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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: GOBUCKS on May 06, 2016, 11:47:05 AM
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Sadly, the drug-addicted earwig hoaxer hits the nail squarely on the head.
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:46 AM
cali (110,718 posts)
I think much of Trump's appeal is his stupidity.
Stupid people find it a comfortable fit. He's saying what they think. Of course his hateful (stupid) bigotry is another thing that appeals. Hateful bigots find it a comfortable fit.
Yes, Trump is stupid. His language and syntax have long displayed that. Yes, stupid people (of privilege) go to Wharton. Yes, stupid rich people get even richer.
I'm sick of hearing that he's smart or canny. He is not.
And sorry, but there are a lot of stupid people.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027809961
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People in hell must be getting ice water tonight. DU is making sense.
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I'm not going to search for it, but last year there was an article saying Trump used words and spoke on a 4th grade level. But the same article also said that Obama did, too, and Bush did slightly better on a 5th grade level.
Of course, part of the blame lies with the politicians believing that they have to always speak to the least educated.
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People in hell must be getting ice water tonight. DU is making sense.
I would find that a cause for concern.
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Sadly, the drug-addicted earwig hoaxer hits the nail squarely on the head.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027809961
In my opinion, you don't turn $1m into $10b by being stupid. Trump is one smart guy but for this election cycle, he's playing to emotion. That is, take care of the Vets, build the wall, stop muslim immigration UNTIL they can be properly vetted, take care of trade, put people back to work, etc. etc.
Remember, Reagan to derided too, and he turned out ok.
#neverhillary
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Sorry, but I am not seeing any bigotry.
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Trump did one thing politicians never do...
He told the TRUTH about Mexico and illegals. and for that he is called a racist.
Telling the truth that all Americans know is so unusual, he won their hearts.
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Sadly, the drug-addicted earwig hoaxer hits the nail squarely on the head.
I'm not sure what is the saddest indictment in your OP:
1. That you agree with cali.
2. That someone as "stupid" as Donald Trump was able to outsmart everybody, including the democrat-lite infested GOPe, and be the last man standing.
So, which is it? 1 or 2?
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Trump did one thing politicians never do...
He told the TRUTH about Mexico and illegals. and for that he is called a racist.
Telling the truth that all Americans know is so unusual, he won their hearts.
Sadly everything he's said since then has pegged him as the Liberal he is. But some people aren't smart enough to get past "he's gonna build a YUGE wall"...and they will repeat that right up until the moment he back peddles on that promise too.
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Trump did one thing politicians never do...
He told the TRUTH about Mexico and illegals. and for that he is called a racist.
Telling the truth that all Americans know is so unusual, he won their hearts.
Trump is doing the one thing that Romney, McCain and to a certain extent, Dubya did and that was to not fight back against the criticism. Part of the appeal of Trump is, he's willing to get in the gutter and fight the Democrats and MSM on THEIR terms, and kick their asses doing it. He isn't afraid of a fight.
That's what has the Dems in a quandry. How do they fight someone who is willing to fight back, with disproportionate force? They haven't seen that in 50 years or better.
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Part of the appeal of Trump is, he's willing to get in the gutter and fight the Democrats and MSM on THEIR terms, and kick their asses doing it. He isn't afraid of a fight.
That's what has the Dems in a quandry. How do they fight someone who is willing to fight back, with disproportionate force?
This is why, even though he wasn't my first, second, third, fourth, or fifth choice, I have no problem being enthusiastic about Donald Trump.
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This is why, even though he wasn't my first, second, third, fourth, or fifth choice, I have no problem being enthusiastic about Donald Trump.
You and me both franksolich. My motto? "#neverhillary.
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This is why, even though he wasn't my first, second, third, fourth, or fifth choice, I have no problem being enthusiastic about Donald Trump.
My guy was the last to bow out, but I am right there with you, Frank.
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My guy was the last to bow out, but I am right there with you, Frank.
That makes 3 of us.
