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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: debk on August 26, 2009, 12:41:19 AM
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HYANNIS PORT, Massachusetts (Reuters) – U.S. Senator Edward Kennedy, a towering figure in the Democratic Party who took the helm of one of America's most fabled political families after two older brothers were assassinated, died at age 77, his family said.
"Edward M. Kennedy, the husband, father, grandfather, brother and uncle we loved so deeply, died late Tuesday night at home in Hyannis Port (Massachusetts)," the Kennedy family said in a statement early on Wednesday.
Kennedy had brain cancer, which was diagnosed in May 2008.
He was one of the most influential and longest-serving senators in U.S. history, a liberal standard-bearer who recovered politically from a string of personal scandals to become known as a consummate congressional dealmaker.
Kennedy's death marked the twilight of a political dynasty and dealt a blow to Democrats as they seek to answer President Barack Obama's call for an overhaul of the healthcare system.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090826/us_nm/us_kennedy
Senator Ted Kennedy is dead.....I'm sure his family will miss him dearly.
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Prayers for his family.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090826/us_nm/us_kennedy
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Just found out. It's up to GOD to decide his fate.
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Senator Ted Kennedy is dead.....I'm sure his family will miss him dearly.
Good!
The cocksucker was a traitor to this nation and caused a young woman to die long before her time.
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Just found out. It's up to GOD to decide his fate.
Try the other direction, ala HELL! :evillaugh:
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Try the other direction, ala HELL! :evillaugh:
That may be his final destination, but GOD gets first dibs....
The ONLY reason that drunken murderer was still a Senator and not in prison was his last name....
May GOD have mercy on his soul....
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So what happens now? Does a special election automatically get called, or does the state legislature swoop in and change the rule back?
Oh, yeah, condolences to his family. I'm sure they, and a lot of libs, will miss him.
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Senator Ted Kennedy is dead.....I'm sure his family will miss him dearly.
We don't find men like him very often.
OH-OH will Congress pass the medical plan as a tribute to Ted???
Another week of TV consentrating on the life and death of just one man.
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That may be his final destination, but GOD gets first dibs....
The ONLY reason that drunken murderer was still a Senator and not in prison was his last name....
May GOD have mercy on his soul....
While that may be true, if there's actual justice after death, fatteddy will be getting boinked by hitler for eternity.
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Burn in hell you scumbag, burn in hell.
And now we'll have to put up with the worshiping from the media for this piece of shit.
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His family might miss him, I wouldn't know. Nobody else should.
http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com/2009/08/ted-is-dead-begins-sulphur-train-ride.html
Thats my take, I might be mean next time :evillaugh:
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We don't find men like him very often.
OH-OH will Congress pass the medical plan as a tribute to Ted???
Another week of TV consentrating on the life and death of just one man.
This is why conservatives have been known to call it the Ted Kennedy Memorial Health Act. They were only slightly kidding.
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The dump ought to be interesting this week. I may even burn up a mole just to toss a monkey wrench in. :naughty:
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Teddy Kennedy was a poster boy for term limits. :beer: :beer:
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On the plus side - At least this will knock Jacko out of the spotlight.
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Ok maybe fatteddy getting boinked by hitler isn't good enough, how about him getting waterboarded by Mary Jo Kopechne for eternity. :fuelfire:
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On the plus side - At least this will knock Jacko out of the spotlight.
I guess it would be too much to ask for some other liberal douchebags in the senate to follow Teddy the Lush's example and kick the bucket?
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Ok maybe fatteddy getting boinked by hitler isn't good enough, how about him getting waterboarded by Mary Jo Kopechne for eternity. :fuelfire:
I doubt that Mary Jo and the Kennedys are in the same location.
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I guess it would be too much to ask for some other liberal douchebags in the senate to follow Teddy the Lush's example and kick the bucket?
Senator KKK Byrd is bad off too. Maybe we can a two-fer today? Nah, maybe this week though.
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I doubt that Mary Jo and the Kennedys are in the same location.
It will take some of the fun out of watching the royal high jinks of our political Masters.
He was so outrageous that people enjoyed having him around just to see what he would do next. One Nephew a Murdered in prison, another charged with rape. The heir to the Theron and his cover girl wife killed as they flew to the wedding of a Niece who was born after his brother was assassinated.
I feel like I grew up with that family, we knew everyones name laughed at some cried for others. We watched their kids grow up to be Hell raisers, drunks, murder es, thieves and some did good work for the comunity and were respectfull citizens.
