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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on December 03, 2015, 06:55:00 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027410252#post88
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:00 PM
LittleBlue (9,023 posts)
The gigantic logic failure of gun confiscating
Gunners are crazy. They're insane! They shoot up abortion clinics and go postal at their workplace.
So what makes you think millions of insane gun fanatics (as they're so often described on DU) will not resist a law enforcement confiscating their guns? Surely you realize that trying to confiscate arms from millions of gun fanatics can only end one way. Our military and police forces are full of true believers in the 2A, too, which complicates things.
If gun owners are such fanatics, what makes you think they won't violently resist giving up their arms? You're looking at thousands of Ruby Ridge and and Cliven Bundy militia scenarios. I don't mean Cliven Bundy with a thousand followers, it will be militias in every state with millions of followers.
So how will you achieve compliance when millions of heavily armed people won't comply? Because that sounds an awful lot like a civil war.
Response to TeddyR (Reply #8)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:11 PM
Abouttime (147 posts)
14. Yes it will happen
All we need is a democratic president and 2 seats on the Supreme Court. Make the penalty for firearm possession mandatory time in prison and debilitating fines up to and including total asset forfeiture, people will line up to turn in their guns. In other words, possess a gun and lose both your freedom and your wealth.
Get rid of the guns and the police won't even need them. It's a win win for everyone and an important step in the evolution of American Society.
Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #22)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:40 PM
LonePirate (2,673 posts)
25. My money is on the LEOs when it comes to a showdown with 75 yo George the Gun Nut
If you gun lovers want to fantasize about going out in a blaze of glory because nothing else matters except your guns, then you deserve the consequences (jail time) of any such confrontations.
Response to LonePirate (Reply #25)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:56 PM
virginia mountainman (4,687 posts)
28. You are pretending again..
What makes you think most LEO's would do that?? Practically ALL, the ones I know are just as pro gun as I am, and would quit if ordered to do sweeping gun confiscations on "regular folk".
Not only that, our local sheriff, is family, and he is more pro gun than I am..
He is on record on this, and handly won reelection..
Pass what you will, it simply will not apply here.
Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #28)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:58 PM
MillennialDem (1,521 posts)
31. If the local PD won't do it, call in the military.
Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #32)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:04 PM
MillennialDem (1,521 posts)
35. Give me a tank and I'll do it. Come out gramps or you get a 105 mm high explosive round
Response to MillennialDem (Reply #31)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:12 PM
Abouttime (147 posts)
42. Law enforcement will enforce the laws or lose their jobs
When the guns are confiscated, and they will be sooner rather than later, I believe 99% of Americans will peacefully turn them in. A few radicals and criminals will try to hold on to theirs but they will be made examples of, the penalties need to be so severe that no reasonable person would think of keeping a firearm.
Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #61)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:52 PM
LonePirate (2,673 posts)
63. When we finally enact bans and confiscations, you can turn them over or go to jail. Your choice.
If you would rather be in jail without your guns than be outside of jail without them, I am sure there's a DA out there who would gladly indulge you.
Response to LittleBlue (Original post)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:42 PM
Erich Bloodaxe BSN (12,787 posts)
26. Well, that would quickly sort out the real law abiding citizens from the criminals, wouldn't it? nt
^^ A valid nominee for DOTY.
Response to LittleBlue (Original post)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:18 PM
ileus (13,326 posts)
85. If the LEO's poked them all full of holes, it would be win-win.
No more guns, and no more GOP.
If they form militias then uncle sam just sends in the drones and heavy armor, if they won't comply with the law, the law will fix them.
In the end we'll have them right where we want just like in 1865.
Response to ileus (Reply #85)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:29 PM
sibelian (7,416 posts)
94. Right, so KILLING LOTS OF OTHERWISE INNOCENT PEOPLE
because they own the same INSTRUMENT used by murderers and terrorists and whatnot is OK because they vote for the wrong political party.
OK, this site has jumped the shark.
I was under the impression that the reason we didn't like guns was because of violence? And that we wanted rid of guns to reduce violence? I'm not seeing that idea very clearly in your response.
It took you 7,416 posts to realize what a bunch of insane wannabe tyrants you surrounded yourself with?
Response to sibelian (Reply #94)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:30 PM
ileus (13,328 posts)
95. They're not innocent...they're the enemy if they're breaking the law.
Plus we don't like their politics.
If not a mole please look me up and try. :cheersmate:
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Well, stop just wringing your hands together, dipshits! Come and get 'em!
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And again the old saying scratch a liberal find a fascist never fails.
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Such a happy bunch of little wannabe tyrants, aren't they ?
