UPDATE 11/10/2016 12:00PM ET
Democratic Underground is still down, but we're not out! While Elad works on the site's back-end, we've decided to go old-school.
When DU first launched 16 years ago, the Web was a much plainer, simpler experience. Way back in the day we used to accept article submissions from DU members via email, which we would then publish manually on our HTML homepage over our 56K modem connection (yes, we're old).
So given that our super-duper up-to-date modern technology is letting us down in this time of need, we're going to to things the old-fashioned way. We'll post a question of the day, and then you email us your answer. We'll publish the best ones right here on our 503 error page while we're working to get the rest of the site back up. You don't have to write a book, or even a long essay -- just give us your thoughts.
Here's Thursday's Question Of The Day:
How are you feeling now that the election is over?
Send your answer to mail@democraticunderground.com. Make the subject of your email "Question of the Day". Please make sure to include your DU username in the email so that we can publish it when we publish your response.
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that just sounds dirty
Response by hlthe2b
Defiance over Despair, Determination over Depression.
In a perverse way, the illegal infiltration of democraticunderground.com-- by those who wish only destruction and the silencing of liberal political view--stands in parallel to what has happened to our country in this election. Similarly, the elements behind both will ultimately fail. We will neither accept, nor embrace the darkness.
Response by Mainer
How'm I feeling? Scared. Alone. Plus DU's still down and its Facebook page is now filled with posts by rightwing trolls "celebrating liberal tears" and stirring up paranoia that Skinner is a scam artist, etc. So I'm glad you're at least giving us updates. It feels like we're being attacked from all sides -- by the alt-right, Russia, wikileaks, everyone who's ever hated liberals. Attacks are also coming at me personally (and at my rather well-known entertainment acquaintances) on Twitter.
I don't get the rage from my pro-Bernie compatriots. I was gung-ho for Bernie too, but there came a time to unite against the bigger enemy, and it seems they couldn't see the bigger picture. Which just makes me depressed.
Response by Madamesilverspurs
We have good reason to be appalled by the outcome of this election. Yet, following the gasp of horrified disbelief came the realization that WE will be fine. “Yes WE Can†still abides, because WE, you and I, are the same good people we were before this nightmare. You and I are not the ones who elected a fascist bully. So, yes, we will get through this sickening grief. Regardless of anything he says or does, we are not diminished, we will never be the kind of people who did this thing. And that matters, because now more than ever this country is going to need us.
Response by hlthe2b
Defiance over Despair, Determination over Depression.
In a perverse way, the illegal infiltration of democraticunderground.com-- by those who wish only destruction and the silencing of liberal political view--stands in parallel to what has happened to our country in this election. Similarly, the elements behind both will ultimately fail. We will neither accept, nor embrace the darkness.
Response by Mainer
How'm I feeling? Scared. Alone. Plus DU's still down and its Facebook page is now filled with posts by rightwing trolls "celebrating liberal tears" and stirring up paranoia that Skinner is a scam artist, etc. So I'm glad you're at least giving us updates. It feels like we're being attacked from all sides -- by the alt-right, Russia, wikileaks, everyone who's ever hated liberals. Attacks are also coming at me personally (and at my rather well-known entertainment acquaintances) on Twitter.
I don't get the rage from my pro-Bernie compatriots. I was gung-ho for Bernie too, but there came a time to unite against the bigger enemy, and it seems they couldn't see the bigger picture. Which just makes me depressed.
Response by Madamesilverspurs
We have good reason to be appalled by the outcome of this election. Yet, following the gasp of horrified disbelief came the realization that WE will be fine. “Yes WE Can†still abides, because WE, you and I, are the same good people we were before this nightmare. You and I are not the ones who elected a fascist bully. So, yes, we will get through this sickening grief. Regardless of anything he says or does, we are not diminished, we will never be the kind of people who did this thing. And that matters, because now more than ever this country is going to need us.
Response by Peabody
I feel totally numb. The Bush years were financially difficult for me and my family and to think we'll have to endure at least 4 years of Trump forces me to block out my feelings of dread, hunder down, and try and set myself up do the best I can in the coming environment.
Response by Dawnie51
I am not doing very well. I am too old, I’ve seen too much. This is physically bad for me, and mentally, way past that. As Hillary said, this will take a long time to get better. Something is very, very wrong with this country, and I probably won’t be around to see it rebound, if and when it does. I’m afraid, for the first time in my adult life. That’s how I feel post election. The druid under the bridge is in the White House. God help us.
Response by live love laugh
I remain calm after I talked a few people off the ledge yesterday. My reasoning is: it was stolen--again. I’ve been with DU since Bush stole office. I shared with my sister that it’s impossible for people like the POTUS and Hillary not to know about election theft not have done more to fix this problem which I see as the most pressing problem in our country. I have very little sympathy and I blame Hillary and our president for not doing more about this treasonous crime. My 80 year old mother woke up vowing to never vote again after seeing the results. The protest marches, the volatile markets—all conform to the reality and logic that Hillary was the winning candidate--there was nothing that put Trump ahead of Hillary to “win†the election. Furthermore, academically, it’s just not probable that repeated elections end with razor-thin margins—that every other person is a Trump supporter. It’s simply not true. I will vote and let my vote be stolen but I will not be sucked in by the manufactured drama that is Amerikka’s election process.
Response by Phylny
I am filled with sadness, hopelessness, despair, and hatred. I am really, really not proud of the hate. I'm ashamed of myself for it, actually, and feel like an idiot for being so hateful. I think I look like an idiot, too.
I'm also just now (haha) understanding and coming to grips with the fact that I don't have to worry about my country or the world anymore - Republicans are in charge, and I'll sit back for a little bit and watch them screw us all. I can't effect change right now, and those who voted for Trump can take over. I hope they get everything they wanted. Right now, I'm that bitter. Not a pretty picture.
If I'm lucky enough to have grandchildren, they'll live in the world we left behind in the 70's - air pollution that causes birth defects and crime (lead in the air) and that peels the paint off cars (acid rain) and global climate change that's going to destroy many people, places, and things.
I live in an area where there are very poor people - people who live on disability with SNAP and WIC for food and Medicaid for their kids. These are the people in my county who either didn't vote or voted for Trump. "Keep government out of our lives" people. I'm trying not to be vindictive in my thoughts and trying to get over the feeling that they got what they deserve. I am also not proud of that.
I am very worried about my two children who get healthcare thanks to the ACA. One will have to leave a job she loves. The other will hopefully get the job she just interviewed for, which has benefits. My sweet friend will die an unpleasant death - she will literally suffocate - without medicine that costs $200,000 per year.
Most of all, I really missed and needed the DU community and found myself fruitlessly clicking on my link to DU even though I knew the website was down. I've secluded myself for a little bit and am working on tamping down my anger and hurt.
Response by steve2470
I am feeling profoundly shocked, saddened, disgusted, angry, and amazed that my fellow Americans would willingly elect Hitler-lite, a neo-Nazi in stealth, an out and out BIGOT.
Response by 47of74
**** you Republicans.
Response by Peabody
I feel totally numb. The Bush years were financially difficult for me and my family and to think we'll have to endure at least 4 years of Trump forces me to block out my feelings of dread, hunder down, and try and set myself up do the best I can in the coming environment.
Response by Dawnie51
I am not doing very well. I am too old, I’ve seen too much. This is physically bad for me, and mentally, way past that. As Hillary said, this will take a long time to get better. Something is very, very wrong with this country, and I probably won’t be around to see it rebound, if and when it does. I’m afraid, for the first time in my adult life. That’s how I feel post election. The druid under the bridge is in the White House. God help us.
Response by Mainstreetonce
I was shocked. I followed every electoral map site twenty times a day. I saw a blue wall. When it started to crumble, l couldn't believe it. Then PA started turning red. I fell asleep in my PA bed knowing what I would wake up to had touched home. It was almost like 9/11.
What helps a little now is knowing it would have been so ugly either way and Hillary has been spared that. It bothers me that Obama has to deal with this and I love him for his words of peace.
All DUers, we have to find our own peace.
Response by live love laugh
I remain calm after I talked a few people off the ledge yesterday. My reasoning is: it was stolen--again. I’ve been with DU since Bush stole office. I shared with my sister that it’s impossible for people like the POTUS and Hillary not to know about election theft not have done more to fix this problem which I see as the most pressing problem in our country. I have very little sympathy and I blame Hillary and our president for not doing more about this treasonous crime. My 80 year old mother woke up vowing to never vote again after seeing the results. The protest marches, the volatile markets—all conform to the reality and logic that Hillary was the winning candidate--there was nothing that put Trump ahead of Hillary to “win†the election. Furthermore, academically, it’s just not probable that repeated elections end with razor-thin margins—that every other person is a Trump supporter. It’s simply not true. I will vote and let my vote be stolen but I will not be sucked in by the manufactured drama that is Amerikka’s election process.
Response by kestrel91316
Well, I am feeling just a tiny bit better today after a decent night's rest and a large amount of dark chocolate. But I am terrified for my minority/LGBTQ/immigrant/progressive/fellow female friends and family. One of my best clients (going back over 15 years) is making contingency plans to move with her wife to Italy, where she was born, if they are faced with losing rights here. My many Muslim clients are terrified.
Response by anonymous
​Sick and absolutely FURIOUS.
Response by marybourg
​I woke the day after "the night", with the feeling that I now live in an ordinary country; something like France or Brazil. I somehow feel differently than I did when I lived in the "greatest country on Earth".
Response by Phylny
I am filled with sadness, hopelessness, despair, and hatred. I am really, really not proud of the hate. I'm ashamed of myself for it, actually, and feel like an idiot for being so hateful. I think I look like an idiot, too.
I'm also just now (haha) understanding and coming to grips with the fact that I don't have to worry about my country or the world anymore - Republicans are in charge, and I'll sit back for a little bit and watch them screw us all. I can't effect change right now, and those who voted for Trump can take over. I hope they get everything they wanted. Right now, I'm that bitter. Not a pretty picture.
If I'm lucky enough to have grandchildren, they'll live in the world we left behind in the 70's - air pollution that causes birth defects and crime (lead in the air) and that peels the paint off cars (acid rain) and global climate change that's going to destroy many people, places, and things.
I live in an area where there are very poor people - people who live on disability with SNAP and WIC for food and Medicaid for their kids. These are the people in my county who either didn't vote or voted for Trump. "Keep government out of our lives" people. I'm trying not to be vindictive in my thoughts and trying to get over the feeling that they got what they deserve. I am also not proud of that.
I am very worried about my two children who get healthcare thanks to the ACA. One will have to leave a job she loves. The other will hopefully get the job she just interviewed for, which has benefits. My sweet friend will die an unpleasant death - she will literally suffocate - without medicine that costs $200,000 per year.
Most of all, I really missed and needed the DU community and found myself fruitlessly clicking on my link to DU even though I knew the website was down. I've secluded myself for a little bit and am working on tamping down my anger and hurt.
Response by Scalded Nun
I am saddened by these results (lifted a little by small (yet insufficient) gains in Congress). Angry? A bit. Dismayed? A lot. Fearful for the future of this country.
I suppose what disturbs me the most in the outcome is not specifically Trump getting elected. It is not even Trump. As long as humans exist there will always be bullying, evil, damaged individuals. What disturbs me is that there were enough citizens in this country to successfully elect a person with all those characteristics. That provides a much clearer picture of our country, and that I find most disturbing of all.
Response by Csziggy
Trump will destroy everything that President Obama has achieved over the last eight years. Obama brought our country back from the economic disaster that GWB left us with and worked to help so many people with access to health insurance, fair wages for women and so much more.
I have trouble understanding how anyone, much less the numbers who voted for this psychotic demagogue, could believe his bullshit.
As Charles Blow said in his NYT column, we must resist. DU can now stop infighting and return to its roots - working against the insanity that represents the modern Republican party and working to get strong liberal Democratic candidates into office!
