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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: mamacags on November 08, 2008, 07:21:30 PM
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MOSCOW (Reuters) - At least 20 people have died and 21 been injured in an accident on board a Russian nuclear-powered submarine in the Pacific Ocean, a Russian naval spokesman said on Sunday.
Radiation levels on board were normal, he said.
Russia's navy has suffered a string of fatal accidents, including the loss of the Kursk nuclear submarine in the Barents Sea in August 2000. All 118 sailors aboard died.
"More than 20 people were killed on a nuclear submarine in the Pacific Ocean during routine testing as a result of the unsanctioned functioning of the fire extinguishing systems," the navy spokesman, Igor Dygalo, said by telephone.
Dygalo did not give the name of the submarine or specify where it was located. There were 208 people on board at the time of Saturday's accident, some of them from a shipbuilding company, he added.
"The reactor section (of the submarine) is working properly," the spokesman said. "The radiation levels on the ship are normal."(more at link)
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE4A738V20081109?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&rpc=22&sp=true
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MOSCOW (Reuters) - At least 20 people have died and 21 been injured in an accident on board a Russian nuclear-powered submarine in the Pacific Ocean, a Russian naval spokesman said on Sunday.
Radiation levels on board were normal, he said.
Russia's navy has suffered a string of fatal accidents, including the loss of the Kursk nuclear submarine in the Barents Sea in August 2000. All 118 sailors aboard died.
"More than 20 people were killed on a nuclear submarine in the Pacific Ocean during routine testing as a result of the unsanctioned functioning of the fire extinguishing systems," the navy spokesman, Igor Dygalo, said by telephone.
Dygalo did not give the name of the submarine or specify where it was located. There were 208 people on board at the time of Saturday's accident, some of them from a shipbuilding company, he added.
"The reactor section (of the submarine) is working properly," the spokesman said. "The radiation levels on the ship are normal."(more at link)
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE4A738V20081109?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&rpc=22&sp=true
I seem to recall that denials like this were boilerplate during the era of the USSR. Maybe the same PR firm is running things.
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the unsanctioned functioning of the fire extinguishing systems
yikes. I believe that means they suffocated.
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yikes. I believe that means they suffocated.
Sounds like a damn crappy way to go to me...
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yikes. I believe that means they suffocated.
That's very sad. :(
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It is, worse than drowning, chest hurts like hell, then, as you go out, the pain faids and you think "Well, this is lt. Stupid way to die." Then, if you're very lucky (like me) the EMT's keep you clicking, if unconsious, until you reach the hospital.
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I seem to recall that denials like this were boilerplate during the era of the USSR. Maybe the same PR firm is running things.
if it was, no announcement would have been made at all...
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if it was, no announcement would have been made at all...
or they would have blamed it on us. :whatever:
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It is, worse than drowning, chest hurts like hell, then, as you go out, the pain faids and you think "Well, this is lt. Stupid way to die." Then, if you're very lucky (like me) the EMT's keep you clicking, if unconsious, until you reach the hospital.
I think it's worse than that. dying in an atmosphere of fire retardant chemicals like halon is agonizing.
I was playing around on google earth the other day, and for some reason I found myself looking at russian navy bases. their fleet is rotting at the pier.
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Another reason why we never went with Halon-type systems on our boats.
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Another reason why we never went with Halon-type systems on our boats.
what did we go with? as a navy brat, I should probably know this . . . .
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what did we go with? as a navy brat, I should probably know this . . . .
Water--always have, probably always will. I know skimmers have some very limited uses of Halon but even they're getting away from that. We've had the "vari-nozzle" since the late 80's/early 90's. Took the place of the old nozzle and spray attachment. Very effective as long as header pressure was about 80 psi or higher. Not worth a shit below that.
Boats, like skimmers, had basically 3 types of fire extinguishers: AFFF (aqueous film forming foam), PKP (Purple K-potassium-Powder), which when used together are extremely effective on oil/fuel fires, and CO2. Basic rule of thumb was that if you can't put it out with two fire extinguishers you need hoses, which is why they ALWAYS got rigged out, regardless of fire size. Period.
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Water--always have, probably always will. I know skimmers have some very limited uses of Halon but even they're getting away from that. We've had the "vari-nozzle" since the late 80's/early 90's. Took the place of the old nozzle and spray attachment. Very effective as long as header pressure was about 80 psi or higher. Not worth a shit below that.