So now we lay another Kennedy to rest, Saint or Sinner we will never really know.
So much to regret I will never get to watch Ted jog the beach naked, or find him passed out on his front lawn.
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I feel like I grew up with that family,
Saint or Sinner we will never really know.
You really haven't been paying attention then. There's absolutely no doubt exactly what the old traitorous bastard was.
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So now we lay another Kennedy to rest, Saint or Sinner we will never really know.
So much to regret I will never get to watch Ted jog the beach naked, or find him passed out on his front lawn.
He was defintely a sinner. He LOVED sinning. I am sure that when they TRIED to give him last rites, he said "I'm giving God one last chance to repent". Thats just how big an ego he had. It was the size of the blackhole at the center of a galaxy.
Just remember when you watch TV or read the news... every time a whale is beached... someone is thinking of Ted Kennedy
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He was defintely a sinner. He LOVED sinning. I am sure that when they TRIED to give him last rites, he said "I'm giving God one last chance to repent". Thats just how big an ego he had. It was the size of the blackhole at the center of a galaxy.
Just remember when you watch TV or read the news... every time a whale is beached... someone is thinking of Ted Kennedy
For me August 26,2009 is the day the gates closed on Camelot. 40 some odd years of wondering about how that one family got away with all the the wheeling and dealing they done did.
AND ---no shame whats so ever. AMAZING
Put it this way, that tiny little pay check I bring home is MINE. I can buy without guilt what I want or think I need.
Kennedy family bring home a paycheck and total outsiders demand to know what they spent their money on.
I would not like to awaken one morning to complete strangers demanding I disclose what % of my check went for Charity, expose IRS records for last 7 years.
I do not want to pick up the morning paper that has an article about some idiot that has been arrested for running naked in the streets and at the botton the last sentence is The accused is a member of the Vesta family.
If these acts can be done to the rich and famous, they are legal to do to anyone else when a neighbor has a grudge against you.
Camelot began in my grandparents generation, went on to my parents, then to mine, my kids and their kids. 5 freeking generations that have been impacted in one way or the other with life as we know it today
This unusual family has come to an end, there is no one left in that family to carry on.
Caroline did at Teds urging attempt to step into politics but she had gone from a swan to an ugly duckling
Close the curtains, raise the lights, escort everyone out of the theater of life. This was the longest running play on Brodway and is now shut down.
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Finally, Sir Rhosis of Liver stands before a judge he can't corrupt.
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and now obama is going to have to break ramadan for this.
some vacation...
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And the Democrats will use his death to push health care and silence critics in 3...2...1
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You know, to be honest, I don't give a ****.
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He's probably in Hell right now trying to tell Satan how best to spend the souls he's earned while drinking all the best liquor and laughing it up with the lawyers.
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So what happens now? Does a special election automatically get called, or does the state legislature swoop in and change the rule back?
Oh, yeah, condolences to his family. I'm sure they, and a lot of libs, will miss him.
As it stands right now it will be a special election in 5 months. However that could change.
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As it stands right now it will be a special election in 5 months. However that could change.
Teddy wasn't getting a lot of support for changing it from his state Dems when he made the request earlier. Most of them didn't like the idea of changing the law so soon after they had changed it for Kerry. That could change now with the reality of his death.
I guess they have to cross that bridge, now.
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As it stands right now it will be a special election in 5 months. However that could change.
With Liberman now against Health Care socialization, Teddy the Drunk's death means there goes the Dems 60th seat in the Senate. Now if the Republicans can keep Snowe and Collins on the reservation, Heath Care Socialization is toast
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0Bama is going to be giving a statement very soon. Will he politicize Fat Teddy's passing and press for health care reform in Teddy's name?
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0Bama is going to be giving a statement very soon. Will he politicize Fat Teddy's passing and press for health care reform in Teddy's name?
It will now be called "The Dead Ted Kennedy Watered Down Healthcare Bill." with a special provision for drowning victims.
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It will now be called "The Dead Ted Kennedy Watered Down Healthcare Bill." with a special provision for drowning victims.
Damn, you're good, sir.
Admirable.
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Condolences to his family.
I have a lot of yardwork to do today, some shopping and a few TiVoed programs to watch.
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It will now be called "The Dead Ted Kennedy Watered Down Healthcare Bill." with a special provision for drowning victims.
And Government sponsored "Rehab" for all alcoholics and cocaine addicts.