Response by MurrayDelph
How am I feeling? Scared. Earlier this year, in Oregon, we lost our health insurance because Congress decided to unfund Co-Ops. The Oregon Health Co-Op was the only private insurance in the state that covered a procedure my wife and I both needed. Fortunately for us, we had the procedure before this occurred, but there were many in the program who were screwed. We went with the next-least-worst insurer for the rest of this year, but they announced that next year they were raising our rates from $1600/month for the two of us to $1949, AND would no longer be covering doctors not IN Oregon. We live along the Columbia River, so most of the specialists we see are in Washington. We were able to find an insurer that would cover us, but now it will be $2150/month. But with the new Congress, that may go away after the first month, and we'll be uninsurable once companies can deny pre-existing condtions again.
There are other reasons to be scared as well, but I don't want to hog the bandwidth.
Hang in there. We're all in this together.
Response by Bpositive
Totally hacked and exhausted.
My apologies Frank,we were both there at the same time. :cheersmate:
Response by anonymous
With DU being down, how do you expect me to know how I feel?
Plus DU's still down and its Facebook page is now filled with posts by rightwing trolls "celebrating liberal tears" and stirring up paranoia that Skinner is a scam artist, etc.
Response by hlthe2b
Defiance over Despair, Determination over Depression.
In a perverse way, the illegal infiltration of democraticunderground.com-- by those who wish only destruction and the silencing of liberal political view--stands in parallel to what has happened to our country in this election. Similarly, the elements behind both will ultimately fail. We will neither accept, nor embrace the darkness.
I thought I could keep up with Skins, but I can't.
There's miles of them, more and more being added every minute, at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/503.php
Response by Mainer
How'm I feeling? Scared. Alone. Plus DU's still down and its Facebook page is now filled with posts by rightwing trolls "celebrating liberal tears" and stirring up paranoia that Skinner is a scam artist, etc. So I'm glad you're at least giving us updates. It feels like we're being attacked from all sides -- by the alt-right, Russia, wikileaks, everyone who's ever hated liberals. Attacks are also coming at me personally (and at my rather well-known entertainment acquaintances) on Twitter.
My apologies Frank,we were both there at the same time. :cheersmate:
The world isn't conforming to their expectations, the poor babies.
I'd like to know what makes the primitives think the world is obligated to be the way they think it should be. I think it's up to the primitives to adapt to the world, rather than the world adapt to the primitives.
rivegauche
So yesterday, I had to leave work around noon because I could not stop sobbing at my desk. I spent yesterday and last night pacing my house and literally screaming in rage. Total unbridled hysteria. I shed more tears than I ever have in my life. I drank 2 bottles of wine. I spent some time surfing erratically on the net on emigrating to Canada, Ireland and France. I took sleeping pills to finally try to get rest and they didn’t work. Several times I thought I was having a heart attack, which was frightening.
Today, my eyes are dry. I am angry. So ****ing angry. Angrier than I’ve been in my life, with a cold burning hatred that will never be quenched until that orange piece of dogshit is dead or in prison. And I’m especially furious that DU was taken down by scumbags. **** YOU, HACKING TROLLS.
I am beside myself. HELP ME. What can we do. I need a direction for this, please point me.
Response by Auggie
How do I feel? Hopeful that enough electors might change their votes on Dec. 19th in favor of Hillary Clinton. Our founders gave us this constitutional power for a moment such as this. Support/sign petitions to do so and spread the word.
Response by LionessPriyanka
I feel sick and saddened. We elected a racist xenophobic monster, not a Republican like Bloomberg or McCain or a generic Republican, who I may disagree with but am not frightened of. This is not even scratching the surface of the extreme homophobe Mike Pence. So I am not OK and not going to pretend to be either. I want people who voted for him out of my life. I would not have said that about Romney voters.
:rofl:
Response by Auggie
How do I feel? Hopeful that enough electors might change their votes on Dec. 19th in favor of Hillary Clinton. Our founders gave us this constitutional power for a moment such as this. Support/sign petitions to do so and spread the word.
Response by liberalla
How am i feeling now that the election is over?
Disbelief, anxious, uncertain, upset, lost, bewildered and bereft... yes, bereft is a good word for what I feel. This second day after the election is worse than yesterday. It's hitting me harder today. I'm really missing the DU.
Like many, I can't believe trump was elected. Americans are far more racist, misogynistic, clueless and fearful than even I realized. I will be pissed and outraged later, but right now i'm still shocked and numb. The consequences are far reaching and mind boggling. I am mourning for the planet.
Response by R.Rhodes
I am deeply ashamed and appalled at the number of under educated people in this country. This mentality is dangerous. I mistakenly assumed that people were smarter than to vote for a person that is the very embodiment of evil. Anyone that paid a modicum of attention in junior high school would realize the similarities with how Hitler started his business. A shameful situation, indeed.
Response by mountain grammy
How do you think I feel? Depressed doesn't come close. Rage doesn't come close. I remember the assassinations of the Kennedy's and Dr. King and 9/11, and nothing compares to the despair I'm feeling now. 52% of white American women have sold us out because their ****ing insurance premiums went up, and white male voters? Don't get me started.
The worst thing of all has been no DU. Please get it fixed.
:rotf: :lmao: :rotf:
Man! That was beautiful!!
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I am beside myself. HELP ME. What can we do. I need a direction for this, please point me.
Making a purge list skins?
Response by anonymous
I feel great! We lost, and they won. Let's be clear here, we are not out. With Obama and Holder teaming up after he leaves office to tackle redistricting. The Democrats in the senate need to take a page from the Republicans. Obstruct, Obstruct, Obstruct.
(http://67.media.tumblr.com/435f02876aadf59ea2be44187b22ce71/tumblr_nkk8sbVBG41solxm8o1_500.gif)
Response by kentuck
I am wondering if there was a conspiracy to take down DU? Did someone really feel that threatened? I guess the big question is: Where does the Democratic Party go from here? They seemed to have lost the working people to Donald Trump and they cannot be a viable Party, imo, without the workers of America.
Response by DFW
I am not in a conciliatory mood. Period. This is the most insulting election result I have ever seen, and I was disgusted by Nixon in 1968, Reagan in 1980 and Bush in 2000 and 2004. Anger and an ugly self-righteousness took the day.
Trump's victory speech was surprisingly conciliatory. I do not believe him. His first potential cabinet picks confirm my worst fears. Believe me when I say this: To all the "I-Hate-Hillary" crowd who gave the Republicans all their talking points and ammunition during the primaries, doing half their general election work for them, to all who voted third party, or not at all, whether it made the difference in your state or not, I can only say this: If someone poisons your drinking water due to unregulated environmentally damaging activity, I will not weep for you when the government refuses to help. If you find you have no legal remedy if you are harassed, robbed or injured (or worse) by illegal police activity, I will not weep for you when the government refuses to help. If you find that Supreme Court decisions affect your life negatively, whether it's gay rights, women's rights, voting rights, civil rights or any other constitutional rights being curtailed, I will not weep for you. If you find yourself out of work with no health insurance, and no prospect of getting any, and you become ill, I will not weep for you. If you find that the Federal government seems like it wants to impose a religion on you unconstitutionally, I will not weep for you. If you find that corruption is sprouting up all over the place in our government, and the agencies supposed to fight it are instead part of it, I will not weep for you.
In short, you helped put Donald Trump into the Oval Office and made Mike Pence the evil voice whispering in his ear for the next four years. You helped keep a moderate progressive OUT of the Oval Office, one who had the know-how to do the job and would have put liberal judges on the Supreme Court. Nice going.
Don't come asking me if I can spare any change. I can't. Don't come crying on my shoulder when you start to have regrets. You might find it a little colder than you expected.
Marc knows Europe is going hard right as well.
Guess what mook,your grifting off the government days are over.
Response by Canadianbeaver
This may be an old sign on, as I set this one up way back in 2004 I believe but forgot my password and haven’t signed on but visit every day. So sorry to see the site down, I actually was saying to co worker that “My site†I visit was just hacked. God Emperor yeah right.
As a Canadian, I feel sick to my stomach that this is who the US has chosen to guide them as President for the coming years. A man so morally corrupt and disgusting, that threatens my US families progressive views. How so many can blindly follow this person is beyond belief and comprehension. How can you unite a nation when your leader openly spouts hate and divisive rhetoric. The right is rushing out showing their unwillingness to come together and are already being seen as the true bigots and racists they are. It’s like they think electing Trump gave them a “Free Pass†to be some of the most unkind beings on the planet.
I cried for the women, the disabled, the minorities and the world. Its time to get real and make sure this never happens again. I have family who are US citizens and they are flabbergasted. Many want change, but Bernie was shut out. He really was starting a progressive revolution. You cannot stay still, you have to change with the times, not revert back to days old thoughts and views that just don’t make it in today’s world.
Good Luck in the coming days, months and years.
Response by AggieSal
Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voting public! I think we forgot that.
Response by anonymous
This is one of the extremely rare times in my life where I feel Valium ought to be sold over the counter.
Yesterday I felt shocked and dazed. Today I vacillate between fear and denial. I think we are in for a country wide epidemic of PETD, (Post Election Traumatic D/O).
Not just me, everyone in town today looked the same: hushed, depressed, avoiding eye contact, not a smile to be seen in an otherwise cheerful Southern town.
(PS, Skinner et al......also having DU withdrawal, as you might expect)
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
Response by LW1977
My right to marry a same-sex partner will be banished once I find a significant other. Which is hard to do when I'm stuck in a small town, single, with a bad eye condition (can't drive), and suffering from aspergers. My visits to to my psychatrist will cost me my limbs because turtleman plans on getting rid of Obamacare ASAP.
I fear the worst.
Response by Liberal N Proud
Ever lost a loved one? Ever lost a job? Yeah, as invested as I was in this election, it feels that bad.
Twice in one month, I lost my job, now this.
Knowing what is ahead, recession and wars and hate will rule the day. I am wondering if I will ever work again.
I really need my DU family right now. Really need all of you.
Response by Hamsterjill
How am I feeling after the election?
Bitter, angry, let-down, and frightened. Several Trump supporters have sought to sooth my tears by saying "aw, nothing's really going to change". Absolute bullshit! Absolute freaking idiots for being conned by a maniac. My anger isn't going to go away for a long time, I'm afraid. What in the absolute hell were these idiots thinking? Are they just stupid? Or do they really just not give a shit about anyone but themselves? The answer to THAT question is BOTH!
DU, hurry up and come back to us. I need to be around fellow Dems!!!!
Love to you all! Missing you terribly!
Response by OldHippieChick
Right now I am confined to my house recovering from a hospital stay. I do not have DU and cannot force myself to watch t.v. I am verklempt. I need something - someone to bring me out my funk and I miss DU so much. I am scared for my children and their children. I am worried about the Supreme Court, the Middle East and the Keystone Pipeline. I have seen the Republican agenda online and wish I could stand the cold well enough to move to Canada.
Response by LW1977
My right to marry a same-sex partner will be banished once I find a significant other. Which is hard to do when I'm stuck in a small town, single, with a bad eye condition (can't drive), and suffering from aspergers. My visits to to my psychatrist will cost me my limbs because turtleman plans on getting rid of Obamacare ASAP.
I fear the worst.
Response by DFW
I am not in a conciliatory mood. Period. This is the most insulting election result I have ever seen, and I was disgusted by Nixon in 1968, Reagan in 1980 and Bush in 2000 and 2004. Anger and an ugly self-righteousness took the day.
Trump's victory speech was surprisingly conciliatory. I do not believe him. His first potential cabinet picks confirm my worst fears. Believe me when I say this: To all the "I-Hate-Hillary" crowd who gave the Republicans all their talking points and ammunition during the primaries, doing half their general election work for them, to all who voted third party, or not at all, whether it made the difference in your state or not, I can only say this: If someone poisons your drinking water due to unregulated environmentally damaging activity, I will not weep for you when the government refuses to help. If you find you have no legal remedy if you are harassed, robbed or injured (or worse) by illegal police activity, I will not weep for you when the government refuses to help. If you find that Supreme Court decisions affect your life negatively, whether it's gay rights, women's rights, voting rights, civil rights or any other constitutional rights being curtailed, I will not weep for you. If you find yourself out of work with no health insurance, and no prospect of getting any, and you become ill, I will not weep for you. If you find that the Federal government seems like it wants to impose a religion on you unconstitutionally, I will not weep for you. If you find that corruption is sprouting up all over the place in our government, and the agencies supposed to fight it are instead part of it, I will not weep for you.
