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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2008 => Topic started by: BadCat on February 13, 2008, 09:51:27 AM
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He has electrolytes.
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The guy is a full blown socialist. That's why he has the most liberal voting record (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2Y5YTJjNDM4N2VhZDY1NDAxMjE0OGFlNzUzYWY3Yzk=). There was an interview he did and he "explained" why that was.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8457_Page2.html
JH: Senator, you were ranked recently by National Journal as having the most liberal voting record as having the most liberal voting record in 2007. That prompts a question from Politico reader Don Mousch (sp.?) or Norwell (sp.), Mass. He wants to know what they liberal record should give us confidence that you can reach across the aisle and get things done in Washington.
BO: Well, first of all, not to grouse against the National Journal, but let me give you an example of why I was rated the most liberal was because I wanted an office of public integrity that stood outside of the Senate, and outside of Congress, to make sure that you’ve got an impartial eye on ethics problems inside of Congress. Now, I didn’t know that it was a liberal or Democratic issue. I thought that was a good government issue that a lot of Republicans would like to see. So that’s the problem with some of these ratings – how they score things. It uses categories that I think don’t make sense to a lot of Americans.
LH: Well, are you proud of that designation? To be known as the most liberal voting senator?
BO: I don’t think you heard what I just said, which is that the designations don’t make sense
JH: Michael Dukakis said, “Yes, I’m proud to be a liberal.†Bill Clinton said, “No we can’t cast ourselves as liberals.†Are you comfortable with the liberal label?
BO: This is what I would call old politics. This is the stuff we’re trying to get rid of. Because the problem is, when we start breaking down into conservative and liberal, and we’ve got a bunch of set predispositions, whether it’s on gun control, or its’ on health care, any attempt to do health care is socialized medicine. Any discuss about taxes ends up being, are you raising them or lowering them, as the opposed to the question I ask – are we raising them for high income individuals that can afford it, and lowering them for lower income people who really need help. Those old categories don’t work, and they’re preventing us from solving them problems.
Sounds more like charismatic non sensical bullshit to me, but the voters are idiots. "Oh! He speaks so purty!!!!" and they'll vote for him. :banghead:
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I guess "a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage" just doesn't do it anymore. Now it's "a check in every mailbox and a free doctor on every corner".
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BO: Well, first of all, not to grouse against the National Journal, but let me give you an example of why I was rated the most liberal was because I wanted an office of public integrity that stood outside of the Senate, and outside of Congress, to make sure that you’ve got an impartial eye on ethics problems inside of Congress. Now, I didn’t know that it was a liberal or Democratic issue. I thought that was a good government issue that a lot of Republicans would like to see. So that’s the problem with some of these ratings – how they score things. It uses categories that I think don’t make sense to a lot of Americans.
Hussein Obama lies like a rug. What he is talking about here isn't even mentioned in the NJ explanation that I can find.
From NJ: Overall in NJ's 2007 ratings, Obama voted the liberal position on 65 of the 66 key votes on which he voted; Clinton voted the liberal position 77 of 82 times. Obama garnered perfect liberal scores in both the economic and social categories. His score in the foreign-policy category was nearly perfect, pulled down a notch by the only conservative vote that he cast in the ratings, on a Republican-sponsored resolution expressing the sense of Congress that funding should not be cut off for U.S. troops in harm's way. The Senate passed the resolution 82-16 with the support of both Obama and Clinton. The 16 opponents included mostly liberals, such as Sens. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., and Sanders.
I cannot imagine a liberal telling lies and slandering the truth in order to hide who he is. Can you? ::)
http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/
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I wonder if the members on this board that said they refuse to vote for McCain will stay home now?
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I wonder if the members on this board that said they refuse to vote for McCain will stay home now?
Only the ones that want a Socialist State.
I am holding my nose and will slam McAmnesty when I can -- IN ORDER TO GET HIM TO CHANGE HIS POSITIONS. But when it comes down to it, he will be much better than hussein.
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I wonder if the members on this board that said they refuse to vote for McCain will stay home now?
I have already said I can't do it, stay home I mean. There is just too much at stake. It just pisses me off that I have to vote for McCain.
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Hussein Obama lies like a rug. What he is talking about here isn't even mentioned in the NJ explanation that I can find. I cannot imagine a liberal telling lies and slandering the truth in order to hide who he is. Can you? ::)
Yeah I don't know why he would run from that Liberal moniker anyway. Unless he just prefers being called a Socialist.
