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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: txradioguy on January 20, 2016, 04:18:03 AM
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Last night, Sarah Palin, Donald Trump’s “very special guest,†endorsed him at Iowa State University. Of course, a lot of people are shocked that she would endorse him over Ted Cruz. She’s the Tea Party darling after all, standing for conservative values from supporting gun rights to defunding Obamacare.
Cruz communications director Rick Tyler said earlier Tuesday that the campaign would be very disappointed if Palin supported Trump because she:
...has been a champion of the conservative cause and if she was going to endorse Donald Trump, sadly she would be endorsing someone who's held progressive views all their life on the sanctity of life, on marriage, on partial-birth abortion, he supported [the] TARP bailout — it goes on and on and on.
Palin responded with a tweet linking to an article written by her daughter in which Bristol Palin blasts the Cruz campaign for “slamming†her mom.
Cruz responded with a tweet of his own—this one much more conciliatory:
Ted Cruz
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@tedcruz
I love @SarahPalinUSA Without her support, I wouldn't be in the Senate. Regardless of what she does in 2016, I will always be a big fan.
7:55 PM - 19 Jan 2016
But should Cruz and others be surprised that Palin would jump on the Trump train? Not if you’ve paid attention to what she’s been saying ever since Trump got into the race.
In August, the former Alaskan governor interviewed Trump on One America News Network, showing her enthusiasm and support for the firebrand candidate:
I’ve said since the day he made the sacrifice to hit the campaign trail, voters crave the anti-status-quo politicians,†she said. “They want results. They need a fighter. They need someone to fire all those political correct police.
In another interview in August, this one on Fox News, Palin shows her support of Trump, saying his “common sense plans†are a “real shot in the arm to Constitutionalists and conservatives who want America to be put first by our leaders.â€
Lastly, and more significantly in light of her endorsement of Trump last night, is an interview on CBN last month where she says of Trump (about 2:00 in): “I meet with him quite a bit. I’m so thankful that he’s running ... He calls it like he sees it, and to me that’s refreshing. He’s a fighter, he’s a competitor. We need a fighter for America, someone who will put our nation first.â€
Palin’s enthusiasm for Trump mirrors many of his supporters from the Tea Party ranks. That zeal would be understandable if Trump were the only anti-establishment candidate in the race. But he’s not. There’s Cruz. He’s the true constitutional conservative, and it would make sense that Palin, who has always stood for conservative values, would support him.
That’s not the case. Palin’s endorsement for Trump over Cruz reveals her populist-over-principles roots. Trump represents authoritarian, nationalistic, Jacksonian populism that is not rooted in constitutional principles. It’s about the fight, taking power away from the establishment and defeating the real enemy—the politically correct Left that is hell-bent on fundamentally changing America—at all costs. Palin is choosing power over principles.
Why? It might be a simple as she has a personal relationship with Trump. She said in her December interview that she meets with him “quite a bit.†There isn’t any indication that she meets with Cruz very often if at all. If anything, Palin is loyal to with whom she builds personal connections.
Her support of Trump might also be good old-fashioned horse trading. The king of “making the deal†might have offered something to the former Alaskan governor to garner her support—a vice presidential spot (don’t rule it out!) or a cabinet position? We don’t know, but it’s not implausible in the self-interested world of politics.
Ultimately, will Palin’s endorsement mean anything? Obviously, Cruz has gotten under Trump’s skin by edging closer in the polls. As Trump’s liberal record comes out and becomes public knowledge, conservative supporters are taking a second look at him. It makes sense that Trump would fight back with a ringing endorsement from a conservative. But will Palin’s populist-motivated endorsement work when strong conservative voices like Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh are doing more to expose Trump’s record than to throw their conservative creds behind him? It’s unlikely. Conservatives questioning their support of Trump in light of his record will be more likely to listen to conservative radio than Palin, especially since they have a choice with Cruz.
She will also do little to help Trump if Cruz’s push to prove that Trump really isn’t an anti-establishment populist is effective. A case can be made that populists don’t care if Trump is a conservative. Palin is proof of that. But what if he’s not even a populist? His recent language about making deals with the other side and everyone getting along in D.C. certainly reeks of establishment squishiness and not the unflinching determination to fight for America many populists are craving.
When supporters of Trump begin to realize that, not only is he not a conservative, but he’s not even a populist, they will jump ship. Conservatives will flock to Cruz. The populists will scatter, licking their wounds, either holding on to the Trump ideal to the bitter end or finally realizing Cruz is the fighter they wanted all along. Either way, their insurgency will be broken, and the conservative resurgency will truly begin.