Boats, like skimmers, had basically 3 types of fire extinguishers: AFFF (aqueous film forming foam), PKP (Purple K-potassium-Powder), which when used together are extremely effective on oil/fuel fires, and CO2. Basic rule of thumb was that if you can't put it out with two fire extinguishers you need hoses, which is why they ALWAYS got rigged out, regardless of fire size. Period.
good post. thanks for the info.
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I'm guessing we're going to see more of tis type of accident as Russia tries to scrape the rust off of their fleet and put it back to see.
It's the penalty for letting all of those subs sit in port with no maintenance program.
Putin needs to do something about it if he wants to continue his plan for the second coming of the USSR
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Another reason why we never went with Halon-type systems on our boats.
A lot of the older ships had Halon 1301 systems.
On ships the combination of PKP and AFFF would never happen as there was never enough PKP on a ship to be used with the amount of AFFF in a Fuel oil fire. There were many differnces on how fires were fought between ships and subs.
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Sounds like a damn crappy way to go to me...
It's not like there is really any clean way to check out on a pigboat.
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A lot of the older ships had Halon 1301 systems.
On ships the combination of PKP and AFFF would never happen as there was never enough PKP on a ship to be used with the amount of AFFF in a Fuel oil fire. There were many differnces on how fires were fought between ships and subs.
CH--I said LIMITED uses of Halon, such as magazines, etc. And even then we got rid of most of the stuff by the late 90's because of the greenhouse gas issue, much like Freon, etc.
And you'd be amazed the size of fire you could put out with 1 AFFF working with a PKP. Use the PKP to knock down the flames, and hit the sides of the wall/bilge with AFFF and let it cover/cool the fire. Yes, reflash was a problem, especially with the PKP.
I read from Naval Safety Center way back in the day anyway that less than 2 percent of all boat fires were oil/fuel related. The vast majority were electrical.
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It's not like there is really any clean way to check out on a pigboat.
Sure there is--implosion. Pass crush depth and the debate is whether you'd live long enough to drown. We pretty well figured out we wouldn't because we'd either 1--turn to crispy critters from the adiabatic compression where all the oil vapor, etc, ignites, or 2--all the crap crushing around us would hit/crush/kill us first anyway.
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I said clean, not quick. There's all kinds of quick ways.
:tongue:
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I said clean, not quick. There's all kinds of quick ways.
:tongue:
As opposed to an RPG-7 or sabot round punching through armor plate?
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I'm guessing we're going to see more of tis type of accident as Russia tries to scrape the rust off of their fleet and put it back to see.
It's the penalty for letting all of those subs sit in port with no maintenance program.
Putin needs to do something about it if he wants to continue his plan for the second coming of the USSR
except it was a newly launched sub undergoing sea trials.
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While I could tell you some real ugly, tear-jerking stories about that, I'll just stick with saying that us ground combat types generally die of massive coronaries in the chow line, going back for thirds of the barbecued baby back ribs.
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except it was a newly launched sub undergoing sea trials.
You suck at being a Communist appeaser matrix.
Construction of the Nerpa, an Akula II class attack submarine, started in 1991 but was suspended for years because of a shortage of funding, they said. Testing on the submarine began last month and it submerged for the first time last week.
I stand behind what I said. 18 year old sub sitting there with little or no upkeep due to lack of funds.
This wasn't a "new" sub that had just finished going through the assembly process.
Hope that jerking knee of yours didn't give you a concussion.
:whatever:
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You suck at being a Communist appeaser matrix.
I stand behind what I said. 18 year old sub sitting there with little or no upkeep due to lack of funds.
This wasn't a "new" sub that had just finished going through the assembly process.
Hope that jerking knee of yours didn't give you a concussion.
:whatever:
ok, so a submarine that is finally completed and launched is an old, rusting (even though it wasn't in the water) hulk that was really sitting in the water with no maintenance program, right?
I must say it is pretty funny when you explode like that.
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except it was a newly launched sub undergoing sea trials.
No it wasn't. It was originally launched in 1991 and sat next to the pier for 16 years before they brought it out of mothballs.
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ok, so a submarine that is finally completed and launched is an old, rusting (even though it wasn't in the water) hulk that was really sitting in the water with no maintenance program, right?
I must say it is pretty funny when you explode like that.
Keep talking, John. I love it when you don't know what the **** you're talking about yet try to sound smrat. Let the adults who DO know what's what discuss and you can sit your ass in the corner and read the posts, m'kay? It's pretty damned obvious you've never been on a boat, been in a shipyard environment, nor do you have any idea of what it's like putting the equipment on a boat into layup.
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That's very sad. :(
I am reminded of the Kursk - thank God this wasn't as bad.