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Hussein Obama lies like a rug. What he is talking about here isn't even mentioned in the NJ explanation that I can find. I cannot imagine a liberal telling lies and slandering the truth in order to hide who he is. Can you? ::)
Yeah I don't know why he would run from that Liberal moniker anyway. Unless he just prefers being called a Socialist.
The new term is "progressive". I think it's more like regressive... they wanna regress back into 1920's U.S.S.R.
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I wonder if the members on this board that said they refuse to vote for McCain will stay home now?
I have already said I can't do it, stay home I mean. There is just too much at stake. It just pisses me off that I have to vote for McCain.
I don't like it any more than you do but I'm glad to see that most aren't willing to cut off their nose to spite their face.
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As much as it will pain me to pull the lever for McRINO in November, half is better than none.
Then again, there are enough idiots out there cancelling my vote out for "free" stuff from "da gub'mint" that Obama has promised them, never mind the fact it only comes at the price of their immortal souls.
Bread and circuses, anyone?
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last night's speech was a departure from his normal poems/sermons in two ways; first, he went after "mccain/bush", and second, it contained something resembling specifics. and yes, all three of them were pretty damned scary.
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I'm in the "hold my nose and vote for a RINO" camp. NcCain is a pro-lifer, and it would follow that he would appoint judges that are also pro-life. Pro-life judges tend to be conservative in other areas, too.
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1) Barrack Hussein Obama will never be president. His name alone precludes him from having any chance at all.
2) If by some fluke of nature he is president he will not cut and run. They talk the talk to their leftist base, but there is no way in hell they will actually do it. Campaign lies, you can start collecting them now as 99.9% of the crap they try to sell will never happen.
3) The man has absolutely nothing of substance to say or stand for, but he is a very gifted speaker. I have been a political junkie my entire life -- speakers like Obama are not your everyday occurence. He is dangerous in that regard only.
If he gets the nomination then the entire GOP will have to stay home for him to win. If Clinton gets the nomination the GOP will vote in force to keep her out of office. McCain will be disillusioned they were voting for him with a mandate -- but the mandate will be "anyone but Clinton."
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1) Barrack Hussein Obama will never be president. His name alone precludes him from having any chance at all.
2) If by some fluke of nature he is president he will not cut and run. They talk the talk to their leftist base, but there is no way in hell they will actually do it. Campaign lies, you can start collecting them now as 99.9% of the crap they try to sell will never happen.
3) The man has absolutely nothing of substance to say or stand for, but he is a very gifted speaker. I have been a political junkie my entire life -- speakers like Obama are not your everyday occurence. He is dangerous in that regard only.
If he gets the nomination then the entire GOP will have to stay home for him to win. If Clinton gets the nomination the GOP will vote in force to keep her out of office. McCain will be disillusioned they were voting for him with a mandate -- but the mandate will be "anyone but Clinton."
I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but Obama definitely has a gift; I have a conservative neighbor who says he wants 'change' and will most likely vote for Obama just based on that 'change' mantra alone. I think I need to find Rush's new parody of Obama where he fumbles around just inserting the word 'change' into all his speeches and doesnt say much of anything else. The crowd goes wild and he thinks he's really smart, but .. unless the libs are able to change the entire House and Senate, Obama will not get any 'change' at all.
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1) Barrack Hussein Obama will never be president. His name alone precludes him from having any chance at all.
2) If by some fluke of nature he is president he will not cut and run. They talk the talk to their leftist base, but there is no way in hell they will actually do it. Campaign lies, you can start collecting them now as 99.9% of the crap they try to sell will never happen.
3) The man has absolutely nothing of substance to say or stand for, but he is a very gifted speaker. I have been a political junkie my entire life -- speakers like Obama are not your everyday occurence. He is dangerous in that regard only.
If he gets the nomination then the entire GOP will have to stay home for him to win. If Clinton gets the nomination the GOP will vote in force to keep her out of office. McCain will be disillusioned they were voting for him with a mandate -- but the mandate will be "anyone but Clinton."
I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but Obama definitely has a gift; I have a conservative neighbor who says he wants 'change' and will most likely vote for Obama just based on that 'change' mantra alone. I think I need to find Rush's new parody of Obama where he fumbles around just inserting the word 'change' into all his speeches and doesnt say much of anything else. The crowd goes wild and he thinks he's really smart, but .. unless the libs are able to change the entire House and Senate, Obama will not get any 'change' at all.
A lot of the idiotic voting public who shouldn't be driving, let alone voting, have fallen prey to Obama's nice shiny smile and his empty rhetoric of "change". Change can mean a lot of things... let's take the state of the nation for example. Let's see... the economy is in a downturn, but it naturally does so every few years or so. Does Obama wanna "change" this to depression 90% of the time and good economic times here and there? We have the best quality of health care in this nation. I'm sure Obama would love to change it so we're on par health care wise with Cuba and patients are sitting in their own shit most of the time. We are winning in the war against terrorism...particularly in Iraq. A big "change", our troops leave, Iraq goes back to a tyrannical dictatorship and we lose an ally. That's the big one right there.
So next time ya talk to your neighbor about politics, or anybody for that matter having an Obamagasm.... ask them what they mean by "change".
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Yes, this idea of "change" for the sake of it scares the crap out of me! I've listened to Barackstar a number of times and he's clearly coming off like a cult leader promising the masses rainbows and lollipops. They don't realize that in the end, we will all be forced to sip from the poisioned flavor-aide. Scary.
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1) Barrack Hussein Obama will never be president. His name alone precludes him from having any chance at all.
2) If by some fluke of nature he is president he will not cut and run. They talk the talk to their leftist base, but there is no way in hell they will actually do it. Campaign lies, you can start collecting them now as 99.9% of the crap they try to sell will never happen.
3) The man has absolutely nothing of substance to say or stand for, but he is a very gifted speaker. I have been a political junkie my entire life -- speakers like Obama are not your everyday occurence. He is dangerous in that regard only.
If he gets the nomination then the entire GOP will have to stay home for him to win. If Clinton gets the nomination the GOP will vote in force to keep her out of office. McCain will be disillusioned they were voting for him with a mandate -- but the mandate will be "anyone but Clinton."
I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but Obama definitely has a gift; I have a conservative neighbor who says he wants 'change' and will most likely vote for Obama just based on that 'change' mantra alone. I think I need to find Rush's new parody of Obama where he fumbles around just inserting the word 'change' into all his speeches and doesnt say much of anything else. The crowd goes wild and he thinks he's really smart, but .. unless the libs are able to change the entire House and Senate, Obama will not get any 'change' at all.
A lot of the idiotic voting public who shouldn't be driving, let alone voting, have fallen prey to Obama's nice shiny smile and his empty rhetoric of "change". Change can mean a lot of things... let's take the state of the nation for example. Let's see... the economy is in a downturn, but it naturally does so every few years or so. Does Obama wanna "change" this to depression 90% of the time and good economic times here and there? We have the best quality of health care in this nation. I'm sure Obama would love to change it so we're on par health care wise with Cuba and patients are sitting in their own shit most of the time. We are winning in the war against terrorism...particularly in Iraq. A big "change", our troops leave, Iraq goes back to a tyrannical dictatorship and we lose an ally. That's the big one right there.
So next time ya talk to your neighbor about politics, or anybody for that matter having an Obamagasm.... ask them what they mean by "change".
i just sent the neighbor's wife WEs "Obamameter" page about how much money Obama wants to spend in his first term... that might open their eyes a bit. they are struggling to manage with a new house (just moved here from San Fran) and a toddler and a newborn. when the wife goes back to work, the daycare payments alone every month are staggering.
they arent all that politcally saavy ... but i send them things every now and then. :-)
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1) Barrack Hussein Obama will never be president. His name alone precludes him from having any chance at all.
2) If by some fluke of nature he is president he will not cut and run. They talk the talk to their leftist base, but there is no way in hell they will actually do it. Campaign lies, you can start collecting them now as 99.9% of the crap they try to sell will never happen.
3) The man has absolutely nothing of substance to say or stand for, but he is a very gifted speaker. I have been a political junkie my entire life -- speakers like Obama are not your everyday occurence. He is dangerous in that regard only.
If he gets the nomination then the entire GOP will have to stay home for him to win. If Clinton gets the nomination the GOP will vote in force to keep her out of office. McCain will be disillusioned they were voting for him with a mandate -- but the mandate will be "anyone but Clinton."
I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but Obama definitely has a gift; I have a conservative neighbor who says he wants 'change' and will most likely vote for Obama just based on that 'change' mantra alone. I think I need to find Rush's new parody of Obama where he fumbles around just inserting the word 'change' into all his speeches and doesnt say much of anything else. The crowd goes wild and he thinks he's really smart, but .. unless the libs are able to change the entire House and Senate, Obama will not get any 'change' at all.