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I'll mourn him as Americans mourned Benedict Arnold.
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Senator Ted Kennedy is dead.....
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
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I'll mourn him as Americans mourned Benedict Arnold.
I'll mourn him as the DUmmies did Ronald Reagan.
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Just found out. It's up to GOD to decide his fate.
Like I said in another thread...I hope Mary Jo Kopechne was there to greet him.
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Like I said in another thread...I hope Mary Jo Kopechne was there to greet him.
She wasn't. Ted's not allowed in heaven.
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Other than hoping his family finds peace through this time I can't really say I care.
After what he pulled years ago it's hard to have any sympathy for the man. He helped cut short a young lady's life and he got to live out the rest of his life with comfort and wealth.
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The Constitution does not just protect those whose views we share; it also protects those with whose views we disagree.
~Edward Kennedy
....except if you're a conservative :naughty:
R.I.P. and condolences to his family :innocent:
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Well now, it's only been a few hours, and already I'm bored with this memorializing.
Time to move on.
Who's going to be his replacement?
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Kinda bad when you reach 60 seats in the Senate and God smites your ass back down to 59.
....ok, maybe that was mean.
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Justice is finally served for Mary Jo. So.......... is that it? Are all the Kenndys finally gone?
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You know, to be honest, I don't give a ****.
Damn, frank, I never thought I would ever see you say f***! :o :-)
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Damn, frank, I never thought I would ever see you say f***! :o :-)
We corrupted him. :evillaugh:
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It's hard to feel sorry for a drunken reprobate who lived to a ripe old age with vast family wealth at his disposal after a lifetime of legendary dissipation.
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So what happens now? Does a special election automatically get called, or does the state legislature swoop in and change the rule back?
They'll probably do the latter like Kennedy wanted.
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Justice is finally served for Mary Jo. So.......... is that it? Are all the Kenndys finally gone?
All kids of Joe and Rose are.
Aside from Maria Shriver, the Kennedy grandkids are a bunch of Trust Fund party animals. Those who go into politics like Bobby's son and Ted's son, usually are marked by scandal.
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Condolences to his family.
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Kinda bad when you reach 60 seats in the Senate and God smites your ass back down to 59.
....ok, maybe that was mean.
:lol:
Awesome.
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The Constitution does not just protect those whose views we share; it also protects those with whose views we disagree.
~Edward Kennedy
....except if you're a conservative :naughty:
R.I.P. and condolences to his family :innocent:
Frack his family, they are nothing but a bunch of drunking, drug addicted, killling, womanizing and liberals etc.
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Lets rewrite it:
HYANNIS PORT, Massachusetts (Reuters) – U.S. Senator Edward Kennedy, a blot-out-the-sun figure in the Democratic Party who took the blood-rusted helm of one of America's most fabled corrupt political families after two older brothers were assassinated, died at age 77, his family said.
Kennedy had brain cancer, which was diagnosed in May 2008. Since he never used it, there was no problem until it spread to his vitals like his stomach.
He was one of the most influential and longest-serving moocher and liar in U.S. history, a commie scum standard-bearer who recovered politically from a string of personal scandals to become known as a consummate congressional dealmaker.
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So is Patches now the titular head of the Kennedy klan?
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Kinda bad when you reach 60 seats in the Senate and God smites your ass back down to 59.
....ok, maybe that was mean.
And best of all, it was Ted's own doing. He wanted that law changed to prevent Romney from appointing a republican senator, and then just a few days ago he wanted it changed back. However, he died before that could happen, so...HA!
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Justice is finally served for Mary Jo. So.......... is that it? Are all the Kenndys finally gone?
No there are a couple still...umm..floating around in politics.
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I'll mourn him as the DUmmies did Ronald Reagan.
I'm going to mourn Faht Bahstahd's passing like the Palestinians mourned the WTC attack victims. BEG? Schade? CelticRose? Mamacags? Any of you ladies care to dance in the streets with me?
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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All kids of Joe and Rose are.
Aside from Maria Shriver, the Kennedy grandkids are a bunch of Trust Fund party animals. Those who go into politics like Bobby's son and Ted's son, usually are marked by scandal.
Kennedys go into politics because of the awesome tail you get with it.
As far as justice for Mary Jo, the scumbag died under hospice care. He slid out of existence in a blissful drugged fog. No way he experienced the agonized terror of that girl's last minutes, or hours, as the oxyen trapped inside that car was slowly depleted. On the other hand, he did at least have over a year to contemplate it.
