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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2015, 08:21:19 AM »
In response to the OP, Yes, I will have Brussels sprouts fries with my anchovy milkshake.
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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2015, 08:25:35 AM »
So was dmf#s a suicide-poster mole? Or just headed off to bed?
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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2015, 08:33:27 AM »
So was dmf#s a suicide-poster mole? Or just headed off to bed?

He got his ass handed to him here. He's still defending Muslims on the other thread however.
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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2015, 09:00:22 AM »
He got his ass handed to him here. He's still defending Muslims on the other thread however.

[Sarcasm] Obviously a MoveOn.org member practicing what (s)he preaches. [/Sarcasm]

How is "defending" Muslims as a class any better than "attacking" Muslims as a class? Both depersonalize individual Muslims (though downplaying the potential of some being hostile is certainly much more risky than overstating said risk).
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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2015, 09:42:20 AM »
[Sarcasm] Obviously a MoveOn.org member practicing what (s)he preaches. [/Sarcasm]

How is "defending" Muslims as a class any better than "attacking" Muslims as a class? Both depersonalize individual Muslims (though downplaying the potential of some being hostile is certainly much more risky than overstating said risk).

Well first he's playing the moral equivalency card comparing terrorist attacks by Jews and Christians...with a dash of McVeigh tossed in for fun.

Secondly he's broadbrushing our criticism of muslim terrorists and the radical practitioners of Islam into saying that we are accusing ALL Muslims of being terrorists.
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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2015, 10:11:57 AM »
Well first he's playing the moral equivalency card comparing terrorist attacks by Jews and Christians...with a dash of McVeigh tossed in for fun.

Secondly he's broadbrushing our criticism of muslim terrorists and the radical practitioners of Islam into saying that we are accusing ALL Muslims of being terrorists.


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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2015, 10:16:03 AM »
Secondly he's broadbrushing our criticism of muslim terrorists and the radical practitioners of Islam into saying that we are accusing ALL Muslims of being terrorists.
Sure, all Muslims aren't terrorists, but if there's an act of terrorism, it's a safe bet to assume that a Muslim was responsible.


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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2015, 10:40:18 AM »
dmf777:  "I never said control anything, I said improve what is failing and assist those who need it. Enormous difference...."

Historically, government has never been able to improve anything.  The progressives do indeed throw more money @ their big projects, but often it just makes it worse.

Want some proof?

- war on poverty:  http://www.floppingaces.net/2015/05/05/the-war-on-poverty-40-trillion-funding-failure-rather-than-facebook-or-fubu-or-ford/

- public education:  http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2008/09/does-spending-more-on-education-improve-academic-achievement

- socialized medicine:  http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/10-obamacare-horror-stories-that-are-almost-too-crazy-to-believe

I can give you another example in just one word.....Detroit.
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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2015, 12:19:58 AM »
It amuses me to no end how liberals focus on republican hypocrisy while completely ignoring their own hypocrisy. It seems to be we have a pot visiting who desires to label the kettle as black.

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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2015, 12:23:08 AM »
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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2015, 12:28:50 AM »
30 posts and nothing about the absolute destruction wreaked by the (D)Marxist party.
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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2015, 01:28:17 AM »
Where's that picture of Jeb Eddy when you need it? :whatever:



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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2015, 01:38:33 AM »
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dmf777:  "I never said control anything, I said improve what is failing and assist those who need it. Enormous difference...."

No difference.  Why?  Because you haven't the slightest clue, or willfully refuse to recognize, the reasons for those "failures".
              

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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2015, 01:45:08 AM »
No difference.  Why?  Because you haven't the slightest clue, or willfully refuse to recognize, the reasons for those "failures".

Controlling would be saying government should create a standard curriculum and a national standardized test (like Common Core). I'm saying government should provide schools with better funding, and more resources. I don't know about the rest of America, but here in Florida our schools are grossly underfunded, my kids' books are typically used, ripped, torn and broken upon issuance, their computers are early 2,000's laptops with the first versions of XP still installed, and their lunches are a slice of pizza or another proportianately small, unhealthy meal.
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« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2015, 02:21:53 AM »
Controlling would be saying government should create a standard curriculum and a national standardized test (like Common Core). I'm saying government should provide schools with better funding, and more resources. I don't know about the rest of America, but here in Florida our schools are grossly underfunded, my kids' books are typically used, ripped, torn and broken upon issuance, their computers are early 2,000's laptops with the first versions of XP still installed, and their lunches are a slice of pizza or another proportianately small, unhealthy meal.
So why are resigned to believing that the only option for your child is public school?