A lot of the idiotic voting public who shouldn't be driving, let alone voting, have fallen prey to Obama's nice shiny smile and his empty rhetoric of "change". Change can mean a lot of things... let's take the state of the nation for example. Let's see... the economy is in a downturn, but it naturally does so every few years or so. Does Obama wanna "change" this to depression 90% of the time and good economic times here and there? We have the best quality of health care in this nation. I'm sure Obama would love to change it so we're on par health care wise with Cuba and patients are sitting in their own shit most of the time. We are winning in the war against terrorism...particularly in Iraq. A big "change", our troops leave, Iraq goes back to a tyrannical dictatorship and we lose an ally. That's the big one right there.
So next time ya talk to your neighbor about politics, or anybody for that matter having an Obamagasm.... ask them what they mean by "change".
i just sent the neighbor's wife WEs "Obamameter" page about how much money Obama wants to spend in his first term... that might open their eyes a bit. they are struggling to manage with a new house (just moved here from San Fran) and a toddler and a newborn. when the wife goes back to work, the daycare payments alone every month are staggering.
they arent all that politcally saavy ... but i send them things every now and then. :-)
Well, them being informed with surely help them financially and politically. Kudos to ya for that.
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I think it's mostly a matter of not knowing what the guy is all about just yet.
Remember the Democratic National Convention four years ago? He did give a great speech, but nobody remembers what he said. I bet if we looked it up online, it was not what is our best interest as a country; its what best for them as the liberal party. I should actually find that speech and re-read it to see what he said that was so 'staggeringly brilliant' ... so far, the guy is a major spender on things the majority of us dont need.
if McCain's guys arent willing to attack Obama on those issues, then I sure as hell hope McCain will..
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I knew this guy was a full blown socialist 3 years ago when he made his big speech after becoming a senator. A DUmmie posted that speech, and you should heard the outrage when I called him what he is, a socialist. You'd have thought I called them the N word or something. For some reason, DUmmies are in total denial about what they are.
Anyone else notice that Obama's initials are BO? That's pretty good. This guy has so many misnomers it's not even funny...actually, it is :rotf:
And yes, I still can't stand to vote for McCain. That's just the way it is.
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I knew this guy was a full blown socialist 3 years ago when he made his big speech after becoming a senator. A DUmmie posted that speech, and you should heard the outrage when I called him what he is, a socialist. You'd have thought I called them the N word or something. For some reason, DUmmies are in total denial about what they are.
Anyone else notice that Obama's initials are BO? That's pretty good. This guy has so many misnomers it's not even funny...actually, it is :rotf:
And yes, I still can't stand to vote for McCain. That's just the way it is.
Get over it and take a barf bag in the booth with you or I will come hunt you down and smack you. :asssmack:
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I knew this guy was a full blown socialist 3 years ago when he made his big speech after becoming a senator. A DUmmie posted that speech, and you should heard the outrage when I called him what he is, a socialist. You'd have thought I called them the N word or something. For some reason, DUmmies are in total denial about what they are.
Anyone else notice that Obama's initials are BO? That's pretty good. This guy has so many misnomers it's not even funny...actually, it is :rotf:
And yes, I still can't stand to vote for McCain. That's just the way it is.
Get over it and take a barf bag in the booth with you or I will come hunt you down and smack you. :asssmack:
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OUCH!! Uncle! Uncle!!!!
Honestly and seriously, the GOP pundits need to be exposing how terrible both Hillary and BO are, instead of focussing on how shortchanged we are by our own candidate.
That is what Lauri pointed out, and I really don't understand why our party is doing this. We don't want McCain, but there's not a whole lot we can do to change that.
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I think it's mostly a matter of not knowing what the guy is all about just yet.
Remember the Democratic National Convention four years ago? He did give a great speech, but nobody remembers what he said. I bet if we looked it up online, it was not what is our best interest as a country; its what best for them as the liberal party. I should actually find that speech and re-read it to see what he said that was so 'staggeringly brilliant' ... so far, the guy is a major spender on things the majority of us dont need.
if McCain's guys arent willing to attack Obama on those issues, then I sure as hell hope McCain will..
good thought, lauri. I looked it up. standard boilerplate, but it's as vague as what he has been saying all over the country for months.
text of the speech is beneath the video (http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/convention2004/barackobama2004dnc.htm)
it is interesting to compare what he is saying now to what he said when the country stooped low enough to notice him for the first time. all in all, this speech is hardly lincoln's "house divided".