In short, you helped put Donald Trump into the Oval Office and made Mike Pence the evil voice whispering in his ear for the next four years. You helped keep a moderate progressive OUT of the Oval Office, one who had the know-how to do the job and would have put liberal judges on the Supreme Court. Nice going.
Don't come asking me if I can spare any change. I can't. Don't come crying on my shoulder when you start to have regrets. You might find it a little colder than you expected.
Response by cynatnite
Still mourning, but with greater purpose.
I drove to Illinois to watch the election returns with a close friend who is terminally ill. We watched in shock as the nightmare came true. It was with a heavy heart I had to leave and go home.
There has been a lot of crying and anger. Today, I am strengthened and determined. While I know that opposing this racist and misogynist who will soon dirty the White House and dismantle Obama's legacy, I also know that the work to fight for what's right is just starting.
Dismantling Obamacare will do away with the birth control mandate. The next step will be take down Roe V Wade. Women's rights and their health care choices will be decimated. I've pledged to myself that I will fight for women and our rights even if it means going to jail. I will not stand by and watch the clock rolled back to back alley abortions, unable to access birth control and more. Whatever it takes.
Skinner, Elad... We need DU more than ever now and hopefully, we won't be long in waiting so all of us can get motivated and active in fighting for the rights of all of us.
On a side note, how do we blow up the electoral college?
Response by Catbird
The cat beside me awakes and would like to be fed. She is unaware that her humans just had an election. For her, and the overwhelming majority of sentient beings on earth, human elections are nonexistent and almost irrelevant. So let us wish for the happiness of all sentient beings and remember life goes on. She is now enjoying her meal.
Response by spankme
I don't have it in me to brace for the worst.
I mean I feel so distraught at the total outcome of the election (POTUS, Congress, Supreme Court) that I am emotionally unable to process the dark times that are coming. With all 3 branches of the Federal government in Republican hands there is nothing to stop them from making structural modifications to the institutions and processes of government to keep them in power more or less permanently. It'll be hard to fight.
This is essentially what they're doing at the state level, both in terms of how their states are run and how they send representatives to the House. Republicans have engineered their wins rather than winning an honest vote based on the issues.
I was so sad on election night as the toss-up states kept going to Trump that I was nearly out-of-body. I almost wept. I did not sleep Tuesday night. I just kept thinking about how ****ed up everything is. I was truly having little panic attacks throughout the night.
Republicans are claiming a "mandate" and they're now going on a mission of destruction. We have to fight the "mandate" narrative. Hillary won the popular vote and Republicans lost seats in both the Senate and the House. We can't let them forget these inconvenient facts.
Response by ThoughtCriminal
I posted this a couple of days prior to the "Election". It means even more now.
“There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future, or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.â€
― Book of G'Quan (Babylon 5)
Response by anonymous
I feel great! We lost, and they won. Let's be clear here, we are not out. With Obama and Holder teaming up after he leaves office to tackle redistricting. The Democrats in the senate need to take a page from the Republicans. Obstruct, Obstruct, Obstruct.
Response by Solly Mack
America...What Have You Done?
You have chosen to be a threat to the world - which should never be confused with being strong.
Being a bully doesn't come from a position of strength. It comes from a place of fear. You have shown the world that you are afraid. There's nothing great about a nation of people who react from fear. There's nothing great about a nation that takes pride in ignorance. There's nothing great about a nation that embraces hate. There's nothing great about a nation that prefers self-serving feel-good blustering over substance and actual know how.
America, you have chosen to wrap yourself up in the false comfort of authoritarianism. You have chosen dictates and edicts over liberty, freedom, justice and equality. You have chosen to be a cautionary tale for future generations who will ask, "How did this happen?" You have chosen, and in that choosing, have shown the world just how broken you are.
I wrote that on the night of the election. I still agree with it. I know there are other aspects to why someone so unqualified to hold any political office was elected, but the bottom line question at the end of the day was, "What kind of country do you want?"
A country that would have, at the very least, allowed room for dialogue for necessary change and continued gains in social justice and equality.
or
A country that chooses fear, regression, and anger - that embraces hate and intolerance - as the cornerstone of how it governs.
I'm not really surprised by the choice. My opinion of many of my fellow Americans has been less than positive since the acceptance of torture as either a good thing or something that happened and can't be helped. Trump is really just an extension of that mindset. That fear-based mindset has been the driving force behind the Republican Party for decades and fear also took the place of justice.
Fear - the root of it all - and all the things that stem from being afraid: Hate, anger, intolerance, and the need to control and scapegoat the other.
America chose to be afraid...
but I don't.
To all the "I-Hate-Hillary" crowd who gave the Republicans all their talking points and ammunition during the primaries ...
rivegauche
So yesterday, I had to leave work around noon because I could not stop sobbing at my desk. I spent yesterday and last night pacing my house and literally screaming in rage. Total unbridled hysteria. I shed more tears than I ever have in my life. I drank 2 bottles of wine. I spent some time surfing erratically on the net on emigrating to Canada, Ireland and France. I took sleeping pills to finally try to get rest and they didn’t work. Several times I thought I was having a heart attack, which was frightening.
Today, my eyes are dry. I am angry. So ****ing angry. Angrier than I’ve been in my life, with a cold burning hatred that will never be quenched until that orange piece of dogshit is dead or in prison. And I’m especially furious that DU was taken down by scumbags. **** YOU, HACKING TROLLS.
I am beside myself. HELP ME. What can we do. I need a direction for this, please point me.
rivegauche
So yesterday, I had to leave work around noon because I could not stop sobbing at my desk. I spent yesterday and last night pacing my house and literally screaming in rage. Total unbridled hysteria. I shed more tears than I ever have in my life. I drank 2 bottles of wine. I spent some time surfing erratically on the net on emigrating to Canada, Ireland and France. I took sleeping pills to finally try to get rest and they didn’t work. Several times I thought I was having a heart attack, which was frightening.
Today, my eyes are dry. I am angry. So ****ing angry. Angrier than I’ve been in my life, with a cold burning hatred that will never be quenched until that orange piece of dogshit is dead or in prison. And I’m especially furious that DU was taken down by scumbags. **** YOU, HACKING TROLLS.
I am beside myself. HELP ME. What can we do. I need a direction for this, please point me.
:rotf: :lmao: :rotf:
Man! That was beautiful!!
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SO my husband does some work for the library system. Most (but not all) of the people who work there are government drone hillbots. He went in yesterday, someone asked him how he's doing. He said, "man, life is great again!!" All the girls were all aflutter and red-faced. :lmao: He really loves poking hives with sticks. What a troll. :-)Was there a line for the fainting couch?
SO my husband does some work for the library system. Most (but not all) of the people who work there are government drone hillbots. He went in yesterday, someone asked him how he's doing. He said, "man, life is great again!!" All the girls were all aflutter and red-faced. :lmao: He really loves poking hives with sticks. What a troll. :-)
Response by anonymous
Nasty gloating Deplorables! You're finally getting what you think you want, maybe. A rude awakening is what you'll receive.
Response by anonymous
The thing I take away most from this disaster is the part CNN and MSNBC played and the manner in which they bestowed legitimacy to Trump's Campaign...****ing Period.
I will however add this.. I've always considered Lawrence O'Donnell my go to guy when I needed the facts quickly from a news station. The day after the election he was on a panel and just ****ing let loose on Chris Mathews. He basically cut him off and told him that he was spewing bullshit.
Obviously, most of us aren't going near cable news for awhile; but I highly suggest if you want the absolute truth with what is going on in our country, right Now... give O'Donnell a try. He usually comes on directly after Rachel. IMO he is the only bright spot in our dark hole right now.
Response by Amaril
The night of, I was beyond horrified/terrified/disgusted. I alternated between crying hysterically and stringing together every curse word I know into one long scream that emanated from my very soul.
Yesterday was awful. I am the lone Democrat in an office of Republicans. I considered calling in sick, but then pulled myself up by my bedraggled boot straps and went. Only notable encounter was a lovely, younger woman who kept wanting to talk about it – not to rub it in my face or with any other malicious intent, but because it was an elephant in the room for her & she didn’t know what to do about it. I didn’t want to talk – actually snapped at her the third time she approached me – but I pulled my ass off my shoulders long enough to thank her for her attempts to console me, asked that she give me a few days to finish processing & then we would discuss.
Last night I was pissed off – at “friends†who were posting “sore loser†diatribes on FaceBook, at the Trump Trolls – people I don’t even know – who keep sending me private message requests filled with insults & taunts via FaceBook……I kinda blew a little & posted my own FB diatribe declaring my refusal to be shamed, mocked or bullied into silence.
Today, I feel better. I still can’t believe that a bloviating racist/sexist/xenophobe/homophobe/bigot will be sitting in the White House – I’m kinda waffling between horrified, appalled and pissed the **** off – but I feel a new sense of purpose starting to dawn. We are going to have to fight like Hell to keep this country from sinking into the abyss, and the fire to do so it beginning to burn in my belly.
Response by AirmensMom
Totally demoralized. Sad, disgusted, scared, and completely ashamed of our country. I’m disappointed in white women. I am one, but I voted for Hillary and assumed we all would after the Access Hollywood video came out. Stupid of me, I know, because I live in a deeply red, hateful but “Christian†state. They don’t care about anything except denying rights to women, people of color, and the LGBTQ community.
I wish DU would become a secret site that is available by invitation only so it could be safe from the trolls, at least for the next 4 years. Please, please, please?????
Response by anonymous
Depressed..... And ANGRY.
I still can barely eat. The hate that is already rolling out wrenches my gut. But I am angry. And I do not intend to go quietly in to the night. I will donate and volunteer to fight this scumbag. I will coordinate and look for connections and ideas on DU. In short, this is not the end. This is just another battle in the never-ending war for liberty and justice.
Response by Vinca
I’ve been going through the 5 stages of grief rather rapidly. I’m mired at #4, depression, and don’t foresee making it to “acceptance.†I can never accept Trump as POTUS. The whole thing has been scary and surreal; I don’t understand how it happened. I can’t imagine seeing the dreaded surrogates every day for the next 4 years. I can’t imagine “Obamacare†being repealed and people dying – again – for lack of access to medical care. This doesn’t feel like my country anymore and I’m ashamed of what we’ve let happen. I hope DU is back up and running soon. We need group therapy.
Response by MrScorpio
Whether we like it or not, Democratic Underground is truly underground again. It’s time to get to work.
Response by anonymous
Nasty gloating Deplorables! You're finally getting what you think you want, maybe. A rude awakening is what you'll receive.
:rotf: :lmao: :rotf:
Man! That was beautiful!!
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The best way of making an enemy of a man is by telling him he doesn't count.
Response by Mantis49
Absolutely devastated yesterday morning. I had quit smoking in February of this year and relapsed. I didn't know how to handle my stress without that outlet. I am so sick of the postings on Facebook I could scream. I was able to meet with 3 like-minded people in the afternoon. We commiserated and by the end of our conversation we were laughing. I am still sad, but I am ready to fight. I am scared. I made a large donation (in addition to my monthly donations) to the Sierra Club to help them continue the fight. I am scared for my children and grandchildren.
I tried to go to DU Tuesday evening and was upset that I couldn't. I wanted first hand observations from all the people around the country and was disappointed you weren't there.
Response by DCBob
I am still in shock. I cant read the news. I get sick to my stomach every time I think of what happened and what we have to deal with in the coming years. I feel like we have been take over by a a terrorist dictator.
I totally misread this election and the people in this country. I had no idea there were so many fooled into voting for this lunatic.
I fear what he is capable of doing. I only hope there are sensible smart people who can stop this madman from totally ****ing up this country and the world.
