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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: cavegal on September 08, 2010, 03:14:10 PM
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What say you?
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If libs think it's such a great idea to burn the American flag, I say it's acceptable to burn the Koran.
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I say no and here's why: 1.) It will just inflame an already homicidal society and potentially cause harm to our troops; 2.) I don't advocate burning the flag or the Bible (or the Torah), either.
Is it illegal to do any of the above?? No. Is it the right thing to do?? Again, no.
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I'm ambivalent.
I supported "Everybody Draw Mohammed" Day and that had just as much potential to alienate work-a-day Muslims as the Koran burning.
I supported it because the little bastards need to be pushed back when they go around pushing everyone to conform to their brand of PC-ism. I'm tired of being told to walk on egg shells so why not just stomp some eggs in defiance.
OTOH, I'm not too keen on this preacher burning Korans.
I think the religious element of the perpetrator is adding a new dynamic in the minds of the target audience. If the Muslims were livid about a secular parody of Mohammed this seems to be ready to set them on edge.
I also think the MSM deliberately overplays the preacher angle to tarnish Christians and by proxy, conservatives as bigots.
It isn't a fair shake but it is what it is.
OTO-OH, remember the now debunked NewsWeak article about the Koran being flushed? That had its origins in secular circles but the rioting after the fact lead to several deaths. NewsWeak is repsonsible for those deaths though they may blanch at the admission.
Perhaps to the Muslim mind dissing Mohammed is one thing but dissing the Koran is beyond tolerance. That being said I believe this particular episode will be as bad if not worse than the NewsWeak article and US service memebers in Af-Pak will pay for it.
Let's I'm wrong.
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I think we'll see an increase in the number of attacks against Christians in Muslim countries, if an increase is possible, that is.
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I'm sure the RoE/equipment and tech. shortages will be set to hand out plenty of those Courageous Restraint medals once the ragheads get worked into a froth.
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Whew!!! When I selected "Burn it", I knew I would be in the minority.
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I'm ambivalent.
I supported "Everybody Draw Mohammed" Day and that had just as much potential to alienate work-a-day Muslims as the Koran burning.
I supported it because the little bastards need to be pushed back when they go around pushing everyone to conform to their brand of PC-ism. I'm tired of being told to walk on egg shells so why not just stomp some eggs in defiance.
OTOH, I'm not too keen on this preacher burning Korans.
I think the religious element of the perpetrator is adding a new dynamic in the minds of the target audience. If the Muslims were livid about a secular parody of Mohammed this seems to be ready to set them on edge.
I also think the MSM deliberately overplays the preacher angle to tarnish Christians and by proxy, conservatives as bigots.
It isn't a fair shake but it is what it is.
OTO-OH, remember the now debunked NewsWeak article about the Koran being flushed? That had its origins in secular circles but the rioting after the fact lead to several deaths. NewsWeak is repsonsible for those deaths though they may blanch at the admission.
Perhaps to the Muslim mind dissing Mohammed is one thing but dissing the Koran is beyond tolerance. That being said I believe this particular episode will be as bad if not worse than the NewsWeak article and US service memebers in Af-Pak will pay for it.
Let's I'm wrong.
Have to be on board with Mr. Snuggle Bunny with this one.
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Have to be on board with Mr. Snuggle Bunny with this one.
Wow. I am with MSB, Thor, and Ptarmigan on this.
Although I am not religious in one little teensy bone in my body, I firmly adhere to "Judge not, lest ye self be Judged." Gotta walk the high road on this. But that is JMHO. How can anyone who reveres the Bible condone the burning of the Koran? I am not saying I believe the Koran is sacred, I haven't even read it, but what I do know is that it is as sacred to the Muslims, as the Bible should be to Christians.
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1.) It will just inflame an already homicidal society and potentially cause harm to our troops
I'm totally with that point, and while I understand, and agree with a lot of the points made by those who say "Burn it" I also have to think of my views on building this Mosque in lower Manhattan. Both of these issues are not very well thought out, and insensitive. My blood absolutely boils everytime I hear about a leftist, or a diaper head burning an American flag. I can't condone lighting the Koran up.
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I say no and here's why: 1.) It will just inflame an already homicidal society and potentially cause harm to our troops; 2.) I don't advocate burning the flag or the Bible (or the Torah), either.
Is it illegal to do any of the above?? No. Is it the right thing to do?? Again, no.
What he said, and I agree with the homicidal floppy ear OTOOOH
Intresting to note that almost everyone who posted in this thread is against burning it..........yet the votes are almost 4:1 on burn it :tinfoil:
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I have no problem with this, sort of like burning the plans to bomb a child's care center.
This crap is an open door to the Muslim faith. An eye opener as to its actions.
These people are so wound up on their faith that they have lost their humanity, they are the product of 1500 years of brain washing.
These people demand 5 times of prayer a day. They have the script and follow it, little time to in life for a Muslim to think of much else .
I say BURN that damn book, it is Evil and has no place in the 2000's
If this burning is going to get fanitalic folks that upset, then we have found another under belly to attack.
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I'll just be glad when the whole nonsense is over with.
