Ralliers against big government seem to have no problem with the enormous war machine that is half the world’s military and the biggest prison system on the planet. The “tyranny†label only pops up about public funds for education, healthcare, the environment, or unemployment insurance. The problem with a government is not its size, but whose interests it serves. Big government can provide necessary things like healthcare, employment and education for all, and protect the earth. Or it can wage grisly wars in three countries at the same time!
Now don't misunderstand, I love America, I am a Christian Republican. But hypocrisy, especially when it has become so apparent, so outright such as being displayed by many Conservatives today, is disgraceful, and the government is necessary for any free and secure society to exist in unity.
What you write about is not founded in the Constitution.
Why don't you just say what you mean ?
Conservatives want to poison the air, water and land.
Conservatives want to keep everyone uneducated.
Conservatives want everyone to die from lack of health care insurance.
Conservatives want all participants in the employment market to be economic slaves to the 1%ers.
Conservatives suck because they don't worship your messiah...owebuma.
Oh, don't forget...Conservatives want to throw Granny off the cliff.
Your blind and uneducated comments are a testament to how ignorant you are. I never said, nor do I believe any of the things which you stated. Please, once again I will ask you sir, do some research before posting.
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You're right, I did forget one point that you really mean.
Conservatives want a military that projects US hegemony and imperialism all over the world.
Not quite, more along the lines of "stay consistent, don't cherrypick the things you say are tryanny." And "in order for the government to fulfill it's purpose of protecting the People's Natural Rights and ensuring the security and unity of the country, it must take up certain tasks, such as assisting in health care or improving our schools. That's not tyranny, it's necessary action."
Does that sound better?
why don't you educate yourself about rights and where they originate ?
Here's a hint, if a "right" is man made, it can easily be unmade.
John Locke devised the Natural Rights that all men have, the Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property. He stated that these were all given to every man by God, that no man should have the power to take away or control another's Rights, and that the Government's purpose was to preserve these Rights.
Without government there is no one to protect the People's Rights, and a government without power is just as useless as as a government that doesn't exist.
John Locke devised the Natural Rights that all men have, the Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property. He stated that these were all given to every man by God, that no man should have the power to take away or control another's Rights, and that the Government's purpose was to preserve these Rights.
Without government there is no one to protect the People's Rights, and a government without power is just as useless as as a government that doesn't exist.
Spoken like a typical totalitarian Progressive troll.Care to elaborate?
Ralliers against big government seem to have no problem with the enormous war machine that is half the world’s military and the biggest prison system on the planet. The “tyranny†label only pops up about public funds for education, healthcare, the environment, or unemployment insurance. The problem with a government is not its size, but whose interests it serves. Big government can provide necessary things like healthcare, employment and education for all, and protect the earth. Or it can wage grisly wars in three countries at the same time!
Now don't misunderstand, I love America, I am a Christian Republican. But hypocrisy, especially when it has become so apparent, so outright such as being displayed by many Conservatives today, is disgraceful, and the government is necessary for any free and secure society to exist in unity.
Care to elaborate?
War machine? What's your DU name?
We spend roughly 4% of U.S. GDP on defense and the Progressives like you are trying to make it smaller while at the same time you're increasing the amount of GDP spent on unfunded liabilities (welfare) which right now stads at around 16% and rising every year.
Spare me your stupid Liberal charts that show how we spend more than 10 other nations combined. It's all been debunked here in the past about what that chart is such a bunch of BS.
If you want a big centralized government to control everything you do
The PEOPLE not the government are whats required to ensure freedom and society to exist. Without the people there is no Government you dolt.
By "war machine" I'm referring to having military bases in countless countries, the most powerful military in the world, and one of the largest nuclear arsenals. Not our defense spending.
I never said control anything, I said improve what is failing and assist those who need it. Enormous difference. Do NOT put words in my mouth.
It's a two way street my friend, without the Government there is no People either, not unless you want an Anarchist society.
By "war machine" I'm referring to having military bases in countless countries, the most powerful military in the world, and one of the largest nuclear arsenals. Not our defense spending.
I never said control anything, I said improve what is failing and assist those who need it. Enormous difference. Do NOT put words in my mouth.