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Kennedys go into politics because of the awesome tail you get with it.
Well, I have to admit that is a pretty compelling argument for it.
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Mary Jo can finally rest in peace! That's the only thing I give a shit about Vast Teddie dieing.
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Does anyone worry his funeral will turn into another Wellstone Memorial?
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Does anyone worry his funeral will turn into another Wellstone Memorial?
I think we should plan on it
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A bit off topic, when JFK Jr. died, I was more sad for Carolyn and Lauren Bissett than him. Think about, a family lost TWO of their daughters in one day. I sometimes wonder if JFK Jr. committed suicide. The Kennedys are like a royal family in America. There is nothing special about them. The Kennedys got their fortune from bootlegging during Prohibition.
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Mary Jo can finally rest in peace! That's the only thing I give a shit about Vast Teddie dieing.
The spin has started all ready, wow that was fast.
We must forgive Teddy who at the young age 40-45 led a wild and reckless life.
Up to that time he had been married to this drunk woman who refused to follow family tradition and have 12 kids. So he divorces her and find a divorced woman with 2 kids, Mary's her and is reborn to become an honest decent man. So it was all Joan's fault that for all those years he was a scoundrel.
Somewhere out there there are a few democrats that if interview would state that Ted was a no good ass.
For the funeral I am making a list of dignitary's who will be front and center. I did hear that his cold dead body will be placed on display in Boston, Any dignitary's who dread the heat of DC this time of the year will be wise to join the people of Boston and forgo Arlington.
Will the Clinton's be front and center in DC sweating their butts off but be in a party mood
Interesting.
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A bit off topic, when JFK Jr. died, I was more sad for Carolyn and Lauren Bissett than him. Think about, a family lost TWO of their daughters in one day. I sometimes wonder if JFK Jr. committed suicide. The Kennedys are like a royal family in America. There is nothing special about them. The Kennedys got their fortune from bootlegging during Prohibition.
I think its more like homicide. He had no business flying that plane that night. Minimal instrument qualifications, minimal instrument experience, bad weather, but the bonehead had to fly.
That whole family has pulled boneheaded stunts over and over again. DWI's, car wrecks, drug possession, sexual situations, plane wrecks. I think half the family has been in rehab for something.
If there is such thing as a "Kennedy Curse".. its often a curse of their own stupidity.
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I think its more like homicide. He had no business flying that plane that night. Minimal instrument qualifications, minimal instrument experience, bad weather, but the bonehead had to fly.
That whole family has pulled boneheaded stunts over and over again. DWI's, car wrecks, drug possession, sexual situations, plane wrecks. I think half the family has been in rehab for something.
If there is such thing as a "Kennedy Curse".. its often a curse of their own stupidity.
True. The reason I think he committed suicide because George magazine was failing and he took the bar exam four times before he passed.
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The spin has started all ready, wow that was fast.
We must forgive Teddy who at the young age 40-45 led a wild and reckless life.
Forgive Faht Bahstahd if you want, 'numbers. As for me, judgement and forgiveness are the purvue of the Almighty. I'll leave it in His capable hands.
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Oh, this is interesting... (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/291382.php)
In Kennedy's mind, all of these achievements paled next to his long-deferred dream of national health insurance. When President Nixon proposed a plan for universal coverage that would have delighted Democrats in later years, Kennedy, who long backed a government plan, led the opposition, a move he later regretted. So he moved to partial reforms, but even here he was often disappointed. His hopes of a major restructuring were dashed in the early 1990s with the defeat of Bill and Hillary Clinton's health-care initiative.
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I'm sure sales of Ted's books will skyrocket now...
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/Kennedy/truecompass2.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/Kennedy/TedKennedy_Book.jpg)
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Well.....I'm not much into grave dancing, but I can offer condolences to those who cared about him. That said, he is answering now to a higher power for the conduct of his life, and I would not want to be in his position........may G*D have mercy on his soul........
doc
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Teddy is gone. At last. There are more billions if not trillions of dollare of unfunded "mandates" attached to his name than any man in the universe's history.
JFK Jr. has an accidental crash. Back in the day, I flew amall planes fron the East Hampton Airport to Block Island to New London Ct. . When the ground fog, very thin, starts as the sun sets, you c an easily lose the visual horizon. If you are not on the instruments before you lose the horizon, you can misread the artifical horizon. If you correct the wrong way, the indicators can wind up in a jumble in one corner of the instrument, you feel level, but you are augering in.
