then cook Thanksgiving dinner it did make my blood boil...can`t help it but it did.
If he could participate in those house hold activities not only would it give him some exercise but also some esteem.
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It is refreshing to see that someone can say that losing weight can be very difficult.
People appear to have this mindset that, just because he's fat, it must mean he wants to stay fat. It kinda sounds to me that everyone thinks he's making excuses just to justify staying in his current situation, which doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me.
Those people do exist. Like the women who stay with abusive men or something. There are people, and this is probably a mental thing, who need "a thing" to blame their problems on or to have their life revolve around. I am not saying it is this with you guys of course. I find that when ever someone uses the term "everyone" does this or "all people" do that, its actually never true. Not everyone breathes on their own. There are people allergic to the sunlight and some to water.
I'm rambling now. heh. My biggest problems are with my eyesight and psoriasis, which is just plain ugly.
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Why do I have a feeling that the posts by "Jeanette" is just a Systematic Chaos sock puppet. :uhsure:
She doesn't have that much free time during the day.
He wouldn't do that, would he? Pretend to be his wife posting on a board, right after he warned us that he's keeping an eye on us now? It's perfectly natural that Jeanette would show up herself to respond to us, when LVL (excellent new name) is the subject material. I can't imagine him thinking he could pull one over on us and pretend Jeanette is enormously happy.
Honest.
:whatever:
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People appear to have this mindset that, just because he's fat, it must mean he wants to stay fat. It kinda sounds to me that everyone thinks he's making excuses just to justify staying in his current situation, which doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me. But, if you want to believe that someone likes being in pain, unable to be independant, then I guess there's nothing I can say to change your mind. Hopefully he will be able to start losing more weight, we are always hopeful. Again, the cats are demanding attention, so I'm going to leave it at this point for now.
No ma'am. I don't think he wants to stay fat anymore than my wife wanted to stay fat. She absolutely HATED being fat but until she finally made the decision to lose the weight ... she was what she was. What she was was a beautiful overweight woman who badly needed to lose the weight.
Kirk doesn't WANT to be fat ..... he just isn't ready to lose the weight. He MIGHT be the 1% who actually has a medical issue keeping him from losing it but I'll bet he isn't.
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Kirk doesn't WANT to be fat ..... he just isn't ready to lose the weight.
That probably applies to me too. I guess I need the motivation.
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I dunno. Seems to me such a polar opposite to Godzilla, I just can't wrap my mind around him being able to "charm" us with this kind of cover story. The posts really are close to what I would expect from a poor soul in her predicament. You know like telling us she is happy, doesn't mind taking care of the "bloated one", still loves him, etc, etc..... How else could she explain her existence and feel good about it?
Read his postings on the McDougalls site. He's civil. He has that ability in him.
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Has he started to do a food log so to know pretty accuaretly what his caloric intake is?
The other thing that seems to be a given on many diet plans is a very large volume of water drank daily.
No offense intended to you and understand the friend thing but why can`t Joe help him get shoes on.
He seems to benefit from your good will so think it wouldn`t be a lot to ask.
I will confess that when Kirk wrote that he was waiting for you to get home from work to do dishes so that you could then cook Thanksgiving dinner it did make my blood boil...can`t help it but it did.
If he could participate in those house hold activities not only would it give him some exercise but also some esteem.
Joe is also overweight and very reclusive. Many times, we don't see him for days, or we see him late at night. He's almost as heavy as Kirk, and wouldn't find it easy to help putting shoes on Kirk. Gotta remember, the shoes are hard for ME to put on Kirk, much less anyone else here. I'm the most agile and able bodied person in the house, and I have alot of difficulty with helping him, so I can't imagine that Joe would be able physically capable of helping Kirk put on shoes. I recently bought socks for up to size 16, and they wouldn't fit Kirk, even tho they are just socks. Can you imagine trying to fit size 15 shoes on him? It's really nearly impossible. And it's not like Kirk can go to the doctor anytime he wants.
With Joe, I really do wish that he would take advantage of being a veteran more. He's been able to get free health care and medical supplies sent to him, including a daily visit from a home health nurse for several months. He gets depressed, so he tends to eat and get more reclusive, cycling into a bad circle of depression, eating, staying more and more alone. He's gay as well, and not attracted to Kirk, and doesn't go out except with a female friend of his, once or twice a month. This means that he doesn't have alot of people to help keep him active or in a good mood, so there are times when we simply don't see him, like I said, for days, even a week or longer on a rare occasion. Kirk gets frustrated with Joe, because Joe is able to go outside, and he doesn't have to pay for any medical attention, which is not the case for Kirk.