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/01/why-did-sarah-palin-endorse-donald-trump
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She will also do little to help Trump if Cruz’s push to prove that Trump really isn’t an anti-establishment populist is effective. A case can be made that populists don’t care if Trump is a conservative. Palin is proof of that. But what if he’s not even a populist? His recent language about making deals with the other side and everyone getting along in D.C. certainly reeks of establishment squishiness and not the unflinching determination to fight for America many populists are craving.
When supporters of Trump begin to realize that, not only is he not a conservative, but he’s not even a populist, they will jump ship. Conservatives will flock to Cruz. The populists will scatter, licking their wounds, either holding on to the Trump ideal to the bitter end or finally realizing Cruz is the fighter they wanted all along. Either way, their insurgency will be broken, and the conservative resurgency will truly begin.
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/01/why-did-sarah-palin-endorse-donald-trump
You are dreaming! Palin understands that only an outsider can change the mess in DC. Most of Trump's supporters feel that way.
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It would be different if this was the general election and not the primaries.
As it is she runs the risk of alienating Conservatives who supported her more than she does swaying any of them to support Trump who weren't already.
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"We need a fighter for America, someone who will put our nation first.â€
How is this materially different from Deutschland, Deutschland über alles?
Palin’s endorsement for Trump over Cruz reveals her populist-over-principles roots. Trump represents authoritarian, nationalistic, Jacksonian populism that is not rooted in constitutional principles.
^^^ This.
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It would be different if this was the general election and not the primaries.
As it is she runs the risk of alienating Conservatives who supported her more than she does swaying any of them to support Trump who weren't already.
The Iowa's Governor statement of anybody but Cruz carries more weight than an endorsement by Palin. Opposing the subsidies, which I support, will not play well in this corn state.
You can nit pick this and I can nit pick that.
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The Iowa's Governor statement of anybody but Cruz carries more weight than an endorsement by Palin. Opposing the subsidies, which I support, will not play well in this corn state.
Gov Braindead is in the pocket of the ethanol lobby. His son is a lobbyist for them as well. Trump stood right there with Braindead and his son and said he wants more EPA mandated fuel blending than even Obama wants. So much for anti establishment and anti big government.
You support the subsidies? Congrats you support a big government boondoggle that we the taxpayers have to suffer for. Nice to see you're all for crony capitalism. Ethanol blended fuels suck for gas mileage, gum up engines and drive up the price of corn.
So what you say? Well higher prices for corn means that it costs cattle ranchers more to feed their herds. To save money the cattle ranchers simply reduce the isize of the herds they send to market.
Smaller numbers of cattle that go to market means the price of beef goes up. And with the shit hole economy we've got right now it makes it that much harder for people to buy groceries because of the increased costs.
If ethanol is so great...then let it survive on the free market on it's own instead of receiving government subsidies.
You can nit pick this and I can nit pick that.
No you'll just blindly defend anything Trump says regardless of the facts.
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Did you notice that Trump's big announcement just conveniently buried the news about the new Hillary server problems?
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Gov Braindead is in the pocket of the ethanol lobby. His son is a lobbyist for them as well. Trump stood right there with Braindead and his son and said he wants more EPA mandated fuel blending than even Obama wants. So much for anti establishment and anti big government.
You support the subsidies? Congrats you support a big government boondoggle that we the taxpayers have to suffer for. Nice to see you're all for crony capitalism. Ethanol blended fuels suck for gas mileage, gum up engines and drive up the price of corn.
So what you say? Well higher prices for corn means that it costs cattle ranchers more to feed their herds. To save money the cattle ranchers simply reduce the isize of the herds they send to market.
Smaller numbers of cattle that go to market means the price of beef goes up. And with the shit hole economy we've got right now it makes it that much harder for people to buy groceries because of the increased costs.
If ethanol is so great...then let it survive on the free market on it's own instead of receiving government subsidies.
No you'll just blindly defend anything Trump says regardless of the facts.
Not true. You are so dumb, YOU DID NOT READ WHAT I SAID ABOUT OPPOSING SUBSIDIES. Ethanol is a big scam. Making corn into energy is insane. Sounds like you do hate Trump.
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Not true. You are so dumb, YOU DID NOT READ WHAT I SAID ABOUT OPPOSING SUBSIDIES. Ethanol is a big scam. Making corn into energy is insane.
Then why do you support a candidate who is behind using the EPA to increase ethanol subsidies and the amount of ethanol in our gasoline.
Sounds like you do hate Trump.
Again. That is a lie.
Why do you follow him so blindly?
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His recent language about making deals with the other side and everyone getting along in D.C. certainly reeks of establishment squishiness and not the unflinching determination to fight for America many populists are craving.
After Trump said THAT, I began wondering just where does he stand.
I like Jeb's weather vane ad about Rubio but, I think it also pertains to Trump.
Sarah, you disappoint me.
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Well, Here I am again. I know I am not around much anymore, but I am still a member and will now weigh in.
