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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2008 => Topic started by: Traveshamockery on November 03, 2008, 05:38:17 AM
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OMG! My 23-year-old college age son told me yesterday he is thinking of voting for Obama. When I asked him why, he said John McCain's temper makes him "uncomfortable." WTF? He lives in Indiana. When I told my husband this, he actually said maybe he needs to go to Barack Obama to get the tuition for his last semester of college then because Barack Obama will be wiping us out financially. He lives in Indiana and we know what's going on there.
I'm going to send him an e-mail today laying out exactly why he should NOT be voting for Barack Obama - any suggestions? I have plenty of examples for him but the e-mail has to be short and sweet because I know he skims over the long ones.
He's getting ready to graduate from college in the spring ~ how can he not realize how much this election affects his near future?
:thatsright:
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My 23-year-old college age son .........
You can't tell a 23 year old anything -- they are more nuanced than we are mom, surely you know that!
9/11 occured because of a president who is half the leftist appeaser that obama is. Tell your son to start working out now cause the draft will soon be upon him so he will need to be in his best shape to ship out.
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OMG! My 23-year-old college age son told me yesterday he is thinking of voting for Obama. When I asked him why, he said John McCain's temper makes him "uncomfortable." WTF? He lives in Indiana. When I told my husband this, he actually said maybe he needs to go to Barack Obama to get the tuition for his last semester of college then because Barack Obama will be wiping us out financially. He lives in Indiana and we know what's going on there.
I'm going to send him an e-mail today laying out exactly why he should NOT be voting for Barack Obama - any suggestions? I have plenty of examples for him but the e-mail has to be short and sweet because I know he skims over the long ones.
He's getting ready to graduate from college in the spring ~ how can he not realize how much this election affects his near future?
:thatsright:
Well, he can know that when double digit inflation hits, he better have some of that student loan money left to pay for groceries, gas, etc. Might wanna convey that to him. Also other points such as his "civilian military force", meeting unconditionally with the nutjob in Iran, etc.
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You can't tell a 23 year old anything -- they are more nuanced than we are mom, surely you know that!
Don't I know? And all this time I thought he was developing some common sense. :hammer:
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College campuses are handing out Kool-Aid in buckets now. :banghead:
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Send him some of the stuff of Barack's involvement with ACORN and the housing situation. Those things have directly impacted the economy and his future since the longer baby boomers can't retire with crappy returns on retirments savings, the harder it will be for new graduates like him to get a job. Thanks Barack! :whatever:
McCain's temper...you know, that was an issue for me when he was in Arizona too, but it is important to remember that he will be surrounded by competent(we would expect) cabinet members and a capable VP. For all his 'temper', McCain has held a Senate seat for years in a state that has seen leaps and bounds in growth for the last 20 years: Arizona. That character quality alone given how shady Obama is should not disquality him from the presidency. Hell, it can't even be determined if Obama is even legal to run for president. I'm not sure if that concerns him that Obama may not potentially even meet qualifications. What kind of quandry will that create if it is discovered AFTER he is elected that this is indeed true? I'm sorry, but a presidential candidate should have some transparency at the very least in his qualifications. These things should concern your son if nothing else compared to an immeasurable quality like temperament especially given the person in question has managed his 'temperament' for many years as a national figure.
Just a few thoughts.
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You can try, but don't make yourself crazy about it. That age is still in the 'know it all' phase many times. Anything you say will have to resonate with his youth or money prospects. Best of luck!
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I like his Dad's idea. Don't try to tell him who to vote for, just tell him that IF Obama gets elected, the gravy train has left the station without him on board. If that happens you can expect a merely 'troubled' business climate to go downhill like a bobsled with a JATO pack, and household energy costs to go through the roof. Charity begins at home.