He had NO instrument rating only VFR, but should have flown IFR anyway, and let the FAA check, if they chose, after you are safe on the ground. I flew, with a certified pilot, from EH Airport to West Palm at night IFR all the way and no one ever even asked how we were rated.
Remember, there are old pilots, there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots!
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I'm sure sales of Ted's books will skyrocket now...
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/Kennedy/truecompass2.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/Kennedy/TedKennedy_Book.jpg)
Don't forget his lesser known work.
(http://www.moonbattery.com/ted-kennedy-memoirs-7.jpg)
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He had NO instrument rating only VFR, but should have flown IFR anyway, and let the FAA check, if they chose, after you are safe on the ground. I flew, with a certified pilot, from EH Airport to West Palm at night IFR all the way and no one ever even asked how we were rated.
Remember, there are old pilots, there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots!
Actually, as I mentioned to my wife when it happened, we have flown the same route that he did many times.....from Teterboro to Martha's Vinyard, both VFR and IFR, but we always took the "overland" route, flying the western shore of Long Island Sound, never out of gliding distance to the beach.......he had to do the direct overwater route, which would have saved him 20 minutes if he had made it.......but unfortunately he didn't.
My flight innstructor used to tell me that "flying is terribly unforgiving of stupidity and arrogance"......
The Kennedy's unfortunately are blessed with vast reserves of both......
doc
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It was really nice to hear ABC's World News Now this morning. They were telling the truth about Teddy. They mentioned his nick-name repeatedly, it seemed like every other sentence.
Ted Kennedy: The Liberal, Lyin' in the Senate.
Just hurry up & bury his worthless old ass. I'm like Frank, tired of hearing about him already.
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It is going to be on the news for quiet a while look how long they have drawn out the Jackson soap opera God knows how long they will for this pos!!
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Cue the Breck Girl - with tears in his eyes - whining about how The Lyin' (Bastard) of the Senate would still be alive, if only we had socialized health care, in 3... 2... 1...
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I'm sure all the networks will preempt all broadcasting for the funeral and gushing eulogy. MSNBC, it'll make you sick seeing their broadcast today.
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I'm sure all the networks will preempt all broadcasting for the funeral and gushing eulogy. MSNBC, it'll make you sick seeing their broadcast today.
I'm going to need insulin just watching the Fox coverage - and I'm hypoglycemic by nature.
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I'm sure all the networks will preempt all broadcasting for the funeral and gushing eulogy. MSNBC, it'll make you sick seeing their broadcast today.
It's gonna happen Saturday. At Arlington National Cemetary.
I have thoughts on this but because I like my current rank I'm going to hold them to myself until I'm safely in my car on 395 sriving home.
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It's gonna happen Saturday. At Arlington National Cemetery.
I have thoughts on this but because I like my current rank I'm going to hold them to myself until I'm safely in my car on 395 driving home.
Then I'll say it for you Sarge........this is desecration of hallowed ground.........
doc
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Does anyone worry his funeral will turn into another Wellstone Memorial?
Worry No. Know that it will happen Yes. They won't pass the oppertunity up if you have seen the sewage they spewed forth on the media already for the late not so great Ted "The Fat Bastard" Kennedy. I mean al of those things he supposedly did to benefit all americans was more likly driven by his guilt after killing another human being and his ego that wouldn't let him resign in disgrace . His excapades in DC and elsewhere are the stuff of legend. How his first wife let him get away with it is beyond me. If she was smart she should have tanked his fat ass after the USS Oldsmobile went down with Mary Jo.l
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It's gonna happen Saturday. At Arlington National Cemetary.
I have thoughts on this but because I like my current rank I'm going to hold them to myself until I'm safely in my car on 395 sriving home.
I think we could safly say that your thoughts and mine are almost the same on the wasted effort to plant his ass there.
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tvdoc,
Yes, when you can see ground , and the difference between it and the sky by looking down, you can orient the aircraft so the artificial horizon is in some semblence of order and can get back into level flight. Then call for HELP.
Yes a screw up in an aircraft is awfully final. Nigel Young , a WW2 Battle of Britian fighter pilot was taking photo's from the Ocean Side of some real estate. It was January, he was low, and frightened a flock of seaguls into the air. At least one came thru the windscreen. He tried to gain altitude and clear his vision, called in his dilema, could not clear his vision and crashed hard into the ocean.
Two years later his replacement hip joint was found by a Beachcomber....