I left the Republican Party many many years ago, and have been an Independent since. Still have never voted for a Democrat. But, with that said, here's the way I see it.
The Republican Establishment hes ZERO clue what Americans want, and/or need. We are sick to death of their tentative ways. We try to support conservatism, and here comes the Republicans, being anything but conservative.
We the People watched in horror, as Obozo, a mediocre candidate at best, schooled McLame. He refused to fight. He refused to challenge the status quo. He lost. We watched the Republican't Party as they threw Palin under the bus. Then, we watched as a Republican SCOTUS appointee legislated Obozocare fine, as a tax, from the Bench. then, we watched as Romney refused to confront Obozo. He lost. We were told we needed to empower the Pubbies to repeal Obozocare, so we gave them the purse strings. Then, they said Dingy Harry was blocking their efforts, and they needed the Senate. We gave them the Senate. Still, zero action from the Pubbies.
Boehner was confirmed Speaker, again, and off we go back into appeasement land. We screamed until he left, and we got Ryan. Now, he's the same old tired politician, Boehner was.
So, now they want us to give them the White House. In the meantime, Trey Gowdy, supposed pitbull of the party, gets zero done on Benghazi. Comes out in support of Rubio. Getting the pattern, here? So, we buck. Not just us white over 60 angry Christians, but Dems, Libertarians, black, white, Latino, Christians and Atheists, screaming for a fighter, and someone we can see will hold Washington accountable.
Now, those who support Cruz, Rubio, Christie or Bush are still blinded by ideology. That, or they are just in Denial. What they fail to realize, as do some here, this election is not about policy. It isn't about conservatism. It isn't about party, or the economy.
It is all about someone who'll give the finger, to Washington politicians. It is about sticking our thumbs, in the RNC's eyes. It is time to clean house. Republican't politicians are just as complicit in America's Demise as Dems are.
We are tired of the philosophy of the RNC.
They try to coddle the Black Community, hoping to garner votes for healthcare and entitlements, of those who will never vote for them in any numbers.
They try to appease the immigrant community, with amnesty, hoping to gain votes from people who will never vote for them in any numbers.
They try to court the gay community, hoping to win their support with redefinition of marriage, from those who will never vote for them in numbers.
They try to influence the women, with abortion on demand to get their votes, from those who will never vote for them in any numbers.
All the while, they tell us evil conservative Christians we are too bigoted to include. they turn their backs on us and insult the Tea Party people.
So, I suggest everyone take a look. This isn't your Grandfather's Party, any more. Dem-Lites, is the best way to describe the party.
So, when you say Trump isn't a Conservative, we say, "So What?" Neither is the Republican't Party. But he is a Pitbull. He will fight. And if not, are we really any worse off? The Republicans will put on a convincing show, and then meet their Democrat counterparts for dinner and drinks. RINOs.
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So, when you say Trump isn't a Conservative, we say, "So What?" Neither is the Republican't Party. But he is a Pitbull. He will fight. And if not, are we really any worse off? The Republicans will put on a convincing show, and then meet their Democrat counterparts for dinner and drinks. RINOs.
Very well said. If Cruz gets the nomination and wins the Presidency, I hope he is not all talk and no show. Have been disappointed many times by these so called panty waisted conservatives.
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Very well said. If Cruz gets the nomination and wins the Presidency, I hope he is not all talk and no show. Have been disappointed many times by these so called panty waisted conservatives.
I totally agree. Cruz is my second choice, but the fact that he accepts money from certain people, leads me to believe that once in office, he'll do like Paul Ryan and go along to get along. Even Trey Gowdy endorsed an establishment hack.
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I totally agree. Cruz is my second choice, but the fact that he accepts money from certain people, leads me to believe that once in office, he'll do like Paul Ryan and go along to get along. Even Trey Gowdy endorsed an establishment hack.
Who are these "certain people"?
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Who are these "certain people"?
Wall Street/Goldman Sachs (most likely, though tiny can certainly speak for himself).
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Wall Street/Goldman Sachs (most likely, though tiny can certainly speak for himself).
Banks, big Pharma and lest not forget lobbyist along with a swarm of blood seeking lawyers. Good luck with trying to pass legislation to reduce the power of these sue crazies.
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I am wary of politicians period, regardless of political parties.
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Sarah said she thought the current Representatives and Senators running should stick to doing the job they were elected to do.
Not sure why so many of them always seem to think a few years up in DC qualifies them to try ladder climbing. Particularly when they bring only more government resume fillers as their recommendation. Something I doubt the Founders intended. We have moved a far way from the Washington, Adams, and Jefferson examples of service as a temporary hiatus from private life. Government service was viewed as the duty and privilege of otherwise independently successful private citizens who desired the welfare of the nation and their fellow citizens.
And yeah, many of them had no need for salaries and perks.