Now, mind you, Joe is very generous with the medical supplies he receives, and he's helped us out plenty when a little cash helps us out. And if I ask him to do something, he generally does it, for a little while at least.
Now, as for a food journal, I can tell you exactly what he's had yesterday. He had two bags of Fresh and Easy herb salad, with approximately 1/4 cup of his salad dressing. I also made him a bowl of pasta with the tomato sauce I made, and a bowl of brown rice, again, with the tomato sauce I made. The tomato sauce had diced canned tomatoes with basil, oregano, garlic, onion, green, yellow, red, and orange bell pepper, and parsley. Most of the canned diced tomato was processed in a food processor so that it was more liquid. He also had some generic Crystal Light type peach tea, Arizona branded pomegranate tea, and a few cans of diet black cherry soda. And please, tell me that is, I think someone said he has to have been eating 10,000+ calories a day to prevent weight loss? The day before, he had almost exactly the same thing, but more rice than pasta, and he had a two liter of a generic diet soda, along with some tea again.
Please keep in mind, we don't have sweets in the house, except what Joe has, and I know how much there is of that stuff. I'm the one that knows where almost everything is, and prepares everything for Kirk. I'm figuring that we will likely have some veggie Subway sandwiches, which are lettuce, tomato, onion, mustard, pepper and oregano, and vinegar, on the whole wheat bun, two footlongs last a day for him. Oh, he also has olives (the only fatty item), and jalapenos and banana peppers on the side. The subs don't include any fat, and there is no cheese on them. Total calories can't be more than maybe 1,000 calories, you can even check with website to see what it's likely to be. Keep in mind, the subs listed on the website include cheese, which I decline when ordering. Tomorrow I'll probably pick up some refried canned beans, and make burritos with some tofu burger crumbles, which do contain some fat. That's pretty much the only fat that Kirk gets, is from the natural fat that already comes with his food (burger crumbles and tofu burgers are primary source), but we don't have that kind of stuff very often. Maybe once a week on average, if that.
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Do either of "you" have a job?
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I googled it Jeanette and while not definite is worth a look.
That much diet soda may not be good.
http://www.fitsugar.com/97904
http://www.drug3k.com/forum/Other-Health/Can-diet-soda-make-you-fat-5621.htm
Just something to look at.
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Jeanette, I beg of you. Please drastically reduce this amount of pasta, potatoes, and brown rice. I know it's cheap, but it's just going to sit on him, vegetarian or not. Please add in tuna, baked chicken breast, even lean beef. It's a much more satisfying meal and the protein is so much better for him. Those simple carbs wreck havoc on a diabetic. I have blood sugar issues myself and cannot eat a bagel without feeling "weird."
Take a chicken breast, cut it into bite size pieces. Sautee in your no-stick spray. Add in your tomato sauce and let simmer. Now, serve that over half the pasta Kirk used to get. Sprinkle on some parmesan, serve a side salad. Dinner can be delicious again, and that's good for the soul.
(I know what I'm talking about, I removed 50 lbs. off my husband cooking this way).
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Now, as for a food journal, I can tell you exactly what he's had yesterday.
He had two bags of Fresh and Easy herb salad,
with approximately 1/4 cup of his salad dressing.
a bowl of pasta with the tomato sauce I made, and
a bowl of brown rice, again, with the tomato sauce I made.
He also had some generic Crystal Light type peach tea,
Arizona branded pomegranate tea, and
a few cans of diet black cherry soda.
The day before, he had almost exactly the same thing, but more rice than pasta, and he had a two liter of a generic diet soda, along with some tea again.
I'm figuring that we will likely have some veggie Subway sandwiches, which are lettuce, tomato, onion, mustard, pepper and oregano, and vinegar, on the whole wheat bun, two footlongs last a day for him. Oh, he also has olives (the only fatty item), and jalapenos and banana peppers on the side. The subs don't include any fat, and there is no cheese on them. Total calories can't be more than maybe 1,000 calories, you can even check with website to see what it's likely to be. Keep in mind, the subs listed on the website include cheese, which I decline when ordering. Tomorrow I'll probably pick up some refried canned beans, and make burritos with some tofu burger crumbles, which do contain some fat. That's pretty much the only fat that Kirk gets, is from the natural fat that already comes with his food (burger crumbles and tofu burgers are primary source), but we don't have that kind of stuff very often. Maybe once a week on average, if that.
