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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Chris_ on January 15, 2009, 02:54:25 PM
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Breaking -- http://www.abclocal.go.com/wabc/index
has a feed
Prayers for everyone -- no word on if anyone was hurt
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New info:
Not a commuter -- an A320 (about the size of a 737). Still no word on injuries or deaths.
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numSlides of totalImages A U.S. Airways airplane has crashed into the Hudson River, CBS 2 has learned. The plane appears to be in one piece and passengers are being evaucated by rescue teams.
Officials tell CBS 2 the airplane is Flight 1549, an Airbus 380 that took off from La Guardia Aiport. There are reports that there were about 60 people on board.
There are reports that a bird strike may have caused the plane to go down, meaning a bird may have entered the engine, causing a malfunction.
There is no word on injuries to passengers.
The plane is floating upright in the water near the USS Intrepid.
http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/us.airways.crash.2.909535.html
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I would think that the fuselage being intact, as in that shot in the OP, means that the pilot kept control of the plane, and injuries/deaths are low. One is too many, but I would think that the bright spot will be that the pilot kept the plane intact.
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I would think that the fuselage being intact, as in that shot in the OP, means that the pilot kept control of the plane, and injuries/deaths are low. One is too many, but I would think that the bright spot will be that the pilot kept the plane intact.
Lotta cold people but it looks as if it could have been a HELLUVA lot worse for a winter water landing.
Prayers for the passengers.
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GREAT screen-cap! Fox News has been told to stay far away and they haven't been able to get the cameras to see past the rescue boats.
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Sure is lousy weather temp wise to do a water rescue today!
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US Airways Flight 1549 in Hudson River
2:55 PM Thu, Jan 15, 2009 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Eric Torbenson E-mail News tips
News reports showing an Airbus A320 that flew out of New York's LaGuardia sinking in Hudson River. Good news, if there is such a thing: Airframe appears very intact and was floating on the water for a good amount of time. Lots of ferries and helicopters there - pictures of people on the wings.
TV reports say 146 pax and 5 crew. Flight was en route to Charlotte and pilot reported hitting a "flock of geese" sources are saying - if he suffered birdstrikes on both engines, very likely to have to ditch the plane.
That would do it. He might have sucked in multiple birds into each engine. Turbofans are pretty resistant but all it takes is one piece of debris
hitting just right...
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Sure is lousy weather temp wise to do a water rescue today!
Apparently quite cold -- but the passengers and crew are already away from the plan and presumably being treated for car-crash type injuries.
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Bird strikes would make the engine hiccup and they do alot of damage internally. Thats why airport operation managers drive around the runway shooting fireworks, to scare them away. I'm glad that no one was hurt. The pilot did an excellant job of getting the plane down. The fuselage is airtight, so, it will float for a bit and give people time to get out.....MD
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Bird strikes would make the engine hiccup and they do alot of damage internally. Thats why airport operation managers drive around the runway shooting fireworks, to scare them away. I'm glad that no one was hurt. The pilot did an excellant job of getting the plane down. The fuselage is airtight, so, it will float for a bit and give people time to get out.....MD
I suspect the pilot will be feted as a hero -- a hard and good decision in a difficult spot.
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Three lawyers drowned and two suffered hypothemia when they attempted by swimming to be the first on the scene to sign up 'victims' for lawsuits.
Forgive me. I just couldn't help myself. :-)
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Three lawyers drowned and two suffered hypothemia when they attempted by swimming to be the first on the scene to sign up 'victims' for lawsuits.
Forgive me. I just couldn't help myself. :-)
Hi5
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This is the airline my brother flys for. The good thing for him is tha tHe;s off in Cancun right now and not flying the same route to Charlotte as this plane was going to do. Its good to see the passengers and crew get out safe.
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Three lawyers drowned and two suffered hypothemia when they attempted by swimming to be the first on the scene to sign up 'victims' for lawsuits.
Forgive me. I just couldn't help myself. :-)
And of course the sharks in the river made way -- professional courtesy
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Hi5
Make that HI5 # 2
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Bird strikes would make the engine hiccup and they do alot of damage internally. Thats why airport operation managers drive around the runway shooting fireworks, to scare them away. I'm glad that no one was hurt. The pilot did an excellant job of getting the plane down. The fuselage is airtight, so, it will float for a bit and give people time to get out.....MD
The fuel in the tanks adds some buoyancy as well.
