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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: Rebel on March 31, 2009, 05:32:46 PM
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Guess I'll bring it here as well.
Carton of Marlboro Ultra Lights in Augusta before Obama--------------28.99
Carton of Marlboro Ultra Lights in Augusta after Obama's 71 days------49.99
Obama can go **** himself along with the liberals who support this shit. Where do you think they'll turn when people stop smoking? Think they'll just accept that lowered amount of taxes?
Question, say a person opens up their own cigarette-making shop in, say, Augusta. However, they only sell to Georgians. The guy owns the tobacco fields, small factory, and storefront.
Can any of you tell me how it's constitutional for the Federal government to impose taxes on this business that doesn't sell or trade interstate?
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Glad I quit when I did. 12 years and going strong.
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The funny part is that they are doing this at THE SAME TIME they are pushing to allow the FDA to regulate the amount of nicotine in cigarettes so that they can, guess what?, REDUCE IT.
Thus provoking addicts to purchase MORE of the product that they are taxing the shit out of.
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Georgia must have lower tobacco prices.
Here in the Sandhills of Nebraska--
Carton of Marlboro Ultra Light 100s pre-0bumble: $35.00
Carton of Marlboro Ultra Light 100s in the 0bumblereich: $54.00
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Here in Gods country Eastern NC
pre thumpy $24 carton for Winstons
post thumpy $32 carton for Winstons
Did notice Marlboro's were $39.99
And now our Govenor Bev Perdue wants to add $1/pack also
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Well, if this isn't an incentive to quit smoking....I don't know what is... :bolt:
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Ouch!!! *marks down Dad and Brother for cigs at Christmas. Yikes that's high!
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Great, that's all we need here...more Massholes.
FWIW, they have the highest taxes, just behind NY and NJ. NH is comparatively cheap at a state tax over a dollar a pack less than MA, but current prices are still at $45-50 a carton for name-brand smokes. Now we'll be looking at $60 or more, and still cheapest in New England.
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I don't smoke - I never have, but I do have sympathy for those who do - and like I mentioned in another thread about Obama V1.0, Deval Patrick, the sin taxes have gone totally overboard.
A long time ago , until april 14 of 1997, I ran a convenience store. A full price pack of cigs in Massachusetts at that time was $2.47, and the discount brands varied between $1.79 and $1.99. There was almost always one full price brand on sale, with a .50 instant coupon, bringing it to just under 2 bucks a pack. If one wasn't brand loyal, one could do alright with pricing.
This is just 12 years ago.
As of today, full price now hovers around this..
(http://images.townnews.com/itemlive.com/content/articles/2009/03/31/news/news01.jpg)
and after Obama adds his bit, its estimated that a single pack will top out around 9 bucks a pack.
Read article picture is linked from here (http://www.itemlive.com/articles/2009/03/31/news/news01.txt)
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I buy mine online and support the Native Americans :-)
Though looking at your prices, I pay 44 for Merit 100 lights. Includes NY tax and shipping.
I won't post the link because minors might be reading :innocent:
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I buy mine online and support the Native Americans :-)
Though looking at your prices, I pay 44 for Merit 100 lights. Includes NY tax and shipping.
I won't post the link because minors might be reading :innocent:
Minors don't have credit cards.
:evillaugh:
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I have smoked about 1-1/2 packs a day for 45+ years. I have tried acupuncture, hypnosis, chantix and the patch--none worked. I bought the e-cigarette and now I "vape." I haven't had a cigarette since last Thursday.
http://www.viddler.com/explore/Spikey47/videos/4/
I purchased the Dura-C and the Extended KissBox here: http://jantyusa.com/index.php
Amazingly, I have little desire for a cigarette. I refuse to pay one more dime in taxes.
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Tell ya what, for ever dollar I spend on cigarettes, I'm gonna match it for firearms.
This is in my sights:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Romanian_PSL-54C_7.62x54R_Rifle.html
and the ammo? Cheap:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Czech_7.62x54R_Light_Ball.html
I already have a few Mosin Nagant's so this ammo should come in handy. Bought my last MN today.
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Minors don't have credit cards.
:evillaugh:
They only take eChecks or MO's.....very easy for minors to get :) But photo i.d. is required for first delivery.