Jeanette. No, he only has to have about 4,000 calories a day to keep his weight on.
I have deleted a whole bunch of what you posted and left in what I felt you should be looking at. If you don't think that is a LOT of food for a human to eat in a day .... there is the problem. If I ate ONE footlong subway sandwich I wouldn't be able to eat the rest of the day yet you see no problem with Kirk eating two.....
I think what y'all need to realize is that while what he is eating may be low in calories if you eat a LOT of it those calories build up. Not to mention you are not conditioning yourself to eat 'normal portions'. That is the problem.
Think about what you have typed ..... does it really seem normal?
KC
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Do either of "you" have a job?
Other than a 2 month period on unemployment because my work site didn't have any openings, I've worked in Las vegas since 2003, when I moved here. I had a 2 week period without a job prior to that, but otherwise, I've been working since I met my husband. Now, I haven't always worked full-time, so there were times when I didn't bring in a full 40 hour a week paycheck, but I did go for a year with supporting myself, Joe, and Kirk on just my $1400 a month take home pay, with absolutely no additional income because we were waiting for disability to be approved. We didn't qualify for food stamps or other assistance because I made too much, but I had to cover medical expenses, as well as rent, utilities, and transportation, oh, and the medical bandages and supplies that insurance wouldn't cover.
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Total calories can't be more than maybe 1,000 calories, you can even check with website
You're right. I checked. Those veggie subs are 230 calories for a 6". That is 920 calories just for the sandwiches in a day. Add in the other stuff and voila! You have someone who is not going to lose weight. Not to mention will learn nothing of portion control.
I wish you and Kirk well but until y'all get a handle on some of that I don't think Kirk will be seeing the south side of 400#'s anytime in the near future. Once y'all get serious about it the postings Kirk does on what he eats will take on a new life.
Good luck!
Happy New Year.
KC
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Jeanette. No, he only has to have about 4,000 calories a day to keep his weight on.
I have deleted a whole bunch of what you posted and left in what I felt you should be looking at. If you don't think that is a LOT of food for a human to eat in a day .... there is the problem. If I ate ONE footlong subway sandwich I wouldn't be able to eat the rest of the day yet you see no problem with Kirk eating two.....
I think what y'all need to realize is that while what he is eating may be low in calories if you eat a LOT of it those calories build up. Not to mention you are not conditioning yourself to eat 'normal portions'. That is the problem.
Think about what you have typed ..... does it really seem normal?
KC
Actually, yes, I believe that is a good deal less food than he was eating when he was a lower weight. You may not be able to eat more than a footlong in a day and eat anything else, but I tend to believe you aren't looking at the contents of that footlong you are likely eating. It's going to likely include meat and cheese, which are more calorie and weight dense than a bunch of lettuce and other veggies. The densest part of the sandwich is the bread, a whole wheat bun. So having two footlong veggie subs with no cheese and little seasoning, that seems to be a reasonable amount of food for a day.
As far as the two bags of salad, they are salad only, no additional toppings, except for the modified 3-2-1 dressing I made for him. Rabbit food, in other words, to alot of people. Not a calorie dense food, and indeed, not a food that I would consider to be very filling either, due to the compacted contents not taking up alot of space in anyones stomach. The rice and pasta, when I'm talking about a bowl, I'm talking about a cereal bowl, able to handle about 2, maybe 3 cups of anything in them. Consider that a good 1/3-1/2 of the contents was the sauce, leaving only 1/2-2/3 contents the more dense rice or pasta, I don't think that was very much to eat at all.
Now, I have stopped buying soda, he's going to be drinking tea and related non-sweetened or non-sugared drinks with maybe a soda once in a while. He was drinking alot of sodas, so we are cutting him back drastically. He's aware of the potential health risks from diet sodas, and will be removing them almost entirely from his diet. Please understand, the water here tastes horrible, and Joe requested that we not add a water filter to the kitchen sink. So I have three pitchers of filtered water at all times, so that Kirk can have cold filtered water. The only bad thing is, the water can still taste pretty bad, even after being filtered, I personally can't drink filtered or non-filtered water without some kind of drink mix. I can drink bottled without a problem, if it's cold, but that's more money and more lugging things around, because we don't have a close bottle filter place nearby. We did at one time, but it wasn't kept clean enough, the water didn't taste like it was being properly filtered by the station.