You sound like you have no choice in your child's education options.

You whinge about the lack of money and say we need to spend more on all the welfare crap and less on the "war machine". Well let me tell you a little something g about that "war machine" money you so despise.

The budget cuts that have happened to the military to pay for the welfare programs you live  don't just affect the beans and bullets...they affect things like schools child development programs Commissary operations and after school programs.

Thanks to the need to pay for the universal health care that you seem to think is a "right" money has been taken from the defense budget....billions of dollars.

So now instead of the Class of 2015 graduating from a new high school. Which was the plan when my daughter was a Freshman...the next four classes will continue to use a 60 year old building that was originally a military hospital.

Our kids have the same computers your kids do in the schools....but because of the increases in spending on the social welfare shit you seem to think we need...when they break they can't be repaired.

Soldiers who once relied on a Commissary on the weekends to get stuff to eat in their Barracks rooms because there is no chow hall on the Kaserne now have to travel 20 kilometers to the nearest DFAC or Commissary. Most of them do not have cars. And those that do have to fill them with gas that costs us almost $2 more a gallon on post than what you're paying in the states.

So save me your girlie bitchi.g about not having enough money for this and that.

What you're too obtuse to realize is that the billions of dollars your state already throws at these bloated ineptly run agencies that you think we don't spend enough on...is the very reason your child's school is in the shape it's in.

But like a typical Progressive you think the fix is to just toss more money at the situation.
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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2015, 02:47:54 AM »
So why are resigned to believing that the only option for your child is public school?

You sound like you have no choice in your child's education options.

You whinge about the lack of money and say we need to spend more on all the welfare crap and less on the "war machine". Well let me tell you a little something g about that "war machine" money you so despise.

The budget cuts that have happened to the military to pay for the welfare programs you live  don't just affect the beans and bullets...they affect things like schools child development programs Commissary operations and after school programs.

Thanks to the need to pay for the universal health care that you seem to think is a "right" money has been taken from the defense budget....billions of dollars.

So now instead of the Class of 2015 graduating from a new high school. Which was the plan when my daughter was a Freshman...the next four classes will continue to use a 60 year old building that was originally a military hospital.

Our kids have the same computers your kids do in the schools....but because of the increases in spending on the social welfare shit you seem to think we need...when they break they can't be repaired.

Soldiers who once relied on a Commissary on the weekends to get stuff to eat in their Barracks rooms because there is no chow hall on the Kaserne now have to travel 20 kilometers to the nearest DFAC or Commissary. Most of them do not have cars. And those that do have to fill them with gas that costs us almost $2 more a gallon on post than what you're paying in the states.

So save me your girlie bitchi.g about not having enough money for this and that.

What you're too obtuse to realize is that the billions of dollars your state already throws at these bloated ineptly run agencies that you think we don't spend enough on...is the very reason your child's school is in the shape it's in.

But like a typical Progressive you think the fix is to just toss more money at the situation.

If we could handle our finances none of the above would be an issue. Without the $18,000,000,000,000 debt, and with smart money management, we would be able to handle the things like defense, welfare, education, etc. with much less budget restriction and worry.
 
I think the government should assist in these things, but I also think that they should spend as little as possible until our debt is brought to a reasonable size. (I can hear the groans and rants of the readers already as I type this) but we need to (gasp) tighten budgets and (faint) raise taxes if we are going to deal with this efficiently.
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« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2015, 04:32:06 AM »
If we could handle our finances none of the above would be an issue. Without the $18,000,000,000,000 debt, and with smart money management, we would be able to handle the things like defense, welfare, education, etc. with much less budget restriction and worry.

We didn't get $18 trillion into debt because of military spending.  We got $18 trillion into debt...with almost half of that happening in the last 7 years...becaues of the very welfare issues you've lambasted us about not spending enough on.

It never wa the job of the Federal Government to handle education...it never was the Federal Government's job to handle programs to help homeless or poor....NEVER.  The specific and limited responsibilities of the government at the Federal level are very clearly outlined in the Constitution.

You want smart money management?  Give give control back to the states and get the Feds the hell out of what isn't their business in the first place.
 
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Why?  Other than defense...where is it in the Constitution that they should assist in these things?


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but I also think that they should spend as little as possible until our debt is brought to a reasonable size. (I can hear the groans and rants of the readers already as I type this) but we need to (gasp) tighten budgets and (faint) raise taxes if we are going to deal with this efficiently.