Response by greatauntoftriplets
I feel much as I did at age 12 many years ago when I encountered Jim Crow laws in action during a family vacation in Tennessee. It was my first time in the South. We had stopped for gas in some small town and there was a big barrel on the gas station lot. On on side, there was a sign saying "White Water" and on the other the sign read "Colored Water". I started getting out of the car so that I could go see what color the "Colored Water" was. My parents said "Absolutely not!!!" and then explained why it would be a very bad idea. Yes, I was naive about that kind of thing.
Big Dog, you had me at "shoot this DUmmie"
Response by LionessPriyanka
I feel sick and saddened. We elected a racist xenophobic monster, not a Republican like Bloomberg or McCain or a generic Republican, who I may disagree with but am not frightened of. This is not even scratching the surface of the extreme homophobe Mike Pence. So I am not OK and not going to pretend to be either. I want people who voted for him out of my life. I would not have said that about Romney voters.
Response by Liberal N Proud
Ever lost a loved one? Ever lost a job? Yeah, as invested as I was in this election, it feels that bad.
Twice in one month, I lost my job, now this.
Knowing what is ahead, recession and wars and hate will rule the day. I am wondering if I will ever work again.
These ****ers still don't get it, the pompous ignorant asses.
They've got only themselves to blame.
This reminds me of the late 1970s, early 1980s, when the so-called "religious right," a bogeyman of the Democrats, liberals, and primitives, suddenly popped into the national consciousness.
They created the "religious right during the Carter administration, when they repeatedly told certain groups of people--religious southerners, the working classes, traditionals, the socially conservative--that they didn't count.
The best way of making an enemy of a man is by telling him he doesn't count.
And so the Democrats, liberals, and primitives of 30+ years ago created their own miseries.
Now, we've had something similar these past eight years, when decent and civilized people have been told, repeatedly, by the Democrats, liberals, and primitives, that we don't count.
Well.....
You're too kind, frank. Libs & Progs have spent the past 8 years flipping off various groups and attacking them through laws, regs, and lawsuits. The Chickens came home to roost, as happened in 1980.
Response by Liberal N ProudDisability gravy train. The dream of every DUmmy
Ever lost a loved one? Ever lost a job? Yeah, as invested as I was in this election, it feels that bad.
Twice in one month, I lost my job, now this.
Knowing what is ahead, recession and wars and hate will rule the day. I am wondering if I will ever work again.
Response by anonymous
Depressed..... And ANGRY.
I still can barely eat. The hate that is already rolling out wrenches my gut. But I am angry. And I do not intend to go quietly in to the night. I will donate and volunteer to fight this scumbag. I will coordinate and look for connections and ideas on DU. In short, this is not the end. This is just another battle in the never-ending war for liberty and justice.
Absolutely thanks to all who helped keep the site running.****ANNOUNCEMENT FROM franksolich*****
You know, in all the after-election excitement and brouhuahua, we seem to have forgotten that one of the consequences of the crash of Skins's island is the substantially increased traffic of primitives coming over here to lurk. It's not a small stampede.
Which in turn kind of, uh, slowed this site down, causing things to be rather balky the past few days.....but no more.
Our champion miskie seems to have restored things to normal, despite the burden of lurking primitives. So don't forget to thank him, or at least "high five" him!
Response by Tobin S.
Hi guys, I felt terrible over the last couple of days, but I've come to look at the election results in a different way tonight that makes me feel better.
Over the next couple of years, at least, Republicans will have total control of our government: the House, the Senate, the White House, and the Supreme Court. If anything goes wrong, and it undoubtedly will, there will be no one else to blame.
We all know here at DU that the Republican party actually only truly serves a minuscule minority in this country: the very wealthy. We're talking about a tenth of a percent of the population. If the Republicans are true to form, that will become increasingly apparent over the next few years even to people who are largely ignorant about politics including many people who voted for Trump.
The main thing we have to hope for is that they do not get us involved in anymore wars. As long as that doesn't happen I think we can weather this storm.
Peace and I hope you guys get things patched up there soon.
Absolutely thanks to all who helped keep the site running.
It has been a little slower than usual, but didn't complain. Figured it was the double combo of post election and the DUmp shuttering itself.
Response by Retrowire
I'm feeling angry but hopeful. I'm looking to our leaders to know what to do next. A little confused by Hillary asking us to give Trump a chance and Obama saying he feels "encouraged" after meeting him. But regarding our next actions, resistance seems to be the best idea. They gave us 8 years of obstructionism against Obama, we the people will treat them the same.
Hillary won the popular vote, and all those people who voted third party didn't want Trump either. The real majority is against this bullshit. And good people still exist. We just lost a battle, that's all.
Response by William769
Now that the shock has worn off, Defiance has set in. Knowing that Hillary won the popular vote, the trumpster can kiss my Lilly white ass. Anything he tries to undo, he can expect more of what happened last night with protests. I refuse to live in Trumps “America†and I refuse to let my fellow citizens also.
Response by William769
Now that the shock has worn off, Defiance has set in. Knowing that Hillary won the popular vote, the trumpster can kiss my Lilly white ass. Anything he tries to undo, he can expect more of what happened last night with protests. I refuse to live in Trumps “America†and I refuse to let my fellow citizens also.
I refuse to let my fellow citizens also.Who are you again?
I'm looking to our leaders to know what to do next.JHC. Needy helpless infant sheep.
Response by William769
Now that the shock has worn off, Defiance has set in. Knowing that Hillary won the popular vote, the trumpster can kiss my Lilly white ass. Anything he tries to undo, he can expect more of what happened last night with protests. I refuse to live in Trumps “America†and I refuse to let my fellow citizens also.
Response by anonymousSorry for your loss but seriously, :wtf2:
Taking a mental health day. I still haven't looked at any news; I did not watch Hillary's speech yesterday but think I will today. All of my fb family and friends know I lost my daughter. I do not believe that there is a loss that life can hand a human worse than the loss of a child. Now I'm going to compare losing Bekah with losing the presidential election. No it's not the body blow that her death was; but it's bad, it's epically, tragically bad, and not just for me, but for the country and probably the world.
Response by anonymous
How am I feeling? Where to begin? First and foremost, I feel such sadness for how the media crucified Hillary during this campaign. Not a single one of you in the media portrayed who Hillary really is and her unbelievable accomplishments during her public servant career. She did so much good for so many.
Response by Island Blue
I still feel totally numb. I got zero seconds sleep on election night. Yesterday morning I felt so overwhelmed that I went to the doctor to ask for some meds for anxiety for the first time ever in my life. I told the provider why I needed them and she was very understanding. At least the meds helped me sleep last night (and will again tonight).
Response by Geek Tragedy
1) Sad for so many people who had so much more at stake than I did.
2) Scared poopless that he and Paul Ryan will reach a "you do your evil, I'll do mine" consensus.
3) My wife crying and asking if she'll never see a woman president, her shattered hope crackling in her voice
It began in 2010, when Republicans took the House by winning 63 seats, the biggest pickup since 1948, and six seats in the Senate. In 2014, Republicans gained another 13 House seats and took control of the Senate. Democrats lost more than 900 state legislative seats in this period.
Response by mopinko
how do i feel? i feel like my country might just need me again, like it did when w was elected. i feel like i might need to dust off the old button press.
i have to wonder if du got hacked because someone knew we would pick the election apart cd by cd to make sure the numbers add up. and that this would be a center for event organizing.
i am feeling happy to see people spilling out into the streets, without any time to really organize it, just spilling into the streets.
mostly, i feel like it is the time of kali the destroyer, who mows down old worlds, so that new worlds will sprout. and i hope we are all there and ready to tend our little plot in the new world, to spread the love that we all know trumps hate.
.....it is the time of kali the destroyer, who mows down old worlds, so that new worlds will sprout.
You know, I agree totally with Big Mo here:
I think she's confused however, about what the "old worlds" are.
Hopefully the only thing that gets mowed down is her junk heap when the bulldozers come through.
Honest to God she is a loon,outside of us that laugh at them the DUmp is ignored or found revolting by the small number of the population that knows it exists.
(http://i.imgur.com/Vzeukqe.gif)LMAO!!!
OH MY GOD,NOT BUTTONS!!!!
I got a question.
Last night, the Hollywood celebrity Cher held a fund-raiser for Messalina Agrippina.
Last night was Thursday night, two days after the election.
What the Hell does Messalina Agrippina need more money for?
I know this will come as a shock, but the Ds are notoriously lousy money handlers, spending more than they have. Back in the 60s and 70s it was pretty much a tradition that paying off D Presidential candidates campaign debts would take years. I would be very surprised if modern Ds have broken with that tradition. So The CHILL's campaign is probably millions or 10s of millions in debt.
(http://i.imgur.com/Vzeukqe.gif).
Response by anonymous
I am very scared. I suspect after he is sworn in he will declare martial law. I do not believe anything he is saying that sounds so called nice. I fear for our children, particularly our girls. I fear violence that will go unchecked simply because it is on a person of color, homosexual, female, disabled, and someone of any religion other that fundamentalist Christian. I am fearful for those who will lose everything. I do not see him doing anything he claimed he would unless it makes him money. Welcome to our new country: Corporation Of Trump.
Response by Californeeway
Feelings? I have no time for feelings, only action. STOP THINKING LIKE VICTIMS AND STAND UP! GET ANGRY! Right now I am throwing myself into work on CALEXIT - I believe the best way to cripple a Trump presidency is for the major states like CA and NY to seriously begin the process of leaving the Union
The button press. :lmao:
::) Oh for crying out loud.
I can't find an image right now, but if you look at the electoral map of New York State, it's a sea of red with some blue dots. I'm not sure you can speak for another state, DUmmie. I'm not sure you can speak for your own.
NY as its own country? :rofl:
The City would starve in a month or less.
What if we decide to fight to stop the west coast from leaving the union?
Who over there would actually put down the Starbucks and weed and actually fight?
What if we decide to fight to stop the west coast from leaving the union?
Who over there would actually put down the Starbucks and weed and actually fight?
Three days, Carl.
Where do you think NYC gets their water? The Catskills, which isn't the most friendly place to NYC. Remember, we are the 'deplorables.'
Nov 9, 2016 (NEW YORK) Donald Trump is now President-elect of the United States and will be sworn in as the 45th President of the United States. If you are wondering why? The road to the Presidency took him exactly though the narrow path we explained on Friday. This victory went straight through the rust belt and the North American Free Trade Agreement. Suffice it to say, it did parallel the path we predicted on Friday and have suggested all year. It went through the rust belt and free trade agreements.
Response by MineralMan
Among many things that I'm finding disturbing after the election, the worst for me is the racist vandalism and attacks at schools. So far, two such incidents have occurred near me in the Twin Cities of Minnesota. I'm very worried that racists and other bigots have been emboldened by the Trump win.
Individually and collectively, we need to express our disgust at such behavior. We need to do it each time such things occur and directly to law enforcement, which has the responsibility for investigating these incidents. Trump should express the same disgust, but I'm not seeing that coming from him so far.
I went over there for the first time today, and man, for a minute I thought I'd stumbled into a drama school. I'm left wondering about the authenticity of some of the comments, given that Skins is apparently accepting and posting e-mails from non-members of Skins's island too.Any word on the white guy getting pulled from his vehicle in Chicago?
Some of them are so overwrought surely they must be fake.
Anyway.
Any word on the white guy getting pulled from his vehicle in Chicago?
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/11/10/police-investigate-a-video-of-trump-voter-being-attacked/
Response by anonymous
I am very scared. I suspect after he is sworn in he will declare martial law. I do not believe anything he is saying that sounds so called nice. I fear for our children, particularly our girls. I fear violence that will go unchecked simply because it is on a person of color, homosexual, female, disabled, and someone of any religion other that fundamentalist Christian. I am fearful for those who will lose everything. I do not see him doing anything he claimed he would unless it makes him money. Welcome to our new country: Corporation Of Trump.
Or what about the girl in that high school out in California. (Link is, or was, on Drudge.)
edited; here it is:
http://www.infowars.com/video-high-school-girl-viciously-attacked-for-supporting-donald-trump/
:rotf: :lmao: :rotf:Absolutely epic! One step away from throwing the Thanksgiving tofurkey through the plate glass window in the dining room and running out of the house in tears.
Man! That was beautiful!!