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You're right. I checked. Those veggie subs are 230 calories for a 6". That is 920 calories just for the sandwiches in a day. Add in the other stuff and voila! You have someone who is not going to lose weight. Not to mention will learn nothing of portion control.
I wish you and Kirk well but until y'all get a handle on some of that I don't think Kirk will be seeing the south side of 400#'s anytime in the near future. Once y'all get serious about it the postings Kirk does on what he eats will take on a new life.
Good luck!
Happy New Year.
KC
What was the extra stuff? The calories you are quoting are with cheese, and I'm not sure how you can make the additional toppings equal another 3,000 calories? That is, after all, what I was just told would be required in order for him to not have lost weight, right? Sounds to me like he could actually eat a total of 8 footlong subs to equal that 4,000 calories, and given that he doesn't have cheese, he could probably squeeze in another 6 inch sub as well.
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What was the extra stuff? The calories you are quoting are with cheese, and I'm not sure how you can make the additional toppings equal another 3,000 calories? That is, after all, what I was just told would be required in order for him to not have lost weight, right? Sounds to me like he could actually eat a total of 8 footlong subs to equal that 4,000 calories, and given that he doesn't have cheese, he could probably squeeze in another 6 inch sub as well.
The other stuff would be things like .... drinking 2 liters of soda in a day. I'm sure there are other things in there as well. It adds up.
I think you are going to find he is eating too much. Sorry to be so blunt but it is what it is. I really, REALLY wish y'all well. My wife has been on her journey for 2 years so I know how it goes. It is NOT easy. Good Luck!
KC
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You seem pretty honest about what he eats and drinks. That much soda, even diet, cannot be good. Anyway, I can't say he should stop :-) , I'd be a hypocrite I guess. I am partial to regular Dr. Pepper myself. While a 2-ltr might seem crazy to some of the smaller guys on this forum, I know how it is, I can do that too.
If he, or I heh, could just replace the soda with water it would be a big improvement.
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Do either of "you" have a job?
Badcat has been missing class!
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Texacon has a good point. That is a lot of food. Its not much different from the way I eat sometimes though.
Of course Kirk has 130+ pounds on me.
Kirks' biggest problem is that he doesn't seem to have the right attitude. His journals always seem to blame other people and things for his problem.
Kirk, just say it, "I did this to myself. I can undo it". Once you really believe that, you are going to make some real progress.
I would think Jeanette would have been motivation enough.
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Jeanette, I beg of you. Please drastically reduce this amount of pasta, potatoes, and brown rice. I know it's cheap, but it's just going to sit on him, vegetarian or not. Please add in tuna, baked chicken breast, even lean beef. It's a much more satisfying meal and the protein is so much better for him. Those simple carbs wreck havoc on a diabetic. I have blood sugar issues myself and cannot eat a bagel without feeling "weird."
Take a chicken breast, cut it into bite size pieces. Sautee in your no-stick spray. Add in your tomato sauce and let simmer. Now, serve that over half the pasta Kirk used to get. Sprinkle on some parmesan, serve a side salad. Dinner can be delicious again, and that's good for the soul.
(I know what I'm talking about, I removed 50 lbs. off my husband cooking this way).
Yes! Absolutely! He also needs to stop with the 2 footlong subs a day! That is two loaves of bread for christ sake! Like i said before way too many carbs for a guy with his activity level! I'd cut his carbs down to about 30grams a day up the lean protein and i don't care how bad the water tastes he should be pushing about a half a gallon through his system a day.Do that and the weight will literally fall off in big chunks!
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The other stuff would be things like .... drinking 2 liters of soda in a day. I'm sure there are other things in there as well. It adds up.
I think you are going to find he is eating too much. Sorry to be so blunt but it is what it is. I really, REALLY wish y'all well. My wife has been on her journey for 2 years so I know how it goes. It is NOT easy. Good Luck!