And no, this isn't something the USSC can 'solve' - Amendment ratification or nullification requires 3/4ths of the states to agree. So, you need to "liberalize" 38 states to make that happen - and sadly for you, Wyoming and North Dakota's votes are worth just as much as California and New York's.
Good luck with that, primitives.
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And again the old saying scratch a liberal find a fascist never fails.
They can't even get all of the DUmbass flock wrangled together on one of the most extreme sites on the interwebnets, but they somehow think they can get confiscation enacted.
Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.
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They can't even get all of the DUmbass flock wrangled together on one of the most extreme sites on the interwebnets, but they somehow think they can get confiscation enacted.
Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.
They haven't been able to get the ERA enacted, and they have been beating that horse since 1972. By comparison, the ERA amendment's ratification should be easy to do. Removing the 2nd ? Yeah.. not happening..
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Such a happy bunch of little wannabe tyrants, aren't they ?
And no, this isn't something the USSC can 'solve' - Amendment ratification or nullification requires 3/4ths of the states to agree. So, you need to "liberalize" 38 states to make that happen - and sadly for you, Wyoming and North Dakota's votes are worth just as much as California and New York's.
Good luck with that, primitives.
They believe it really can be accomplished by a combination of executive and judicial fiat.
What they can`t grasp is how any undermining of any part of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in particular will be viewed.
The country which is left would not be worth living in so more then they can guess would be willing to die to prevent it.
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They believe it really can be accomplished by a combination of executive and judicial fiat.
What they can`t grasp is how any undermining of any part of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in particular will be viewed.
The country which is left would not be worth living in so more then they can guess would be willing to die to prevent it.
Indeed - their plan of attack is to pull a page from Bill Clinton and argue what the meaning of 'is' is. - Since they know they can't repeal it, they instead will work to change the intent of the words written.
Unfortunately for the primitives , there is more than enough evidence of the intent of the 2A to put any challenges like this to rest - written by the authors of the Amendment, as well as The Constitution itself.
This site is a fairly good source of information on the very topic, - fully referenced and footnoted for the benefit of the "OUT OF CONTEXT BLARGLEGARBLE !!!!111!!!!!!oneONE!!!11" primitive brigade that tends to appear to shout down commentary they dislike..
https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/history/the-founding-fathers-on-the-second-amendment (https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/history/the-founding-fathers-on-the-second-amendment)
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Kill gun owners who refuse to relinquish their firearms which they can own by law?
Wonder who I would report such a threat to?
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After reading all that crap I draw the conclusion that they know absolutely nothing about the Constitution or Federal Law in general. You can not deploy the military on U.S. soil to fight against citizen who are doing nothing other than exercising their constitutional rights.
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Well, stop just wringing your hands together, dipshits! Come and get 'em!
And alternating hand wringing between clutching pearls.
I'm going to invest in insecticide.
There is a pent up demand for it from the lurking DUmmies, especially when something catches their eye on miskie's posts.
Either that or flyswatter.
Either way, in no time I will be richer than Skinner.
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I hate having to kill another human but if you want to be suicidal, come and get some *****.
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Kill gun owners who refuse to relinquish their firearms which they can own by law?
Wonder who I would report such a threat to?
I would have to say it would be the FBI Cyber crime (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/cyber) division. :-)
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Ironic that the 2nd was created to fend off "minds" like these
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I guess the DUmbshits forgot about a study done a couple of years ago that was released from that bastion of right wing thought, the CDC. :fuelfire: :lmao:
Link (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent)
The Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council released the results of their research through the CDC last month. Researchers compiled data from previous studies in order to guide future research on gun violence, noting that “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.â€
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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:58 PM
MillennialDem (1,521 posts)
31. If the local PD won't do it, call in the military.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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And again the old saying scratch a liberal find a fascist never fails.
HAPPY 1000 POSTS
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HAPPY 1000 POSTS
Thank you, it only took me six years. :-)
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LonePirate (2,673 posts)
25. My money is on the LEOs when it comes to a showdown with 75 yo George the Gun Nut
Ummm..... no. Try a rifle behind every blade of grass, a shotgun behind every door, a gunfight at every traffic stop.
An armed citizenry which outnumbers the combined manpower of the armed forces and law enforcement 20:1 - and that's before military and law enforcement resign en masse, because they took an oath to support, protect, and defend the Constitution you want to rape.
It won't end well for you, DUmmy. I promise you that.
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Ironic that the 2nd was created to fend off "minds" like these
The confiscators fully ignore the 2nd and forget that repealing the 2nd would be necessary for their scenario to ever happen.
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It won't end well for you, DUmmy. I promise you that.
Well, most of the primitives interactions with LEOs are on less than favorable terms, for the primitives.
You can't expect a crew whose experience with LEOs almost always begins with "Put your hands behind your back" to make an accurate assessment of the situation.
