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TheMastersNemesis (5,262 posts)
What Will It Take For GOPPERS To Admit Climate Warming?
The weather really is more extreme than it ever used to be. Storms either rain or snow or tornadoes are more intense than they ever were. It should be obvious that something is amiss. And what is happening is world wide.
Probably never.
TheMastersNemesis (5,262 posts)
43. I Think "Climate Change" Is A Cop Out.
The term "Climate Change" is a cop out as far as I am concerned and here is why I believe that. It is a "politically correct" term that masks the real fact that the climate is actually warming. Even with warming there will be cold spots and winter storms. Even in a warming scenario winter storms will be more severe and snow amounts will be huge. At the same time where it is above freezing rain will fall and will come in copious amounts. Warmer air holds much more water than colder air.
Take the "Goliath" we have right now. The boundaries between large amounts of snow are thinly divided where large amounts of rain are falling. I am seeing a lot of rain where there is usually snow in the past. And temperature differentials are larger and that fact make tornadoes much larger and long lasting. Tornadoes above F2 being on the ground for as long as they have been seem really unusual to me. One or two mile wide tornadoes are a new phenomenon as far as I am concerned.
I watched a Weather channel special on the Washington, Illinois and Henry, Indiana tornadoes. Henry took a double hit is a very short time. The Washington tornadoes we particularly violent. I will be 72 and do not remember tornado activity like we have now when I was in grade school.
As a matter of fact tornadoes were done with by June for the most part. Never ever remember being scared of tornadoes in the winter. Now we have them at times that never happened before.
During the Permian period scientists now believe that "global warming" was the cause of that extinction. It was natural caused but very devastating to life then.
Finally eventually cold spells could end and it could become warm everywhere. No on e knows for sure the outcome if we continue on this path. Predictions on change are long range but an "atmospheric" flip is possible.
"Climate change" is a euphemism to make our predicament look a lot less threatening as far as I am concerned. I see it as a "cop out" to the deniers.
Wounded Bear (7,153 posts)
3. You'd think tornadoes in late December might clue them...
in that something is going whooey with the climate.
Weather isn't climate until it is.
Binkie The Clown (1,385 posts)
4. Just like when they admit anything that becomes too self-evident to deny anymore.
They will re-write history.
They will wake up one morning and deny that they ever doubted it.
"Of course climate change is real. We never doubted it for a minute."
Rosco T. (6,155 posts)
5. For them to be able to make a profit from it.....
You mean like the billions the government pays its climate change cronies each year?
busterbrown (4,910 posts)
6. It’s a win win situation for them..
As soon as climate change becomes too obvious like a 95 degree day in Boston...
Their response will be “Lord Jesus is Telling us its timeâ€
Hold that thought. I'd like to revisit the idea of climate and religion in just a moment.
uriel1972 (1,987 posts)
7. I am reminded of a scene in 'Eric the Viking'
When the island is sinking. The people refuse to evacuate, because the King says it's not happening, because "It's never happened before."
If you truly accepted genuine climate science you'd acknowledge that climate change is constant.
raouldukelives (4,837 posts)
8. It really doesn't matter what they say, it matters what they are paid to say.
And lots of folks out there make sure they are paid, very well, to say them. And those people are of every political stripe, save one, Democrats.
That very act, the financing and subverting of reality, precludes one from bearing the moniker of being a believer in democracy.
Not that it stops them from wearing it, they know no shame. As we see on display, daily, in so many ways.
Democrats: The self-selected, all-knowing bearers of moral virtue.
dembotoz (8,406 posts)
9. not until a MAJOR us city goes underwater due to ocean rise
lets say Miami goes glug glug and the insurance companies sob in terror and demand a bailout.
pacific islands? no
drought ? no
heat? no
other extreme weather ? no
we hold dearly to our delusions
Vinca (25,789 posts)
13. You're exactly right.
When big insurance says it's climate change, the GOP will say it's climate change. If they don't they lose their millions of dollars in campaign donations. People have no power in this country. Money does.
madville (3,242 posts)
10. What if climate change equals out to
A net gain or neutral consequences overall?