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This is why, even though he wasn't my first, second, third, fourth, or fifth choice, I have no problem being enthusiastic about Donald Trump.
Hell, at the onset, I wanted Scott Walker. Rick Perry would have been acceptable to me. About the only two that would not have been acceptable were Jim Gilmore and George Pataki, and Gilmore might have won me over if he had tried. At the end of the day, if you're against the (presumptive) nominee, you're for their opponent, because that's the only alternative--no third-party candidate has a snowball's chance in Hell of winning. I hate HilLIARy. Therefore, I am for Trump. Do I think that he will be able to pull off a huge upset? Yes, I do--people have been counting Donald Trump out for decades, and he always comes back. He should have been destroyed years ago with his multiple bankruptcies, but he's survived and thrived. He survives.
I tend to agree with a Rush Limbaugh column from earlier this week, where he postulates that Trump will win in a landslide. I think that this result is a lot more likely than the landslide going the other way. Why? It's simple--the economy. HilLIARy has to both defend the massive stagflation under Obama, and put forth a plan to improve the economy that's actually workable. She has to stay on the left to get the Bernouts over to her side, yet she has to prove that anything she does will have a different result than what's happening in Venezuela, to get moderates to vote for her. She's in a classic "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. Plus, the Trump team is not going to go easy on her because of her gender. The Clintonistas will come hard after Trump, but he'll do something that we didn't see out of the last two (Establishment) Republican candidates--he'll fight back. He'll counterpunch hard. And he'll score, big. He won't let up. People forget that he's actually created private-sector jobs, in the various business ventures that he's been involved in. What private-sector jobs has HilLIARy created, other than a couple of legal assistants for the law firm that's defending her from the various charges against her?
Were there better candidates? Yes. Do we have them now? No. Are there a whole bunch of 'gibsmedats?' Yes. Are most of them registered to vote? Doubtful. A lot of older voters are tired of the usual political mumbo-jumbo, like what Trump has to say, and seem willing to give him a chance. Plus, older voters are the most reliable voting age group. The Quinnipiac poll that came out this morning shows good trends for Trump. Let's remember that the election is just under six months away. The "FBI Primary" has to be run, which will probably go horribly for both the Oministration and the Clintons. There won't be an indictment, but there will be a large number--I've heard 40 to 50--FBI agents that will leave the Bureau, and they will not be shy about exactly why they're leaving. There will be multiple, massive leaks of the pertinent evidence, which will be utterly damning to the Dems. Moderates who seemed willing to give HilLIARy a chance will go against her. Sure, the hardcore Dems will vote for her, but there's a fair number of them who are willing to give Trump a chance. They'll never admit that, however.
I think that it's actually going to be a decent year for Republicans. Only time will tell.
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A lot has been made of Trump's head-to-head numbers vs. Hitlery during the primary campaign, and fairly so by his primary opponents. However, I don't think they mean much because first, there's a long time between those polls and the final one that counts, and second, they seem to be trending in the right direction due to things that are going on in both parties as the final match-up becomes inevitable.
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I personally don't care how often y'all say "If you don't vote for Trump, you're voting for Hillary."
I'm not voting for either; and I never will. I cannot vote for that insane orange clown any more than I can vote for the evil conniving woman.
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I personally don't care how often y'all say "If you don't vote for Trump, you're voting for Hillary."
I'm not voting for either; and I never will. I cannot vote for that insane orange clown any more than I can vote for the evil conniving woman.
High five, dixierose.
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I think that it's actually going to be a decent year for Republicans.
That is only if they don't manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Again...
Spot on for the rest of your comments.
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High five, dixierose.
And another.
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This is why, even though he wasn't my first, second, third, fourth, or fifth choice, I have no problem being enthusiastic about Donald Trump.
The fact he's not a Conservative doesn't bother you?
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I personally don't care how often y'all say "If you don't vote for Trump, you're voting for Hillary."
I'm not voting for either; and I never will. I cannot vote for that insane orange clown any more than I can vote for the evil conniving woman.
I supported Cain, and hated to see what the MSM did to him. Now that he is no longer in the race, I'm not sure who I will vote for in Ga's primary. I know that I will stand behind the Republican nominee, whoever it may be.
Quite the turn around from 4 years ago, isn't it?
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5A02pNcGHs[/youtube]
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I threw up a little bit. I can't bring myself to quote that pile of shit, thundley.
It's funny how stink gravitates - and stays - from one critter to another.
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Quite the turn around from 4 years ago, isn't it?
4 years ago the nominee was not Trump. He wasn't even running. I've been #NeverTrump since he started his campaign. I would have gladly voted for any other nominee...even *shudder* Jeb.
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4 years ago the nominee was not Trump. He wasn't even running. I've been #NeverTrump since he started his campaign. I would have gladly voted for any other nominee...even *shudder* Jeb.
So your standard of "stand behind the Republican nominee, whoever it may be" has its limits? Is that correct? Because I remember hearing that if all of us didn't vote for liberal McCain, it was going to be allowing obama a victory - same for voting for liberal Romney. Now, it's different because of ... Donald Trump?
That's an interesting sliding scale you have, dixierose.
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I'd rather it was Trump than Jeb, Christie, or Graham. He's about equal in desirability to Kasich for me, not to equate their policy positions though, just the pluses and minuses.
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I'd rather it was Trump than Jeb, Christie, or Graham. He's about equal in desirability to Kasich for me, not to equate their policy positions though, just the pluses and minuses.
I just wish Trump would pick a position and stick to it. He has more positions than the Kamasutra.
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True, but I always took a lot of his BS as business-world initial negotiating positions, with him having to come to some kind of mutual terms with the party itself between the primary and the general elections.
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True, but I always took a lot of his BS as business-world initial negotiating positions, with him having to come to some kind of mutual terms with the party itself between the primary and the general elections.
But he hasn't shown any basic core principles. It's about winning at all costs and saying whatever it takes on a given day. His flip-flops on Planned Parenthood is the most egregious example. I don't even know what he thinks about them today, it may have changed from yesterday.
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But he hasn't shown any basic core principles. It's about winning at all costs and saying whatever it takes on a given day. His flip-flops on Planned Parenthood is the most egregious example. I don't even know what he thinks about them today, it may have changed from yesterday.
Not to mention we already know he has no regard Constitutionally to things like States Rights and private property.
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Not to mention we already know he has no regard Constitutionally to things like States Rights and private property.
Or the first amendment.
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In my opinion, you don't turn $1m into $10b by being stupid.
He didn't just get 1 million for starters, second he would be worth more today if he retired years ago with his funds in a fund.
http://www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/
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Whine all you want, everyone else lost to Trump in a stand-up fight, due as much to their own political blunders as any skill on his part, so it's a choice between him, Hitlery, staying home to pout, or just wiping your ass with your ballot in some pointless act of defiance. Myself, I'd rather take a chance on Trump than go with 'B,' 'C,'or 'D.'
I suppose there's always a chance, despite the perversion of DOJ into a poltical enforcement branch of the DNC, that Hitlery's antics as Secretary of State, both in the mishandling of classified information and the vast and incredibly-corrupt money-laundering scheme known as the Clinton Foundation will catch up to her and force withdrawal before the election. Maybe then you can vote for Biden or Sanders.
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Whine all you want, everyone else lost to Trump in a stand-up fight, due as much to their own political blunders as any skill on his part, so it's a choice between him, Hitlery, staying home to pout, or just wiping your ass with your ballot in some pointless act of defiance. Myself, I'd rather take a chance on Trump than go with 'B,' 'C,'or 'D.'
I suppose there's always a chance, despite the perversion of DOJ into a poltical enforcement branch of the DNC, that Hitlery's antics as Secretary of State, both in the mishandling of classified information and the vast and incredibly-corrupt money-laundering scheme known as the Clinton Foundation will catch up to her and force withdrawal before the election. Maybe then you can vote for Biden or Sanders.