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Then why do you support a candidate who is behind using the EPA to increase ethanol subsidies and the amount of ethanol in our gasoline.
Again. That is a lie.
Why do you follow him so blindly?
Because I no longer trust politicians to do what they say especially Harvard lawyers. Plus, following any politician is a figment of your imagination.
Trump qualities include being a fighter, a leader and a winner.
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There is some merit to us fighting over closely held opinions.
Something good can come of it.
I just hope it does lead to unity in the final analysis before the voting for our next president starts.
We can't let best become the enemy of better.
Any republican nominee is better than all the dems at least for this cycle.
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Banks, big Pharma and lest not forget lobbyist along with a swarm of blood seeking lawyers. Good luck with trying to pass legislation to reduce the power of these sue crazies.
And you have zero proof of any of that. It's all tinfoil bullshit.
You're really ****ing delusional if you think Trump is going to reduce the size of government.
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Because I no longer trust politicians to do what they say especially Harvard lawyers. Plus, following any politician is a figment of your imagination.
But blind hero worship of a modern day Robber Baron is perfectly fine right?
Trump qualities include being a fighter, a leader and a winner.
How does that qualify him for President exactly?
Oh and you posed the question yesterday in relation to Trump...something about not ever having a successful businessman become PResident or something like that.
We've had one before.
Herbert Hoover. Successful businessman self made never held elected office until he became President.
He jacked up tariffs like Trump wants to do...started a trade war with other countries to the point where France refused to import anything made in the USA.
He's the reason FDR came to power.
Those that don't learn from history....
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So, when you say Trump isn't a Conservative, we say, "So What?" Neither is the Republican't Party. But he is a Pitbull. He will fight. And if not, are we really any worse off? The Republicans will put on a convincing show, and then meet their Democrat counterparts for dinner and drinks. RINOs.
And Donald Trump will be tending bar.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAHKGP10yc[/youtube]
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Palin decided to align herself with one of the biggest RINO's in Washington; John McCain. Now she is aligning herself with yet another liberal; Trump. He has promised her a place in his cabinet should he get the nomination. The way I see it, her conservative principles can be bought.
I am glad that she didn't endorse Cruz; her popularity has diminished significantly and I think she is more of a hindrance than an asset. I found it interesting during her endorsement speech to Trump that he stood there waiting for Palin to deliver and get the crowd excited. The crowd was less than receptive and he noticed it too. ...and then there is her shrieking ...
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Palin decided to align herself with one of the biggest RINO's in Washington; John McCain. Now she is aligning herself with yet another liberal; Trump. He has promised her a place in his cabinet should he get the nomination. The way I see it, her conservative principles can be bought.
I am glad that she didn't endorse Cruz; her popularity has diminished significantly and I think she is more of a hindrance than an asset. I found it interesting during her endorsement speech to Trump that he stood there waiting for Palin to deliver and get the crowd excited. The crowd was less than receptive and he noticed it too. ...and then there is her shrieking ...
Trump stated that there are several Rep. candidates that he would consider including Cruz in his administration if he got the nomination. So, let not be spreading B.S.
If you think that Cruz would not have been thrilled with her endorsement, you would be crazier than Dr. Nutz. or on drugs.
I do agree her shrieking is irritating.
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If Trump is this big anti establishment guy...if as some say he's what the Republicans need to beat Hillary...
Why is Sen. Orrin Hatch endorsing him?
Why is Bob Dole supporting him?
Why did Trump donate $60,000 to the McConnell campaign in 2014...$700,000 to the Clinton Foundation...the Harry Reid campaign and to the Rahm Emmanuel campaign?
He's talking about deal making with the very people that you would think that someone who claims to be "anti establishment" wouldn't want to go near?
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Hey gang! It's been a while. I wanted to add a couple things:
1. Trump is not my first choice, but I'd vote for almost anyone (Not Bush) in this election.
2. Palin owes the Republican party NOTHING. They, especially McCain's toadies, helped rake her over the coals.
3. I see Trump as superior to Cruz for one reason. Both say "screw the establishment," which is fine. But Cruz will NEVER work with anyone to get stuff done. I say screw the establishment, then get them to do what you want them to do. Maybe--MAYBE--Trump can do that.
4. The GOP despises conservatives, especially social conservatives. We all know this.
5. The only truly rock-ribbed conservative ever nominated by the GOP was Goldwater, and he was torpedoed by the GOP. Reagan was another, but even he had to take Bush as a running mate rather than Kemp. Sometimes, I imagine what 8 years of Reagan/Kemp would have looked like. But the GOP hated Reagan as well.
6. The Republican party still has a tin ear when it comes to its voters. That's dangerous.
Anyway, there's my two cents.
