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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Hawkgirl on February 07, 2008, 11:23:20 AM
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Breaking now.....expected to announce it at the CPAC.....
:censored: :banghead: :bawl: :shame: :chairshot: :asssmack:
Yes, I'm disappointed..... Romney sees the writing on the wall...McSlime and Huckabee have formed an alliance and he has no chance...he just handed over the nomination to McSlime, wrapped in a big red bow... :censored:
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I want to add that yesterday I read an article on Fox or CNN, that Bush is behind this...He doesn't want Romney as the candidate, he is using his influence to persuade senators and other leaders to endorse McCain; supposedly because McCain agrees with his immigration stance :censored:
The party is moving left, slowly but surely...Gator had it right on this one.
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Well crap. Looks like the only option is to get behind McCain and hope like hell that he's kept in line and checked by the other branches.
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**** McCain. I'm staying home.
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I'm voting for McCain... the democrat alternative will be much much worse. As a conservative I will do my part to keep someone with a (D) after their name out of the White House. Give it to Obama or Hillary if you want but I'm not going there.
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**** McCain. I'm staying home.
:yeahthat:
So will most conservatives, we need to get used to saying President Clinton. Maybe after 4 years, we can bring back a real conservative...but McCain will not win the presidency..not enough enthusiasm behind his ticket...GOOD.
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**** McCain. I'm staying home.
:yeahthat:
So will most conservatives, we need to get used to saying President Clinton. Maybe after 4 years, we can bring back a real conservative...but McCain will not win the presidency..not enough enthusiasm behind his ticket...GOOD.
There may not be a U.S. that matters after four years of Hillary. She'll have given it to the UN by then. It also wouldn't surprise me if Bill Clinton is Secretary General by then.
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Fox news just reported, he will drop out today, but may not announce it at the CPAC.
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**** McCain. I'm staying home.
I'm half with ya at this point. But don't forget all the other issues that will be on the ballot in November. (local, State and national) There will be plenty of conservative items that need your support or, more likely, socialist junk that needs your ney vote.
I will not vote for McCain either but I'm showing up.
fwiw, some Romney stuff from Hot Air:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/07/team-romney-source-hints-that-mitt-will-drop-out/
"Mitt’s “suspending†his campaign". :thatsright:
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While I hear rumors that Hitlery's camp is afraid of McScam, I really feel that the Clinton attack-dog political machine will kick McFiengold's arse.
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Let Hillary have it. Then, after she's ****ed up the country, SOMEONE may step up that's a real conservative. Electing McCain will only do one thing, continue moving the Republican party towards the Democrat party.
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**** McCain. I'm staying home.
:yeahthat:
So will most conservatives, we need to get used to saying President Clinton. Maybe after 4 years, we can bring back a real conservative...but McCain will not win the presidency..not enough enthusiasm behind his ticket...GOOD.
There may not be a U.S. that matters after four years of Hillary. She'll have given it to the UN by then. It also wouldn't surprise me if Bill Clinton is Secretary General by then.
The same may happen with a McCain Presidency...only the Secretary General may be Ted Kennedy. His stances make democratic moderates wince.
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**** McCain. I'm staying home.
Or just go, but don't vote for president. I won't pick a candidate for President, but I WILL be voting for our US Senator Saxby Chambliss. We don't need Vernon Jones in office. :hammer:
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I'm voting for McCain... the democrat alternative will be much much worse. As a conservative I will do my part to keep someone with a (D) after their name out of the White House. Give it to Obama or Hillary if you want but I'm not going there.
I'm with you FlaGator. Don't forget that the House and the Senate are Dem as well...think of the damage that will be done. What if a Supreme Court Justice needs to be replaced? It scares the $hit out of me.
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Hillary wants to garnish wages (possibly) if we don't cooperate with her "universal health care" brownshirts. I'll be pulling the lever for the R. I'll be voting against, rather than for, yet again.
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While I hear rumors that Hitlery's camp is afraid of McScam, I really feel that the Clinton attack-dog political machine will kick McFiengold's arse.
Not only that, but so far...the democrats are flocking to the voting machine...I'd venture to say it's 3 to 1.
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**** McCain. I'm staying home.
:yeahthat:
So will most conservatives, we need to get used to saying President Clinton. Maybe after 4 years, we can bring back a real conservative...but McCain will not win the presidency..not enough enthusiasm behind his ticket...GOOD.
There may not be a U.S. that matters after four years of Hillary. She'll have given it to the UN by then. It also wouldn't surprise me if Bill Clinton is Secretary General by then.
The same may happen with a McCain Presidency...only the Secretary General may be Ted Kennedy. His stances make democratic moderates wince.
Well if he's going to be as bad as Hillary then it doesn't matter who I vote for so it might as well be a McCain/Huckabee ticket.
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**** McCain. I'm staying home.
Or just go, but don't vote for president. I won't pick a candidate for President, but I WILL be voting for our US Senator. We don't need Vernon Jones in office. :hammer:
I'm going that way, I'll vote on the local and state offices/issues, but I'll never cast a vote for McCain.......isn't there an old sage....."the country gets the government that it deserves......"
After four years of that clown Jimmah Carter, we ended up with a real president. Perhaps it will take Hillary/Obama to wake the folks up.....if they are ever going to wake up again. Unfortunately, I fear for the republic.....
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Great! Just ****ing great!!! :banghead: This is really upsetting, this country is so ****ed. :argh: :drink:
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I'm voting for McCain... the democrat alternative will be much much worse. As a conservative I will do my part to keep someone with a (D) after their name out of the White House. Give it to Obama or Hillary if you want but I'm not going there.
I'm with you FlaGator. Don't forget that the House and the Senate are Dem as well...think of the damage that will be done. What if a Supreme Court Justice needs to be replaced? It scares the $hit out of me.
I just don't understand people's desire to concede the WH to a liberal like Hillary who will appoint the absolutely worst person for the surpreme court and (who as Splsh said) is going to make her healthcare plan mandatory so a lot of people will be giving up their good healthcare coverage for a triage system that will kill more than it saves...
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Romney is getting emotional at the CPAC...I see it in his eyes....He's giving a good speech. I expect we haven't seen the last of him. Maybe after Hillary's 4 years, he'll run again....and Win.
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Look on the bright side, maybe he wont get enough delegates and we will have a brokered convention.
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I'm voting for McCain... the democrat alternative will be much much worse. As a conservative I will do my part to keep someone with a (D) after their name out of the White House. Give it to Obama or Hillary if you want but I'm not going there.
I'm with you FlaGator. Don't forget that the House and the Senate are Dem as well...think of the damage that will be done. What if a Supreme Court Justice needs to be replaced? It scares the $hit out of me.
I just don't understand people's desire to concede the WH to a liberal like Hillary who will appoint the absolutely worst person for the surpreme court and (who as Splsh said) is going to make her healthcare plan mandatory so a lot of people will be giving up their good healthcare coverage for a triage system that will kill more than it saves...
I watched her last debate and she will not mandate anyone to relinguish their current healthcare plan. She said she'll give us a choice, to sign up to the healthcare program available to the members of Congress, or keep your own.
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I'm voting for McCain... the democrat alternative will be much much worse. As a conservative I will do my part to keep someone with a (D) after their name out of the White House. Give it to Obama or Hillary if you want but I'm not going there.
I'm with you FlaGator. Don't forget that the House and the Senate are Dem as well...think of the damage that will be done. What if a Supreme Court Justice needs to be replaced? It scares the $hit out of me.