It's a two way street my friend, without the Government there is no People either, not unless you want an Anarchist society.
Now don't misunderstand, I love America, I am a Christian Republican.I do not believe you are either a Christian or a Republican.
I do not believe you are either a Christian or a Republican.
You are a liberal atheist.
By "war machine" I'm referring to having military bases in countless countries, the most powerful military in the world, and one of the largest nuclear arsenals. Not our defense spending.
Oooooooo.. That's gonna leave a mark.
So let me get this straight; America, which is on it's way to having the smallest Active-duty army since WW II has the most powerful military in the world? Well that's a pretty sad fact considering we can't handle a 'JV team' (your President's words) like Daesh (also known as ISIS).
Liberals always say the military is evil, but in my experience, they use the military for more stupid stuff than conservatives.. And expect it done with less resources and people.
Its a mindset like that in a CinC that causes things like 'Task Force Smith' and Operation 'Gothic Serpant' to take place. Things that get American servicemen killed because liberals expect us to do war on the cheap.
And as for the military bases, most of those countries WANT us there. Europe enjoyed decades of prosperity and economic expansion of their social programs because they didn't have to pay as much for defense; we were there at the fulda gap to stop the red horde.
We have status of forces agreements with most of the countries that we have troops in. This protects our soldiers and serves the best interests of the country. A notable exception to that is Iraq, where we have no SOFA. Once again, thanks to your president.
If you haven't figured it out, your talk of American forces being imperial war-mongers isn't going to fly here. So how's about you take that over to Daily KOS, or whatever liberal echo chamber you want, and
GFYS. :bird:
It amuses me to no end who liberals focus on republican hypocrisy while completely ignoring their own hypocrisy. It seems to be we have a pot visiting who desires to label the kettle as black.
What amuses me are the initials in DMFnumbers name.....DUmmie Mother ???????:lmao:...those were my thoughts too...or a member of the Department of Mortor Forkers.
Big government can provide necessary things like healthcare, employment and education for all, and protect the earth.
John Locke devised the Natural Rights that all men have
I never said control anything, I said improve what is failing and assist those who need it. Enormous difference. Do NOT put words in my mouth.
What amuses me are the initials in DMFnumbers name.....DUmmie Mother ???????
So was dmf#s a suicide-poster mole? Or just headed off to bed?
He got his ass handed to him here. He's still defending Muslims on the other thread however.
[Sarcasm] Obviously a MoveOn.org member practicing what (s)he preaches. [/Sarcasm]
How is "defending" Muslims as a class any better than "attacking" Muslims as a class? Both depersonalize individual Muslims (though downplaying the potential of some being hostile is certainly much more risky than overstating said risk).
Well first he's playing the moral equivalency card comparing terrorist attacks by Jews and Christians...with a dash of McVeigh tossed in for fun.
Secondly he's broadbrushing our criticism of muslim terrorists and the radical practitioners of Islam into saying that we are accusing ALL Muslims of being terrorists.
Secondly he's broadbrushing our criticism of muslim terrorists and the radical practitioners of Islam into saying that we are accusing ALL Muslims of being terrorists.Sure, all Muslims aren't terrorists, but if there's an act of terrorism, it's a safe bet to assume that a Muslim was responsible.
dmf777: "I never said control anything, I said improve what is failing and assist those who need it. Enormous difference...."
Historically, government has never been able to improve anything. The progressives do indeed throw more money @ their big projects, but often it just makes it worse.
Want some proof?
- war on poverty: http://www.floppingaces.net/2015/05/05/the-war-on-poverty-40-trillion-funding-failure-rather-than-facebook-or-fubu-or-ford/
- public education: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2008/09/does-spending-more-on-education-improve-academic-achievement
- socialized medicine: http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/10-obamacare-horror-stories-that-are-almost-too-crazy-to-believe
It amuses me to no end how liberals focus on republican hypocrisy while completely ignoring their own hypocrisy. It seems to be we have a pot visiting who desires to label the kettle as black.
30 posts and nothing about the absolute destruction wreaked by the (D)Marxist party.Where's that picture of Jeb Eddy when you need it? :whatever:
Where's that picture of Jeb Eddy when you need it? :whatever:
dmf777: "I never said control anything, I said improve what is failing and assist those who need it. Enormous difference...."