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Hey gang! It's been a while. I wanted to add a couple things:
1. Trump is not my first choice, but I'd vote for almost anyone (Not Bush) in this election.
2. Palin owes the Republican party NOTHING. They, especially McCain's toadies, helped rake her over the coals.
3. I see Trump as superior to Cruz for one reason. Both say "screw the establishment," which is fine. But Cruz will NEVER work with anyone to get stuff done. I say screw the establishment, then get them to do what you want them to do. Maybe--MAYBE--Trump can do that.
4. The GOP despises conservatives, especially social conservatives. We all know this.
5. The only truly rock-ribbed conservative ever nominated by the GOP was Goldwater, and he was torpedoed by the GOP. Reagan was another, but even he had to take Bush as a running mate rather than Kemp. Sometimes, I imagine what 8 years of Reagan/Kemp would have looked like. But the GOP hated Reagan as well.
6. The Republican party still has a tin ear when it comes to its voters. That's dangerous.
Anyway, there's my two cents.
Welcome back!
Agree with 99% of what you said. H5.
The 1% I take umbrage with is
But Cruz will NEVER work with anyone to get stuff done.
That's not his job. And in the senate it's not Cruz that doesn't want to work with anyone...they don't want to work with him beacause he doesn't play the establishment game.
As President tiwon't be his job to play nice or get along with everyone. He'll be the leader of the Republican Party...he'll be the PResident...it's Congreess' job to pass and implement HIS agenda...not the other way around.
Reagan had to fight with members of his own party. It wasn't just the Dems he pissed off for 8 years. But he got his agenda implemented for the most part and the country was better for it.
There is more and more evidence that Trump IS the establishment. He's even bragging about establishment types wanting to join his campaign and how he can "make deals".
Other than those two things you're spot on with how you see the current state of the GOP.
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TX, you very well may be right. but remember, up until 2 weeks ago, the establishment, especially many of the big GOP donors, were talking about supporting a third party run, or even Hillary, over Trump. That tells me that Trump is not totally wrong.
Again. My job is not to defend Trump. He's not my guy in the primaries. I just wish Cruz had a few more miles on him. I'd LOVE him for Senate Majority Leader.
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TX, you very well may be right. but remember, up until 2 weeks ago, the establishment, especially many of the big GOP donors, were talking about supporting a third party run, or even Hillary, over Trump. That tells me that Trump is not totally wrong.
Again. My job is not to defend Trump. He's not my guy in the primaries. I just wish Cruz had a few more miles on him. I'd LOVE him for Senate Majority Leader.
The GOPe's sudden reversal on Trump makes me wonder if they found some dirt on him that they think they might use to control him if he's elected. OTOH, they may have realized that he is saying a populist line and will revert to his old liberal beliefs when he gets power.
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He's talking about deal making with the very people that you would think that someone who claims to be "anti establishment" wouldn't want to go near?
Newt was a great deal maker with the Contract with America. No one in my lifetime has come close. Therefore, if you are throwing bombs like a President Cruz nothing will get done in Congress. It will be a repeat of what we have now.
Most of what Cruz stands for I agree with; I just do not think he would be able to work with Congress because he is not well liked nor does he want to negotiate.
FYI, all large corporations spread their donations to both political parties. It is called the cost of doing business. Just ask those Repub. GM & Chrysler dealers during the GM bankruptcy where they were forced out of business because of their political affiliation.
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Many issues should not be negotiated, conceded or even tolerated.
Compromise never really solves anything, it just delays the real confrontation.
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Many issues should not be negotiated, conceded or even tolerated.
Compromise never really solves anything, it just delays the real confrontation.
The current GOPs in power have just decided to give Obama everything instead of negotiating or holding out for a confrontation.
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The current GOPs in power have just decided to give Obama everything instead of negotiating or holding out for a confrontation.
Concur.
Another Alinsky tactic has been allowed to be used successfully in conjunction with surrendering.
They have allowed deems to browbeat them into surrender with the threat of calling them racist.
Using the divisive tactic of race baiting was actually backfiring for libs and deems because they were overusing it so much as to render the accusation meaningless.
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Newt wasn't a negotiator. He went there and said we have a mandate and this is what we are going to do on behalf of the people that sent us here.
He didn't get Clinton to agree to the compromises he made by wheeling and dealing
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Newt wasn't a negotiator. He went there and said we have a mandate and this is what we are going to do on behalf of the people that sent us here.
He didn't get Clinton to agree to the compromises he made by wheeling and dealing
People forget how Newt Gingrich was able to get a conservative idea into law;
Welfare reform has been a signature issue for Clinton since he was governor of Arkansas, but his failure to push the issue early in his administration meant that he has had to accept a bill largely written on Republican terms.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/welfare/stories/wf080196.htm
Many republicans were upset at Gingrich because Gingrich forced Clinton to "accept Conservative values".