This could have been a LOT worse...
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I suspect the pilot will be feted as a hero -- a hard and good decision in a difficult spot.
He really did a great job. Think about it. Birds take out both engines, they compressor stall, he get erratic indications, he loses power, does a "go around" to land back at LGW, engines finally can't go any more, he sets it down perfectly in the water and not in the city, saving potentially hundreds of lives. The pilot IS a hero. Birds do alot more damage than people know...MD
The jet fuel probably added to it. Water is heavier than jet fuel.
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They are towing the plane now.
Everyone is safe....unbelievable. Those pilots saved 154 souls including themselves.... :bow: :bow: :bow:
Coast Guard has divers in the water keeping the plane secure. Fox reporter says it is "bitter cold".
Gives new meaning to the phrase "the airline lost my luggage"..... :uhsure:
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Make that HI5 # 2
H5 #3 . . .
Neil Boortz was on Hannity's radio show, saying that because the flight was only to Charlotte, the fuel tanks were nowhere near as full as they would have been on a transatlantic fight, for example. The air in the tanks kept the plane afloat. Yeah, whatever grade of JP they use is lighter than water, but the additional weight of the JP displacing the air in the tanks would have caused that Airbus to sink rather rapidly.
And another thing. Boortz said that even though the pilots were able to keep the plane in one piece through their professionalism and skill, the fact that everyone survived is a testament to the professionalism and competence of the flight attendants on that plane. Lord knows that the flight attendants don't get enough appreciation most of the time. They deserve a lot more than what they're given. Today was a testament to that.
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He really did a great job. Think about it. Birds take out both engines, they compressor stall, he get erratic indications, he loses power, does a "go around" to land back at LGW, engines finally can't go any more, he sets it down perfectly in the water and not in the city, saving potentially hundreds of lives. The pilot IS a hero. Birds do alot more damage than people know...MD
The jet fuel probably added to it. Water is heavier than jet fuel.
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Add to that...that when the generator goes and there is no power coming from the engines...there is no hydraulics to steer the damn thing either.
I guarantee you that both of those pilots won't need to do any upper body muscle workouts for the next week or so.
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A buddy of mine used to work for a large ambulance company, one night responding to a call they got in a pretty serious accident. When the first company supervisor showed up he walked straight past my buddy and the guy that was driving the ambulance and started spray painting over the company name/ logo before the media arrived...
I bet US Airways wishes it could do the same based on this pic.
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CBS 2 HD has learned the crippled plane missed the George Washington Bridge by just 900 feet.
The veteran pilot, Chesley Sullenberger, guided the Airbus 320 into the Hudson near 48th Street after it lost two engines shortly after its 3:26 p.m. takeoff from LaGuardia Airport. Early reports said the plane hit a flock of birds.
The 57-year-old Sullenberger, from Danville, Calif., is a 29-year US Airways veteran and a former U.S. Air Forcer fighter pilot who flew F-4 aircraft. He is president of Safety Reliability Methods, a California safety consulting firm.
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H5 #3 . . .
Neil Boortz was on Hannity's radio show, saying that because the flight was only to Charlotte, the fuel tanks were nowhere near as full as they would have been on a transatlantic fight, for example. The air in the tanks kept the plane afloat. Yeah, whatever grade of JP they use is lighter than water, but the additional weight of the JP displacing the air in the tanks would have caused that Airbus to sink rather rapidly.
And another thing. Boortz said that even though the pilots were able to keep the plane in one piece through their professionalism and skill, the fact that everyone survived is a testament to the professionalism and competence of the flight attendants on that plane. Lord knows that the flight attendants don't get enough appreciation most of the time. They deserve a lot more than what they're given. Today was a testament to that.
You're right BLueState, I should've said Flight Crew to include the Flight Attendants. They never do get enough props.
Yes Tx, when the engine goes, hydraulic pumps go too, unless they have the APU going and have the electric pumps on. Still not enough flow rate to replace the engine pumps(12gpm vs 35gpm). I know when I taxi airplanes, I have to have the electric pumps on in case the engine pumps go. I'm not sure if this plane is fly by wire or not. Not familiar with the A320. But, regardless, the entire flight crew, pilots and flight attendants, did an awesome job. Glad everyone got out safe....MD
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Truly a miracle.
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No doubt about it, excelent flying skills. After all, he was an old F-4 PILOT.