I just don't understand people's desire to concede the WH to a liberal like Hillary who will appoint the absolutely worst person for the surpreme court and (who as Splsh said) is going to make her healthcare plan mandatory so a lot of people will be giving up their good healthcare coverage for a triage system that will kill more than it saves...
I watched her last debate and she will not mandate anyone to relinguish their current healthcare plan. She said she'll give us a choice, to sign up to the healthcare program available to the members of Congress, or keep your own.
I don't trust a word out of that woman's mouth.
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I'm voting for McCain... the democrat alternative will be much much worse. As a conservative I will do my part to keep someone with a (D) after their name out of the White House. Give it to Obama or Hillary if you want but I'm not going there.
I'm with you FlaGator. Don't forget that the House and the Senate are Dem as well...think of the damage that will be done. What if a Supreme Court Justice needs to be replaced? It scares the $hit out of me.
I just don't understand people's desire to concede the WH to a liberal like Hillary who will appoint the absolutely worst person for the surpreme court and (who as Splsh said) is going to make her healthcare plan mandatory so a lot of people will be giving up their good healthcare coverage for a triage system that will kill more than it saves...
I watched her last debate and she will not mandate anyone to relinguish their current healthcare plan. She said she'll give us a choice, to sign up to the healthcare program available to the members of Congress, or keep your own.
If you believe her then why not believe McCain when he says he will take a conservative course of action.
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I just heard the news...
I have no one to caucus for this saturday ... :banghead:
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Hillary would love your vote :libssuck:
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I'm voting for McCain... the democrat alternative will be much much worse. As a conservative I will do my part to keep someone with a (D) after their name out of the White House. Give it to Obama or Hillary if you want but I'm not going there.
I'm with you FlaGator. Don't forget that the House and the Senate are Dem as well...think of the damage that will be done. What if a Supreme Court Justice needs to be replaced? It scares the $hit out of me.
Ginsberg has been hanging on til a new president comes in, hoping it will be Hilary. There will definitely be at least one, if not two, justices leaving.
But McCain dissed Alito last year saying he was 'too conservative' which .. is mystifying to most of us. I havent heard McCain's ideas on justices other than that..
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I'm voting for McCain... the democrat alternative will be much much worse. As a conservative I will do my part to keep someone with a (D) after their name out of the White House. Give it to Obama or Hillary if you want but I'm not going there.
I'm with you FlaGator. Don't forget that the House and the Senate are Dem as well...think of the damage that will be done. What if a Supreme Court Justice needs to be replaced? It scares the $hit out of me.
I just don't understand people's desire to concede the WH to a liberal like Hillary who will appoint the absolutely worst person for the surpreme court and (who as Splsh said) is going to make her healthcare plan mandatory so a lot of people will be giving up their good healthcare coverage for a triage system that will kill more than it saves...
I watched her last debate and she will not mandate anyone to relinguish their current healthcare plan. She said she'll give us a choice, to sign up to the healthcare program available to the members of Congress, or keep your own.
If you believe her then why not believe McCain when he says he will take a conservative course of action.
He will speak at the CPAC convention later....I'm interested to hear what he has to say. Going by his past though, doesn't seem the old man has any intention.
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I'm voting for McCain... the democrat alternative will be much much worse. As a conservative I will do my part to keep someone with a (D) after their name out of the White House. Give it to Obama or Hillary if you want but I'm not going there.
I'm with you FlaGator. Don't forget that the House and the Senate are Dem as well...think of the damage that will be done. What if a Supreme Court Justice needs to be replaced? It scares the $hit out of me.
I just don't understand people's desire to concede the WH to a liberal like Hillary who will appoint the absolutely worst person for the surpreme court and (who as Splsh said) is going to make her healthcare plan mandatory so a lot of people will be giving up their good healthcare coverage for a triage system that will kill more than it saves...
I watched her last debate and she will not mandate anyone to relinguish their current healthcare plan. She said she'll give us a choice, to sign up to the healthcare program available to the members of Congress, or keep your own.
So she's not going to garnish wages on those of us who don't want healthcare?
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Not voting for McCain isn't throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The baby has already been aborted. Voting for him will no more get the party back on it's conservative track than Obama coming out tomorrow changing his party affiliation. Let the ****ing libs have it. I have savings and I have guns. They wanna **** up the country? Fine. I'll be here to help pick up the pieces after the ****ers have starved to death do to their own inept leadership and the depression they will, most likely, cause. You can't ****ing promise people everything they want without ****ing someone else over and, eventually, the ****ees get tired of it. We are in SERIOUS need of a revolution. I blame our march towards liberalism on the 19th amendment.
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Hillary would love your vote :libssuck:
I was hoping Romney would gain steam since there seems to be a rather large backlash against McCain that continues on today..
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Every candidate represents an agenda, both personal and party. You can dissect everyone of them to your own purpose. Sometimes you have to view things in the context of what is our greatest threat and deal with it the best we can. We're at war. That should narrow the field.
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I'm voting for McCain... the democrat alternative will be much much worse. As a conservative I will do my part to keep someone with a (D) after their name out of the White House. Give it to Obama or Hillary if you want but I'm not going there.
I'm with you FlaGator. Don't forget that the House and the Senate are Dem as well...think of the damage that will be done. What if a Supreme Court Justice needs to be replaced? It scares the $hit out of me.
Ginsberg has been hanging on til a new president comes in, hoping it will be Hilary. There will definitely be at least one, if not two, justices leaving.
But McCain dissed Alito last year saying he was 'too conservative' which .. is mystifying to most of us. I havent heard McCain's ideas on justices other than that..
Putting McCain in office will not guarantee a conservative judge...in fact, he'll try to "work with" the democratic congress by electing someone they'll easily confirm.
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Sadly, Rebel is right. We're going to need a bigger wake up call to fix it though. Maybe four years of a Dem will wake up the GOP. Ugh.
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While I hear rumors that Hitlery's camp is afraid of McScam, I really feel that the Clinton attack-dog political machine will kick McFiengold's arse.
Not only that, but so far...the democrats are flocking to the voting machine...I'd venture to say it's 3 to 1.
yup, and its because enough of the GOP doesnt see anyone they like.
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I'm voting for McCain... the democrat alternative will be much much worse. As a conservative I will do my part to keep someone with a (D) after their name out of the White House. Give it to Obama or Hillary if you want but I'm not going there.
I'm with you FlaGator. Don't forget that the House and the Senate are Dem as well...think of the damage that will be done. What if a Supreme Court Justice needs to be replaced? It scares the $hit out of me.
I just don't understand people's desire to concede the WH to a liberal like Hillary who will appoint the absolutely worst person for the surpreme court and (who as Splsh said) is going to make her healthcare plan mandatory so a lot of people will be giving up their good healthcare coverage for a triage system that will kill more than it saves...
I watched her last debate and she will not mandate anyone to relinguish their current healthcare plan. She said she'll give us a choice, to sign up to the healthcare program available to the members of Congress, or keep your own.
So she's not going to garnish wages on those of us who don't want healthcare?
4 years will not be long enough to pass something of that degree. She'll be out in 4 years, and americans will put a real Republican back in the WH. Hillary will have to move to the Right if she wants a re-election...so garnishing wages is something that will never happen.
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So, its not over and he may get to hold onto his delegates...
I am not understanding this..
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Look at ANY major city that's ran by liberals. They are almost always cesspools and essentially broke. No, I don't mean the ones where there are about 50/50, or even 65/35. Look at Detroit. That is a mere microcosm of what we're going to see with a Democratically-controlled Congress and a liberal in the White House. Make no mistake, this country is going to hell in a hand basket. I wish I could say I was being an alarmist, but if you look back over time, we're already on the path, with the exception of one 8-year period in the '80s.