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JFK Jr. has an accidental crash. Back in the day, I flew amall planes fron the East Hampton Airport to Block Island to New London Ct. . When the ground fog, very thin, starts as the sun sets, you c an easily lose the visual horizon. If you are not on the instruments before you lose the horizon, you can misread the artifical horizon. If you correct the wrong way, the indicators can wind up in a jumble in one corner of the instrument, you feel level, but you are augering in.
He had NO instrument rating only VFR, but should have flown IFR anyway, and let the FAA check, if they chose, after you are safe on the ground. I flew, with a certified pilot, from EH Airport to West Palm at night IFR all the way and no one ever even asked how we were rated.
Remember, there are old pilots, there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots!
And had he arrived and had to actually fly the instrument approach, what's he going to do?
Even in my training and right up to my checkride I wouldn't have dared to file IFR before I got my ticket. You're just asking for trouble.
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tvdoc,
Yes, when you can see ground , and the difference between it and the sky by looking down, you can orient the aircraft so the artificial horizon is in some semblence of order and can get back into level flight. Then call for HELP.
Yes a screw up in an aircraft is awfully final. Nigel Young , a WW2 Battle of Britian fighter pilot was taking photo's from the Ocean Side of some real estate. It was January, he was low, and frightened a flock of seaguls into the air. At least one came thru the windscreen. He tried to gain altitude and clear his vision, called in his dilema, could not clear his vision and crashed hard into the ocean.
Two years later his replacement hip joint was found by a Beachcomber....
Being instrument rated, I'm aware of that, however, I read the NTSB report on the crash, and there are two important facts that were never well publicized on the incident........first: There is no control tower at Martha's Vinyard, and second: the winds were calm that evening.......therefore, he could have shot his apprioach from either direction to that runway.....why he chose to land with the ocean (and therefore no horizion reference) ahead of him, and not the lights of the island, will always be a mystery. If he had landed in the other direction, the lights of the town would have provided him with a horizion reference even with the light fog that prevailed at the time. I've done it more times than I can remember. But I've got 12,000 hours in the left seat, and he only had 150, if I recall correctly.
The "official" cause of the crash was: "Pilot error......continued flight in conditions that were beyond the pilot's level of training and experience, and failure to maintain airspeed/altitude on final approach........" For obvious reasons, the press never mentioned that either when it was released a year or so later.
Even though I don't fly any longer (due to the advance of years), I still carry a card in my wallet that reads:
".......Maintain thy airspeed, lest the earth rise and smite thee........." In Kennedy's case, it did......
doc
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And had he arrived and had to actually fly the instrument approach, what's he going to do?
Divert to another airport that IS VFR.........which is why you always calculate a fuel reserve for that contingency.......
doc
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Divert to another airport that IS VFR.........which is why you always calculate a fuel reserve for that contingency.......
doc
Uh... that's not the point. If you're gonna file IFR, you better be able to fly IFR. John-John was not experienced enough to fly IFR, so to suggest he fly IFR is irresponsible. Seems he didn't even know enough to flip on the auto-pilot when he got into trouble so to say he should have filed IFR and then if he got in the soup he should contact control and tell them he wants to cancel and fly VFR is just asking for trouble.
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Uh... that's not the point. If you're gonna file IFR, you better be able to fly IFR. John-John was not experienced enough to fly IFR, so to suggest he fly IFR is irresponsible. Seems he didn't even know enough to flip on the auto-pilot when he got into trouble so to say he should have filed IFR and then if he got in the soup he should contact control and tell them he wants to cancel and fly VFR is just asking for trouble.
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We are wandering far afield here......Kennedy was NOT instrument rated, and he didn't file a flight plan of any kind, therefore the issue of an IFR approach doesn't apply, he was VFR all the way, mostly over the water.
Even if he were instrument rated, there is no ILS at Martha's Vinyard (at least at the time of the incident), so the published IFR approach was a VOR approach, with minimums that were only slightly less than VFR......seems to me that at that airport the approach minimums were 800 feet, and one mile visibility.......the conditions at the time of the accident were above VFR minimums........ceiling was scattered at 5000, visibility was 5 miles plus with ground fog.......he just blew it.....
doc
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Remember, there are old pilots, there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots!
Hey Peter...Chuck Yeager is on the phone...he'd like to have a word with you. :-)
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Hey Peter...Chuck Yeager is on the phone...he'd like to have a word with you. :-)
H5 :rotf:
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We are wandering far afield here......Kennedy was NOT instrument rated, and he didn't file a flight plan of any kind, therefore the issue of an IFR approach doesn't apply, he was VFR all the way, mostly over the water.