Prayers for the poor souls and their families. Prayers that the Russian Government is telling the truth and the rest of the crew isn't contaminated.
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Here's where I'm getting a bit confused. I'm wondering what kind of emergency air system the Russians have on their Akulas, or were there simply too many people in the compartment? I know on the boat we could have an EAB on and plugged in, breathing air, in less than 10 seconds regardless of where we were on the boat, period.
A rapid purge would sound some sort of alarm, of course, but what about a slow leak into the compartment?
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Here's where I'm getting a bit confused. I'm wondering what kind of emergency air system the Russians have on their Akulas, or were there simply too many people in the compartment? I know on the boat we could have an EAB on and plugged in, breathing air, in less than 10 seconds regardless of where we were on the boat, period.
A rapid purge would sound some sort of alarm, of course, but what about a slow leak into the compartment?
Could there have been some kind of leak that only revealed itself as systems were spun up? And before anyone realized what was happeneing it killed those 20 people?
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No it wasn't. It was originally launched in 1991 and sat next to the pier for 16 years before they brought it out of mothballs.
...no, it wasn't. It was launched in 2000.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/971.htm
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Construction of the Nerpa, an Akula II class attack submarine, started in 1991 but was suspended for years because of a shortage of funding, they said. Testing on the submarine began last month and it submerged for the first time last week.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,449121,00.html
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,449121,00.html
yet it was launched in 2000.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/971.htm
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Keep talking, John. I love it when you don't know what the **** you're talking about yet try to sound smrat. Let the adults who DO know what's what discuss and you can sit your ass in the corner and read the posts, m'kay? It's pretty damned obvious you've never been on a boat, been in a shipyard environment, nor do you have any idea of what it's like putting the equipment on a boat into layup.
I guess you are too "smrat" to have you facts in order.
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When I was in 3rd ACR, there was an incident or two of tankers setting off the halon fire suppression systems in M1A1s. I think a tank driver in 3rd ID got himself killed that way when he couldn't get out of the tank in time. I remember one of my guys setting one of the systems off on a snap alert inspection when I was there. The troop XO and I had some nasty words before the SMO broke us up.
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Anyone else think Matrix is a KGB sleeper?
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Anyone else think Matrix is a KGB sleeper?
No .Even in the KGB they require you to have some kind of functioning brain stem. Matrix can't even spell it.
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yet it was launched in 2000.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/971.htm
So they started the boat in 1994. It sat in the shipyard for six years and then was launched in 2000. Now eight years later it submerged for the first time.
Nope no corrosion going on there for the first six years and definently non over the last eight years.
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Anyone else think Matrix is a KGB sleeper?
no, i admit i am. I am a communist/kgb agent because I dared disagree with the all-knowing entity known as "TRG"
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no, i admit i am. I am a communist/kgb agent because I dared disagree with the all-knowing entity known as "TRG"
No, that isn't it. I just know that every damn time I see a f'n post about Russia or Communism, you're going to be in it bumping your damn soup coolers.
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No, that isn't it. I just know that every damn time I see a f'n post about Russia or Communism, you're going to be in it bumping your damn soup coolers.
Your slight, and i mean slight exaggeration aside, ignore my posts if they anger you so much.
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Go back to CU or NU ****stick. The last thing we need is a Commie cheerleader here.Bad enough we got one for President.
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Go back to CU or NU ****stick. The last thing we need is a Commie cheerleader here.Bad enough we got one for President.
No.
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Just in case your not getting the picture Marty.
(http://jeremy.zawodny.com/i/finger.gif)
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Just in case your not getting the picture Marty.
(http://jeremy.zawodny.com/i/finger.gif)
wow, you're such a tough guy. You posted a picture of a middle finger. I bet they called you "badass" in high school.
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Anyone else think Matrix is a KGB sleeper?
The KGB is known to draft intelligent people. That pretty much leaves Matrix out. No one can even PRETEND to be that stupid.
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The KGB is known to draft intelligent people. That pretty much leaves Matrix out. No one can even PRETEND to be that stupid.
tell me where i was wrong. There is a saying. It said "those that cannot debate, defame." Apparently this thread proves it is true.
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Anyone else think Matrix is a KGB sleeper?
Worst than that IMHO...he's an appeaser and an apologist for everything they do.
Notice he ONLY shows up whenever something is mentioned about his precious USSR.
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Worst than that IMHO...he's an appeaser and an apologist for everything they do.
Notice he ONLY shows up whenever something is mentioned about his precious USSR.
lol, you really are good at being wrong. A simple check of my posting history would suffice.