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I would have to say it would be the FBI Cyber crime (https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/cyber) division. :-)
Lol as if they would do anything
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Lol as if they would do anything
It was before my time, but I do recall hearing the anecdote that Skins has been paid at least one (and possibly more) visit by the authorities for things posted on his island by primitives. Someone who has been here longer than I can confirm this if it is indeed true.
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Our military and police forces are full of true believers in the 2A, too, which complicates things.
A LOT more than you could possibly comprehend.
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It was before my time, but I do recall hearing the anecdote that Skins has been paid at least one (and possibly more) visit by the authorities for things posted on his island by primitives. Someone who has been here longer than I can confirm this if it is indeed true.
Yeah, that actually happened, about 2004, 2005.
They were seeking information about two primitives, unfortunately not prominent ones.
I dunno what triggered it, and what the end result was.
However, I think the Secret Service (that was the agency involved) needs to watch Skins's island a whole lot more than that.
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However, I think the Secret Service (that was the agency involved) needs to watch Skins's island a whole lot more than that.
I'd say any Secret Service agent worth his salt who is a little low on meeting his arrest quota need only row over to the island on any given day, and he'll catch his limit in five minutes.
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Gotta love the DUche's enthusiasm, I can almost see the spittle flying from S/H/IT's lips:
Response to TeddyR (Reply #8)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:11 PM
Abouttime (147 posts)
14. Yes it will happen
All we need is a democratic president and 2 seats on the Supreme Court. Make the penalty for firearm possession mandatory time in prison and debilitating fines up to and including total asset forfeiture, people will line up to turn in their guns. In other words, possess a gun and lose both your freedom and your wealth.
Get rid of the guns and the police won't even need them. It's a win win for everyone and an important step in the evolution of American Society.
There is so much weapons grade stupidity in that statement, that I think I found where Saddam hid the WMD's. If we get rid of ALL our weapons, what's to keep the narco-terrorist illegal aliens to our south from exploiting our weakness? ESPECIALLY in our law enforcement at that point.
My favorite posts are the ones talking about using the military to solve this problem. Sorry, can't do it due to the posse comitatus act. But its funny hearing some of the keyboard commandos saying that they'd be willing to join the military to do gun confiscation against their fellow citizens. Proof that if you "scrarch a liberal, find a fascist" .
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The confiscators fully ignore the 2nd and forget that repealing the 2nd would be necessary for their scenario to ever happen.
Not with the current POTUS. IMHO he's getting ready to circumvent the 2nd and use some kind of executive order to clamp down on gun ownership.
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My favorite posts are the ones talking about using the military to solve this problem. Sorry, can't do it due to the posse comitatus act. But its funny hearing some of the keyboard commandos saying that they'd be willing to join the military to do gun confiscation against their fellow citizens. Proof that if you "scrarch a liberal, find a fascist" .
They fail to realize how many of us would refuse to carry out such an unlawful order.
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They fail to realize how many of us would refuse to carry out such an unlawful order.
This is what the DUmbfuks fail to calculate on.
They stupidly think they can literally shred the Constitution yet all those things held together by that document will remain intact and under control.
There would be no binding law of any kind.
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Not with the current POTUS. IMHO he's getting ready to circumvent the 2nd and use some kind of executive order to clamp down on gun ownership.
I see it being something much more insidious, I see him confiscating ammo or making it impossible to get by his imperial missives. That is not technically violating the second amendment, and has a similar effect. If you can't get ammo, a gun is a pretty paperweight or doorstop.
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I see it being something much more insidious, I see him confiscating ammo or making it impossible to get by his imperial missives. That is not technically violating the second amendment, and has a similar effect. If you can't get ammo, a gun is a pretty paperweight or doorstop.
Dillon re-loader.
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I see it being something much more insidious, I see him confiscating ammo or making it impossible to get by his imperial missives. That is not technically violating the second amendment, and has a similar effect. If you can't get ammo, a gun is a pretty paperweight or doorstop.
They've already tried this with those massive ammo buys for the IRS DHS and IIRC the Social Security Administration.
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It's libs like the OP that sometimes make me rethink my position on Euthanasia.
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I see it being something much more insidious, I see him confiscating ammo or making it impossible to get by his imperial missives. That is not technically violating the second amendment, and has a similar effect. If you can't get ammo, a gun is a pretty paperweight or doorstop.
Precisely why so many gun owners have substantial stockpiles of ammo, especially after the Great Drought. Never practice yourself out of ammo, better to get a little rusty than disarmed.
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:banghead:
It's libs like the OP that sometimes make me rethink my position on Euthanasia.
Can we tar and feather them then run them out of town on a rail first ?
I'm starting to yearn for those days gone by.