KC
2 liters of no calorie diet soda? Sorry, but with zero calories, you will have to come up with the other 3,000+ calories elsewhere. Yes, there may be additional factors with the diet soda, but please don't try saying that he's drinking enough to make up that 3,000 calorie deficit. Even if the soda had calories, it would be less than 10 calories for each 2 liter... And as for the toppings, sorry, but 2 cups of lettuce, a whole tomato, half cup of onion, 2 tablespoons of vinegar and mustard each, a quarter cup each of banana peppers and jalapenos, and one loaf of bread, for each sub? How is that going to come to 4,000 calories, when that's all he's eating, and his drinks are no calorie diet tea, now that we don't even have any diet soda for him to drink.
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2 liters of no calorie diet soda? Sorry, but with zero calories, you will have to come up with the other 3,000+ calories elsewhere. Yes, there may be additional factors with the diet soda, but please don't try saying that he's drinking enough to make up that 3,000 calorie deficit. Even if the soda had calories, it would be less than 10 calories for each 2 liter... And as for the toppings, sorry, but 2 cups of lettuce, a whole tomato, half cup of onion, 2 tablespoons of vinegar and mustard each, a quarter cup each of banana peppers and jalapenos, and one loaf of bread, for each sub? How is that going to come to 4,000 calories, when that's all he's eating, and his drinks are no calorie diet tea, now that we don't even have any diet soda for him to drink.
Diet soda has alot of sodium in it which will cause him to retain water! The point is for the amount he is eating he isn't moving to burn it!
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Yes! Absolutely! He also needs to stop with the 2 footlong subs a day! That is two loaves of bread for christ sake! Like i said before way too many carbs for a guy with his activity level! I'd cut his carbs down to about 30grams a day up the lean protein and i don't care how bad the water tastes he should be pushing about a half a gallon through his system a day.Do that and the weight will literally fall off in big chunks!
I'm sorry, did I say that he was eating this everyday? I don't know where it's coming from, because it would sure be nice if he did eat a sub or two a day, like Jared, it would mean less cooking and prep-work for me. But, as I said before, this is not something we have daily, it's a treat to have a sub instead of eating the rice, pasta, potato and other sundry items daily. He gets about 4 cups of rice/pasta/potatoes, with the sauce (another 2-4 cups), since I've made this tasty sauce. That's per DAY, not per meal. And as I've also said, nobody is going to agree on the perfect diet, diets are going to vary by person, and what works for one person won't necessarily work for another. He's on a vegan diet, which means no meat, dairy, and other animal products. It does still incorporate protein and provides what he needs, his health is improving. Believe me, the ulcers are going down, his actual main problem is related to shoulder pain more than anything, other than the weight issue.
Anyway, off to get the subs, please tell me again, Where are the 4,000 calories? Oh, and I messed up on some calculations. I said that the bags of salad were a lb each, turns out they are 6.5 oz each, so he's getting a just over 13 oz of salad with those 2 bags. ***Edit*** And before someone says that Jared eats a 6 inch sub, he actually ate a footlong veggie, 6 inch turkey, and a bag of baked chips, to achieve his weight loss. Kirk is skipping the chips, and turkey, instead adding a second veggie footlong. So he's probably eating about what Jared ate. And Jared started at a slightly lower weight, with the ability to do some moderate excercise (walking), which Kirk isn't able to do. Kirk is using the bike, however, so maybe that will be close enough. Only thing is, he's not doing the sub everyday, so can't really compare... Verify this on wikipedia if you want.
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I'm sorry, did I say that he was eating this everyday? I don't know where it's coming from, because it would sure be nice if he did eat a sub or two a day, like Jared, it would mean less cooking and prep-work for me. But, as I said before, this is not something we have daily, it's a treat to have a sub instead of eating the rice, pasta, potato and other sundry items daily. He gets about 4 cups of rice/pasta/potatoes, with the sauce (another 2-4 cups), since I've made this tasty sauce. That's per DAY, not per meal. And as I've also said, nobody is going to agree on the perfect diet, diets are going to vary by person, and what works for one person won't necessarily work for another. He's on a vegan diet, which means no meat, dairy, and other animal products. It does still incorporate protein and provides what he needs, his health is improving. Believe me, the ulcers are going down, his actual main problem is related to shoulder pain more than anything, other than the weight issue.
Anyway, off to get the subs, please tell me again, Where are the 4,000 calories? Oh, and I messed up on some calculations. I said that the bags of salad were a lb each, turns out they are 6.5 oz each, so he's getting a just over 13 oz of salad with those 2 bags.
Again...He is eating too many carbohydrates!!!!!!! The man doesn't have the activity level to burn it!