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Tell him that Obama has a great idea, "Spread the wealth around". Explain how for the last 23 years, and especially the last few, he's been getting more than his fair share of the wealth. So, you and pop have decided to cut him off until you catch up in the "Spreading the wealth around" department, gonna get new car and pickup, some new furniture, maybe remodel the house even though you can't afford it since he and others his age are going to be paying off the debts of those that couldn't afford houses anyway.
....then go slap his socialist professors.
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Just say you respect his right to make bad choices and remind him to vote on November 5th. ;) :-)
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Tell him that Obama has a great idea, "Spread the wealth around". Explain how for the last 23 years, and especially the last few, he's been getting more than his fair share of the wealth. So, you and pop have decided to cut him off until you catch up in the "Spreading the wealth around" department, gonna get new car and pickup, some new furniture, maybe remodel the house even though you can't afford it since he and others his age are going to be paying off the debts of those that couldn't afford houses anyway.
....then go slap his socialist professors.
That sounds like a good idea...especially since he has not had to take out loans for school. Mom and Dad have paid for it with the very clear understanding that this was our contribution to the beginning of his adult life and making his own way in the world without starting out with school loans. We are already feeling the pinch of the possibility of a Barack presidency. I have my own small business and have lost some clients recently and have not made an effort to replace them yet because of the tax implications with an Obama presidency as my income puts us over the ever-moving definition of "rich," according to Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
Speaking of socialist professors - he had one last semester. He had to write a midterm paper on Marxism and, coincidentally, he wrote his with the slant that he did not approve (hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - maybe that's my opportunity to teach him this very important lesson) of Marxism and the professor gave him a "D." This young man is a 3.6 GPA student and that would have dropped his grade so he ended up dropping the class after because this grade was so heavily weighted.
So he's had his experience with a socialist professor. I think this might be the perfect example for him.
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Whatever you son thinks his reasons for voting for Obama might be 5 mins of research will prove:
A) There is no record of Obama delivering on the promise
B) Obama has done the exact opposite when he has had the chance to act
Obama studied under Saul Alinsky who taught his students to be politically vague so they could appear to be all things to all people just so they could gain power and then enact their socialist dreams. Obama is a game-player, expose him as such.
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My son (19) who is going to college in Cleveland hasn't told me who he is voting for but I have a strange feeling he might not vote for McCain. He mad a comment about Palin being a "ditz" after the VP Debate. I did explain to him that the media is against her and is giving that impression and I have told him why I wont be voting for Obama. He is a very smart kid and never one to "go with the crowd" so I do have hope. I helped him get registered (here in Texas while he was in Clelveland) and how to vote absentee so it is beyond our control. He still is the same kid no matter who he votes for so I'm not even going to ask. I don't want to know. I can't imagine him voting for Obama with the views he has stated in the past but never say never.
If he did vote for Obama I can only hope he is one of the people that in their 20's are a liberal because he has a "heart" but eventually grows into his "brain".
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My son (19) who is going to college in Cleveland hasn't told me who he is voting for but I have a strange feeling he might not vote for McCain. He mad a comment about Palin being a "ditz" after the VP Debate. I did explain to him that the media is against her and is giving that impression and I have told him why I wont be voting for Obama. He is a very smart kid and never one to "go with the crowd" so I do have hope. I helped him get registered (here in Texas while he was in Clelveland) and how to vote absentee so it is beyond our control. He still is the same kid no matter who he votes for so I'm not even going to ask. I don't want to know. I can't imagine him voting for Obama with the views he has stated in the past but never say never.
If he did vote for Obama I can only hope he is one of the people that in their 20's are a liberal because he has a "heart" but eventually grows into his "brain".
well, if he's going to vote for obama, I am glad it willl be in texas and not ohio. good thinking. :wink:
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well, if he's going to vote for obama, I am glad it willl be in texas and not ohio. good thinking. :wink:
I actually thought about that. After he registered here in Texas he said that someone (who did happen to be from ACORN) told him he only had to live in Cleveland 30 days to register there. :p
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I'm in Texas and he goes to school in Indiana, where I grew up. Indiana needs all the McCain votes they can get right now but I'd be shocked to see Indiana go for Obama. I'm sure it doesn't matter, but I don't know anyone in my family or my friends from Indiana who are voting for Barack Obama (unless my son does :thatsright:) which may just say more about my friends and family than the Hoosier State.