Could not have said it better myself. Bravo, sir, bravo... :clap:
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I personally don't care how often y'all say "If you don't vote for Trump, you're voting for Hillary."
I'm not voting for either; and I never will. I cannot vote for that insane orange clown any more than I can vote for the evil conniving woman.
Amen, sister!
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Trump did one thing politicians never do...
He told the TRUTH about Mexico and illegals. and for that he is called a racist.
Telling the truth that all Americans know is so unusual, he won their hearts.
This is why I will vote for him. Maybe it's what we need.
I am SICK of politicians.
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Trump is doing the one thing that Romney, McCain and to a certain extent, Dubya did and that was to not fight back against the criticism. Part of the appeal of Trump is, he's willing to get in the gutter and fight the Democrats and MSM on THEIR terms, and kick their asses doing it. He isn't afraid of a fight.
Yeah, like he fought for shutting down Planned Parenthood for about 2 days then decided it was doing great things for women. We saw him pander to the ethanol crowd days before Iowa's election.
Sorry not buying it. Trump is one thing and one thing only... a populist. When he has the GOP candidate locked down he will swing left on a lot of issues.
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I think just about everybody dislikes the alternatives.
As conservatives, or at the very least, people that despise and abhor the direction progressivism has and continues to take America, we have limited choices.
A. Vote against clinton/for trump.
B. Vote against clinton/for Libertarian or write in.
C. Stay home and wash my hands of the whole works. Consent to nothing.
At the end of the day, there is no point in fighting amongst ourselves, and no matter how much we do so, those three choices aren't going to change.
To put this in perspective, remember, that many if not most of our so called conservative heroes, show only minimally better fidelity to the constitution, than their lib/prog counterparts. Even Justice Scalia, god rest his soul, for all his originalist reading, fell into the "how much should we infringe" camp, rather than the "should we infringe at all?" camp. None of the candidates on either side were really any better in terms of how they'd govern, and it doesn't take much soul searching to admit that to ones self. Fidelity to the constitution can be represented as a sober, aware driver behind the wheel. This election, amounts to a lot of people arguing over who is drunker than who, and which drunk should or shouldn't be behind the wheel.
I don't wish to offend anyone, I simply wanted to give a gentle reminder, that, as usual, the soberest drivers are eliminated by the process. Tearing each other up over it isn't going to improve our situation.
That is my view, for what it is worth.
CMD
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I think just about everybody dislikes the alternatives.
As conservatives, or at the very least, people that despise and abhor the direction progressivism has and continues to take America, we have limited choices.
A. Vote against clinton/for trump.
B. Vote against clinton/for Libertarian or write in.
C. Stay home and wash my hands of the whole works. Consent to nothing.
At the end of the day, there is no point in fighting amongst ourselves, and no matter how much we do so, those three choices aren't going to change.
To put this in perspective, remember, that many if not most of our so called conservative heroes, show only minimally better fidelity to the constitution, than their lib/prog counterparts. Even Justice Scalia, god rest his soul, for all his originalist reading, fell into the "how much should we infringe" camp, rather than the "should we infringe at all?" camp. None of the candidates on either side were really any better in terms of how they'd govern, and it doesn't take much soul searching to admit that to ones self. Fidelity to the constitution can be represented as a sober, aware driver behind the wheel. This election, amounts to a lot of people arguing over who is drunker than who, and which drunk should or shouldn't be behind the wheel.
I don't wish to offend anyone, I simply wanted to give a gentle reminder, that, as usual, the soberest drivers are eliminated by the process. Tearing each other up over it isn't going to improve our situation.
That is my view, for what it is worth.
CMD
Well said.
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Trump's grown on me. I like how he diminishes the left by acting like them, he doesn't take them seriously. And every hyperbolic statement he makes is just an indication that there is a problem to be solved.