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Not voting for McCain isn't throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The baby has already been aborted. Voting for him will no more get the party back on it's conservative track than Obama coming out tomorrow changing his party affiliation. Let the ******* libs have it. I have savings and I have guns. They wanna **** up the country? Fine. I'll be here to help pick up the pieces after the ****ers have starved to death do to their own inept leadership and the depression they will, most likely, cause. You can't ******* promise people everything they want without ******* someone else over and, eventually, the ****ees get tired of it. We are in SERIOUS need of a revolution. I blame our march towards liberalism on the 19th amendment.
I understand your feelings, but I just can't let it go to the dems without a fight. I understand McCain's negatives, he's more centrist than we'd like, but he is still to the right of Hillary. He says that he will do the conservative thing and I'm willing to give him a chance. If he fails then I'll vote against him in 2012 but as of now I'm just going to hold my nose, pull the lever for McCain and hope for the best. Allowing Hillary to get in eliminates all hope.
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Not voting for McCain isn't throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The baby has already been aborted. Voting for him will no more get the party back on it's conservative track than Obama coming out tomorrow changing his party affiliation. Let the ******* libs have it. I have savings and I have guns. They wanna **** up the country? Fine. I'll be here to help pick up the pieces after the ****ers have starved to death do to their own inept leadership and the depression they will, most likely, cause. You can't ******* promise people everything they want without ******* someone else over and, eventually, the ****ees get tired of it. We are in SERIOUS need of a revolution. I blame our march towards liberalism on the 19th amendment.
the only response I can give you is one I heard this morning.. and this woman said, correctly, "we didnt know Reagan was Reagan until he'd been there a while" .. he was denied in 1976, but later came back and did what he did.
Reagan was pro choice in his earlier days.. so.. he wasnt a 'true conservative' when he first took the White House..
I feel totally let down as well, but handing this to Hilary or Obama is not in our best interest.
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^yeah, what you said. I'm not giving up either.
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4 years will not be long enough to pass something of that degree. She'll be out in 4 years, and americans will put a real Republican back in the WH. Hillary will have to move to the Right if she wants a re-election...so garnishing wages is something that will never happen.
Why? She talks to her idiotic friends in Congress, they author the bill and send it to the White House, and she signs it into law. You don't think the Supremes are going to strike it down as unconstitutional, do you?
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Every candidate represents an agenda, both personal and party. You can dissect everyone of them to your own purpose. Sometimes you have to view things in the context of what is our greatest threat and deal with it the best we can. We're at war. That should narrow the field.
the war is a huge issue ... pulling our troops out with destabilize the world unlike anything we've ever seen. and our friends in the ME will turn on us and they will be correct in doing so..
I think we have to get behind McCain and not let that happen, no matter how disheartening this is.
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I'm voting for McCain... the democrat alternative will be much much worse. As a conservative I will do my part to keep someone with a (D) after their name out of the White House. Give it to Obama or Hillary if you want but I'm not going there.
I'm with you FlaGator. Don't forget that the House and the Senate are Dem as well...think of the damage that will be done. What if a Supreme Court Justice needs to be replaced? It scares the $hit out of me.
I just don't understand people's desire to concede the WH to a liberal like Hillary who will appoint the absolutely worst person for the surpreme court and (who as Splsh said) is going to make her healthcare plan mandatory so a lot of people will be giving up their good healthcare coverage for a triage system that will kill more than it saves...
I watched her last debate and she will not mandate anyone to relinguish their current healthcare plan. She said she'll give us a choice, to sign up to the healthcare program available to the members of Congress, or keep your own.
So she's not going to garnish wages on those of us who don't want healthcare?
4 years will not be long enough to pass something of that degree. She'll be out in 4 years, and americans will put a real Republican back in the WH. Hillary will have to move to the Right if she wants a re-election...so garnishing wages is something that will never happen.
I wouldn't be so sure. She's been angling for Hillarycare since the 90's. She's had plenty of time to get her ducks in a row. I wouldn't put anything past her.
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I can't believe that you guys would even consider handing the reins of a deployed military to either Clinton or Obama.
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I just sent this to my friends and family and I mean every word:
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We have the choice between a RW wingnut and an extreme liberal -- and that is just in the Republican party.
Folks, this is it -- game over. No matter who gets elected you will be taxed into submission. Socialist Bread And Circuses will be the watchword for the next 8 years (and probably forever). Descartes was right.
Say hello to 90% tax brackets for $150K plus -- you know "the rich who don't pay their fair share." And once Socialized Programmes are instiruted you can't remove them with a stick of dynamite). And once we allow the Illegal Amnesty (and their families) we will have a permenent underclass of 80 MILLION, all of whom take more than the provide -- paid for by your taxes.
You watch the exodus of businesses to more business-friendly climates -- like China.
I am glad I don't have children to be brought up in The People's Republic of Amerika that I guarantee 100% is coming.
The Carter Years will seem like a day at Disneyland compared to what will be unleashed on the idiot voters in the USA this year.
I officially Give Up and am starting to look abroad
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what the hell??? I don't get it either. what's the strategy here?
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I want to add that yesterday I read an article on Fox or CNN, that Bush is behind this...He doesn't want Romney as the candidate, he is using his influence to persuade senators and other leaders to endorse McCain; supposedly because McCain agrees with his immigration stance :censored:
The party is moving left, slowly but surely...Gator had it right on this one.
Well that's lovely...they are soo soo wrong on immigration. I'm torn between sitting this one out and voting just to keep the Hildabeast's hands off the White House china. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Not voting for McCain isn't throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The baby has already been aborted. Voting for him will no more get the party back on it's conservative track than Obama coming out tomorrow changing his party affiliation. Let the ******* libs have it. I have savings and I have guns. They wanna **** up the country? Fine. I'll be here to help pick up the pieces after the ****ers have starved to death do to their own inept leadership and the depression they will, most likely, cause. You can't ******* promise people everything they want without ******* someone else over and, eventually, the ****ees get tired of it. We are in SERIOUS need of a revolution. I blame our march towards liberalism on the 19th amendment.
the only response I can give you is one I heard this morning.. and this woman said, correctly, "we didnt know Reagan was Reagan until he'd been there a while" .. he was denied in 1976, but later came back and did what he did.
Reagan was pro choice in his earlier days.. so.. he wasnt a 'true conservative' when he first took the White House..
I feel totally let down as well, but handing this to Hilary or Obama is not in our best interest.
Exactly! The dems must be keep out at all costs.
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the only response I can give you is one I heard this morning.. and this woman said, correctly, "we didnt know Reagan was Reagan until he'd been there a while" .. he was denied in 1976, but later came back and did what he did.
Reagan was pro choice in his earlier days.. so.. he wasnt a 'true conservative' when he first took the White House..
I feel totally let down as well, but handing this to Hilary or Obama is not in our best interest.
Difference is, we've had decades to get to know McCain. Add in the information technology and cable age, and there's nothing he can hide. He can't tell us he will be one way when we know damn well he's the other way. As for the Pro-Choice/Pro-Life issue, while I'm pro-life it's really not my main, driving factor in who I want to run the country.
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^I'm afraid you're correct.
So what foreign countries are acceptable? I'm thinking about it too....
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^yeah, what you said. I'm not giving up either.
I am.
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Rumors are flying.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/07/team-romney-source-hints-that-mitt-will-drop-out/
Including Mitt endorsing McCain! :o
http://insidecharmcity.com/2008/02/07/romney-drops-out-to-endorse-mccain-in-baltimore-tonight/
Ugh!