It's 60 degrees here for instance so I'm not running my heat, less fuel emissions. Less car fatalities and economic losses due to less snow and ice. More construction and and insurance adjuster jobs due to increased property damage by non-typical weather events like tornadoes.
Sorry, I'm in a glass half-full kind of mood today
HERESY!
tabasco (20,992 posts)
18. If you consider billions of people starving due to crop loss a neutral consequence ....
it's all good!
madville (3,242 posts)
20. Or growing seasons could be longer with higher yields
And hundreds of millions of jobs created relocating existing coastal crops and housing to new locations along the new coast line.
Kelvin Mace (14,980 posts)
35. And relocating all those people
will require massive construction which will require burning even more oil/coal to accomplish. This does not end well. Your glass is not half full, your glass is shattered and you have eat the glass.
meow2u3 (17,669 posts)
12. When melanoma becomes epidemic among white people
and they all start dropping like flies. I hate to sound racial, but it's a biological fact that white people cannot handle intense sunlight because they don't have enough melanin to protect them against the extra UV rays from a warming climate.
Is there any debate that Proglodytes are the most race-obsessed assholes in the world?
PowerToThePeople (7,960 posts)
17. when the earth looks like this?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Sun_in_February.jpg/290px-Sun_in_February.jpg)
If the earth becomes a star there are forces at work far more powerful than anything humanity might conjure.
Idiots
randome (27,160 posts)
19. I still think it's a mistake to argue over the cause of climate change.
It's changing and not for the better, and it shouldn't matter whether it's caused by humans or not. The question becomes what are we going to do about it.
The science-illiterate manage to defuse the entire topic when they blithely state that we can't prove humans are causing climate change.
That shouldn't even be the subject. The subject should be what can we do about it?
He calls us science-illiterate but his entire post is based on a confession of not knowing what causes climate change while simultaneously demanding humanity do something about it.
daleo (21,066 posts)
23. But if you don't admit the human causality
Then you can't make much of a case for changing human behaviour (i.e. reducing fossil fuel use to slow the build-up of CO2).
randome (27,160 posts)
26. Sure you can. Say the Earth is warming from natural causes.
We can still make things better by cutting down on CO2 build-up. Just like we don't argue about what causes a tornado to devastate a town, we simply rebuild the town and make it more resistant to being devastated again.
The Earth is warming. Cutting down on CO2 production will help alleviate that. So long as the GOP can say "You can't prove that!" in regard to the cause, they will always be able to put off doing anything at all
This is where we revisit the issue of religion.
The arrogance it takes to assume that humanity can adjust global temperatures with the same act of will as one might adjust the AC of their home is staggering.
Humans can pretend they reject God but they can never reject the notion of deity. They are far too attached to it being born of God. So, when they reject God they set themselves up as their own gods.
This was the sin in the garden.
They will be taught just how foolish they are (and God won't even have to lift a finger) though I doubt the lesson will take hold.
CTyankee (47,574 posts)
36. fine, but the problem with that is that if it is happening, they will argue it is somehow God's will
and he will fix it if he sees fit. I have also heard them say "well, the climate is always changing and that is God's will." There is a danger in their comfortable complacency with the Almighty...
randome (27,160 posts)
39. I see your point but the counterpoint should be that God clearly wants us to help ourselves.
You know, with science-y things like medicine and hygiene and such. Growing crops depends on science so keeping crops healthy from climate change should be right up there on the list of things to attend to, as well.
It's true that none of this may make a difference but I don't see that any progress can be made on arguing about a cause that can never be proved to their satisfaction, much as lung cancer can never be proved to be a result of cancer.
jwirr (35,784 posts)
40. They are blaming God for what man does. We have free will
- mankind has chosen its own path and Christianity has basically followed right along. As long as they continue to blame everything on God then they will not be taking the blame for their own actions
liberalfromaustin21 (1 post)
24. Probably never at this point
Unless, of course, their entire city becomes flooded due to the rising oceans, and God himself tells them personally that this was caused by global warming. But I bet they'll just call God a heathen...