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I'm in Texas and he goes to school in Indiana, where I grew up. Indiana needs all the McCain votes they can get right now but I'd be shocked to see Indiana go for Obama. I'm sure it doesn't matter, but I don't know anyone in my family or my friends from Indiana who are voting for Barack Obama (unless my son does :thatsright:) which may just say more about my friends and family than the Hoosier State.
Where in Texas are you?
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Where in Texas are you?
I'm on the liberal island of Austin (actually Round Rock) surrounded by red state Texas. Are you in Texas, too?
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I'm on the liberal island of Austin (actually Round Rock) surrounded by red state Texas. Are you in Texas, too?
Yes, North Dallas area. My husband's cousin and her family lives in Austin (they support McCain). Perhaps I can introduce you too her if you feel all alone in Liberal Austin. :p
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I'm on the liberal island of Austin (actually Round Rock) surrounded by red state Texas. Are you in Texas, too?
I grew up in the "People's Republik of Austin". I know just how you feel. They really need to shut down that little liberal arts college downtown (t.u.). :-)
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I grew up in the "People's Republik of Austin". I know just how you feel. They really need to shut down that little liberal arts college downtown (t.u.).
My son almost attended that little liberal college in downtown Austin. He decided to go back to Indiana (where David Shuster went to college).
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This young man is a 3.6 GPA student and that would have dropped his grade so he ended up dropping the class after because this grade was so heavily weighted.
Well, ask him if he would like to 'share' some of his fantastic GPA with someone who hasn't worked as hard ..... you know, so they can pass too.
Hey, looks like he has plenty to spare and he really needs to help those (in Baracks own words) coming up behind him!
KC
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Well, I know 3 college boys that voted for McCain...2 in CO, and 1 in LA. My nephews.
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Well, ask him if he would like to 'share' some of his fantastic GPA with someone who hasn't worked as hard ..... you know, so they can pass too.
Hey, looks like he has plenty to spare and he really needs to help those (in Baracks own words) coming up behind him!
KC
Funny, that's exactly the example I used to explain socialism to my son :cheersmate:
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Funny, that's exactly the example I used to explain socialism to my son :cheersmate:
I have heard that one many, many times and it fits perfectly for those in school who are working hard and EARN their grades. It is very simple for them to understand and they are on the ground, so to speak, and see what those who are getting poor grades are doing with THEIR free time.
KC
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What happened with U. T.'s tuition fees? Once a great bargan, they are now no different than SUNY's or other State Universities! Alternately, the "Perfessers" used to be apolitical in class and on campus too...what happened?
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I have heard that one many, many times and it fits perfectly for those in school who are working hard and EARN their grades. It is very simple for them to understand and they are on the ground, so to speak, and see what those who are getting poor grades are doing with THEIR free time.
KC
I've used the same anaology with all of my kids. I'm fairly certain my son voted for McCain but I can't say for 100%. I did vote for one democrat this year, her name is Karen Guerra and is running for Judge of the 16th District Court. My good friend worked for the incumbent Republican and talked me into voting for the democrat (my friend is what you would consider a "right winger"). She even went as far to write a letter to the editor about it, she felt that strongly.
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By Peggy Noonan:
However: It was a night during the Republican Convention in September, and two former U.S. senators, who had served with Mr. McCain for a combined 16 years, were having drinks in a hotel dining room. I told them I collected stories of senators who'd been cursed out by John McCain, and they laughed and told me of times they'd been the target of his wrath on the Senate floor.