No difference. Why? Because you haven't the slightest clue, or willfully refuse to recognize, the reasons for those "failures".
Controlling would be saying government should create a standard curriculum and a national standardized test (like Common Core). I'm saying government should provide schools with better funding, and more resources. I don't know about the rest of America, but here in Florida our schools are grossly underfunded, my kids' books are typically used, ripped, torn and broken upon issuance, their computers are early 2,000's laptops with the first versions of XP still installed, and their lunches are a slice of pizza or another proportianately small, unhealthy meal.So why are resigned to believing that the only option for your child is public school?
So why are resigned to believing that the only option for your child is public school?
You sound like you have no choice in your child's education options.
You whinge about the lack of money and say we need to spend more on all the welfare crap and less on the "war machine". Well let me tell you a little something g about that "war machine" money you so despise.
The budget cuts that have happened to the military to pay for the welfare programs you live don't just affect the beans and bullets...they affect things like schools child development programs Commissary operations and after school programs.
Thanks to the need to pay for the universal health care that you seem to think is a "right" money has been taken from the defense budget....billions of dollars.
So now instead of the Class of 2015 graduating from a new high school. Which was the plan when my daughter was a Freshman...the next four classes will continue to use a 60 year old building that was originally a military hospital.
Our kids have the same computers your kids do in the schools....but because of the increases in spending on the social welfare shit you seem to think we need...when they break they can't be repaired.
Soldiers who once relied on a Commissary on the weekends to get stuff to eat in their Barracks rooms because there is no chow hall on the Kaserne now have to travel 20 kilometers to the nearest DFAC or Commissary. Most of them do not have cars. And those that do have to fill them with gas that costs us almost $2 more a gallon on post than what you're paying in the states.
So save me your girlie bitchi.g about not having enough money for this and that.
What you're too obtuse to realize is that the billions of dollars your state already throws at these bloated ineptly run agencies that you think we don't spend enough on...is the very reason your child's school is in the shape it's in.
But like a typical Progressive you think the fix is to just toss more money at the situation.
If we could handle our finances none of the above would be an issue. Without the $18,000,000,000,000 debt, and with smart money management, we would be able to handle the things like defense, welfare, education, etc. with much less budget restriction and worry.
I think the government should assist in these things,
but I also think that they should spend as little as possible until our debt is brought to a reasonable size. (I can hear the groans and rants of the readers already as I type this) but we need to (gasp) tighten budgets and (faint) raise taxes if we are going to deal with this efficiently.
Agree, txradioguy.: "We didn't get $18 trillion into debt because of military spending."
Bush was a big spender, but Obama was even more so.
Debt under Bush: from $5.73 trillion to $10.63 trillion
Debt under O: from #10.83 trillion to $18.15 trillion.
Of course the welfare programs are the largest driver of out debt. But the other things, well, its enough to drive one crazy: Bailouts, stimulus: a slush fund for public unions, solar pals & more, taxpayer funded agency vacations, making crappy star trek videos, O's royal vacations & use of air force 1 for campaigning, Sandy pork bill, advertising food stamps in Mexico...the list is endless.
http://www.capitolhilldaily.com/2013/06/taxpayers-irs-party/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/apr/09/rand-paul/rand-paul-debt-has-tripled-bush-took-office/
If we could handle our finances none of the above would be an issue. Without the $18,000,000,000,000 debt, and with smart money management, we would be able to handle the things like defense, welfare, education, etc. with much less budget restriction and worry.
I think the government should assist in these things, but I also think that they should spend as little as possible until our debt is brought to a reasonable size. (I can hear the groans and rants of the readers already as I type this) but we need to (gasp) tighten budgets and (faint) raise taxes if we are going to deal with this efficiently.
(http://wizbangblog.com/images/2005/09/jed_eddy_fake_republican.jpg)
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Did someone say wallet rape ?Wallet rape hurts everyone. It's what liberals excel at.
Usually it's Big Dog who is the predictable prognosticator.
I've never seen him be wrong yet.
Not only wallet rape but ration card rape !
Wallet rape hurts everyone. It's what liberals excel at.
The late and great Crockspot exposed him. :yahoo: