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The DUmpster / Re: Grocery prices are finally falling..Yeah!!!!
« Last post by Karin on Today at 03:31:04 PM »
I know right?  Do they even know that .2% of a $10 item is 2 cents?  I don't think they do.  That number is made up anyway, too many variables. 
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Per Texas law, https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/billtext/pdf/HB01280F.pdf#navpanes=0 :

Whether the doctor or demmiblue is lying, Texas law clearly permits an abortion of a dead baby.

Wait a minute! Are you insinuating that a DUmmie would lie?
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That’s a complete lie. We had 2 children that died in utero and the doctors immediately scheduled my wife to be induced. These primitives will tell any tale to try to score political points, even to themselves.

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If you consider yourself a staunch "pro-lifer" ... 1) You've never been through what we just went through, and 2) You should take a long, hard look in the mirror and reevaluate your reasons for supporting such a cold, barbaric, ignorant point of view.
It's not that black & white, and it's never going to be.

1) My Pro-Life wife and I have been through a miscarriage, though a D & C was not needed. It was devastating. Had one been necessary we would not have hesitated to have it done, for the grossly obvious reasons.

2) First, I do not know of any Pro-Lifer who would want to forbid abortion when a mother's life was in danger. Second, an unborn baby is a unique, living human being in the beginning stages of a continuous progression from fertilization the death in old age. The DNA of the baby is specifically human and unique from that of the mother, and is controlling the growth and development of that living baby. Pro-Abortionists want to believe Pro-Lifers are unthinking, but in the real world many have given more thought to it than have Pro-Abortion people who dodge the reality of what abortion kills.
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Per Texas law, https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/billtext/pdf/HB01280F.pdf#navpanes=0 :

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(b) The prohibition under Subsection (a) does not apply if:
(1) the person performing, inducing, or attempting the
abortion is a licensed physician;
(2) in the exercise of reasonable medical judgment,
the pregnant female on whom the abortion is performed, induced, or
attempted has a life-threatening physical condition aggravated by,
caused by, or arising from a pregnancy that places the female at
risk of death or poses a serious risk of substantial impairment of a
major bodily function unless the abortion is performed or induced;
and
(3) the person performs, induces, or attempts the
abortion in a manner that, in the exercise of reasonable medical
judgment, provides the best opportunity for the unborn child to
survive unless, in the reasonable medical judgment, that manner
would create:
(A) a greater risk of the pregnant female ’s
death; or
(B) a serious risk of substantial impairment of a
major bodily function of the pregnant female.

Whether the doctor or demmiblue is lying, Texas law clearly permits an abortion of a dead baby.

ETA: I will "admit" that it took me a few minutes (probably less than 5) with DDG to find the pertinent Texas law and skim down to this section. I wonder if any DU-member bothered to fact-check the :bouncy: . 30 Replies, not one bothered to find the pertinent Texas law ... unsurprisingly.
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That’s where some of those unaccompanied migrant children are winding up. I guess the rest in whorehouses and massage parlors. Thank you, Joe.
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I find it hard to believe specially this part,

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You could hear him in the hallway as he said, "I'm not giving her a pill so she can go home and have an ab*rtion!".
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If it weren't for decades of hair-splitting throughout our legal system, slip and fall lawyers and politicians, and, one could argue, fifty years of the pro-abortion politicians refusing to sign their names on actual legislation after RvW, doctors might not be fearful of doing what does need to be done in cases like this.  The claim is that the baby was, sadly, miscarried.  Which does mean something needs to be done to remove it for the mother's health, and the baby is unfortunately gone.  I have read some reports of doctors in Texas fearing performing such procedures due to uncertainty about how our current anti-abortion laws could be interpreted.  Not sure the validity of those reports, but knowing the legal climate and the volatility of the abortion issue, I'd call such stories feasible. 

My heart goes out to anyone who endures a miscarriage, it's a horrible experience.  But unfortunately, these situations are made worse by so many things the libs embrace, especially when those things can be worked into their favor. 
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demmiblue (36,949 posts)

My heart is broken💔... No one should ever have to hear their wife say: "Get this dead baby out of me!".

My heart is broken💔: As friends & family know, my wife was pregnant with our 2nd child, & about to begin her 2nd trimester. A few days ago she had severe pains, & bleeding, and had to go to the emergency room. There, it was discovered that our baby no longer had a heartbeat. Devastated doesn't come close to what that feels like.

Unfortunately for people like us, because of the current laws in the state of Texas, that was only the beginning of this nightmare. Jess (my wife) had an "incomplete miscarriage", and what needed to happen, what was best for HER, and her health, was to terminate the pregnancy, and get the baby out.

The doctor gave her a medication that would move this process along, and sent her home. Where, apparently we would be handling it ourselves. We were told it might take a couple of attempts before it worked.

I'll let you decide how you feel about that.

After a long, painful night of the equivalent of early labor, the baby was still with her. So, we went back to the Emergency Center to get the 2nd dose. A new doctor was on call. He was an older man. You could hear him in the hallway as he said, "I'm not giving her a pill so she can go home and have an ab*rtion!". Being well aware that our baby no longer had a heartbeat. Then, he came into the room to say, and I quote: "Considering the current stance. I'm not going to prescribe you this pill". Then, just sent us on our way.

The "CURRENT STANCE"?! Did he really just say that?!

No one should ever have to hear their wife say: "Get this dead baby out of me!".

Can you even imagine how that must feel?

The pain, and the bleeding continued. So, we decided to go to another hospital, about an hour away. There was a female doctor on call there, and we thought we might have better luck.

I should probably mention, the procedure to get the baby out is called a D & C. It's scary, & traumatizing, but sometimes necessary in situations like ours. Especially in emergency circumstances.

So we get to the next hospital. They take Jess in, ask her a bunch of questions, do a new scan... confirm that the baby is still there, with no heartbeat, and then disappear... for hours. Only to come back in and keep asking the same questions over and over. It's becoming clear that they're primary concern is NOT my wife's health. Instead, they seem to be worried about the legalities involved.

So, they decide it is not "enough of an emergency" to perform the D & C.

They do, however, prescribe another, stronger, final dose of the medication for us to try again... at home.

So, we go home to try again. Another long day/night of early labor pains. Only to discover my wife UNCONSCIOUS in the bathroom. Having to pick my wife's cold, limp body off of that bathroom floor, not sure if I was about to lose her, is something I will NEVER forget.

She had to be rushed to the hospital.

By this point she had lost so much blood, and bodily fluid, her body gave out.

They were able to stabilize her, give her the fluids she needed, and we came back home yesterday afternoon. We were also able to confirm that our baby was no longer with her.

Now, not only do we have to live with the loss of our baby... we have to live with the nightmare of what we just experienced because of political and religious beliefs. MY WIFE'S HEALTH SHOULD HAVE COME FIRST. PERIOD!

God knows what mental and emotional damage this has done.

If you consider yourself a staunch "pro-lifer" ... 1) You've never been through what we just went through, and 2) You should take a long, hard look in the mirror and reevaluate your reasons for supporting such a cold, barbaric, ignorant point of view.
It's not that black & white, and it's never going to be.

If you think your "Pray To End Ab*rtion" sign in your yard is "Christian", I suggest you revisit the teachings of Jesus and try again. If you support these laws that make ab*rtion illegal, and result in people being put through what we just were, you should be ashamed of yourself. I've never been so angry, or heartbroken... and the devastation I'm feeling must pale in comparison to what my poor wife is feeling.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218966017

Worried about the current laws in TX? People are ghouls
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The DUmpster / Re: DU updates and announcements
« Last post by Old n Grumpy on Today at 11:39:25 AM »
Lie. Even MVD would be embarrassed at this attempt to scam the money out of DUmies.

I wonder if MVD will see this as a perfect opportunity to show up with another begathon  :lmao: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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