Kelvin Mace (14,980 posts)
34. "Enhanced" instruction
using a sock full of quarters.
Try it and your life won't be worth a plug nickel.
jwirr (35,784 posts)
38. I think most of the deniers are prosperity church members.
They absolutely think that God would never let that happen. They are seriously misinterpreting the Bible but their whole political ideas are based on their error in interpretation.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027477029
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**** it. If winters are warmer and summers are slightly cooler, then it's all good. DUmmies are afraid that the arid regions where a lot of brown and black people live might return to being fertile areas of rainfall.
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If a major city in the United States were to go underwater it would be a lib hellhole and I would dance. :fuelfire:
dembotoz (8,406 posts) 9. not until a MAJOR us city goes underwater due to ocean rise
lets say Miami goes glug glug and the insurance companies sob in terror and demand a bailout.
pacific islands? no
drought ? no
heat? no
other extreme weather ? no
we hold dearly to our delusions
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I'm sure China, India and Russia, will immediately jump on the carbon cedit bandwagon. :whatever:
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We have a long way to go before the Ohio river valley becomes a shallow ocean again or the English channel can be walked across. They can never establish what "normal" is
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TheMastersNemesis (5,262 posts)
What Will It Take For GOPPERS To Admit Climate Warming?
The weather really is more extreme than it ever used to be. Storms either rain or snow or tornadoes are more intense than they ever were. It should be obvious that something is amiss. And what is happening is world wide.
Probably never.
I'm not sure how TMN has managed to live however many decades without noticing it, but this year's weather is no less "extreme" than in the mid 1960s, or the mid 1930s, or ... . One winter in the mid 1960s there was so much snow in eastern Arizona that food and medical supplies had to be brought in to one of the Indian reservations by helicopter. And while I'm at it, where are all the hurricanes predicted after Katrina? The last 10 years' hurricane seasons have be tamer than tame, comparatively speaking.
But I have a perfect hot weather solution. hold a global warming conference in the hot location and invite AlGore to speak (with a large speaker's fee, of course).
ETA: speaking of AlGore, does he still have that condo in SF, a city sure to be submerged by global warming?
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The weather really is more extreme than it ever used to be.
Not it's not.
Storms either rain or snow or tornadoes are more intense than they ever were.
No they're not.
It should be obvious that something is amiss.
No it isn't.
And what is happening is world wide.
No it isn't.
Talking points are NOT facts.
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Climate and climate patterns are phenomena spanning millennia. Humans have, MAYBE, 100-150 years of data for a possibly significant part of the Earth; in reality, humans may have as little as 50 years of data. How in Hades do "scientists" make projections about a millennia-spanning set of phenomena based on a mere 50, 100, or 150 years of data?!
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Storms either rain or snow
They either rain or snow?! What is this??? :panic:
or tornadoes are more intense than they ever were. It should be obvious that something is amiss.
Let me guess, this totally unfounded statement went unchallenged in the thread?
I don't suppose this has to do with the recent outbreak, does it? Tornadoes have been documented on every calendar day and in every U.S. state, so you'll forgive me if I don't think it's so obvious that something is amiss.`
(Yes, I'm aware that he said "more intense"; I still tend to think that his comment was at least prompted by the outbreak in Texas).
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Climate and climate patterns are phenomena spanning millennia. Humans have, MAYBE, 100-150 years of data for a possibly significant part of the Earth; in reality, humans may have as little as 50 years of data. How in Hades do "scientists" make projections about a millennia-spanning set of phenomena based on a mere 50, 100, or 150 years of data?!
Guessing, based in hubris.
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MN must be a lot older than I thought in order for him to know what is normal weather and what isn't.