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I have smoked about 1-1/2 packs a day for 45+ years. I have tried acupuncture, hypnosis, chantix and the patch--none worked. I bought the e-cigarette and now I "vape." I haven't had a cigarette since last Thursday.
http://www.viddler.com/explore/Spikey47/videos/4/
I purchased the Dura-C and the Extended KissBox here: http://jantyusa.com/index.php
Amazingly, I have little desire for a cigarette. I refuse to pay one more dime in taxes.
Great info, thanks!
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Great info, thanks!
Here is a forum that offers all kinds of info. This is the review section. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/electronic-cigarette-reviews/
The KissBox can be used with the USB pass-through that comes with the Extended KissBox. You can purchase the Kensington power pack so it is portable with a battery that lasts a couple of days as opposed to several hours. Scroll down for explanation and link to model number. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/8179-kensington-portable-power-pack-review.html
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Question, say a person opens up their own cigarette-making shop in, say, Augusta. However, they only sell to Georgians. The guy owns the tobacco fields, small factory, and storefront.
Can any of you tell me how it's constitutional for the Federal government to impose taxes on this business that doesn't sell or trade interstate?
Can anyone answer this?
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Can anyone answer this?
Who picks your tobacco and processes it? Do you pay them? Aren't you required to withhold FICA tax? Isn't there a requirement regarding say OSHA and a factory? What about Business ID? How did you get a storefront? IIRC even bartering is technically taxable. I can't expressly answer your question but I see road blocks that are in your way.
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Who picks your tobacco and processes it? Do you pay them? Aren't you required to withhold FICA tax? Isn't there a requirement regarding say OSHA and a factory? What about Business ID? How did you get a storefront? IIRC even bartering is technically taxable. I can't expressly answer your question but I see road blocks that are in your way.
That was hypothetical, Swan, but when in the HELL did it become the Damn federal government's concern when it comes to in-state commerce?
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That was hypothetical, Swan, but when in the HELL did it become the Damn federal government's concern when it comes to in-state commerce?
Not funny but I used to get ticked off because business could use out of state employees (who spent their earned dollars out of state) and I, as a private citizen, could not purchase my cigarettes out of state without paying taxes to my state. Some old ATF law that was dragged up by someone from Wisconsin if I recall. My state went after internet sales and collected taxes not paid.
Actually, I believe taxes are levied against business and not individuals. Is this not what all those who believe they can get away without paying taxes believe?
Government needs to get out of the way and out of our lives.
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Not funny but I used to get ticked off because business could use out of state employees (who spent their earned dollars out of state) and I, as a private citizen, could not purchase my cigarettes out of state without paying taxes to my state. Some old ATF law that was dragged up by someone from Wisconsin if I recall. My state went after internet sales and collected taxes not paid.
Actually, I believe taxes are levied against business and not individuals. Is this not what all those who believe they can get away without paying taxes believe?
Government needs to get out of the way and out of our lives.
I don't believe in the ATF at all. There is NO ****ing reason I should be paying more to the Fed than my state. They have TWO Damn reasons for existing, the regulation of interstate commerce and the national defense of the nation. That's it. That's constitutional. The shit they're doing now? I view as unconstitutional. It's gonna take some state legislators with some BALLS to stop it. To stand up and reaffirm our state sovereignty under the 10th Amendment.
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Several states have reinstated their sovereignty but do we know why or what they intend to do because of it?
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Several states have reinstated their sovereignty but do we know why or what they intend to do because of it?
I'm ready for a governor to stand up and say, "That's it. Show us the bill for these two constitutionally-mandated duties of the federal government and we'll allow our citizens to pay income taxes. Other than that, you're not getting a cent.".
Hell, I need to run for Ga Governor on that point alone.
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I'm ready for a governor to stand up and say, "That's it. Show us the bill for these two constitutionally-mandated duties of the federal government and we'll allow our citizens to pay income taxes. Other than that, you're not getting a cent.".
Hell, I need to run for Ga Governor on that point alone.
Don't you think they are more interested in what they are getting via the feds from our pockets along with what they steal from us at the state level? I don't think any of the politicians State or Federal care a damn about the country anymore. It is all self-interest and what to do to get re-elected.
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Don't you think they are more interested in what they are getting via the feds from our pockets along with what they steal from us at the state level? I don't think any of the politicians State or Federal care a damn about the country anymore. It is all self-interest and what to do to get re-elected.