How many republicans can we say that about ?
I fear Trump is another Dole.
When Sen. Bob Dole steered tax hikes through ConÂgress inÂ1982, GinÂgrich called him the “tax-colÂlectÂor of the welÂfare state.â€
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Newt wasn't a negotiator. He went there and said we have a mandate and this is what we are going to do on behalf of the people that sent us here.
You can call Newt what you want but he got things done unlike the pathetic Repub. conservatives who were elected the last few years. Repubs and conservatives can blame themselves for the rise in Trump's popularity. Voters are disgusted with Congress critters and career politicians.
I think Trump will become President and if he does not perform/make America better, I will be the first to kick him to the curb. BTW, if Trump is elected, don't you think he will claim that he has a mandate??????????????????
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Trump stated that there are several Rep. candidates that he would consider including Cruz in his administration if he got the nomination. So, let not be spreading B.S.
If you think that Cruz would not have been thrilled with her endorsement, you would be crazier than Dr. Nutz. or on drugs.
I do agree her shrieking is irritating.
Spreading B.S.?? Trump's words about Palin (see link below) not mine. By the way, who made you the almighty one and how did you come up with that charming statement?? At one point in time Trump said he would consider Cruz as his VP --- I have never said otherwise. As for Palin and back to the subject -- her popularity has waned and her personal family life is still a mess (her son was arrested right before she was to endorse Trump). Nope, not on drugs. I don't see that Palin has a the same draw anymore considering that FOX wound up having to cancel her program and you are welcome to make your assumptions as to whether or not Cruz would have liked Palin's endorsement. Her endorsement to Trump I feel was a slap in the face to conservatives and TEA. I see it as she compromised her conservative principles (again) for personal gain...just like she did when she aligned herself with RINO McCain.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-2016-sarah-palin-cabinet-post-120747
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Spreading B.S.?? Trump's words about Palin (see link below) not mine. By the way, who made you the almighty one and how did you come up with that charming statement?? At one point in time Trump said he would consider Cruz as his VP --- I have never said otherwise. As for Palin and back to the subject -- her popularity has waned and her personal family life is still a mess (her son was arrested right before she was to endorse Trump). Nope, not on drugs. I don't see that Palin has a the same draw anymore considering that FOX wound up having to cancel her program and you are welcome to make your assumptions as to whether or not Cruz would have liked Palin's endorsement. Her endorsement to Trump I feel was a slap in the face to conservatives and TEA. I see it as she compromised her conservative principles (again) for personal gain...just like she did when she aligned herself with RINO McCain.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-2016-sarah-palin-cabinet-post-120747
You would be singing her praises if she had endorsed Cruz and that is a FACT. The rest of the candidates felt the same way. The rest of your post is just babbling.
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You would be singing her praises if she had endorsed Cruz and that is a FACT. The rest of the candidates felt the same way. The rest of your post is just babbling.
Sigh. Speaking of babbling, now you're doing exactly what you're accusing libertybele of doing. She said nothing of the kind.
lacarnut, you're just spewing more of your "worship trump" bullshit. Gawd, get a grip.
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Sigh. Speaking of babbling, now you're doing exactly what you're accusing libertybele of doing. She said nothing of the kind.
lacarnut, you're just spewing more of your "worship trump" bullshit. Gawd, get a grip.
Wrong. I worship no man. However, it does appear that some Cruz supporters have tunnel vision or just can not handle the truth. Cruz was courting Palin to endorse him. Plain and simple. Don't take my word for it; google it.
I have stated many, many, many, many, times that Cruz is my second choice and I would gladly vote for him. You are the one that needs to get a grip.
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Very well said. If Cruz gets the nomination and wins the Presidency, I hope he is not all talk and no show. Have been disappointed many times by these so called panty waisted conservatives.
I don't even know where to begin with your comment ... I hope he's not all talk and no show. Please give me one example of what Trump has actually done rather than what he has said. I have outlined very briefly a comparison of Cruz and Trump on a couple of issues -- if you will note -- Cruz actually has a record of doing something -- Trump has no record and you can only go by what he says. Heck of a difference. I'll take Cruz; he has walked the walk. Trump is very good at selling what some are willing to buy.
On the 2nd Amendment - Cruz is endorsed by Gun Owners of America and has an A+ rating from the NRA. In the Senate he voted "NO" on banning high capacity magazines. As Solicitor General he authored a brief on behalf of 31 states supporting the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms and was honored by the NRA thanking Ted for leading the States before the Supreme Court in the Heller v. DC gun case.
On the 2nd Amendment - Trump believes that the Democrats’ approach to confiscate all guns will leave criminals as the only ones with weapons, but believes Republicans need to be more flexible on reforms. “Democrats want to confiscate all guns, which is a dumb idea because only the law-abiding citizens would turn in their guns and the bad guys would be the only ones left armed. The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions. I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.