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We have a long way to go before the Ohio river valley becomes a shallow ocean again or the English channel can be walked across. They can never establish what "normal" is
Exactly. When the DUmbasses can tell me what is the normal temperature of the earth is supposed to be, I'll believe the climate is warming above normal. Also, to any DUmbasses that may be lurking. What if the Earth is below its normal temperature and the warming we're currently seeing is bringing it back to where it's supposed to be?
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Guessing, based in hubris.
And greed for government grants.
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I thought that winter and snow would be a thing of the past by now. NYC underwater. The midwest a desert. Dogs and cats living together.
So dummies... what happened?
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All of the DUmmies posting in that glow bull warming DU thread should be forced to read every thread in Conservative Cave glow bull warming board before making any further pronouncements.
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I thought that winter and snow would be a thing of the past by now. NYC underwater. The midwest a desert. Dogs and cats living together.
So dummies... what happened?
Various global warming predictions from the past.
http://rightwingnews.com/john-hawkins/10-global-warming-doomsday-predictions/
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Their latest,greatest hope for worldwide wealth theft died when after the joke of the Paris meeting ended with a back slapping statement but not one dollar somehow gathered.
:tongue: :rotf: :tongue: :rotf:
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I thought that winter and snow would be a thing of the past by now. NYC underwater. The midwest a desert. Dogs and cats living together.
So dummies... what happened?
I might speak for Carl and Karin on this . . .
One can only hope!
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I'm not sure how TMN has managed to live however many decades without noticing it, but this year's weather is no less "extreme" than in the mid 1960s, or the mid 1930s, or ... . One winter in the mid 1960s there was so much snow in eastern Arizona that food and medical supplies had to be brought in to one of the Indian rese
rvations by helicopter. And while I'm at it, where are all the hurricanes predicted after Katrina? The last 10 years' hurricane seasons have be tamer than tame, comparatively speaking.
But I have a perfect hot weather solution. hold a global warming conference in the hot location and invite AlGore to speak (with a large speaker's fee, of course).
ETA: speaking of AlGore, does he still have that condo in SF, a city sure to be submerged by global warming?
(D)Ummies lie. They lie all the time.
randome (27,160 posts)
19. I still think it's a mistake to argue over the cause of climate change.
It's changing and not for the better, and it shouldn't matter whether it's caused by humans or not. The question becomes what are we going to do about it.
Why, TAX EVERYTHING, of course!
(http://media.giphy.com/media/15ksgAyxmIauQ/giphy.gif)
(http://landingstanding.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/10.-Gary-Coleman-look-of-disbelief-shock.gif)
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They either rain or snow?! What is this??? :panic:
Let me guess, this totally unfounded statement went unchallenged in the thread?
An audience of (D)Ummies?
Why, of course....
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Climate and climate patterns are phenomena spanning millennia. Humans have, MAYBE, 100-150 years of data for a possibly significant part of the Earth; in reality, humans may have as little as 50 years of data. How in Hades do "scientists" make projections about a millennia-spanning set of phenomena based on a mere 50, 100, or 150 years of data?!
We believe!!!!!!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CvQSbG6jFcw/UjW2knQ7gTI/AAAAAAAAjr0/UTwxDqMqYI4/s1600/AL+GORE+CHURCH+OF+GLOBAL+WARMING.jpg)
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(http://img.wikinut.com/img/3w7ow0aw0ykvccwv/jpeg/0/Volcanoes-natural-source-of-Carbon-Monoxide.jpeg)
Look (D)Ummies! I'm pumping out more Co2 than mankind has since the Industrial Revolution began.
Cisgender your lifeboats, hurry!!!!!
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And greed for government grants.
When the money dries up climate change will no longer be a major concern.
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(http://img.wikinut.com/img/3w7ow0aw0ykvccwv/jpeg/0/Volcanoes-natural-source-of-Carbon-Monoxide.jpeg)
Look (D)Ummies! I'm pumping out more Co2 than mankind has since the Industrial Revolution began.