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Isn't that the idiot who got himself fired because he was pushing anti-Bush propaganda with his company's convention display?QuoteResponse by Liberal N Proud
Ever lost a loved one? Ever lost a job? Yeah, as invested as I was in this election, it feels that bad.
Twice in one month, I lost my job, now this.
Knowing what is ahead, recession and wars and hate will rule the day. I am wondering if I will ever work again.
I really need my DU family right now. Really need all of you.
Response by bigtree
On Tuesday, roughly half of America declared war on their fellow Americans by sending a dangerously unstable demagogue, a obsessive compulsive megalomaniac, to lord over us in the White House. Prominent among those who voted for Donald Trump was a sizable bloc of people who share his racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, and bigoted views.
As I watched Pres.-elect Trump's plane land, as he made his way to the White House after accepting the invitation of the man he insisted for years wasn't a U.S. citizen, and unqualified to be president, I was absolutely overwhelmed with anxiety and foreboding for the futures of my fellow countryfolk.
I’m looking at the official reception of Trump’s presidency from the media and pols, and I’m witnessing a critical disconnect between the warnings Pres. Obama gave about a man with Trump's character and temperament assuming responsibility for our nuclear arsenal, as well as the rest of the myriad levers and hair-triggers of the presidency - mechanisms which can work to keep us safe and secure, or, conversely, plunge our lives into chaos and devastation - contrasted against the post-election politeness coming from him and Trump’s campaign rival, Hillary Clinton, urging us to 'keep an open mind,' and to give this man room to succeed.
So much of the Trump appeal in the campaign was directed at assuaging those forces which are actively working to limit or eliminate our government's protections, defenses, or aid to the vulnerable, imperiled, or afflicted among us. There was zero conciliation with the targets of his often vindictive agenda - no healthcare alternative offered, for example, to replace the Obamacare he pledged to repeal; no regard expressed for the innocent, productive, but undocumented residents who are now facing a very real threat of a major upheaval of their lives as Trump and his republican-dominated legislature threaten to muscle them out of the country, as he promised. Only his self-promoting insistence that whatever he devised would suit us all.
Trump supporters at the polls voted to effectively allow 100's of thousands of us to die unnecessarily every year for need of life sustaining medical care enabled through the ability to obtain or afford insurance.
Trump supporters voted to allow our planet to die, with the candidate promising to reverse and eliminate every vestige of the Obama administration's efforts to unilaterally move ahead of the republican Congress' obstinacy and resistance to efforts to confront and address climate change and global warming.
Trump supporters voted to re-institutionalize racism and bigotry - usher in a new era of 'Jim Crow' - rallying behind their candidate's promise to 'ban' Muslim immigrants and advancing the man who openly disparaged the character and reputation of Mexican immigrants and citizens, alike.
Trump supporters voted to uproot the lives of 742,000 young DREAMers, and place Trump in charge of thousands granted refuge and protection under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.
Trump supporters voted allow a regression in women's rights, from their candidate’s threats to reproductive choices, to implicit disregard for, and pledged hostility toward, declared victims of sexual assault. They’ve advanced a man to the highest office in the land who has been recorded bragging about his ability to ‘grab’ women in the most private of places - bragging that he’s essentially entitled to the assault by the mere virtue of his position.
Trump supporters have voted to allow Russia a role in our government’s consideration which is as dismissive as their candidate has been of Putin’s government’s abuses and intrusions into our political process – not to mention the myriad other activities of the regime which run counter to the legitimate and vital interests of our nation and our allies. Not surprisingly, just this morning, news came that a Russian ambassador is bragging of coordination between the actual Trump campaign and the Politburo.
Trump supporters have voted to legitimize white supremacy, most notably, the Klan, advancing a man into the White House who hired an avowed white supremacist as a senior coordinator of his campaign for president. Indeed, the entire white supremacy network is openly celebrating the Trump presidency as validation of their own brand of bigotry, racism, and divisive hatred.
Trump supporters voted to allow, sight-unseen, any conflict-of-interest their candidate will almost certainly have as president between his office and his many business interests and debts. Whatever he’s been hiding in his tax returns will tell that sordid tale.
Couple that with an upcoming court date in his Trump University fraud trial, and you have a presidency so mired in scandal that it will have zero authority to dictate anything from that high office.
One of the rationalizations offered for the disturbing and consequential statements Trump has made in this campaign, and what he’s said in the past, is that perhaps he didn’t really mean any of it. It was all just self-serving patter designed to win an election. That would make some sense, looking at the contradictions, duplicity, and flip-flops which have marked any (rare) discussion from the candidate about policy. He’s just an opportunistic demagogue.
What I believe is that Trump supporters have elected a dangerous, life-threatening sociopath who will only tolerate the needs of Americans as far as his own narrow, often personal, interests are defended and enhanced. I really don’t need any more evidence of this. Trump’s entire campaign has been a stark and sobering preview of the horror-show ahead.
I truly fear for our nation in a way that I don’t really believe I even fully comprehend the depths we will sink to before we have hope of recovering. We need to prepare for what will be a long and greuling opposition. We need to prepare and organize.
Ah...THIS
Calling us bigots, forcing us to buy your birth control, forcing degenerates into our daughter's bathrooms, shouting us down at every turn, forcing us to cater your weddings...
...this is what you call "liberty, freedom, justice and equality."
**** off.
Response by HertoposA spoon full of sugar and cyanide make the pain go away :fuelfire: :lol:
I am still recovering from physical symptoms it caused.
On Wednesday morning, I forced myself to go to the office through I hardly slept. At one point, I actually snapped at my manager saying 'leave me alone'. Naturally, he was upset. On that day, I finally wept in the car, which helped me a little.
Yesterday, I had to deal with headaches and aching body. I finally took a break from my work and had to lay in bed for two hours before I went back to work.
My daughter has been very helpful to keep me going. I woke up 3:20 Am on Friday morning and could not go back to sleep. This is how I ended up writing this mail to my fellow DUers.
I have a planned social event on Saturday and I am not quire sure what I may speak at the event. For I am actually afraid to find out if some of my social acquaintance turned out to be a Trump supporter.
It will take quite a while to recover. Right now, I cannot watch TV news or news show even TRMS. (BTW, she looked like she was about to cry.)
The hardest part of this election result was it was against all prediction. I still cannot understand what exactly happened. Why nobody predicted such a decisive Trump win. We discussed on DU about Newsweek article regarding his tie with Putin.
One thing still stick to my mind that it suspect Brexit result was Russian hacking. This result remind me of such possibility because it was so different from any poll prediction. Part of me want to just accept the result; however, some part of me cannot shake off this suspicion. This is why I am still very confused and cannot quite start my healing process.
Well, at least I can say we have one priority stand out. We cannot let Russia take over our country. This sounds so ridiculous up till one month ago. Not anymore. There are Republicans with whom we agree over almost nothing. They can be an asset to stop Trump from working with Putin to change the course of the world!!
I don't know if anyone can prove election hacking; however, I believe we can prove Trump were and will be working with Putin. Then we just need to start working for next mid-term election to get the house back. In addition, we need to get local government back so that we will reshape Republican's gerrymandering.
Dear DU, I really miss you. I never expect you to be this important for my emotional well-being. Right now, I am so afraid to speak out in general though I live in very blue area of Maryland. Thank you for doing this. It really help me to live through this very difficult period.
Response by Hertopos
I am still recovering from physical symptoms it caused.
On Wednesday morning, I forced myself to go to the office through I hardly slept. At one point, I actually snapped at my manager saying 'leave me alone'. Naturally, he was upset. On that day, I finally wept in the car, which helped me a little.
Yesterday, I had to deal with headaches and aching body. I finally took a break from my work and had to lay in bed for two hours before I went back to work.
Response by Loki
I’m just as angry now as I was on November 8th. The Electoral College has got to go. We have lost two elections to this dinosaur that has mutated into something that the Founders never intended it to be. It was meant to protect this country from demagogues like this man, and instead the majority votes of our election will not determine the winner of the Presidency. Democrats in all races throughout this country received more votes than Republicans, yet we are still losing states, legislatures and now our government in Washington.
We need to become what DemocraticUnderground was intended to be. A place where we can rally and organize and help each other. I want to be able to come here and find out where protests are happening, where boycotts will be taking place, where and what we can do as citizens to protect each other and our country. Be that DemocraticUnderground because our country deserves nothing less.
Response by Cthulu2016
Well... my joke user name was certainly close to the mark.
I walked away from DU (without drama or announcement, and remaining in good standing) sometime after the annexation of Crimea when I realized the degree to which Russian intel and propaganda agencies had taken on the task of funding the American alt-left. The “progressives†who were all about Russia’s title to Crimea, and the “progressives†tuning into Russia Today every night and reporting back on what “progressives†for hire were spouting was more than I could take.
Had I not left then, I would have surely left during the primaries when it became apparent that so many (most?) DUers were useful idiots for the RNC, regurgitating endless lies about Hillary’s fake scandals, and being allowed to do so.
HOWEVER, I have something useful to say here about the current situation.
I could never have *supported* losing the Supreme Court for a generation, and 15-20 million people losing affordable health insurance, for some 3-D chess bullshit about the big picture. Real lives matter. But since the horrible has happened anyway, comfort yourselves that that power in America is held by the party that wins state legislatures in years ending in *zero* (Census and redistricting)
Our Party would have been very much on the defensive in 2020, had we won this week, but now will probably be on the offensive in 2018 and 2020. Dems won the presidential vote in 2000, 2008, 2012 and 2016, while losing the office twice. Dems got more votes nationally for Congress in 2014 while losing horribly. The system is indeed rigged. The actual MAJORITY in America is not allowed to have power. And that can only really change on the State legislature level.
Trump will destroy the Republican Party and hopefully we will be in a position to take ownership of the smoking wreckage, as we always do.
Now, how to handle the election result? I believe it is a straightforward TRUTH that 55 million Americans committed a hate crime, almost all with guilty knowledge. The most important step is to *shun* them. Treat them, all of them, as if they were wearing a Klan costume. Tell them, “I believe that by voting for Trump you revealed yourself to be a moral *monster* and I will not do business with you, will not date you, will not remain married to you, will not pretend anything you have to say on any topic has any potential merit, etc.. This crime against humanity (it is) cannot be allowed to be normalized.
Also, the polls were not so wrong... at least the national polls. Most got the result within margin of error. They said Clinton would get more votes, and she did. The last Fox News national poll was Clinton +2 and was on the money. She will finish the west coast counting with a 1% to 2% national advantage. And since Trump will probably end up a million votes behind Clinton, why even admit he is President except in some hyper-technical sense? Gore’s 500,000 can be played off as wiggle room in the system, but losing while winning by MORE THAN A MILLION VOTES is hard for the average person to countenance.
Sure, he is the President, but THE AMERICAN PEOPLE chose Hillary. They actually did. The States chose Trump. The asinine granting of different value to individual votes based on what State a person lives in has no place in a 21st century national election. The vote of a person in Montana elects TWICE as many electoral college votes as the vote of a person in California. Do the math. A Montana vote counts as more than two votes in a Presidential election.
Actual Americans, the aggregate of American adult human beings, did not want Trump, and 60% of the nation considers him unfit for office.
Peace.
Response by Loki
I’m just as angry now as I was on November 8th. The Electoral College has got to go. We have lost two elections to this dinosaur that has mutated into something that the Founders never intended it to be. It was meant to protect this country from demagogues like this man, and instead the majority votes of our election will not determine the winner of the Presidency.
Quite the contrary! The Electoral College did exactly what the Framers intended. It punished a candidate whose focus and strength was in a few large cities and whose party has, for decades, spewed contempt on the normal working people who feed, clothe, and house those large cities and elitist pols.
Response by steve2470
I feel that I, as a middle-aged white man, must apologize for the 53% of white males and similar percentage of white females who voted for this stealth neo-Nazi. The neo-Nazi rattled the cage of racial anxiety, and he got elected. We non-racist white people and all people of color MUST turn out in 2018 and 2020 to repel the fascism that is threatening us. The Democratic Party must also go back to its 1933 roots for the working class and middle class.