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Jeanette. I think you are answering your own question and don't want to know the answer. Indeed .... where are the calories coming from? You THINK you know what your man is eating.
My wife is going to set up an account here just to answer some of your questions because your answers have frustrated her to no end.
Do your own research and I think you will find that the fat has to have fuel. How much fuel? Where is it coming from? Let's be realistic for just a minute ...... If Kirk were to stop eating completely do you think he would gain weight? If not ... why? If he were to lose weight then at what point would his caloric intake allow him to lose or gain weight? Those are important questions.
My wife may be able to help you. She is in a unique situation to answer some questions because 1.) She has lost around 70 #'s and maintained over the last 2 years and 2.) She works with those who are addicted. Kirk has an addiction and addicts have tendencies to lie and hide their addictions. Those are stone cold facts.
Would Kirk be willing to video what he ate 24/7? I mean really catalog what he is eating? I have seen shows where they have done this and 100% of the people doing the honest thing lost weight. Not 99.9% but 100%. Wonder why that is?
KC
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Jeanette, you say that Kirk's diet is all vegan, so no meat or dairy. Thus, my suggestion is rejected. That's fine, but I don't see where he's getting the protein from. Vegans know that certain plant foods must be combined precisely to get a perfect protein (beans and corn for example). It's not easy to do, and it doesn't come from eating bowls of pasta.
The kinds of carbo eating you and Kirk describe are what marathon runners do the day before a race to "carbo-load." It is not for the sedentary, recumbent bike or not.
This gulag-type diet is going to eventually result in Kirk being like Scarlett O'Hara, digging in the dirt, crying "As God is my witness, I'll never be hungry again!" And then he won't be. This diet is soul-crushing. Look at the numbers chart he's published. It's not working. It's more plateau than anything else.
Why not go to the library and check out some cookbooks that feature low fat, yet satisfying and attractive recipes? Start with "Moosewood" which is an Inn in Vermont, I think, which specializes in vegetarian dishes which are delicious enough to be marketable. Also Martin Katahn's "Low Fat Good Food Cookbook." Those are the books I read to remove 50 lbs. from my husband.
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One thing that I do think too is that some sort of slip on footwear that can be put on easily needs to be looked into.
Kirk is a diabetic with lower leg ulceration which is a nasty side affect.
It sounds like a large portion of the day is spent sitting which will compound the circulation problems diabetics have.
I really think somehow he needs to get walking around a lot more even though the bike is a good start.
I don`t mean it to sound critical Jeanette but I notice that the word can`t has slipped into the scheme of things,even in your writing.
That needs to be a seldom used word to get anywhere.
We may all disagree strongly on politics but we also all would like to see Kirk get control of his life and be able to be productive.
It would make your time together so much happier just being able to go outside and take a walk together not just helping remove some of the burdens that have been on you.
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You guys don't actually think that this "her" is not the obese "he"?
C'mon, what are the odds that fat asses wife is as bloviant online as he is?
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You guys don't actually think that this "her" is not the obese "he"?
C'mon, what are the odds that fat asses wife is as bloviant online as he is?
Not very good odds, but for the while I'm giving the benefit of the doubt.
Remember, primitives trip themselves up, all by themselves with no help from anybody else, sooner or later.
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Not very good odds, but for the while I'm giving the benefit of the doubt.
Remember, primitives trip themselves up, all by themselves with no help from anybody else, sooner or later.
You can google the screen name and it does equate to the family although not assured it is her.
On edit...
I should have added that even if it was "him" so be it.
He will find more true support here then at the DUmp.
Folks really want him to succeed if he wants to,not just feel good for trying or saying you are.
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You can google the screen name and it does equate to the family although not assured it is her.
Regardless of whether it is he or she, it is one of them. And one of them is reading the advice you guys are putting out there.
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Regardless of whether it is he or she, it is one of them. And one of them is reading the advise you guys are putting out there.
I don't nitpick about spelling, but I think that's 'advice'. An ad-vise sounds like you are being held down and forced to watch commercial television.
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I don't nitpick about spelling, but I think that's 'advice'. An ad-vise sounds like you are being held down and forced to watch commercial television.
DANG! Appreciate the heads up. Don't know how that happened. :thatsright:
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DANG! Appreciate the heads up. Don't know how that happened. :thatsright:
It does not really bother me, I just thought ad-vise sounded funny.