Cisgender your lifeboats, hurry!!!!!
I saw about six weeks ago that there is a huge caldera under the shallow caldera at Mt. St. Helens, anywhere from double to triple the size of the Yellowstone caldera. If the Yellowstone Caldera went, it would probably end the United States of America, not to mention cool the planet in one Hell of a hurry, killing billions of people. If the big caldera under Mt. St. Helens went, it could end life on Earth, or at least for six billion people.
DUmmies, sign up over here and enlighten us--how does human activity affect volcanoes? :whistling:
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I saw about six weeks ago that there is a huge caldera under the shallow caldera at Mt. St. Helens, anywhere from double to triple the size of the Yellowstone caldera. If the Yellowstone Caldera went, it would probably end the United States of America, not to mention cool the planet in one Hell of a hurry, killing billions of people. If the big caldera under Mt. St. Helens went, it could end life on Earth, or at least for six billion people.
DUmmies, sign up over here and enlighten us--how does human activity affect volcanoes? :whistling:
Don't you know anything? We used to toss virgins into volcanos. Now, where is Stevenumbers hiding?
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DUmmies, sign up over here and enlighten us--how does human activity affect volcanoes? :whistling:
I hear that the Koch brothers want to start fracking operations at the base of Mt. St. Helens. :rofl:
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And greed for government grants.
They would tell any lie, falsify any data, or reach any predetermined conclusion to keep feeding at the taxpayer's trough.
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Don't you know anything? We used to toss virgins into volcanos. Now, where is Stevenumbers hiding?
What, do you want to anger the volcano goddess Pele? I mean, Stevenumbers is a virgin, but even the gods have standards regarding sacrifices and that DUmbass is well below those standards.
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I saw about six weeks ago that there is a huge caldera under the shallow caldera at Mt. St. Helens, anywhere from double to triple the size of the Yellowstone caldera. If the Yellowstone Caldera went, it would probably end the United States of America, not to mention cool the planet in one Hell of a hurry, killing billions of people. If the big caldera under Mt. St. Helens went, it could end life on Earth, or at least for six billion people.
DUmmies, sign up over here and enlighten us--how does human activity affect volcanoes? :whistling:
Exactly. It's like this S/H/It:
randome (27,160 posts)
19. I still think it's a mistake to argue over the cause of climate change.
It's changing and not for the better, and it shouldn't matter whether it's caused by humans or not. The question becomes what are we going to do about it.
Unless you somehow invent interstellar travel and construct ships to UPS the planet to ......... ???? You can't do shit. You idiots just do not understand. We understand and acknowledge that the CLIMATE HAS BEEN CHANGING SINCE THE PLANET WAS FORMED (by GM, Ford, Chrysler and Exxon). Taxing the populace into 100 sq/ft government concrete cubicles in the nearest Soylent Green Movie Set isn't going to do a damn thing, Lurking Idiots. We won't even go into the fact that now, your high priests are bunching themselves in Gordian Knots trying to explain away the almost 19 year pause and are now talking about Global Cooling. Now, what are you gonna do?
Deep down, in that cavernous space most humans call a brain cavity, you know this. Like Hop-a-long Bob the Ignoramus, you'll never admit it because your religion condemns your very existence and requires penance from Gaia and any minority you happen to bump into, but, hey ...... that tax revenue would sure be wonderful for your Holy Grail, would it not?
:banghead: Ignorant assholes........... :banghead:
Your indoctrination centers are now pumping out waves of functionally illiterate true believers who would gladly round you, the scum that spawned these little greenshirts, up and exterminate you - not mention us - with a smile on their faces. You'll protest in vain, as you try to plead your case to the ovens, while we will be shooting them down in droves.
Nixon should have napalmed you stupid m*******f***ers.
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What, do you want to anger the volcano goddess Pele? I mean, Stevenumbers is a virgin, but even the gods have standards regarding sacrifices and that DUmbass is well below those standards.