Response by anonymous
I'm not sad. I'm excited. We get to try something new for the next election. We will form a new coalition. We've been friends to the unions for a long time, but can we count on the manufacturing unions going forward? Our righteous press for green energy and energy efficiency has hurt the UMW and UAW types. However, they were never real democrats anyway, and opposed much of what the country needs.
We can be stronger with a unifying message. No more false racial strife. We need to get votes based upon pocketbooks. What can we propose to lower the tax burden, invigorate business, and get people off welfare and into real jobs? A service economy will keep people poor. Manufacturing pays high wages. Let's go compete on the world stage by attracting businesses to us! Bring them with low taxes, cheap green energy, and the best highway and rail system!
Response by anonymous
I do believe all of our worst fears will come to pass under Trump. The Midwest voters put in their own executioner. And they gave Congress to the GOP terrorists. And things will get much worse for them now. Trump has released an pandora's box of hate and racism and misogyny. In the end I do believe that the alt right, KKK and anti gay forces will now feel free to run rampant over minorities. And I do believe hispanics will be under attack and there will be deportations.
We have a monster we cannot live with in the GOP. They are now determined to destroy the Democrats completely and become the only party in power. You can expect even more attacks on civil rights and voting right as they reveal their hidden agenda. Unless they can be stopped the US is gone and will be turned into an apartheid and theocratic country.
The RW evangelicals are now saying they want power. That means banning evolution teaching, prayer in schools, more charters that are run by their churches, prayer in public places, suppression of non Christian beliefs. It also means marriage between church and state with laws actually based on the Bible. They also will put an end to the law that stops churches from being political. They also want to keep their tax exempt status and WANT federal money for their charitable programs.
When is come to women they will lose all their rights. And the GOP is really serious about taking the votes of women. The "Handmaid's Tale" or some version of it will be pushed. Personhood will end and make illegal most forms of contraception. 51% of the women voters went for Trump. They killed themselves and the rest of the women.
Look for the emergence of a police state. Now there are rumblings that protesters against Trump are terrorists. He sounds nice now but the real monster will come out. Remember his first tweet.
As for the media they will be censored if they even criticize Trump. He expects them all to be like FOX now.
I know I paint a bleak picture. But there were so many people around me in Colorado. They are hateful and vengeful and they are GOP. Welcome to the emergence of an American Reich.
BTW - Ryan is signaling the end of Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security. And for vets look for the privatization or vouchering of the VA system.
Response by anonymous
We have a madman in the White House. "Donald Putin" wants nothing but power. Any system that allows a TV con man with a four year business degree and a low IQ is severely broken.
I am sick, deeply saddened and disgusted that about 50% support him. His supporters are Merikins not Americans. Our environment is now threatened more than ever. We are in so much trouble. Unless he is stopped now we cannot recover from the damage he will do.
Response by anonymous
People! Get angry! Use that anger - this is a time for anger, progressive anger! We need to stop kow-towing to the right and to the weak-willed centrists who control the Democratic Party. It's time to take over the Democratic Party and take the fight to the Republicans. We must fight to win the hearts and minds and souls of those people who feel disenfranchised by elitist, Wall Street politics. We must turn them away from sexism. We must turn them away from racism. We must focus THEIR anger at the right target: the corporations and the rich who have shaped Washington in their image, tuned it to their needs and in the process, corrupted our system of government. We must restore activist government - the government of Abraham Lincoln, of Franklin Roosevelt, of Lyndon Johnson. We must build upon the best traditions of the US: Medicare, a fair go for all, regulation of finance, the redistribution of wealth from the very top to everyone else. We must use the next two years to raise hell and make Trump's life as difficult as possible!
Down with Trump!
Response by anonymous
People! Get angry!
Say what? I thought we did.
Maybe not strongly enough, though; maybe we need to get even angrier, until the primitives get it.
The RW evangelicals are now saying they want power. That means banning evolution teaching, prayer in schools, more charters that are run by their churches, prayer in public places, suppression of non Christian beliefs. It also means marriage between church and state with laws actually based on the Bible.
When is come to women they will lose all their rights. And the GOP is really serious about taking the votes of women.
I have a question for the (D)Ummies:
How does it feel to be managed? To have your anger and your outrage managed? By a cog in the same machine that cheated against your dear bernie, no less?
And you infants actually believe skins is doing you a service with the current state of things. *shakes head*
:lmao:
CMD
... We've been friends to the unions for a long time, but can we count on the manufacturing unions going forward? Our righteous press for green energy and energy efficiency has hurt the UMW and UAW types. However, they were never real democrats anyway, and opposed much of what the country needs. ...
The RW evangelicals are now saying they want power. 1.) That means banning evolution teaching, prayer in schools, 2.) more charters that are run by their churches, 3.) prayer in public places, 4.) suppression of non Christian beliefs. 5.) It also means marriage between church and state with laws actually based on the Bible. They also will put an end to the law that stops churches from being political. They also want to keep their tax exempt status and 6.) WANT federal money for their charitable programs.
When DUmmies get burned from touching a hot stove they think it will burn less if they touch it even longer. Brilliant!
When DUmmies get burned from touching a hot stove they think it will burn less if they touch it even longer. Brilliant!
Response by Hertopos
I am still recovering from physical symptoms it caused.
On Wednesday morning, I forced myself to go to the office through I hardly slept. At one point, I actually snapped at my manager saying 'leave me alone'. Naturally, he was upset. On that day, I finally wept in the car, which helped me a little.
Yesterday, I had to deal with headaches and aching body. I finally took a break from my work and had to lay in bed for two hours before I went back to work.
... We've been friends to the unions for a long time, but can we count on the manufacturing unions going forward? Our righteous press for green energy and energy efficiency has hurt the UMW and UAW types. However, they were never real democrats anyway, and opposed much of what the country needs. ...
More bad news for Herpes. I just saw a report that several crates of cabbage have been reported missing.
Yes. I realize that the above was a bit obscure and will probably only mean anything to long time DUmmie-watchers.
Edit to add a photo:
(http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh497/FlippyDoo1/boo_zpszbqysasi.jpg)
Response by steve2470
I feel that I, as a middle-aged white man, must apologize for the 53% of white males and similar percentage of white females who voted for this stealth neo-Nazi. The neo-Nazi rattled the cage of racial anxiety, and he got elected. We non-racist white people and all people of color MUST turn out in 2018 and 2020 to repel the fascism that is threatening us. The Democratic Party must also go back to its 1933 roots for the working class and middle class.
Added 11/12/2016 4:00PM ET (eighth batch, more to come tomorrow)
Response by anonymous
I am not a DU member, but do follow it daily and would just like to pass on an observation of mine.
The violent protests and rioting, the destruction of property, the threat of continued and even more devastating violence and the rhetoric espousing extreme hatred is doing nothing but reinforcing the beliefs of the Right and embodying them even more.
This is exactly what you feared and predicted the Right would do if Hillary won.
^^^ Not sure how this one slipped thru???
:rotf: :lmao: :rotf:
Man! That was beautiful!!
Response by romanic
I felt pretty numb and tired from the elections. When I saw Trump on the verge of winning the electoral vote, the reality of him being president set in. I felt sick at first, but now I feel calm.
It's a shame that Hillary and Democrats lost this election, but at the same time it gives us the opportunity to revise things. We need to stop with the establishment of the global elite and the DNC stewards and go back to serving all people - that should include working class whites. As liberals we have to stop snubbing and demonizing working class whites as "redneck racists". It was part of why we lost.
I'd love to know which ones came from moles. I'd love to see a subtle code word or something.
We need to stop with the establishment of the global elite and the DNC stewards and go back to serving all people - that should include working class whites. As liberals we have to stop snubbing and demonizing working class whites as "redneck racists". It was part of why we lost.
IdaBriggs (350 posts) (Reply to MadHound - post #12) November 14, 2016 at 5:16 am
25. Yawn. I voted for Trump and I am none of the above.
Might want to look in a mirror for some xenophobia.
Cracks me up how many awards Trump received prior to becoming a politician for his efforts on behalf of inner city youth, immigrants, etc. I saw one photo on Facebook with him receiving an award with Mohammad Ali and Rosa Parks, while his early 2000 Advocate interview is lovely.
From JPR, a shocker:
:o
https://www.facebook.com/democraticunderground
Complete with some Gnads goodness. :lmao:
Michael L DeAngelis You have an "unbelievable response" on this Facebook page...you should try to "barely keep up" here, too,.There are things being said here that you've needed to hear for a long time.
Sc Martham As someone with multiple decades in IT, including web server administration and specializing in Disaster Recovery for the last couple years there's absolutely no way any reasonably run web forum is going to be down this long.
Tom Seim I tried to warn you guys months ago that Hillary was a seriously flawed candidate. What did I get for my sincere efforts? Banned! Well now you have to deal with the consequences of your group think, and if you do it again you will LOSE AGAIN!
William Bogy Well, I see you deleted all of the former DUers who swarmed in in the last couple of days, Skinner, you sanctimonious money-grubbing hypocrite. Free speech, indeed. Do you even have any intention of bringing DU back up? Or did the DLC money supply dry up?
Bill McCabe This is ridiculous. Your website has been down since Tuesday evening. It won't save you from the wrath of Sanders supporters, so just get it online again. Delaying will only make it worse.
Allyson Crawford It is absurd that the site is still down days later, especially after a push for money and stars. I bought a star like most did. Now this.
Johnny Vermont i say **** DU...lifelong Dem party line voter, worked for McCarthy, Mcgovern campaigns, tear gassed in DC by John Mitchell and Nixon, Union supporter....blocked from the site last year... no reason given...maybe i didn't have enough posts..or kiss the right ass...or maybe i had an original thought...a microcosm of why Dems lost this election...enjoy the wilderness....
John Brant You guys pissed away all the money generated from the site and can't fix it...amiright?
Eric Scher How much longer are you going to keep pretending that the main page is still down because of the Tuesday hack?
Vinnie Faggio You guys are nothing but a bunch of grifting scum, preying on the gullible. You filthy Hillarites learned your lesson from Hillary very well. Rigging the primary against Bernie sure was a great idea, wasn't it you filthy Hillarite bastards?
It'll be fun to pull up election predictions from DUmmyville. I have a few bookmarked, so hopefully they can be recovered.
:drool:
Ditto on DIscussionist, if that is allowed to continue. DU membership hated DI like poison, hated that Skinner had the AUDACITY to spin off a site that allowed any political view to be discussed and that used a membership jury instead of mods or a "MIRT" (Malicious Intruder Removal Team) to handle things..
It'll be fun to pull up election predictions from DUmmyville. I have a few bookmarked, so hopefully they can be recovered.
Leffler P. Bohannon
Leffler P. Bohannon Keep the poisonous shits such as bravenak, sheshe and all the other vicious "my way or the highway" race card players and privilege pimps off the site and maybe, just maybe, it might improve.
And stop this "check your white privilege" shit being spouted from the dumb ass birkenstock-wearing panty-twisted tree huggers. Being born white does not automatically equate racist. Things ain't gonna go your way all the time, snowflakes and #trigglypuffs, so come out of your silly ass "safe spaces" and breath...and get a damned job or at least quit demanding everybody else finance your damned worthless pursuit of a degree in "Ugandan Basket Weaving Styles", or some other useless silly crap.
And take a Civics class...this dumb ass "petition" to change the Electors...it ain't going nowhere, so stop it. Work within the system, get out the vote, talk with your representatives, rather than going hissy-bonkers and talking stupid-ass childish shit that will never happen. If everything goes well, maybe Wee Willie Pitt will come back and all of you can orgasm over his lying crap and so-called "journalism".
One damned thing is for sure and you can take it to the bank...Hillary Godamned Clinton ain't gonna be President of these United States...and nothing any of you cry baby fart sniffers can do will make that wish come true. And don't start dreaming about the spawn of Web Hubble for 2020. She's got baggage, too. Namely her father and her "father". Grow up, fer shit's sake.
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But.....going back to my original question, assuming that we're being told the truth about the downage, wouldn't it take time to get a site back up after a major hack?