You're talking out of both sides of your face.  On one hand you rail about the lack of spending on things like free healthcare and programs for the poor and welfare etc....and on the other you say we need "better financial management of the budget" and tighten our betls and raise taxes.

Which is it?  Because as I said before you can't have it both ways.

Oh and an Conservative would go around spouting things like universial health care and tax increases.  Anyone with an 8th grade knowledge of econimics knows that tax inreases are economy killers and stunt growth.

You're no Conservative.
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« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2015, 04:34:27 AM »
Hey dmf#'s....do you realize that in the history of welfare or any of the Great Society programs...there has never been a real actual cut to the spending on any of the programs?

Never.  Their budgets rise continually without restraint every single budget cycle.

Also...do you know what the concept of baseline budgeting is?
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« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2015, 09:24:34 AM »
Liberalism and progressiveness was widely rejected by the majority in the midterms. Liberalism and progressiveness is what we are experiencing today under this administration.  Liberalism and progressiveness isn't working, won't work and hasn't worked.

Adhering to the Constitution and a return to conservatism is what WILL work and has worked.  :usflag: :usflag:
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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2015, 01:26:03 PM »
Agree, txradioguy.:  "We didn't get $18 trillion into debt because of military spending."

Bush was a big spender, but Obama was even more so.
Debt under Bush:  from $5.73 trillion to $10.63 trillion
Debt under O:       from #10.83 trillion to $18.15 trillion.

Of course the welfare programs are the largest driver of out debt.  But the other things, well, its enough to drive one crazy:  Bailouts, stimulus: a slush fund for public unions, solar pals & more, taxpayer funded agency vacations, making crappy star trek videos, O's royal vacations & use of air force 1 for campaigning, Sandy pork bill, advertising food stamps in Mexico...the list is endless.

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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #45 on: May 28, 2015, 01:45:15 PM »
Agree, txradioguy.:  "We didn't get $18 trillion into debt because of military spending."

Bush was a big spender, but Obama was even more so.
Debt under Bush:  from $5.73 trillion to $10.63 trillion
Debt under O:       from #10.83 trillion to $18.15 trillion.

Of course the welfare programs are the largest driver of out debt.  But the other things, well, its enough to drive one crazy:  Bailouts, stimulus: a slush fund for public unions, solar pals & more, taxpayer funded agency vacations, making crappy star trek videos, O's royal vacations & use of air force 1 for campaigning, Sandy pork bill, advertising food stamps in Mexico...the list is endless.

http://www.capitolhilldaily.com/2013/06/taxpayers-irs-party/

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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #46 on: May 28, 2015, 02:03:45 PM »
If we could handle our finances none of the above would be an issue. Without the $18,000,000,000,000 debt, and with smart money management, we would be able to handle the things like defense, welfare, education, etc. with much less budget restriction and worry.
 
I think the government should assist in these things, but I also think that they should spend as little as possible until our debt is brought to a reasonable size. (I can hear the groans and rants of the readers already as I type this) but we need to (gasp) tighten budgets and (faint) raise taxes if we are going to deal with this efficiently.

Who's "we", kemo sabe? I handle my own budget just fine, TYVM. The problem is a spineless Congress who not only doesn't want to stand up against an out-of-control Marxist in the White House, but actually colludes with him.

The second part of your post starts to make sense, but that doesn't square with your first-and-foremost assertion that "government" needs to allocate more of our resources and thus needs more power.

Others on this point are far more eloquent than I, but I'll just flat-out state that anybody who even remotely thinks that government can do anything without shitting all over itself needs to wipe that shitty ass that is the government and keep doing it until they get sick of the stink.
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Re: A Statement on Hypocritical Conservatism and the Government
« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2015, 02:57:42 PM »
Eupher:  "The problem is a spineless Congress who not only doesn't want to stand up against an out-of-control Marxist in the White House, but actually colludes with him."

What a well said statement!  This is what's so wrong in Washington.  Michael Savage refers to liberalism as a mental disorder;  I think of it as an infectious malady.

I am so disgusted with the liberal republicans (& now they won in '14, so they're empowered) & not only their liberal complicity,  but consistently trashing the conservative wing of the electorate as well as our Constitution.

If they had any dignity left, these liberal R's would all line up & do the Arlen Spector thing.  Then, just maybe, we'd have a choice @ elections.

 

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« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2015, 12:39:58 AM »


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« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2015, 01:00:33 AM »
Did someone say wallet rape ?
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