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4 years will not be long enough to pass something of that degree. She'll be out in 4 years, and americans will put a real Republican back in the WH. Hillary will have to move to the Right if she wants a re-election...so garnishing wages is something that will never happen.
Why? She talks to her idiotic friends in Congress, they author the bill and send it to the White House, and she signs it into law. You don't think the Supremes are going to strike it down as unconstitutional, do you?
well, first of all, she hasnt told us how she plans to pay for health care..
i think Hilary is skidding by on that 'I'm the first woman running for president .. isnt that special?!?!" vote... once she starts having to put the meat on her plans, people will quickly understand we cant afford her.
our economy cannot afford to pay for everyone to go to college.
our economy cannot afford to pay for people's mortgages.
everything she puts forth has a billion dollar price tag on it... where is she getting all this money??
PLUS! she ran OUT of money for her own campaign - she is a terrible manager and its showing. our side needs to shine a huge spotlight these issues.
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Rush just played Romney's speech where he said he is suspending the campaign.
They are cutting deals here... :banghead:
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I can't believe that you guys would even consider handing the reins of a deployed military to either Clinton or Obama.
Should we turn it over to some guy that wants to shut down Guantanamo Bay that houses people they've fought on the battlefield? There are troops that have been killed by many of those ****ers. How about prohibiting waterboarding a f'n shitbag terrorist to obtain information about potential ambushes, etc.?
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This whole conversation is getting very DUesque. With people saying that they aren't going to vote and some talking about leaving the country and others hoping the country falls apart to teach it a lesson... if I didn't know better I'd feel certain I logged on to a Conservativecave in the twilight zone.
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the only response I can give you is one I heard this morning.. and this woman said, correctly, "we didnt know Reagan was Reagan until he'd been there a while" .. he was denied in 1976, but later came back and did what he did.
Reagan was pro choice in his earlier days.. so.. he wasnt a 'true conservative' when he first took the White House..
I feel totally let down as well, but handing this to Hilary or Obama is not in our best interest.
Difference is, we've had decades to get to know McCain. Add in the information technology and cable age, and there's nothing he can hide. He can't tell us he will be one way when we know damn well he's the other way. As for the Pro-Choice/Pro-Life issue, while I'm pro-life it's really not my main, driving factor in who I want to run the country.
well, my point being... Reagan wasnt our hero when he first came into office. he was our "anybody but Carter or Mondale" choice..
we seem to be there again. :banghead:
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I can't believe that you guys would even consider handing the reins of a deployed military to either Clinton or Obama.
Should we turn it over to some guy that wants to shut down Guantanamo Bay that houses people they've fought on the battlefield? There are troops that have been killed by many of those ****ers. How about prohibiting waterboarding a f'n shitbag terrorist to obtain information about potential ambushes, etc.?
so Obama or Clinton would be the better choice?
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well, first of all, she hasnt told us how she plans to pay for health care..
i think Hilary is skidding by on that 'I'm the first woman running for president .. isnt that special?!?!" vote... once she starts having to put the meat on her plans, people will quickly understand we cant afford her.
our economy cannot afford to pay for everyone to go to college.
our economy cannot afford to pay for people's mortgages.
everything she puts forth has a billion dollar price tag on it... where is she getting all this money??
PLUS! she ran OUT of money for her own campaign - she is a terrible manager and its showing. our side needs to shine a huge spotlight these issues.
She said the plan would cost 110 billion dollars (I know, LOL, right?) and that 55 billion would come from canceling the tax breaks for people making over 250K. The other 55 billion would come from, what she said, "a modernization of the healthcare industry". ....whatever the hell that means.
I swear, I do not like that bitch.
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so Obama or Clinton would be the better choice?
Hell f'n no, but it'll speed up the inevitable. IMO, get it over with. I'm locked and loaded.
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I can't believe that you guys would even consider handing the reins of a deployed military to either Clinton or Obama.
Should we turn it over to some guy that wants to shut down Guantanamo Bay that houses people they've fought on the battlefield? There are troops that have been killed by many of those ****ers. How about prohibiting waterboarding a f'n shitbag terrorist to obtain information about potential ambushes, etc.?
And that in some way compares with the deballing of the Military that Hillary or Obama will do once in office. Those are small potatos in the big picture... in my opinion.
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I want to add that yesterday I read an article on Fox or CNN, that Bush is behind this...He doesn't want Romney as the candidate, he is using his influence to persuade senators and other leaders to endorse McCain; supposedly because McCain agrees with his immigration stance :censored:
The party is moving left, slowly but surely...Gator had it right on this one.
Well that's lovely...they are soo soo wrong on immigration. I'm torn between sitting this one out and voting just to keep the Hildabeast's hands off the White House china. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
just remember: McCain tried to cram that amnesty crap down our throats and WE stopped it.
WE stopped Hilary care as well once before.
we face a lot of threats, but dont discount the public's ability to keep it on an even keel.
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This whole conversation is getting very DUesque. With people saying that they aren't going to vote and some talking about leaving the country and others hoping the country falls apart to teach it a lesson... if I didn't know better I'd feel certain I logged on to a Conservativecave in the twilight zone.
people need to vent out their anger... we'll get it together.
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so Obama or Clinton would be the better choice?
Hell f'n no, but it'll speed up the inevitable. IMO, get it over with. I'm locked and loaded.
Don't we make fun of the DUers who say the same thing?
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what the hell??? I don't get it either. what's the strategy here?
Money. A suspended campaign can continue to be tax exempt. This is like a Chapter 11 reorganization. The real end of the campaign will be when the $$ are all accounted for.
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well, first of all, she hasnt told us how she plans to pay for health care..
i think Hilary is skidding by on that 'I'm the first woman running for president .. isnt that special?!?!" vote... once she starts having to put the meat on her plans, people will quickly understand we cant afford her.
our economy cannot afford to pay for everyone to go to college.
our economy cannot afford to pay for people's mortgages.
everything she puts forth has a billion dollar price tag on it... where is she getting all this money??
PLUS! she ran OUT of money for her own campaign - she is a terrible manager and its showing. our side needs to shine a huge spotlight these issues.
She said the plan would cost 110 billion dollars (I know, LOL, right?) and that 55 billion would come from canceling the tax breaks for people making over 250K. The other 55 billion would come from, what she said, "a modernization of the healthcare industry". ....whatever the hell that means.
I swear, I do not like that bitch.
do you dislike her more than McCain? :-)
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This whole conversation is getting very DUesque. With people saying that they aren't going to vote and some talking about leaving the country and others hoping the country falls apart to teach it a lesson... if I didn't know better I'd feel certain I logged on to a Conservativecave in the twilight zone.
Don't know who's talking about leaving the country. I'm just going to stop buying, remove my money from my bank account, other than the money I need to pay bills, etc. and weather the storm. I can do that, see, I'm a conservative. Mark my words though, this country will not look like it did before. Think about how much has changed since the 50's. Look at Berkeley. Can you make a contrast? Balkanization or Revolution. That's my question.
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so Obama or Clinton would be the better choice?
Hell f'n no, but it'll speed up the inevitable. IMO, get it over with. I'm locked and loaded.
Don't we make fun of the DUers who say the same thing?
Seriousness vs. Fairytale. I'm being serious, those idiots are seeing unicorns. Big difference. You turn this country over to liberals and you will see this country destroyed. Handing the reins over to McCain isn't that much better. McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, McCain-Feingold. Look'em up. He seems to revel in ****ing us over with a liberal partner.