I REALLY MISS THOSE STUPID "I VOTED" STICKERS ON DU.And a 1000+ post thread, simply with "Silent thread that Trump is NOT MY PRESIDENT".
Response by SHRED
I respectfully disagree that Bernie would have had a better chance at beating you-know-who (Donald J. Trump). Bernie took a stand against consolidated corporate power including the media (then he sold out for a $600K vacation home on Lake Champlain). Orange man just bashed the media as a political tool. The media knew who they wanted. They knew DT was a fake populist and that Sanders was the real populist. Hillary was a much less threat to this consolidated power. She embraced it in many respects. With all this in mind I believe Bernie would have been trashed in the corporate media to a far greater degree than Hillary Trump is a media sweetheart. He is their product and had a show of his own for years on TV. A showman who draws ratings Ratings are key. Trump wins no matter what. That's my take.
https://www.facebook.com/democraticunderground
Complete with some Gnads goodness. :lmao:
Orrie Bearshield
Oh goody. where are the DU bouncies when you need one?
Sooo...I'm still not buying the "hack" They are scrubbing the site and retooling for paying Hilbots only. Gotcha...
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Cory Rockwell
Donald Trump is my president! Damn it feels good to say that. After hearing liberals constantly saying "Barack Obama is my president" Life is good.
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Navid Ethan Rahimian
Just came back to let you liberals know im almost out of your tears for my breakfast cereal. Came back hoping for more. Could you liberals cry for me a bit more? i have buckets and buckets with me. I can wait for you guys shall i? Maybe once your done with rioting? ill be waiting for you.
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Nadin Brzezinski Gerard Whittey To be fair many if the limo liberals have been doing that with working class folks for years. So turn about is fair play... I get it where that is coming from, even if I do not like it. Do you want to get anywhere? Well this is not going to help, on either side to be fair. I guess I spend way too much time in the field listening to working class folks...
George Campbell I look forward to DU's return. I was embarrassingly wrong with my predictions for this election. I want to see us discuss the reasons so many of us were wrong. That's how we can do better in the future. I'll watch for the re-launch.
Betty Alpha Stage a Violent Peaceful Protest:
Boycott Christmas make the GOP angrier than you feel right now!!
#ShutDownChristmas
#TurnBlackFridayRed
#VoteWithYourWallet
#TheTrumpThatStoleChristmas
#BreakChristmas
#ZeroConsumerConfidence
Make the GOP pay.
Shop local non-Trump supporting businesses, make gifts, give food, shop your local facebook buy sell and trade groups.
This will hurt them worse than anything else, Their god is money!
Spread the word!
Bruce Starkweather Strange:lmao:
Trying to figure out how this shit ended up on my wall lol
George Campbell I look forward to DU's return. I was embarrassingly wrong with my predictions for this election. I want to see us discuss the reasons so many of us were wrong. That's how we can do better in the future. I'll watch for the re-launch.
Cracks me up how many awards Trump received prior to becoming a politician for his efforts on behalf of inner city youth, immigrants, etc. I saw one photo on Facebook with him receiving an award with Mohammad Ali and Rosa Parks, while his early 2000 Advocate interview is lovely.
Sc Martham As someone with multiple decades in IT, including web server administration and specializing in Disaster Recovery for the last couple years there's absolutely no way any reasonably run web forum is going to be down this long.
Same here. I have several links to Dummy predictions of a Land Slide Victory for Hillary!
The best part is the definition of "landslide" they agreed upon does not apply to President elect Donald Trump. :banghead:
Just going from memory their predictions of the EC numbers were almost exactly 180 degrees off. I think they had Hellery with 306 ECs and that was to them a total blowout.
Nadin Brzezinski Leffler P. Bohannon
You are not the only victim of this group of well... as to Brave, she crossed a critical line when she questioned my self-identity as an immigrant from Mexico and a Jew. I could be neither due to a lack of melanin content. Apparently, I grew up in the midwest, to my shock and surprise. She is vile. Some of the issues she at times talked about are valid, but Brave, and the rest of them never cared to go deep into them. When Alfred Olango was shot in El Cajon I found silence at the AA group, It confirmed what I thought. The story on the main forum, single story, sank as well. Again it confirmed my view of the limousine driving, latte drinking liberals. (There is a book by that title incidentally) but far better described by Thomas Frank in Listen Liberal. They do not care about working class and immigrant issues, or minority issues, unless they can somehow exploit them.
Leffler P. Bohannon Helen Tindall Izzat you, sheshe? No, darling, no bitterness on my part. But it did become tiresome to attempt to comment on something that I wished to comment on, and regardless of the content or point of the comment, be immediately attacked as either a racist or a "Trumpster". I am neither. However, that despicable bravenak once called me a racist for the simple fact that I made a disparaging comment on the quality of Kanye West's music. And then alerted on me! And of course, if she alerted, the jury will certainly go her way, because, to do otherwise risked the similar labeling of being "racist".
Just one small example. I have many, ranging from her antisemitic baiting to excoriation by the usually personable Judy Lynn for having the temerity to question her on one of her "I love Chavez" news postings. Too many people used DU for their own personal "rage therapy", rather than the useful exchange of differing viewpoints of a common cause.
I remember the early DU...perhaps you do not. You probably cannot understand the success of Discussionist or see the reason that the JPR became a refuge for many ex-DU'ers. And the total destruction of a good man (Bernie Sanders) by a bunch of coached assholes, led by a paid shill for the DNC (as in Skinner and his wife)...well, enough rant. It is done...I don't think we'll see DU back as it once was and it will never be what it could have been. In any event, they will never get another penny of my money. You have a nice day.
Listened to some Michael Moore videos today since some media pundits are praising him for having seen the ruined state of the American working middle class. He saw some things, but his reasons behind why things went the way they did are way off course. He still doesn't get it.
Response by Tracer
I have recovered somewhat from the utter shock and disgust at the outcome of this election. Now what to do?
One thing is for people to petition their state legislators to pass a law that requires their state electors to cast their votes for the candidate who won the popular vote. This would supercede having to have an amendment to the constitution.
15 states have already done this, including my state of Massachusetts. Get busy folks!!
Sheila Hartney I posted for many years as SheilaT. In early August my account was flagged for review, something that was supposed to last only a few days. There is simply no way to contact the administrators when you're in that limbo, which is beyond frustrating. A few days became three months. I was often openly critical of Hillary and the entire process that put her as the nominee. I am convinced that I was being stalked, and while I'm pretty certain I know by whom, there's no point in naming names. Meanwhile the site is still down. Really? And when it comes back, will the sins of those like me, who pointed out -- correctly as it turns out -- that Bernie Sanders would have made a vastly better candidate, will my sins be forgiven? Or will the extremists who took over in the past year still hold sway?
comment 3364:
http://conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,81827.3350
It looks to me as if Skins mistakenly tossed someone who's normal-looking.
He doesn't care for people that are prettier than himself.
In early August my account was flagged for review
Vinnie Faggio If you stupid bastards ever get your little hugbox back up, what you totally should do is let bravenak, cha and sheshe2 just run the ****ing place. After all, that is what you did before you decided to pull the plug on your grifting operation. I'm sure that having those august individuals drive away even more of your base will work out swimmingly for you, you Hillarite ****ing scum.
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Jason R Inclan
Jason R Inclan Sheshe, hehe. Yep, I swore they are a paid poster.
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Alexandra Kinks
Alexandra Kinks Jason R Inclan Cha and sheshe are the same person. Cha absolutely trashed Clinton in 2008, then in 2016 -- all is forgiven! -- was moderator of the Hillary Clinton group. It once was a good. thought-provoking site, but in recent years it's become an absolute joke.
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Vinnie Faggio
Vinnie Faggio Alexandra Kinks Oh, Nance and I have had a few words right here on the DU Facebook site on Wednesday. Filthy ****ing Hillarite was trying to convince everyone that Bernie wouldn't have won, which everyone who isn't tonguing Hillary's asshole knows is complete bullshit.
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Rick Knox
Rick Knox Alexandra Kinks Don't forget everybody's favorite scold, BainesBane. Jesus, but that pedantic nutcase was in love with her own voice (as it were).
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Grant Mueller
Grant Mueller Vinnie Faggio uh huh. and you know that how..polls? the same ****ing polls that showed a huge win for Hillary? give it a rest you ****ing idiot.
Like · Reply · November 12 at 10:33pm
Vinnie Faggio
Vinnie Faggio Grant Mueller You mad there felllow?
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Brad Chapstick
Brad Chapstick Rick Knox while were here talikn' shit without getting banned let me just ad that Sid Dithers is another smarmy (but consistently wrong) smug little asshole that should go away...
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Brad Chapstick
Brad Chapstick Grant Mueller nope. not the same DNC FRIENDLY toilet paper polls you are refering to.
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Response by kentuck
I just saw Paul Ryan on the television machine. He was talking about "how united the Republicans are".... It dawned on me how much neither Party knows anything about how this guy is setting up his government. They are both in the dark. It is a right-wing coup. Period.
Response by BainsBane
America, I had no idea how much you hated us. I never realized that being an educated woman who thinks that I rather than government should control my own body would cause such resentment. I remain in shock that you found a supremely qualified and competent woman candidate more unacceptable than an unstable, vindictive sociopath whose lies far exceed any political candidate in recorded history. You judged honesty by his eagerness to express hatred and made no effort to independently verify the statements of the two candidates. I realize now that merely being a woman means we are assumed to be liars, untrustworthy, and no level of preparedness or service to others can counteract that. You instead decided a man who repeatedly sexually assaulted women should be elevated to the highest office in the nation, despite the fact that a majority of you believed he committed those acts. You validated sexual assault, just as you validated racism.
I didn’t understand how much you despised my LGBT loved ones, that my African American friends were so resented because of their race and efforts to be treated as equal citizens, to not be killed because of their skin color. I underestimated the hatred for my Latino and Muslim co-workers. I grieve that voters of my own state came within one point of affirming Trump’s hateful condemnation of our Somali Minnesotan neighbors; that they chose for US congress a man who declared that white people should have the “right†to own other human beings as slaves. You chose a candidate endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan and who used racism and xenophobia as central features of his campaign. Exit polls show that Hillary Clinton prevailed among voters who named the economy as their primary issue, but Trump won voters who identified immigration and terrorism as central concerns. Those of you who do not think of yourself as racist nonetheless validated it by voting for Trump. Voters who chose third party candidates or wrote in names demonstrated that they were more comfortable elevating white male supremacy to the White House than voting for an exceedingly qualified woman candidate. The Bernie or Busters likewise chose hatred over equality and diversity, and the glee with which they are celebrating Trump’s win demonstrates to me that they share far too much in common with the alt-right.
The voters of my country betrayed me. They showed me that my life and that of those I care about is not only meaningless but despised. This is not the country I thought I lived in, not the state I thought was filled with good people. Even among my own family, I feel a sense of betrayal. This is not just a political loss; it is deeply personal.
Response by Duhneece
Humans are funny in that we can feel contradictory feeling all at the same time. I feel gratitude toward my DU family for supporting me as I ran for State Representative in a very Republican county in New Mexico with contributions to my campaign and more importantly, with such strengthening words that I stood up taller, felt nurtured and nourished ... especially Pinboy3niner and OmahaSteve.
I have such love & loyalty to DU that I have to smile, in spite of the...... mourning for our nation, for the public lands, for the marginalized and those with no voice. But I feel fierce determination to run again, if our nation has a way to that then, to create for me and for all I want to do... a better world for all of us.
Response by LeftishBrit
First of all, I am sorry about what that criminal did to the website. Secondly -or first- I am devastated by the 'election' of the man I cannot yet bear to name: I call him The Unspeakable, or the T-word. And that there are bullies, racists, misogynists etc, who will use him as an excuse to be vile. And that my own misguided country has chosen this time to maroon itself on a desert island when it should be huddling with our Europaean friends.
I hope this disaster will make some of my fellow citizens reconsider. I put 'election' in quotation marks because for the second time out of five elections in the 21st century, the person who lost the popular vote won in the electoral college. Why even go the trouble and expense of holding an election, when the person who got fewest votes is almost as likely to win as the one who got most votes? Might as well toss a coin!