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lol, you really are good at being wrong. A simple check of my posting history would suffice.
There's not one thread on the USSR or Russia that you're not in.
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There's not one thread on the USSR or Russia that you're not in.
LOL. Check out the medvedev putting missiles by poland. Let me know how many posts I have there
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LOL. Check out the medvedev putting missiles by poland. Let me know how many posts I have there
And again without realizing it you show us what a tool you are.
The very fact you know about that thread and have more than likely read all the way through it shows that all you care about is trolling the threads posted here about your dear Motherland and tossing out propaganda where you see fit.
You haven't posted in that one....yet...but that's because you're too busy clicking refresh on this thread.
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And again without realizing it you show us what a tool you are.
The very fact you know about that thread and have more than likely read all the way through it shows that all you care about is trolling the threads posted here about your dear Motherland and tossing out propaganda where you see fit.
You haven't posted in that one....yet...but that's because you're too busy clicking refresh on this thread.
maybe it means i'm not blind, since its a few inches down from the top. What propaganda have i tossed out? LOL Keep it up TRG, it gets funnier by the moment. Thanks for proving rebel wrong, by the way.
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Maybe if you weren't such a dipshit people wouldn't be so eager to turn you into a cyber-pinata, you booger-eating mouth-breather.
Again, let the adults talk while you sit in the corner and listen. You've added nothing of use to the conversation.
AP is saying Freon, but that makes absolutely ZERO sense. You do NOT use Freon to fight fires. Either AP screwed up, or the Russians are stupider than I thought.
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Maybe if you weren't such a dipshit people wouldn't be so eager to turn you into a cyber-pinata, you booger-eating mouth-breather.
Again, let the adults talk while you sit in the corner and listen. You've added nothing of use to the conversation.
AP is saying Freon, but that makes absolutely ZERO sense. You do NOT use Freon to fight fires. Either AP screwed up, or the Russians are stupider than I thought.
oh please, if i say anything the same old group comes in and posts the same stupid insults.
Anyway, the soviets/russians have used freon fire fighting systems for decades. At least according to a guy that used to work over there that i know.
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Maybe if you weren't such a dipshit people wouldn't be so eager to turn you into a cyber-pinata, you booger-eating mouth-breather.
Again, let the adults talk while you sit in the corner and listen. You've added nothing of use to the conversation.
AP is saying Freon, but that makes absolutely ZERO sense. You do NOT use Freon to fight fires. Either AP screwed up, or the
Russians are stupider than I thought.
There not any smarter...............however Halon 1301 is in the family with freon.
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fair warning, gentlemen. we are inching ever closer to fight club territory.
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There not any smarter...............however Halon 1301 is in the family with freon.
True, but freon is far easier to break down into phosgene. Just add heat.
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Ever heard the saying "Rust never sleeps!" ? Catchy, and TRUE. :thatsright:
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Is there anyone here that can show the commie cheerleader the way to NU. He seems to think we give a **** about his motherland.
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True, but freon is far easier to break down into phosgene. Just add heat.
I know...............I cleaned and calibrated all your O2 stuff in San Diego and Bangor. I know our standing order of always looking into the O2 room to see if anyone was laid out
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I know...............I cleaned and calibrated all your O2 stuff in San Diego and Bangor. I know our standing order of always looking into the O2 room to see if anyone was laid out
Ah, I forget which division that was--R-9? I did my tender tour in Guam between boats. Started on the Proteus, crossdecked over to the Holland. Yeah, O2/N2 shop was not someplace I liked to hang out if I could help it. Of course, most of the crew could say the same about the NSF.
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Ah, I forget which division that was--R-9? I did my tender tour in Guam between boats. Started on the Proteus, crossdecked over to the Holland. Yeah, O2/N2 shop was not someplace I liked to hang out if I could help it. Of course, most of the crew could say the same about the NSF.
It was R-4 on the McKee and Dixon. Shop 96A, MIRCS lab. We also did all your contaminated gage cals. Code 330 at TRF Bangor.
I hated resin discharges :censored:
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Ah, I forget which division that was--R-9? I did my tender tour in Guam between boats. Started on the Proteus, crossdecked over to the Holland. Yeah, O2/N2 shop was not someplace I liked to hang out if I could help it. Of course, most of the crew could say the same about the NSF.
MarDet Canopus.
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It was R-4 on the McKee and Dixon. Shop 96A, MIRCS lab. We also did all your contaminated gage cals. Code 330 at TRF Bangor.
I hated resin discharges :censored:
You would have REALLY hated the one we did off my first boat in Pearl.