On Planned Parenthood - Cruz voted to defund
On Planned Parenthood - Trump had voiced his opinion that he would continue funding; except for the abortion part which only amounts to be 3% (really?)
On Immigration - Cruz - in 2013 voted to require US Visit system to be established at every port of entry. In 2013, voted for completion of the fence along the Mex/US border. He was a co-sponsor of a bill to stop Sanctuary Cities and Protect Americans Act.
On Immigration - Trump - based on what he says - Before his presidential campaign, in 2013, Trump hosted a gathering of Dreamers at Trump Tower. He told them, they convinced him of the need to amnesty children of illegal immigrants to become citizens. He also reportedly admitted to hiring illegal immigrants to work on his golf courses. (NBC Latino). He also stated that the United States must be ready to accept some Syrian Refugees, even though some of them may be militants or radicalized. He said this even though the U.S. takes in more refugees than any other country already. (CNN)
http://onenewsnow.com/perspectives/bryan-fischer/2015/08/12/trump-supports-funding-planned-parenthood
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/135705/ted-cruz/40/immigration#.VqLlaFI-J2A
http://www.lifenews.com/2015/12/04/presidential-candidates-marco-rubio-and-ted-cruz-vote-to-de-fund-planned-parenthood/https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-presidential-candidates/candidates/donald-trump#article-11
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Wrong. I worship no man. However, it does appear that some Cruz supporters have tunnel vision or just can not handle the truth. Cruz was courting Palin to endorse him. Plain and simple. Don't take my word for it; google it.
I have stated many, many, many, many, times that Cruz is my second choice and I would gladly vote for him. You are the one that needs to get a grip.
How many times have I heard you yodel, "President Trump?" You worship him, his ideas, his BS, his ego. Now, if cooler heads prevail and Trump doesn't get the nomination, you've retreated behind the "yeah, okay, Cruz" and do it grudgingly.
Anybody selecting a candidate at this point has done one of two things:
1. Perused the issues and what the candidate has said about them, over time.
2. Become so blinded by the populism and appeal (hey, let's face it -- it simply FEELS GOOD just to say shit that's really outrageous, just because you can) that regardless of the issues, the emotions direct the choice.
Have you heard what Trump has said? About 2A? About abortion? About the substantive issues that confront us, not just immigration?
Trump is a populist. He has no substance, no plan, no ideas of his own. He's riding the rails of discontent and pisstivity in this country -- those who are mightily pissed off at the general condition of things (yeah, I'm pissed off too) and are willing to throw in their lot with a Washington outsider -- except that he (Trump) really isn't, as he's bought influence over the years.
I call that just about as disingenuous as you can get.
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Trump is a populist. He has no substance, no plan, no ideas of his own. He's riding the rails of discontent and pisstivity in this country -- those who are mightily pissed off at the general condition of things (yeah, I'm pissed off too) and are willing to throw in their lot with a Washington outsider -- except that he (Trump) really isn't, as he's bought influence over the years.
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Who said Cruz has too many negatives to get elected ? :whistling:
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read-gop-establishment-s-risky-bet-trump-n501076
Trump's overall positive/negative score: 29% positive, 58% negative (-29)
•Among African Americans: 9% positive, 81% negative (-72)
•Among Latinos: 22% positive, 69% negative (-47)
•Among women: 26% positive, 62% negative (-36)
•Among independents: 26% positive, 52% negative (-26)
•Among suburban voters: 31% positive, 55% negative (-24)
Cruz's overall positive/negative score: 31% positive, 35% negative (-4)
•Among African Americans: 19%-39% (-20)
•Among Latinos: 23%-34% (-11)
•Among Women: 31%-32% (-1)
•Among independents: 19%-41% (-22)
•Among suburban voters: 30%-34% (-4)
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How many times have I heard you yodel, "President Trump?" You worship him, his ideas, his BS, his ego. Now, if cooler heads prevail and Trump doesn't get the nomination, you've retreated behind the "yeah, okay, Cruz" and do it grudgingly.
Anybody selecting a candidate at this point has done one of two things:
1. Perused the issues and what the candidate has said about them, over time.
2. Become so blinded by the populism and appeal (hey, let's face it -- it simply FEELS GOOD just to say shit that's really outrageous, just because you can) that regardless of the issues, the emotions direct the choice.
Have you heard what Trump has said? About 2A? About abortion? About the substantive issues that confront us, not just immigration?
Trump is a populist. He has no substance, no plan, no ideas of his own. He's riding the rails of discontent and pisstivity in this country -- those who are mightily pissed off at the general condition of things (yeah, I'm pissed off too) and are willing to throw in their lot with a Washington outsider -- except that he (Trump) really isn't, as he's bought influence over the years.