Even if he were instrument rated, there is no ILS at Martha's Vinyard (at least at the time of the incident), so the published IFR approach was a VOR approach, with minimums that were only slightly less than VFR......seems to me that at that airport the approach minimums were 800 feet, and one mile visibility.......the conditions at the time of the accident were above VFR minimums........ceiling was scattered at 5000, visibility was 5 miles plus with ground fog.......he just blew it.....
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I agree, but realize what I said was based upon the statement "He had NO instrument rating only VFR, but should have flown IFR anyway." Someone without an instrument rating doesn't need to be filing, much less flying, IFR even if the chance of getting caught is minimal. To that we can no doubt agree. Now if what he meant was flying in IMC conditions as though he had filed IFR and was following a flight plan, even more dangerous.
He got caught in spacial disorientation because he got in over his head.
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I agree, but realize what I said was based upon the statement "He had NO instrument rating only VFR, but should have flown IFR anyway." Someone without an instrument rating doesn't need to be filing, much less flying, IFR even if the chance of getting caught is minimal. To that we can no doubt agree. Now if what he meant was flying in IMC conditions as though he had filed IFR and was following a flight plan, even more dangerous.
He got caught in spacial disorientation because he got in over his head.
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OK....I misunderstood, and certainly agree. Back in the days when I flew VFR, I would have never even thought of attempting a IFR approach.
I was taught that if you got caught in IFR conditions (as a VFR pilot) get your ass on the radio and let the controllers know, so that they can assist, rather than trying to go it alone......
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OK....I misunderstood, and certainly agree. Back in the days when I flew VFR, I would have never even thought of attempting a IFR approach.
I was taught that if you got caught in IFR conditions (as a VFR pilot) get your ass on the radio and let the controllers know, so that they can assist, rather than trying to go it alone......
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No sweat, friend. I figured either I wasn't clear and/or you misunderstood my point.
I know during my VFR training I did some work under the hood and learned enough that if I got into IMC to announce it to control and if possible do a 180 and try and get out the way you got in.
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No sweat, friend. I figured either I wasn't clear and/or you misunderstood my point.
I know during my VFR training I did some work under the hood and learned enough that if I got into IMC to announce it to control and if possible do a 180 and try and get out the way you got in.
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Roger that.......but I, at the time, made a bit of a hobby out of that particular flight, since, as a flight instructor, he did so many things wrong, I wanted to make it into a teaching moment.......just to refresh everyones memory.
.....he was in a big hurry to reach his destination
.....he was flying with a cast on his foot from an injury (a BIG no-no)
.....his route of flight was up the center of Long Island Sound, and over the Atlantic to MV, over water all the way, in a single-engine Piper, when he could have flown up the coast, and never been more than a few miles from any one of hundreds of airports.
.....he attempted an approach toward the ocean, when ground fog was reported, when he could have just have easily approached from the opposite direction (which was the way he was coming from initially), so he actually had to circle the airport to land in that direction.
.....he embarked on a long straight-in approach, instead of keeping his pattern tight, the runway in sight at all times.
.....He was attempting a night landing, (carrying passengers) with only 2 hours of night flying in his logbook.
.....He was flying an aircraft that he had just purchased a few weeks earlier, and there was no record of him having any instruction in that particular aircraft.
.....He failed to file a flight plan, therefore it was many hours before anyone knew that his flight was missing.
So many really dumb mistakes.......
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.. since, as a flight instructor,
I forgot you were a CFII.
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I forgot you were a CFII.
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Not any longer.......but I was at the time......
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He loathed the military yet is being buried at Arlington. Apparently no one in his family has paid attention to his commentary the past few decades.
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He loathed the military yet is being buried at Arlington. Apparently no one in his family has paid attention to his commentary the past few decades.
If the dead could walk, they'd leave that place when he arrives.
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He loathed the military yet is being buried at Arlington. Apparently no one in his family has paid attention to his commentary the past few decades.
What better way for the Kennedy family to continue to snub the military, than by burying the traitor Vast Teddy in amongst so many honorable men.
It has got to make Robert E. Lee sick to the stomach, to know that vermin like this will be feeding the worms on his land.
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What better way for the Kennedy family to continue to snub the military, than by burying the traitor Vast Teddy in amongst so many honorable men.