The talk turned to presidents they had known, and why they had wanted the job. This one wanted it as the last item on his résumé, that one wanted it out of an inflated sense of personal destiny. Is that why Mr. McCain wants it? "No," said one, reflectively. "He wants to help the country." The other added, with almost an air of wonder, "He wants to make America stronger, he really does." And then they spoke, these two men who'd been bruised by him, of John McCain's honest patriotism.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122539802263585317.html
The rest of the article isn't as "pro McCain" as that, so read it before sending it.
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I've used the same anaology with all of my kids. I'm fairly certain my son voted for McCain but I can't say for 100%. I did vote for one democrat this year, her name is Karen Guerra and is running for Judge of the 16th District Court. My good friend worked for the incumbent Republican and talked me into voting for the democrat (my friend is what you would consider a "right winger"). She even went as far to write a letter to the editor about it, she felt that strongly.
I voted for a couple of democrats, several libertarians and a couple of republicans. I do my research and make my choices. Jim McReynolds is one of the dems I voted for .... he's one of the good guys.
KC
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I've used the same anaology with all of my kids. I'm fairly certain my son voted for McCain but I can't say for 100%. I did vote for one democrat this year, her name is Karen Guerra and is running for Judge of the 16th District Court. My good friend worked for the incumbent Republican and talked me into voting for the democrat (my friend is what you would consider a "right winger"). She even went as far to write a letter to the editor about it, she felt that strongly.
screw analogies. ask 'em how "hungry ditch digger" sounds as a career choice.
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screw analogies. ask 'em how "hungry ditch digger" sounds as a career choice.
Indeed.
What's this college educated genius gonna do for a living if Obama starts capping wages, penalizing the politically unfashionable and nationalizing everything he bankrupts with his failed policies just to keep things fair.
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Indeed.
What's this college educated genius gonna do for a living if Obama starts capping wages, penalizing the politically unfashionable and nationalizing everything he bankrupts with his failed policies just to keep things fair.
I know I don't have to say this but I am anyway (and I'm on steroids so I am automatically pissed off), don't diss my kid.
Edited to add: you better not reply negatively or I'll likely rip your face off. Just humor me and say "I'm so sorry, you are right about anything and everything".
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ground him for all of tomorrow
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Ya know, I think I would just tell my son the 2 things 'O' has said that have scared me the most.
1.) He said he wouldn't raise the capital gains tax to collect more taxes for the government but because that is what is FAIR.
2.) He wants to spread the wealth.
Those 2 things alone make it impossible to vote for any person wanting to govern the U. S. A.
KC
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Ya know, I think I would just tell my son the 2 things 'O' has said that have scared me the most.
1.) He said he wouldn't raise the capital gains tax to collect more taxes for the government but because that is what is FAIR.
2.) He wants to spread the wealth.
Those 2 things alone make it impossible to vote for any person wanting to govern the U. S. A.
KC
I am sure that was a typo, but he said he would raise capital gains taxes, even though that would decrease gov't revenues and discourage savings and investment, because of a "fairness issue".
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I am sure that was a typo, but he said he would raise capital gains taxes, even though that would decrease gov't revenues and discourage savings and investment, because of a "fairness issue".
Actually I worded it poorly. What I was saying was he said he wouldn't raise it because it would bring in more taxes but rather he WOULD raise it because it was fair.
KC
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I sent him an e-mail yesterday morning and just laid it out and how it personally would affect OUR family. Money would not be flowing as freely in the family (not that it flows all that freely anyway) but his plane trips from there to here paid for by mom and dad would be nonexistent, that Christmas cash he counts on every year would be curtailed and those little "loans" (which are never paid back) would be few and far between, if ever.
I told him those weren't threats or punishments - just merely the facts of dealing with the realities of an economy where money is taken from the rich and given to the poor. I told him all of our retirement planning would have to be reworked and golly gee, there might not be as much money left for him in our wills. He's an only child.
:rotf: :rotf:
His major is communications and he's got a pretty good chance of getting a job either in TV or radio. I told him that those businesses would be affected as well. People would not be able to afford advertising and revenues for radio and TV stations would be down and they might not be ble to afford to hire people.