I call that just about as disingenuous as you can get.
I get a kick out of some the Cruz supporters. I do not remember criticizing Curz. because I like him. Plus, I am not going to dig up things that someone said years and years ago. Trump has changed his opinion like many other people on different issues.
It is you that is a cultist and worshiper.
Have a good Pm.... I am going to watch some football which makes much more sense than your posts..
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You can call Newt what you want but he got things done unlike the pathetic Repub. conservatives who were elected the last few years.
No argument there. They lied to us to get where they are. They need to be held accountable.
Repubs and conservatives can blame themselves for the rise in Trump's popularity. Voters are disgusted with Congress critters and career politicians.
Not Conservatives...the Establishment GOP types and the RINO's and an out of control Democrat President have given us Trump.
The McConnell and Boehner/Ryan types HATE Conservatives. And it's not a new thing either. They did there level best to defeat Reagan in the primaries too.
I think Trump will become President and if he does not perform/make America better, I will be the first to kick him to the curb. BTW, if Trump is elected, don't you think he will claim that he has a mandate??????????????????
Anyone can claim by simply winning an election they have a mandate. Victory margin and number of voters who turn out tells whether it's a mandate or just a win.
Remember...Clinton never got a majority of the popular vote...but still claimed he had a mandate.
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I get a kick out of some the Cruz supporters. I do not remember criticizing Curz. because I like him. Plus, I am not going to dig up things that someone said years and years ago. Trump has changed his opinion like many other people on different issues.
It is you that is a cultist and worshiper.
Have a good Pm.... I am going to watch some football which makes much more sense than your posts..
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The truth hurts, doesn't it?
You know who else has "evolved" in his thinking? Barry. Think about it -- you're equating Trump with Barry, which is pretty close to the truth.
How would you rate the pain from one to ten?
:lmao:
(Thanks for making my point for me.)
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Who are these "certain people"?
Sorry it took so long to respond, but I only post when I have down time at work. Lately, not much time.
Hedge fund manager Robert Mercer and his family, for one. He is the largest single donor this cycle. The lTexas natural gas billionaires Farris and Dan Wilks, and private-equity partner Toby Neugebauer, round out his top donors. They honed their plan to help Cruz even before he announced his presidential bid in March.
Though he often likes to brag that he’s raised more “hard money†through his actual campaign than anyone else in the race, Cruz enjoys the support of four wealthy super PACs that together have raised approximately $38 million. Nearly all of that money came from these three families.
Both Cruz and Mercer declined to speak with reporters about this story.
So, while you sit here chastizing and castigating us for our support of Trump, give birth to this thought. WHY would four billionaires put millions in Cruz's campaign? You think they expect no return on their money? Heck, it is said that Mercers house staff gets docked money if shampoo bottles are not replaced, when they have less than a third of the product left, and docked for leaving doors open. A man that frugal, does not spend 38 million, for nothing.
And, in closing, I'd rather support a man who is smart enough to have gotten the equivalent of 1.5 billion in free advertising, than someone in the pocket of 4 billionaires, who cannot garner the support of the majority of his Christian Brothers.
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Sorry it took so long to respond, but I only post when I have down time at work. Lately, not much time.
Hedge fund manager Robert Mercer and his family, for one. He is the largest single donor this cycle. The lTexas natural gas billionaires Farris and Dan Wilks, and private-equity partner Toby Neugebauer, round out his top donors. They honed their plan to help Cruz even before he announced his presidential bid in March.
Though he often likes to brag that he’s raised more “hard money†through his actual campaign than anyone else in the race, Cruz enjoys the support of four wealthy super PACs that together have raised approximately $38 million. Nearly all of that money came from these three families.
Both Cruz and Mercer declined to speak with reporters about this story.
So, while you sit here chastizing and castigating us for our support of Trump, give birth to this thought. WHY would four billionaires put millions in Cruz's campaign? You think they expect no return on their money? Heck, it is said that Mercers house staff gets docked money if shampoo bottles are not replaced, when they have less than a third of the product left, and docked for leaving doors open. A man that frugal, does not spend 38 million, for nothing.
And, in closing, I'd rather support a man who is smart enough to have gotten the equivalent of 1.5 billion in free advertising, than someone in the pocket of 4 billionaires, who cannot garner the support of the majority of his Christian Brothers.
Where is any link to any story that backs up this fary tale?
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Concur.
Another Alinsky tactic has been allowed to be used successfully in conjunction with surrendering.
They have allowed deems to browbeat them into surrender with the threat of calling them racist.
Using the divisive tactic of race baiting was actually backfiring for libs and deems because they were overusing it so much as to render the accusation meaningless.
Sorry for quoting myself, but for some reason when I meant to type "dems"... "deems" replaced it.
Please substitute dems for deems!