It has got to make Robert E. Lee sick to the stomach, to know that vermin like this will be feeding the worms on his land.
General Lee isn't the only one
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General Lee isn't the only one
I'd lay odds that if they could get up and walk away, even his brothers might.
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:lmao:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yTPj1KoGhaM/SpUJS-SxZeI/AAAAAAAABXg/_Y6bMSQsgu0/s320/tombstone.jpg)
http://bluelori.blogspot.com/2009/08/tombstone-for-ted.html
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I thought you had to serve in the military to be buried at Arlington.... :confused:
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I thought you had to serve in the military to be buried at Arlington.... :confused:
He's a U.S. Army vet. He's getting in because of his elected status, not military.
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I thought you had to serve in the military to be buried at Arlington.... :confused:
His daddy got him a safe position in Europe during the Korean War I think, he served less than 2 years and left the Army as a Private.
BTW- How many Privates are buried at Arlington?
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I thought you had to serve in the military to be buried at Arlington.... :confused:
They consider the Senate and the House, then same thing........disgusting, ain't it?
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I thought you had to serve in the military to be buried at Arlington.... :confused:
Anyone who held an elective office of the U.S. government can be buried at Arlington as long as they served on active duty in the armed forces. And though Bourbon Breathe Kennedy must surely have been as much an embarrassment to the US Army as he was the US Senate, he did serve in the Army.
Persons Eligible For Burial In Arlington National Cemetery, 32 CFR Ch. V (7–1–97 Edition) (http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/eligib.htm)
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I wonder what they are going to put up as his memorial I mean John has the eternal flame, Robert has the wooden cross what is his going to be a bar stool?
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I wonder what they are going to put up as his memorial I mean John has the eternal flame, Robert has the wooden cross what is his going to be a bar stool?
An Oldsmobile....with a body inside....
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They consider the Senate and the House, then same thing........disgusting, ain't it?
Hmmmmm.....whole bunch of real honorable individuals there... :puke:
Anyone who held an elective office of the U.S. government can be buried at Arlington as long as they served on active duty in the armed forces. And though Bourbon Breathe Kennedy must surely have been as much an embarrassment to the US Army as he was the US Senate, he did serve in the Army.
Persons Eligible For Burial In Arlington National Cemetery, 32 CFR Ch. V (7–1–97 Edition) (http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/eligib.htm)
Thanks for posting this....I thought the requirements had changed...but they changed quite a bit more than I knew.
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His daddy got him a safe position in Europe during the Korean War I think, he served less than 2 years and left the Army as a Private.
BTW- How many Privates unadorned with silver and bronze jewelry are buried at Arlington?
Fixed for ya buddy. :II:
Last I saw, the qualifications for a 4'x8' piece of Gen. Lee's real estate were pretty exclusive in that regard. I seem to recall that there was a stipulation regarding the candidate's conduct during civillian life as well, that would further seem to eliminate the Lyin' Bastard of the Senate, but I could be wrong on that one.
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Damn, I'm not eligible but that fat **** is?
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Damn, I'm not eligible but that fat **** is?
I made the same observation yesterday. Sickening, ain't it?
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Hey Peter...Chuck Yeager is on the phone...he'd like to have a word with you. :-)
As for me, I'd rather speak with Scott Crossfield.
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As for me, I'd rather speak with Scott Crossfield.
Crossfield is buried at Arlington.
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Crossfield is buried at Arlington.
Kinda weird that he died in a Cessna single-engine 210 with his experience. With the exception of maybe a wing coming off, control surface cables breaking, etc., I just don't see how anyone can crash one and not live. Cessna's like the 150/152, 172, 175, etc. can land on a dime and will float forever. Anyone that's ever flown a 152 or 172 knows what I'm talking about. Then again, his actually went through some violent stuff, IIRC.
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Ok, NM. I just Wiki'd. I heard about the story, but never really knew all of the details.
While lightning itself poses a relatively minor risk to all-metal aircraft like Crossfield's, thunderstorms often contain turbulence severe enough to break an aircraft into pieces, as well as strong downdrafts, heavy rain, severe icing, and heavy hail. The Gordon County Sheriff's department reported that debris from Crossfield's aircraft was found in three different locations within a quarter mile,[5] suggesting that the plane broke up while it was still in the air.
Holy hell.
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Ok, NM. I just Wiki'd. I heard about the story, but never really knew all of the details.
Holy hell.
Thunderstorms are no joke.