What they get from the feds? You don't see anything wrong with that? What they get from the FEDS!? Where does the Fed get their money? From the STATES citizens.
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Several states have reinstated their sovereignty but do we know why or what they intend to do because of it?
Sadly, these states are doing nothing more than symbolic gestures and will fold as soon as the federal government says, "You want soverignity? Fine--no more federal dollars for you, then!"
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What they get from the feds? You don't see anything wrong with that? What they get from the FEDS!? Where does the Fed get their money? From the STATES citizens.
Very true. But to be fair (or at least brutally honest) the average citizen doesn't know or care how the money gets from THEIR pocket to the treasury via taxes, and unless self-employed, aren't in much of a position to stop said taxes from being sent to the treasury via their employer and the banking system.
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Guess I'll bring it here as well.
Carton of Marlboro Ultra Lights in Augusta before Obama--------------28.99
Carton of Marlboro Ultra Lights in Augusta after Obama's 71 days------49.99
Obama can go **** himself along with the liberals who support this shit. Where do you think they'll turn when people stop smoking? Think they'll just accept that lowered amount of taxes?
Question, say a person opens up their own cigarette-making shop in, say, Augusta. However, they only sell to Georgians. The guy owns the tobacco fields, small factory, and storefront.
Can any of you tell me how it's constitutional for the Federal government to impose taxes on this business that doesn't sell or trade interstate?
I don't support these taxes because I think those who want to be sell it illegally will be empowered somehow. Some say it's not possible, but I can think of some ways it can be done.
I'm also thinking to myself that Obama claimed he wouldn't tax the poor. Well, he is taxing the poor. This document discusses how in many countries, it's the poor who buy tobacco.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:lQriIFVVFQ0J:wbb.globalink.org/public/poverty_factsheet.pdf+tobacco+%2B+poverty&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
I would like it if the poor would empower themselves and tell RJR and Obama to piss off, but I know that won't happen in most cases. And yes, I know rich people smoke too. Statistically speaking, it seems poor people smoke more.
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Well, if this isn't an incentive to quit smoking....I don't know what is... :bolt:
I know people who can't breath, but they don't see it as a good enough incentive to quit smoking.
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They could pass a law to tax every pack $100.00 and it would enjoy overwhelming public support. The population of righteous anti-smokers is huge, and militant.
Then they'll come for our booze, then our Doritos, etc. Maybe when they tax twinkies at 250%, the people will wake up. Nah - probably not until they come after the coffee.
I did pick up a helpful link on DU when I was reading one of their threads about this:
http://www.dutyfreedepot.com/
(Thanks, you traitorous Captains of Irony)
edited to correct a dreadful spelling error.
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If you have a back yard and live in a decent climate you can grow tobacco pretty easily. Both of my families in Kentucky grew tobacco but strangely enough both of my grandfathers bought their smoking tobacco. I guess the straight from the ground, dried, ground kind is pretty strong and not at all pleasant to smoke.
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Maybe the FDA will just rule that nicotine is a controlled substance and start requiring a prescription for it. They should just outlaw it altogether, but the government couldn't stand to lose the tax revenue. That is the only reason it has not been outright banned already.
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What they get from the feds? You don't see anything wrong with that? What they get from the FEDS!? Where does the Fed get their money? From the STATES citizens.
Rebel, That is exactly what I was saying but I guess I wasn't too clear or something. It always amazes me when a city will say that building this here riverwalk won't cost us a thing (because they have gotten a grant). Well, it cost me something and it will continue to cost me something to maintain it.
Same thing with building new schools. They float a bond issue and it's only a few mills more. They hire an architect and build a sprawling beauty and then complain because it costs so much to heat. The bond issue didn't cover that nor the maintenance for the two pools and parking lots for kids cars. We could go on and on. No matter where they get the money it comes out of our pockets either via local, state or federal taxes. And sometimes it doesn't even matter if the issue was voted down locally--they override it and do it anyway. 911 is a perfect example.
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I had spoken with a friend about this and also read it around the innerwbz.....
it appears that rolling your own is becoming the "in" thing to do with smokers. The initial cost is a little less than two cartons of production cigs, but then, the cost dies down to somewhere around $10/ carton.