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Trump's grown on me. I like how he diminishes the left by acting like them,
Are you sure it is an act?
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Anyone else wondering what woodpile these new nevertrumpers are coming out of?
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Anyone else wondering what woodpile these new nevertrumpers are coming out of?
I think I have a pretty good idea. One of our members is dragging them over, like Gator and the Ronulans back in the old CU days.
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I think I have a pretty good idea. One of our members is dragging them over, like Gator and the Ronulans back in the old CU days.
Given what I've seen it makes sense. It's pretty bad when you are basically bussing in supporters.
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Trump's grown on me.
Tumors and warts grow on people too.
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Given what I've seen it makes sense. It's pretty bad when you are basically bussing in supporters.
Because nobody here could possibly dislike Trump without being prodded by TRG first. :whatever:
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Because nobody here could possibly dislike Trump without being prodded by TRG first. :whatever:
No, but it definitely takes commitment to keep the butthurt going so long. You guys act like a 6 year old who didn't get a toy when mom went to Wal-Mart.
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No, but it definitely takes commitment to keep the butthurt going so long. You guys act like a 6 year old who didn't get a toy when mom went to Wal-Mart.
It doesn't take a lot of commitment when Donald Trump reminds the world on a daily basis what a shitbag of a human being he is but if you want to line up to support him, go ahead.
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It doesn't take a lot of commitment when Donald Trump reminds the world on a daily basis what a shitbag of a human being he is but if you want to line up to support him, go ahead.
I already have. If somehow a brokered convention happens and another nominee is chosen I'll support them. Fact of it is the amount of complaining I see from the nevertrump crowd here tells me they enjoy watching candidates roll over and die. They like the business as usual attitude of the GOP on the beltway and couldn't give a rat's hind end for the will of the people.
Like it or not, Cruz suspended his campaign. He wasn't forced out. He was a good candidate amongst many. It just happens he isn't the last man standing. I and many others are making the best of the situation instead of crying over spilled milk.
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I didn't read thru a lot of it cause I really didn't want to hear it. My story is I went to all the pro 2nd amendment rallys in Albany after the safe act was passed in the middle of the night and met Trump at two that he was there for. I was able to meet him cause I know his security guard Keith for life who is from New Paltz NY. My wife and I know him from connections in town and have met him on a few occasions. Trump is a real man. Not a fake. Not perfect as I don't think you get to that level in America being such. A patriot? I believe so. A Conservative? Nah. Better than Hillary? Come on CC friends! Stop the stupid! He is miles above McCain or Romney for that matter. Who did you vote for in those elections?
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Are you sure it is an act?
No, I think the guy suffers from the same mental issues that drive leftists to be idiots, but it doesn't keep him from setting up a more conservative/Republican style administration. Maybe the guy sees a trend, sees that the pendulum needs to swing back to the right, and he's wants to put his name on it like he does everything else. He's not ideologically conservative but maybe it's about building the right team to do the right thing. I dunno. Wishful thinking maybe, I was rooting for Cruz, and I felt like I was over doing it with my fear of Trump.
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Tumors and warts grow on people too.
Well my trump wart is telling me that he's not so bad. Not enough for me to come on the CC and start advocating for him and getting in arguments and all that. I won't bug you guys like that. But it's fun blaming Trump's popularity on liberals on other sites....
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No, I think the guy suffers from the same mental issues that drive leftists to be idiots, but it doesn't keep him from setting up a more conservative/Republican style administration. Maybe the guy sees a trend, sees that the pendulum needs to swing back to the right, and he's wants to put his name on it like he does everything else. He's not ideologically conservative but maybe it's about building the right team to do the right thing. I dunno. Wishful thinking maybe, I was rooting for Cruz, and I felt like I was over doing it with my fear of Trump.
I support Trump and will crawl over broken glass to vote for him but I won't argue with anyone. If someone isn't going to vote for anyone, well, it is America and that is their right. I won't get into it with anyone over their choice.
I know my choice.
#neverhillary