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This whole conversation is getting very DUesque. With people saying that they aren't going to vote and some talking about leaving the country and others hoping the country falls apart to teach it a lesson... if I didn't know better I'd feel certain I logged on to a Conservativecave in the twilight zone.
Don't know who's talking about leaving the country. I'm just going to stop buying, remove my money from my bank account, other than the money I need to pay bills, etc. and weather the storm. I can do that, see, I'm a conservative. Mark my words though, this country will not look like it did before. Think about how much has changed since the 50's. Look at Berkeley. Can you make a contrast? Balkanization or Revolution. That's my question.
ok, Rebel.. now listen. this kind of reaction is what is causing our economy to falter. we are having a momentary problem here but even if Hilary or McCain took office today, nothing would change in the first six months even..
you're a soldier right? you know you cant win every skirmish... but the giving up doesnt even allow us to keep playing.
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ok, Rebel.. now listen. this kind of reaction is what is causing our economy to falter. we are having a momentary problem here but even if Hilary or McCain took office today, nothing would change in the first six months even..
you're a soldier right? you know you cant win every skirmish... but the giving up doesnt even allow us to keep playing.
I'm not a soldier anymore. I do, however, understand your point about the economy faltering. I made the point about it the other day. As for changes in 6 months, I cannot be optimistic. She's talking about ****ing us over BEFORE she's even elected. What do you think she'll do WHEN she's elected. As for McCain, I've already stated my disagreements. You have two choices, a Democrat or a Democrat-Lite. I'm a conservative. Sorry, I have no candidate.
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so Obama or Clinton would be the better choice?
Hell f'n no, but it'll speed up the inevitable. IMO, get it over with. I'm locked and loaded.
Don't we make fun of the DUers who say the same thing?
Seriousness vs. Fairytale. I'm being serious, those idiots are seeing unicorns. Big difference. You turn this country over to liberals and you will see this country destroyed. Handing the reins over to McCain isn't that much better. McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, McCain-Feingold. Look'em up. He seems to revel in ******* us over with a liberal partner.
you gotta look at the big picture here.. I think Fat Teddy is on his last legs. His endorsement of Obama meant absolutely squat. His state went for Hilary in a big way. What do you think that says about his future endeavors there? He may face a slightly angry public if he doesnt help deliver a lib into the White House. And he's already failed with Kerry as well.
His 'reach' and his 'seniority' have never meant much outside of his state.. he's old, he's extremely unhealthy and I wouldnt be suprised if he's thinking about retiring soon. A lot of the old guard hippy dippy left is nearing retirement.
Dont let this absolutely kill your enthusiasm for the country - we never let Ted Kennedy be president .. that oughta count for something :-)
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Huck didn't drop yet! Com'on kev!!! Jump on the Huck Express!
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BTW, you guys can support or vote the way you feel. I won't denigrate you, call you neo-cons, call you assholes or anything else. Your vote and your position is yours and yours alone. My posts here have been mine.
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Huck didn't drop yet! Com'on kev!!! Jump on the Huck Express!
I would vote for Huck if I could, Jack. There's a problem though. I cast my vote for Romney on Tuesday and I don't see Huck making it to election day. Romney was ahead of Huck and he dropped out.
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what the hell??? I don't get it either. what's the strategy here?
Money. A suspended campaign can continue to be tax exempt. This is like a Chapter 11 reorganization. The real end of the campaign will be when the $$ are all accounted for.
that is quite bizarre... Romney is the most solvent of any of them on our side. although, Romney's wife may have said "that's enough money honey" ... I have heard him say that he has no limits, but his wife does.
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oh yeah...we didn't have our primary yet...I forget.
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This whole conversation is getting very DUesque. With people saying that they aren't going to vote and some talking about leaving the country and others hoping the country falls apart to teach it a lesson... if I didn't know better I'd feel certain I logged on to a Conservativecave in the twilight zone.
people need to vent out their anger... we'll get it together.
I know... I know. I just found it amusing while I was reading this posts I wasn't seeing our screen names, I was seeing sfexpat and proud2blib and prouddad and nancegregg. DUmonic possession
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Huck didn't drop yet! Com'on kev!!! Jump on the Huck Express!
I would vote for Huck if I could, Jack. There's a problem though. I cast my vote for Romney on Tuesday and I don't see Huck making it to election day. Romney was ahead of Huck and he dropped out.
I think most of us feel the way that you do, Kevin... I am more pissed than I thought I would be about Romney dropping out. At least with him in, we still had a choice but this thing keeps changing day to day ... I dont think this is the end just yet.
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BTW, you guys can support or vote the way you feel. I won't denigrate you, call you neo-cons, call you assholes or anything else. Your vote and your position is yours and yours alone. My posts here have been mine.
But are you going to tell use to kiss your redneck ass :-)
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This whole conversation is getting very DUesque. With people saying that they aren't going to vote and some talking about leaving the country and others hoping the country falls apart to teach it a lesson... if I didn't know better I'd feel certain I logged on to a Conservativecave in the twilight zone.
people need to vent out their anger... we'll get it together.
I know... I know. I just found it amusing while I was reading this posts I wasn't seeing our screen names, I was seeing sfexpat and proud2blib and prouddad and nancegregg. DUmonic possession
oh they are having their issues as well. its funny; our side isnt happy cause our guy isnt conservative enough... they dont think Hilary and Obama are left enough.
this may be the perfect time for a third party to come back and clench a deal since both sides are in an uproar.
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**** McCain. I'm staying home.
:yeahthat:
I'm even more outraged by Bush being behind this. That is a blow that I just will not get over, ever.
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**** McCain. I'm staying home.
:yeahthat:
I'm even more outraged by Bush being behind this. That is a blow that I just will not get over, ever.
youre the second person ive seen say that... do you have a link? I havent seen that anywhere today..
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Romney ends bid, eyeing 2012 By: Mike Allen and Jonathan Martin
Feb 7, 2008 01:37 PM EST
The presidential race Mitt Romney planned for years crashed to a halt Thursday, stopped in its tracks by the surprisingly durable John McCain campaign and by Romney's inability to quell concerns about his shifts on key issues and his Mormon religion.
Making the dramatic announcement at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference at a Washington hotel, Romney clearly hoped to preserve the goodwill of his party for another possible bid in 2012. He intends to run again in four years, according to a senior member of his inner circle.
"He should be president. 2012," the confidant e-mailed after talking to Romney.
“If I fight on in my campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Sen. Clinton or Obama would win,†he said.
“And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding a surrender to terror.â€
Josh Romney, one of the governor’s five sons, said his dad sounded upbeat and strong when he called family members last night to tell them of the decision.
“He felt that he still had a shot at winning the nomination,†Josh Romney said. “But for the good of the party and the nation, he didn’t want to have a long, drawn-out battle.â€
more at the link.. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8386.html
so... he's eyeing 2012 without finishing this campaign out??
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Yeah, hubby just told me that he is suspending his campaign, and it is confusing.
I'm about fed up with the whole thing anyway. It's depressing, and I am starting to just not give a sh!t anymore because if I think about it, I will be in a dark, black hole.
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I fear we are one RINO away from becoming DU.
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I fear we are one RINO away from becoming DU.
Just waiting for the moles to show up :-)
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Just waiting for the moles to show up :-)
DUmmies aren't good at being a mole. It's been proven over and over and over again. Why? Well, it's easy to be a mole at DU. All you have to do is say the most outlandish shit possible about Bush and they'll flock to you like you have cookies. They have no sense of humor. They cannot, in good conscience, come here and start bashing their fellow libs, even if it's in jest.
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merging the two romney threads in BN . . .