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No doubt about it, excelent flying skills. After all, he was an old F-4 PILOT.
With 19,000 hours of flying experience!
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They did not call the F-4 "The Flying Brick" for nothing! Plus, they had, in the day, the regretable problem of "flame out" now and again for no discernable reason. They'd usually re3start, but in the meantime, you got "dead stick" experience with an aircraft with all the glide characteristics of a brick.
Where do youthink the Pilot got all that gray hair? :evillaugh:
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Sullenberger just so happens to have been from my current home town of Denison, Tx. until he joined the Air Force.
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This is worth reading:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1872247,00.html
Since 2007, he has run a safety consulting firm, Safety Reliability Methods, Inc., in addition to flying commercial aircraft
• Has been a US Airways pilot since 1980
• Served nearly seven years as an Air Force fighter pilot, attaining the rank of captain
• Served as a flight instructor, Air Line Pilots Association safety chairman, accident investigator and national technical committee member
• Has investigated aviation accidents for the Air Force and National Transportation Safety Board; helped developed new protocols for airline safety
• Recipient of a 1973 bachelor's degree from the Air Force Academy, where he majored in psychology and basic sciences and accrued an array of academic awards
• Has two master's degrees, one in industrial psychology from Purdue University (1973) and one in public administration from the University of Northern Colorado (1979)
• Recently named a visiting scholar at the University of California at Berkeley's Center for Catastrophic Risk Management
Quotes by Sullenberger:
• "Brace for impact."
— Sullenberger's announcement to those onboard the flight, as recounted by multiple passengers on the plane, The New York Times et al., Jan. 16, 2009
Quotes about Sullenberger:
• "He is the consummate pilot. He is about performing that airplane to the exact precision to which it is made."
—Lorrie Sullenberger, the pilot's wife, The New York Post, Jan. 16, 2009
• "[He] did a masterful job of landing the plane in the river and then making sure that everybody got out. He walked the plane twice after everybody else was off, and tried to verify that there was nobody else on board, and he...made sure that there was nobody behind him."
— New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, lauding Sullenberger's performance at a post-crash press conference, Jan. 15, 2009
• "I just can't believe how well he did. We're all alive because of him.""
— Beth McHugh, 64, a passenger on US Airways Flight 1549, MSNBC.com, Jan. 16, 2009
• "If anyone could do it, it would be him."
— Frank Salzmann, a Danville, Calif. neighbor, The New York Times, Jan. 16, 2009
Right man. Right place. Right time.
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Great stories of the heroism of the passengers, too:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ipKRkY9XnWmqqvBNAlBju1taRJCQD95OBTM80
The parents of a 3-year-old girl and a 9-month-old boy recounted Friday how they and a fellow passenger prepared themselves for the crash landing and escaped from the fast-submerging plane.
"I held Sophia and we did the best we could to brace ourselves up," Martin Sosa, the father, told NBC's "Today."
"And the gentleman beside me said, "Would you like me to brace your son?" said his wife, Tess Sosa. "And I said okay, because he mentioned that he had been on scary flights before."
"And he did, he braced my son. There was an impact. My son was crying. That was such a good sign to me."
And of the rescuers:
Dozens stood on the aircraft's wings on a 20-degree day, one of the coldest of the winter, as commuter ferries and Coast Guard vessels converged to rescue them.
One ferry, the Thomas Jefferson of the company NY Waterway, arrived within minutes. Riders grabbed life vests and rope and tossed them to plane passengers in the water.
"They were cheering when we pulled up," Capt. Vincent Lombardi. "People were panicking. They said, `Hurry up! Hurry up!'"
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Damn, that's a feat getting a Bachelors in Colorado and a Masters in Indiana in the same year. :uhsure:
:-)
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See Link for story:
http://www.heralddemocrat.com/hd/News/A1-PIC-Denison-native-pilot-called-a-hero-on-the-Hudson
Damn, that's a feat getting a Bachelors in Colorado and a Masters in Indiana in the same year. :uhsure:
:-)
Kev, I'd bet that some reporter has their time line off....
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I wasn't questioning him, Rob, just making a funny. :-)
No doubt someone probably got it wrong.
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I wasn't questioning him, Rob, just making a funny. :-)
No doubt someone probably got it wrong.
Actually, upon some further web investigation, it appears that he DID get both in the same year. He must be a genius or something to be able to do all that.