I'd like to appease the volcano god but don't want to invest much in it, hence Steve numbers. Kinda like fake 5s in the collection plate
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This latest glow bull warming screed by the DUmmies got me to thinking.
Actually it was remembering at first.
Who remembers last winter and the record snowfall in the Northeast (besides BSS) ?
Some towns such as Boston got over 90 inches of snow.
Then I remembered how some enterprising Northeasterners who used to park their cars on the street had to shovel out parking spaces.
After shoveling them out there were news reports of physical confrontations from moochers who didn't lift a finger to shovel snow, parking in the recently cleared spaces at the first available opportunity.
I would be willing to bet the moochers were typical den voting libs.
I am hoping the shovelers were conservatives, because if they weren't they made a bad example of how everyone should benefit from their efforts.
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This latest glow bull warming screed by the DUmmies got me to thinking.
Actually it was remembering at first.
Who remembers last winter and the record snowfall in the Northeast (besides BSS) ?
Some towns such as Boston got over 90 inches of snow.
Then I remembered how some enterprising Northeasterners who used to park their cars on the street had to shovel out parking spaces.
After shoveling them out there were news reports of physical confrontations from moochers who didn't lift a finger to shovel snow, parking in the recently cleared spaces at the first available opportunity.
I would be willing to bet the moochers were typical den voting libs.
I am hoping the shovelers were conservatives, because if they weren't they made a bad example of how everyone should benefit from their efforts.
Well, Karin was in it, and Carl certainly remembers . . .
I had a field trip scheduled for a village on the Tug Hill plateau the Thursday before the lake effect snow hit, which I had considered putting off for a week. Something told me that I shouldn't do this, and for once, I listened to my intuition and went as scheduled. I was happy I had done this . . . :-)
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This latest glow bull warming screed by the DUmmies got me to thinking.
Actually it was remembering at first.
Who remembers last winter and the record snowfall in the Northeast (besides BSS) ?
Some towns such as Boston got over 90 inches of snow.
Then I remembered how some enterprising Northeasterners who used to park their cars on the street had to shovel out parking spaces.
After shoveling them out there were news reports of physical confrontations from moochers who didn't lift a finger to shovel snow, parking in the recently cleared spaces at the first available opportunity.
I would be willing to bet the moochers were typical dem voting libs.
I am hoping the shovelers were conservatives, because if they weren't they made a bad example of how everyone should benefit from their efforts.
Too late to edit, so I'm quoting...autocorrect switched my "dem" to den, and I didn't catch it on proofread.(and it almost did the same thing again).
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TheMastersNemesis (5,262 posts)
What Will It Take For GOPPERS To Admit Climate Warming?
When they start making accurate predictions that don't occur long after all of us are dead.
Weather guessers can't even accurately predict next week most times much less 50 years from now.
Two examples of what I mean. 1) The MMGW Hoaxers told us that by this time most of Miami would be underwater and that we would be experiencing CAT 5 Hurricanes every other week if we didn't do something about climate change. 2) The very same people who are telling us we were going to drown because of melting polar ice caps said 40 years ago that by this time we'd be up to our neck in snow because of the next ice age.
Guess what lurkers...NONE of the "predictions" have been correct. All of the "experts" have been caught cheating to make their computer generated models work like they want them to.
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24 days to Al Gore’s ’10 years to save the planet’ and ‘point of no return’ planetary emergency deadline
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/01/02/24-days-to-al-gores-10-years-to-save-the-planet-and-point-of-no-return-planetary-emergency-deadline/
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dembotoz (8,406 posts)
9. not until a MAJOR us city goes underwater due to ocean rise
lets say Miami goes glug glug and the insurance companies sob in terror and demand a bailout.
pacific islands? no
drought ? no
heat? no
other extreme weather ? no
we hold dearly to our delusions
I hope they do not do a "...see, I told you so.." if it happens to NOLA, seeing how the city is mostly below sea level to begin with.