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I fear we are one RINO away from becoming DU.
Just waiting for the moles to show up :-)
LOL...
I seriously thought twice before I posted, I didn't want to further enrage those who are having a collective $hit fit (that is like the third time today I used the word $hit I think).
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Just waiting for the moles to show up :-)
DUmmies aren't good at being a mole. It's been proven over and over and over again. Why? Well, it's easy to be a mole at DU. All you have to do is say the most outlandish shit possible about Bush and they'll flock to you like you have cookies. They have no sense of humor. They cannot, in good conscience, come here and start bashing their fellow libs, even if it's in jest.
As someone one posted it's easier to pretend that your insane than it is to pretend to be sane.
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I fear we are one RINO away from becoming DU.
Just waiting for the moles to show up :-)
LOL...
I seriously thought twice before I posted, I didn't want to further enrage those who are having a collective $hit fit (that is like the third time today I used the word $hit I think).
It is habit forming :-)
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As someone one posted it's easier to pretend that your insane than it is to pretend to be sane.
boy...you can say that again
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I fear we are one RINO away from becoming DU.
Just waiting for the moles to show up :-)
LOL...
I seriously thought twice before I posted, I didn't want to further enrage those who are having a collective $hit fit (that is like the third time today I used the word $hit I think).
i'm telling :popcorn:
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I fear we are one RINO away from becoming DU.
Just waiting for the moles to show up :-)
LOL...
I seriously thought twice before I posted, I didn't want to further enrage those who are having a collective $hit fit (that is like the third time today I used the word $hit I think).
i'm telling :popcorn:
$hit, please don't.
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I fear we are one RINO away from becoming DU.
Just waiting for the moles to show up :-)
LOL...
I seriously thought twice before I posted, I didn't want to further enrage those who are having a collective $hit fit (that is like the third time today I used the word $hit I think).
i'm telling :popcorn:
$hit, please don't.
welll ... shit... ok. :beer:
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Shit.
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Shit.
$hit....I thought you couldn't actually "say" SHIT on here.
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Shit.
$hit....I thought you couldn't actually "say" SHIT on here.
Does $hit sound just like shit??
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Well shit mitt!!! :-) there....got it out of my system.
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Shit.
$hit....I thought you couldn't actually "say" SHIT on here.
Does $hit sound just like shit??
It does but it costs more to say it.
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:pokingpoop: Shit?
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:pokingpoop: Shit?
I was wondering when someone was going to bring out the crap smilie. :p
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I blame our march towards liberalism on the 19th amendment.
ooook .... I feel like I've just been slapped.
Would you explain your reasoning please?
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ooook .... I feel like I've just been slapped.
Would you explain your reasoning please?
Approximately 80% of the women in this country vote based on emotion alone. If you're in the 20 that thinks logically, take no offense. However, it cannot be ignored that since the passage of the 19th amendment, liberalism has been increasing exponentially. It's feel-good politics. Men, by nature, are hunter/gatherers. Women are nurturers who need a sense of security and would vote or side with anyone that gives them that comfort. Men are more prone to vote or side with anyone that offers the most freedom.
Keep in mind, when I say this, I am not saying ALL women, just a majority. Are there guys? Of course. I blame the feminization of America.
This is, however, just my opinion.
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ooook .... I feel like I've just been slapped.
Would you explain your reasoning please?
Approximately 80% of the women in this country vote based on emotion alone. If you're in the 20 that thinks logically, take no offense. However, it cannot be ignored that since the passage of the 19th amendment, liberalism has been increasing exponentially. It's feel-good politics. Men, by nature, are hunter/gatherers. Women are nurturers who need a sense of security and would vote or side with anyone that gives them that comfort. Men are more prone to vote or side with anyone that offers the most freedom.
Keep in mind, when I say this, I am not saying ALL women, just a majority. Are there guys? Of course. I blame the feminization of America.
This is, however, just my opinion.
This is certainly not politically correct (and you are to be commended for that), however there is a lot of logic behind your words......
That said, I'm going to hide and watch....
doc
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I'm afraid what Rebel says is often true, women do tend to vote with emotion, and, as a former Romney supporter, I'm not surprised but disappointed at the news that Romney's leaving the race. Now I don't know whether to support Huckabee or just go with McLame.
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Thanks for your reply Kev. I somewhat see your point. I'll lump myself in the 20 % group. Of course my opinion is that I hope I never see a woman OR a black man as POTUS in my life time. Believe me, it won't be by my vote.
By the same token, I'm a fighter. Yeah McCain sucks donkey nuts (literally) but I'd just as soon slit my throat with a butter knife than not vote. We absolutely know what we'll get with Hildabeast / Osama, but with McCain at least there is a sliver hope. Remember, Bush hasn't been all that he could've been either.
As with the 2004 election, it is extremely important to keep in mind the life terms of the Supreme Court. As many as 2 could be replaced within a 4 yr. presidential term. I'm with FlaGator on this one. It scares the hell outta me.
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Thanks for your reply Kev. I somewhat see your point. I'll lump myself in the 20 % group. Of course my opinion is that I hope I never see a woman OR a black man as POTUS in my life time. Believe me, it won't be by my vote.
By the same token, I'm a fighter. Yeah McCain sucks donkey nuts (literally) but I'd just as soon slit my throat with a butter knife than not vote. We absolutely know what we'll get with Hildabeast / Osama, but with McCain at least there is a sliver hope. Remember, Bush hasn't been all that he could've been either.
As with the 2004 election, it is extremely important to keep in mind the life terms of the Supreme Court. As many as 2 could be replaced within a 4 yr. presidential term. I'm with FlaGator on this one. I scares the hell outta me.
I would definitely vote for, and feel comfortable with having, a Herman Cain, Laura Ingraham, Monica Crowley, Thomas Sowell, or Lee Elder in the White House. It's got nothing to do with color or gender. Just because I think 80% of the women in this country aren't fit to be the CinC, doesn't mean I wouldn't vote for one of the ones in the 20%.
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ooook .... I feel like I've just been slapped.
Would you explain your reasoning please?
Approximately 80% of the women in this country vote based on emotion alone. If you're in the 20 that thinks logically, take no offense. However, it cannot be ignored that since the passage of the 19th amendment, liberalism has been increasing exponentially. It's feel-good politics. Men, by nature, are hunter/gatherers. Women are nurturers who need a sense of security and would vote or side with anyone that gives them that comfort. Men are more prone to vote or side with anyone that offers the most freedom.
Keep in mind, when I say this, I am not saying ALL women, just a majority. Are there guys? Of course. I blame the feminization of America.
This is, however, just my opinion.
were you listening to that Constitutionalist on Glenn Beck this morning?
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ooook .... I feel like I've just been slapped.
Would you explain your reasoning please?
Approximately 80% of the women in this country vote based on emotion alone. If you're in the 20 that thinks logically, take no offense. However, it cannot be ignored that since the passage of the 19th amendment, liberalism has been increasing exponentially. It's feel-good politics. Men, by nature, are hunter/gatherers. Women are nurturers who need a sense of security and would vote or side with anyone that gives them that comfort. Men are more prone to vote or side with anyone that offers the most freedom.
Keep in mind, when I say this, I am not saying ALL women, just a majority. Are there guys? Of course. I blame the feminization of America.
This is, however, just my opinion.
I know there are guys, because some of the biggest DUmmies are guys. TiT comes to mind.
I have heard that most single women are liberal; whereas, married women tend to be conservative. That makes much more sense to me, and it is easy to see why. There are many divorced, bitter women who feel cheated, and what better way to compensate than to have the federal government give you your due.