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Maybe that is the speech that a DUmmie posted, the one he made at the DNC four years ago, and it put stars in DUmmies' eyes...and the first line or two was PURE socialism...and they were outraged to be told so :whatever:
If you could find that speech, it would be a great little jewel to have.
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^is this it?
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/convention2004/barackobama2004dnc.htm
OOPS! My link is exactly the same as WE's. Is there another one you're thinking of?
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^is this it?
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/convention2004/barackobama2004dnc.htm
OOPS! My link is exactly the same as WE's. Is there another one you're thinking of?
that's the speech he made at the 2004 DNC. I was unsure of which sermon by The BarackStar! she was referring to, as well.
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Nah, that wasn't the same speech posted by the moonbat eons ago...methinks it was the speech he made after becoming Senator.
I've never heard this one before. He's likening himself to Lincoln, and it looks like a bunch of biographical BS. Who cares?
BTW, he said the other night that his mother was a single, teenage mother. I noticed in this speech he mentions that his father "met" his mother, and it is all romanticized...no mention of his father being a deadbeat...and he might not have been, but he sure alluded to that the other night...now playing the martyr who rose above it all.
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Nah, that wasn't the same speech posted by the moonbat eons ago...methinks it was the speech he made after becoming Senator.
I've never heard this one before. He's likening himself to Lincoln, and it looks like a bunch of biographical BS. Who cares?
BTW, he said the other night that his mother was a single, teenage mother. I noticed in this speech he mentions that his father "met" his mother, and it is all romanticized...no mention of his father being a deadbeat...and he might not have been, but he sure alluded to that the other night...now playing the martyr who rose above it all.
I'm still not sure which speech you are referring to. I posted a link to his 2004 DNC keynote in response to lauri's comment. there is not doubt whatsoever that this is that speech.
beyond that, I'm not sure what you mean.
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Has anyone heard Rush's Obama commercial?
It is like "Hope is hope because it is hopeful" and "the future isn't here yet, before was the past, but the future is the future."
Freaking hilarious -- and dead on.
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Nah, that wasn't the same speech posted by the moonbat eons ago...methinks it was the speech he made after becoming Senator.
I've never heard this one before. He's likening himself to Lincoln, and it looks like a bunch of biographical BS. Who cares?
BTW, he said the other night that his mother was a single, teenage mother. I noticed in this speech he mentions that his father "met" his mother, and it is all romanticized...no mention of his father being a deadbeat...and he might not have been, but he sure alluded to that the other night...now playing the martyr who rose above it all.
I'm still not sure which speech you are referring to. I posted a link to his 2004 DNC keynote in response to lauri's comment. there is not doubt whatsoever that this is that speech.
beyond that, I'm not sure what you mean.
It very well could be. I admittedly didn't read the whole speech that was posted here. Maybe the DUmmie didn't post all of B.O.'s blather about himself, and just posted his socialistic vision of America.
My apologies for being so hasty.
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Has anyone heard Rush's Obama commercial?
It is like "Hope is hope because it is hopeful" and "the future isn't here yet, before was the past, but the future is the future."
Freaking hilarious -- and dead on.
That is pretty good and shows just how "deep" B.O. is
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^I recall someone tearing apart his book. There's something on freerepublic -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1775138/posts
Here's a review from 2006. This really stood out:
Bill Clinton allowed his personal charisma to lead people to infer political beliefs that he didn't hold, or didn't hold faithfully. His political brilliance was in accepting with charm the projections people put on him. Barack Obama seems to have studied Bill Clinton's model — so it's somehow fitting that he's competing against Clinton's wife for the Democratic presidential nomination.
There are some differences, though. Obama seems to have a more orderly personal life than Bill Clinton. That might mean that Obama holds some beliefs deeply enough to imply a consistent philosophy, but it's hard to tell from his chameleonic public persona.
But, often, when he moves from theoretical discussions to specific examples drawn from his time in the Illinois legislature or the U.S. Senate, he abandons his common-sense wisdom to take contradictory actions for partisan or downright stupid reasons. He squares this with another rhetorical trick: acknowledging the inconsistency. He admits the contradiction and moves on without further explanation.
http://libertyunbound.com/archive/2007_05/walsh-obama.html