My best thoughts to all of you who actually have to live there, and have the Unspeakable think he is fit to walk on the same ground as Obama, let alone take his place in the White House.
Stay safe, all. Transatlantic hugs.
Response by BainsBane
America, I had no idea how much you hated us. I never realized that being an educated woman who thinks that I rather than government should control my own body would cause such resentment. I remain in shock that you found a supremely qualified and competent woman candidate more unacceptable than an unstable, vindictive sociopath whose lies far exceed any political candidate in recorded history. You judged honesty by his eagerness to express hatred and made no effort to independently verify the statements of the two candidates. I realize now that merely being a woman means we are assumed to be liars, untrustworthy, and no level of preparedness or service to others can counteract that. You instead decided a man who repeatedly sexually assaulted women should be elevated to the highest office in the nation, despite the fact that a majority of you believed he committed those acts. You validated sexual assault, just as you validated racism.
I didn’t understand how much you despised my LGBT loved ones, that my African American friends were so resented because of their race and efforts to be treated as equal citizens, to not be killed because of their skin color. I underestimated the hatred for my Latino and Muslim co-workers. I grieve that voters of my own state came within one point of affirming Trump’s hateful condemnation of our Somali Minnesotan neighbors; that they chose for US congress a man who declared that white people should have the “right†to own other human beings as slaves. You chose a candidate endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan and who used racism and xenophobia as central features of his campaign. Exit polls show that Hillary Clinton prevailed among voters who named the economy as their primary issue, but Trump won voters who identified immigration and terrorism as central concerns. Those of you who do not think of yourself as racist nonetheless validated it by voting for Trump. Voters who chose third party candidates or wrote in names demonstrated that they were more comfortable elevating white male supremacy to the White House than voting for an exceedingly qualified woman candidate. The Bernie or Busters likewise chose hatred over equality and diversity, and the glee with which they are celebrating Trump’s win demonstrates to me that they share far too much in common with the alt-right.
The voters of my country betrayed me. They showed me that my life and that of those I care about is not only meaningless but despised. This is not the country I thought I lived in, not the state I thought was filled with good people. Even among my own family, I feel a sense of betrayal. This is not just a political loss; it is deeply personal.
Rick Knox Alexandra Kinks Don't forget everybody's favorite scold, BainesBane. Jesus, but that pedantic nutcase was in love with her own voice (as it were).
Response by kentuck
I just saw Paul Ryan on the television machine. He was talking about "how united the Republicans are".... It dawned on me how much neither Party knows anything about how this guy is setting up his government. They are both in the dark. It is a right-wing coup. Period.
America, I had no idea how much you hated us.
Response by BainsBane
America, I had no idea how much you hated us. I never realized that being an educated woman who thinks that I rather than government should control my own body would cause such resentment.
But I feel fierce determination to run again, if our nation has a way to that then, to create for me and for all I want to do... a better world for all of us.
Response by BainsBane
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The voters of my country betrayed me. They showed me that my life and that of those I care about is not only meaningless but despised. This is not the country I thought I lived in, not the state I thought was filled with good people. Even among my own family, I feel a sense of betrayal. This is not just a political loss; it is deeply personal.
I can't figure out why Jugs thinks the world's supposed to suit her, rather than her the world.
We, even when little kids, fully understood that the world's not necessarily going to be the way we want it.
Where do the primitives get this odd idea?
Secondly -or first- I am devastated by the 'election' of the man I cannot yet bear to name: I call him The Unspeakable, or the T-word.
Where is this supposed taking away from LGBT rights coming from?From the exit of Libs' and Progs' alimentary canal.
Why even go the trouble and expense of holding an election, when the person who got fewest votes is almost as likely to win as the one who got most votes? Might as well toss a coin!
Where is this supposed taking away from LGBT rights coming from?
Response by sofa king
As a former legislative analyst, I've used DU for years as my platform for prognostication. Here's my prediction:
We're doomed. Last time this happened we had one vote in the Senate to keep us from going over the ledge. Not this time. The Republicans will have nobody to blame but themselves this time, so you can bet your ass that they'll find a way to blame us. Only fear will keep them where they want to be, which is in total control. Reichstag fire by next Fall. Declaration of national emergency by next winter. President for Life Trump by 2018. Suspension of elections thereafter.
As a student of history, I've seen it all before: The Thirty Tyrants, Nero, Cromwell, Napoleon, Mussolini, Hitler, the Docs, Mobutus, and Marcoses. I'm disgusted that the sum of my life's work will be, in retrospect, to have contributed one more despised name to the list, to have set humanity back yet again.
The good news is that every single prediction I've offered this year has been completely wrong, so you can probably count on that. The bad news is that I am pretty sure it's going to be much worse than we CAN predict.
I will protect my decency as if it's the last thing I have, because it is, and I won't be surprised to find that I'm taking it to my grave... or trying to trade it in return for mere survival.
See you at the wall. Well, actually, I won't, because I'll be blindfolded.
Response by anonymous
Why not let those who voted for Trump know how we feel? Don't vacation in their states. If you know a high school athlete being offered athletic scholarships, encourage them not to attend state schools in states that went for Trump (would be very effective here in the South). Constantly remind people that the GOP platform states that pornography is a public health hazard. Let's see how the 4chan and Reddit crowd would like that. Remind people that it's not just abortion, but IVF and birth control could become illegal if people like Pence are setting policy. Hold their feet to the fire on bringing those manufacturing jobs back. Never fail to point out where their rhetoric doesn't match reality. Visit those horrible hate websites that were the source of the memes and rumors about Clinton that your facebook "friends" posted. Post in their forums. You may not win an argument, but you will show the lurkers that there are other positions in the world and, perhaps, make them think.
Response by sofa king
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The good news is that every single prediction I've offered this year has been completely wrong, so you can probably count on that. The bad news is that I am pretty sure it's going to be much worse than we CAN predict.
Amber Hoyt Your right. Sander would have lost to.
tRump did not win with his political beliefs, but with marketing. He figured how to market himself to a certain group in the right states to get the 270.
I know I relised this play only when I saw the boards on election night and they started to talk about what states tRump did and did not push in.
I am sure that others in Clintons team are kicking themselves now that they too can see it.
Here are some wise words from Amber, to start your morning:
Response by BainsBaneYou had no problems with this is 1992 and 1996, why now?
America, I had no idea how much you hated us. I never realized that being an educated woman who thinks that I rather than government should control my own body would cause such resentment. I remain in shock that you found a supremely qualified and competent woman candidate more unacceptable than an unstable, vindictive sociopath whose lies far exceed any political candidate in recorded history. You judged honesty by his eagerness to express hatred and made no effort to independently verify the statements of the two candidates. I realize now that merely being a woman means we are assumed to be liars, untrustworthy, and no level of preparedness or service to others can counteract that. You instead decided a man who repeatedly sexually assaulted women should be elevated to the highest office in the nation, despite the fact that a majority of you believed he committed those acts. You validated sexual assault, just as you validated racism.
Response by sofa king
As a former legislative analyst, I've used DU for years as my platform for prognostication. Here's my prediction:
We're doomed. Last time this happened we had one vote in the Senate to keep us from going over the ledge. Not this time. The Republicans will have nobody to blame but themselves this time, so you can bet your ass that they'll find a way to blame us. Only fear will keep them where they want to be, which is in total control. Reichstag fire by next Fall. Declaration of national emergency by next winter. President for Life Trump by 2018. Suspension of elections thereafter.
As a student of history, I've seen it all before: The Thirty Tyrants, Nero, Cromwell, Napoleon, Mussolini, Hitler, the Docs, Mobutus, and Marcoses. I'm disgusted that the sum of my life's work will be, in retrospect, to have contributed one more despised name to the list, to have set humanity back yet again.
Response by sofa king
As a former legislative analyst, I've used DU for years as my platform for prognostication. Here's my prediction:
... Reichstag fire by next Fall. Declaration of national emergency by next winter. President for Life Trump by 2018. Suspension of elections thereafter.
As an analyst, maybe you should consider how ridiculous you sound when you declare that Trump will overthrow our current form of government within a year. Hopefully, my taxes didn't pay you salary.
Here are some wise words from Amber, to start your morning:QuoteAmber Hoyt Your right. Sander would have lost to.
tRump did not win with his political beliefs, but with marketing. He figured how to market himself to a certain group in the right states to get the 270.
I know I relised this play only when I saw the boards on election night and they started to talk about what states tRump did and did not push in.
I am sure that others in Clintons team are kicking themselves now that they too can see it.
You had no problems with this is 1992 and 1996, why now?
Here are some wise words from Amber, to start your morning:
In case anyone needed it: concrete proof that the Left has nothing but tired, recycled, failed ideas from the past. Here, they're calling to re-produce the gigantic success of Not One Damn Dime Day, since that worked so well....QuoteBetty Alpha Stage a Violent Peaceful Protest:That just might work! Not. :loser:
Boycott Christmas make the GOP angrier than you feel right now!!
#ShutDownChristmas
#TurnBlackFridayRed
#VoteWithYourWallet
#TheTrumpThatStoleChristmas
#BreakChristmas
#ZeroConsumerConfidence
Make the GOP pay.
Shop local non-Trump supporting businesses, make gifts, give food, shop your local facebook buy sell and trade groups.
This will hurt them worse than anything else, Their god is money!
Spread the word!
That just might work! Not. :loser:In case anyone needed it: concrete proof that the Left has nothing but tired, recycled, failed ideas from the past. Here, they're calling to re-produce the gigantic success of Not One Damn Dime Day, since that worked so well....
Response by BainsBane
America, I had no idea how much you hated us
Response by BainsBane
America, I had no idea how much you hated us
That just might work! Not. :loser:In case anyone needed it: concrete proof that the Left has nothing but tired, recycled, failed ideas from the past. Here, they're calling to re-produce the gigantic success of Not One Damn Dime Day, since that worked so well....
Betty Alpha Stage a Violent Peaceful Protest:The kids of these DUmmies (the ones they did not abort) must have the crappiest holidays.
Boycott Christmas make the GOP angrier than you feel right now!!
#ShutDownChristmas
#TurnBlackFridayRed
#VoteWithYourWallet
#TheTrumpThatStoleChristmas
#BreakChristmas
#ZeroConsumerConfidence
Make the GOP pay.
Shop local non-Trump supporting businesses, make gifts, give food, shop your local facebook buy sell and trade groups.
This will hurt them worse than anything else, Their god is money!
Spread the word!
You had no problems with this is 1992 and 1996, why now?
Tina Landfair First of all the old DU, would let arguments hash out and use fact to support the Truth! But the Troll invasion allowed for rhetoric to become baseless fact. Any time somebody questioned Queen Hillary, they would shut it down. For what?? Her getting real time feed back would have prepped her for this shit. She was insulated her. Where were her Rallies??? I specifically said she was coming off as entitled to the Presidency! And DWS, tried to crown her queen before she said she was running even though she knew she was.WTF??
Bobby Olesen If Bernie had been allowed to win the primary, the Hillary people would have gotten behind him and we would have won the Presidency. Instead, the Bernie people were told to shut up and get with the program so many left and many even voted for Trump or left the Presidential vote blank and now we have the mess in which we find ourselves. We need these people back along with the working class that was ignored.
Jeffrey Stine I think i may explode. I am so angry. I wanna beat someone. no idont . I feel Trump ran to because of the Trump U. thing. To run out the clock or whatever. why arent articles of impeach allready going?:lmao:
Her getting real time feed back would have prepped her for this shit.
why arent articles of impeach allready going?
I doubt The SHREW looked to DU for info or strategy.Actually, there is no such requirement under the Constitution for #2. The Constitution is silent about when the high crime or misdemeanor occurs, only that this must be the reason for impeachment. It must be the reason even for chimpeachment.
Because of your bad grammar and spelling. OK, seriously, two things prevent that: 1.) only an inaugurated President can be impeached; 2.) the actions for which a President may be impeached have to have happened while in office. Actually, there's a third reason: when D Leader Pelosi inquired of Speaker Ryan he responded "AYFKM?"