Anyway, Kevin, I am both astonished and disappointed at you blaming 80% of women :whatever:
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were you listening to that Constitutionalist on Glenn Beck this morning?
I don't get Beck here.
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ooook .... I feel like I've just been slapped.
Would you explain your reasoning please?
Approximately 80% of the women in this country vote based on emotion alone. If you're in the 20 that thinks logically, take no offense. However, it cannot be ignored that since the passage of the 19th amendment, liberalism has been increasing exponentially. It's feel-good politics. Men, by nature, are hunter/gatherers. Women are nurturers who need a sense of security and would vote or side with anyone that gives them that comfort. Men are more prone to vote or side with anyone that offers the most freedom.
Keep in mind, when I say this, I am not saying ALL women, just a majority. Are there guys? Of course. I blame the feminization of America.
This is, however, just my opinion.
I know there are guys, because some of the biggest DUmmies are guys. TiT comes to mind.
I have heard that most single women are liberal; whereas, married women tend to be conservative. That makes much more sense to me, and it is easy to see why. There are many divorced, bitter women who feel cheated, and what better way to compensate than to have the federal government give you your due.
Anyway, Kevin, I am both astonished and disappointed at you blaming 80% of women :whatever:
I wouldn't make that sweeping generalization about single women, Some of us are not bitter old hags who rely on the government and I take offense to your statement.
Lots of women like myself are conservative, professional women that make a lot more money than married folks with two incomes...So I wouldn't be too quick to judge on that point.
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I know there are guys, because some of the biggest DUmmies are guys. TiT comes to mind.
I have heard that most single women are liberal; whereas, married women tend to be conservative. That makes much more sense to me, and it is easy to see why. There are many divorced, bitter women who feel cheated, and what better way to compensate than to have the federal government give you your due.
Anyway, Kevin, I am both astonished and disappointed at you blaming 80% of women :whatever:
Sorry, it is what it is. Conservative women are in the minority of their gender. Look at every Rasmussen or Zogby poll.
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I wouldn't make that sweeping generalization about single women, Some of us are not bitter old hags who rely on the government and I take offense to your statement.
Lots of women like myself are conservative, professional women that make a lot more money than married folks with two incomes...So I wouldn't be too quick to judge on that point.
She said most, not all. Like I said most, not all.
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I wouldn't make that sweeping generalization about single women, Some of us are not bitter old hags who rely on the government and I take offense to your statement.
Lots of women like myself are conservative, professional women that make a lot more money than married folks with two incomes...So I wouldn't be too quick to judge on that point.
She said most, not all. Like I said most, not all.
Ok, so I'll say most married people(that I know) are miserable and most cheat on their spouses.
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not sure why Romney dropped out. Him and Huckabee could have tied up enough delegates to keep McSlime from getting the nomination. If Romney endorses McSlime, it will show his liberal true colors.
However, maybe this means Huckabee can make a charge since he did very well with the conservatives on Tuesday. Romney had better support Huckabee
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Thanks for your reply Kev. I somewhat see your point. I'll lump myself in the 20 % group. Of course my opinion is that I hope I never see a woman OR a black man as POTUS in my life time. Believe me, it won't be by my vote.
By the same token, I'm a fighter. Yeah McCain sucks donkey nuts (literally) but I'd just as soon slit my throat with a butter knife than not vote. We absolutely know what we'll get with Hildabeast / Osama, but with McCain at least there is a sliver hope. Remember, Bush hasn't been all that he could've been either.
As with the 2004 election, it is extremely important to keep in mind the life terms of the Supreme Court. As many as 2 could be replaced within a 4 yr. presidential term. I'm with FlaGator on this one. It scares the hell outta me.
I'm not being politically correct here when I say that I would not have a problem voting for a black man or a woman, it just has to be a black man or woman with whom I agree politically.
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There are three things that are making me keep an open mind on the "Voting for the death of my own liberties" issue with McCrazy:
1. The SCOTUS Justice issue. Yes, a couple of the most lib Justices are virtually on life support waiting for a Dem to become Prez, and have been for four years....even if Crazy John virtually is a Dem, there is still a thin line there and I'd love to see the wailing and robe-tearing when the particular Supreme Weasels realize they're truly screwed.
2. The Veep choice, since that will tell whether he actually gives a rat's ass about the Conservatives at all.
3. What commitments is he going to make to us...not really the platform, but what promises is John going to make to us and be held accountable for (i.e. the infamous 'No new taxes' pledge, however in his case I'd settle for 'I'll leave gun control where it is').
I do not buy that Hitlery will destroy the US in four years, she is too cagey for that, she will just inflict major (but not irretrievable) damage, aside from GWOT and SCOTUS I doubt there will be much noticeable difference between her and McCain as Prez. Obama is a whole 'nuther story, he is a total rube if a very charismatic one, and therefore likely to be another Jimmuh.
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As with the 2004 election, it is extremely important to keep in mind the life terms of the Supreme Court. As many as 2 could be replaced within a 4 yr. presidential term. I'm with FlaGator on this one. It scares the hell outta me.
McCain said that Alito was "too conservative" :popcorn:
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I do not buy that Hitlery will destroy the US in four years, she is too cagey for that, she will just inflict major (but not irretrievable) damage, aside from GWOT and SCOTUS I doubt there will be much noticeable difference between her and McCain as Prez. Obama is a whole 'nuther story, he is a total rube if a very charismatic one, and therefore likely to be another Jimmuh.
Hillary will make sure to be as spiteful to the conservatives as she possibly can be, making sure to rub our noses in her position.
If the Democratic Congress doesn't get fired in Nov. '08, I see her socialized healthcare getting passed. That scared the bejeezus out of me.
With her and her Democratic Congress still in effect, I see her crippling the advanced stages of the WOT thus bringing the progress to its demise. That both scares the bejeezus out of me and pisses me off.
I can't even picture her representing us internationally. The thought of that makes me want to laugh and throw up.
We will hear one lie after the next about the economy that she inherited, as if Bush and Co. mucked it up.
I could go on and on, but the fact is, is it would be at least 4 years of unbearable hell that I don't want to listen to with a real possibility of doing irreversible damage to our healthcare system. Once something becomes socialized, it doesn't get "un"-socialized.
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As with the 2004 election, it is extremely important to keep in mind the life terms of the Supreme Court. As many as 2 could be replaced within a 4 yr. presidential term. I'm with FlaGator on this one. It scares the hell outta me.
McCain said that Alito was "too conservative" :popcorn:
Correct, and as I mentioned in another thread, I suspect that McCain's vision of a "conservative" SC Justice is the likes of Kennedy.....he will nominate someone that won't piss off a lot of his liberal colleagues in the senate......ya know, he wants us all to "get along"....
It is fast approaching the time when I have to "tune out' politics, and start circling the wagons for another liberal onslaught. The good news is that since my wife and I qualify as "senior citizens", the dems will be falling all over themselves to throw goodies at us for votes....the bad news is that our children will be paying the price for it for the next forty years......
doc
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I had to come to terms with a pretty tough realization:
I'm to the right of my Republican counterparts, although by the standards of this board, I'm not as conservative as some of you guys.
We had some conservative options. For whatever reason, they failed to resonate with the majority of Americans. We get the government we deserve.
We need to put some of the blame on the current administration. In many areas (budget, immigration, etc.) Republicans failed to lead. We were strong on defense, but that's about it. We didn't make the tax cuts permanent. We didn't privatize social security. Oil is still sitting, untapped, under ANWR.
Hell, Bush has been a better president under democratic control of the congress than he was with his mandate.
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were you listening to that Constitutionalist on Glenn Beck this morning?
I don't get Beck here.
he had a guy on there from that party, basically saying that giving women the vote changed our country for the worse.. they didnt spend much time on it. Beck was kind of making fun of the guy under his breath - and I've never heard the Constitution Party guy before..
i would say ALL Americans can be blamed for allowing what has been happening here the past 40 years or so. The ones who vote, and the ones who dont vote... we all equally share the blame.
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Well hell...as if this election cycle weren't bad enough. :thatsright:
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There are three things that are making me keep an open mind on the "Voting for the death of my own liberties" issue with McCrazy:
1. The SCOTUS Justice issue. Yes, a couple of the most lib Justices are virtually on life support waiting for a Dem to become Prez, and have been for four years....even if Crazy John virtually is a Dem, there is still a thin line there and I'd love to see the wailing and robe-tearing when the particular Supreme Weasels realize they're truly screwed.
2. The Veep choice, since that will tell whether he actually gives a rat's ass about the Conservatives at all.
3. What commitments is he going to make to us...not really the platform, but what promises is John going to make to us and be held accountable for (i.e. the infamous 'No new taxes' pledge, however in his case I'd settle for 'I'll leave gun control where it is').
I do not buy that Hitlery will destroy the US in four years, she is too cagey for that, she will just inflict major (but not irretrievable) damage, aside from GWOT and SCOTUS I doubt there will be much noticeable difference between her and McCain as Prez. Obama is a whole 'nuther story, he is a total rube if a very charismatic one, and therefore likely to be another Jimmuh.
He's worse than Jimmuh, he's an empty suit socialist surrounded by terrorist sympathizers. It doesn't get much worse than that.
1. Juan would still have to cram a normal person through a Reid Senate.
2. There are rumors he'll pick Pansy Graham (RINO-SC) as veep.
3. He'll adopt whatever political stance makes him look the most "maverick".
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Let Hillary have it. Then, after she's ****ed up the country, SOMEONE may step up that's a real conservative. Electing McCain will only do one thing, continue moving the Republican party towards the Democrat party.
Won't be voting for McStain but I will be voting for the State and local level Conservatives that will do everything that can to keep his liberal deals from going through.
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BTW, you guys can support or vote the way you feel. I won't denigrate you, call you neo-cons, call you assholes or anything else. Your vote and your position is yours and yours alone. My posts here have been mine.
Which is the way it should be. This is why I like the majority of people here that were here from the start. We all have a choice , Its up to everyone what that choice is and all we can do is hope for the best. As someone else mentioned earlier. We don't have to like or vote for McCain but we can still vote for others that have the real pull as conservatives and the only thing that McCain can do with a Conservative majority is either veto or sign bills. Congress can pretty much do what it does or override the President's veto's. If McCain wants to look like an ass for 4 years that will be up to him.
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Well, we're all ****ed with a capital F. Even if McLame wins (which I doubt), we'll see illegals flood the gates, taxes may or may not be raised sky high... but they will not be cut anymore, we will not see another judge in the SCOTUS that adheres to the Constitution, and the terrorists will be treated like they're staying at Club Med. And that's just under a McLame presidency.
Well, time to stock up on ammo and canned foods and living in the mountains.
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Let Hillary have it. Then, after she's ****ed up the country, SOMEONE may step up that's a real conservative. Electing McCain will only do one thing, continue moving the Republican party towards the Democrat party.
Won't be voting for McStain but I will be voting for the State and local level Conservatives that will do everything that can to keep his liberal deals from going through.
I have a son in the Marine Corps. I can't in good conscience do anything that would put his life in the hands of Hillary or Obama. The thought of either one being my son's CinC scares me more than anything. Everyone needs to do what they think is best but I hope no one forgets some have a lot more at stake this election.
Cindie
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I have a son in the Marine Corps. I can't in good conscience do anything that would put his life in the hands of Hillary or Obama. The thought of either one being my son's CinC scares me more than anything. Everyone needs to do what they think is best but I hope no one forgets some have a lot more at stake this election.
Cindie
Cindie, that's the ONLY reason I'll wind up voting for the McLiberal.
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BTW, you guys can support or vote the way you feel. I won't denigrate you, call you neo-cons, call you assholes or anything else. Your vote and your position is yours and yours alone. My posts here have been mine.
Which is the way it should be. This is why I like the majority of people here that were here from the start. We all have a choice , Its up to everyone what that choice is and all we can do is hope for the best. As someone else mentioned earlier. We don't have to like or vote for McCain but we can still vote for others that have the real pull as conservatives and the only thing that McCain can do with a Conservative majority is either veto or sign bills. Congress can pretty much do what it does or override the President's veto's. If McCain wants to look like an ass for 4 years that will be up to him.
Kevin, I agree with all of that.. but what i have heard for the past week is people consistently saying they arent voting at all. Talk radio is absolutely lit up with people being so pissed off about this. So, I'm concerned with people here and out there not voting and losing our other GOP seats as well.
The Dems got far more people to the polls this past week and half and we cant keep our seats that way..
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Let Hillary have it. Then, after she's ****ed up the country, SOMEONE may step up that's a real conservative. Electing McCain will only do one thing, continue moving the Republican party towards the Democrat party.
Won't be voting for McStain but I will be voting for the State and local level Conservatives that will do everything that can to keep his liberal deals from going through.
I have a son in the Marine Corps. I can't in good conscience do anything that would put his life in the hands of Hillary or Obama. The thought of either one being my son's CinC scares me more than anything. Everyone needs to do what they think is best but I hope no one forgets some have a lot more at stake this election.
Cindie
awesome point Cindie ..
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The Dems got far more people to the polls this past week and half and we cant keep our seats that way..
IMO, the GOP needs to get on board and get back in touch with its conservative base, as they have completely lost touch.
Losing the Congress last year wasn't enough for them, apparently. Now they throw up a liberal republican (which I NEVER even thought there could be such a thing) to run for the presidency. They won't get my endorsement on that.
Someone on another thread very accurately stated that the party is devoid of leadership. That's right. Until they get their act together and get back on board with what their constituents want, I cannot and will not support them. I will hold them to a standard. I don't believe in voting for mediocrocy just to keep the other person out of office, because I believe to let the other person in as that may be what it takes to get this party back to where it needs to be...light a fire under their asses.
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**** McCain. I'm staying home.
I hear ya. Both Hitlery and McLame want oversized, overpowering government.
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The Dems got far more people to the polls this past week and half and we cant keep our seats that way..
IMO, the GOP needs to get on board and get back in touch with its conservative base, as they have completely lost touch.
Losing the Congress last year wasn't enough for them, apparently. Now they throw up a liberal republican (which I NEVER even thought there could be such a thing) to run for the presidency. They won't get my endorsement on that.
Someone on another thread very accurately stated that the party is devoid of leadership. That's right. Until they get their act together and get back on board with what their constituents want, I cannot and will not support them. I will hold them to a standard. I don't believe in voting for mediocrocy just to keep the other person out of office, because I believe to let the other person in as that may be what it takes to get this party back to where it needs to be...light a fire under their asses.
and again, i agree with your sentiments.. but i live in a blue area (seattle) where I'm already taxed almost to the ends of my abilities - and we make good money. we are already not able to send our 8 year old to private school next year and that has me worried sick cause the public schools here are CRAP. we are preparing for a tax onslaught that will eat up a good chunk of our reserves this next year. and if a Liberal gets the White House and both Houses? I'm not sure most families around here can survive that.
its all selfish on my part - but I cant vote against my own family.