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Could this church have a link to Westboro Baptist Church? (http://wizbangblog.com/content/2010/09/08/koran-burning-church-linked-to-westboro-baptist.php)
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Could this church have a link to Westboro Baptist Church? (http://wizbangblog.com/content/2010/09/08/koran-burning-church-linked-to-westboro-baptist.php)
Interesting to note that Al Gore and Al Gore Sr. once had ties to WBC.
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Could this church have a link to Westboro Baptist Church? (http://wizbangblog.com/content/2010/09/08/koran-burning-church-linked-to-westboro-baptist.php)
Does it really matter what church has a link to another.?
I cannot see where this church is doing one damn thing illegal by the laws of the USA.
So what if they wish to burn any book they do not like----They have the right as do you or I.
Opponents say this will just cause riot's what ----
We Americans have handled riots before and Others say that we must coddle these people as they have the law on their side.
Give me a break this not a religious belief but a life style that is presented to the world as a faith.
With their oil and the dependency of the world at large it, they will do as they wish.
I do not like book burning in any way or any form. But in this case I do believe that by burning the Koran will give us an idea of what the Enemy is all about.
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I say burn it because it is about time America pushes back. Yes we have the greatest military on the planet (I'm sure they're touched that some of y'all are looking out for them...) but the world needs to know that Americans run this country, and Americans have had enough ***** footing around the "muslim street." F**K them. Look at the sh*t that Europe is going through with the muslims attempting to bring sharia law to France and the UK among others ---when are we going to say: enough is enough? When the first pro-sharia lawsuit wins in a NY or CA courtroom?.
50 fools burning a book doesn't make America any more a target then we already are. And our troops around the world have the tools they need to deal with any increased threat.
I don't think this pastor should have started this...but he did and backing down now would be, IMO, far worse then going forward.
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50 fools burning a book doesn't make America any more a target then we already are. And our troops around the world have the tools they need to deal with any increased threat.
I don't think this pastor should have started this...but he did and backing down now would be, IMO, far worse then going forward.
Good point to think on.
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I say burn it because it is about time America pushes back. Yes we have the greatest military on the planet (I'm sure they're touched that some of y'all are looking out for them...) but the world needs to know that Americans run this country, and Americans have had enough ***** footing around the "muslim street." F**K them. Look at the sh*t that Europe is going through with the muslims attempting to bring sharia law to France and the UK among others ---when are we going to say: enough is enough? When the first pro-sharia lawsuit wins in a NY or CA courtroom?.
50 fools burning a book doesn't make America any more a target then we already are. And our troops around the world have the tools they need to deal with any increased threat.
I don't think this pastor should have started this...but he did and backing down now would be, IMO, far worse then going forward.
I disagree , the pastor had the responsibility to insure that Christinanity is not attacked. This is his job to bring the story of Jesus to his people and then to attack those that those, WHO wish to bring down Jesus.
Burning the books is a symbolic action, non terrorist or in any way in your face.
\ Can anyone tell me this is not collective insanity or mind control when people half a world away riot about a single man who lives thousads of miles away decides to burn what to them is a holy book.
/give me s break that book is in no need of protection, regardless of who decides to burn it there are thousands of them for the public
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Our problem is we go around thinking if we don't piss off the bully in the school yard he'll leave us alone and we'll have lunch money. But everybody knows sometimes you have to pop the MFer square in the nose before the sh*t stops.
Muslims THINK ALL CHRISTIANS SHOULD BE DEAD OR SLAVES - THAT"S WHAT THEY ARE TAUGHT. How is burning their book going to make it worse? And again, I'm not saying it's going to make it better, but why should America care if islam hates us more, no matter what they'll NEVER like us??
America has been asking for a few days less then 9 years now "where are the moderate muslims?" The short answer is there are none.
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I say burn it because it is about time America pushes back. Yes we have the greatest military on the planet (I'm sure they're touched that some of y'all are looking out for them...) but the world needs to know that Americans run this country, and Americans have had enough ***** footing around the "muslim street." F**K them. Look at the sh*t that Europe is going through with the muslims attempting to bring sharia law to France and the UK among others ---when are we going to say: enough is enough? When the first pro-sharia lawsuit wins in a NY or CA courtroom?.
50 fools burning a book doesn't make America any more a target then we already are. And our troops around the world have the tools they need to deal with any increased threat.
I don't think this pastor should have started this...but he did and backing down now would be, IMO, far worse then going forward.
You raise a good point.
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Burn baby burn. 9/11 is a special day for Americans and if a book burning pisses off Muzzies tough shit. I don't want the mosque to be built at ground zero. So, if these wackos want to fire up a bunch of books, let them have at it. The idea that insulting these pissants is going to put American troops in danger is idiotic. I am insulted that Obama and Bloomy bend over backwards to appease Muslims, and turn around and kick Christians in the ass.
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Can anyone tell me this is not collective insanity or mind control when people half a world away riot about a single man who lives thousads of miles away decides to burn what to them is a holy book.
Hell yes it is insanity. Of the highest order. Howeer, that's what you get when you have a television network that breeds hate, and uses only stories like this on their broadcasts to stream hate to the masses.
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I don't agree with symbolism, book of flag burning is like a shoving match in a playground sooner or later someone has to get knocked out for it to end. I say leave God alone and just kill em!
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If we are serious about not allowing the Muslim "faith" to take over the world, then we have to pray that we act in God's will. But we also have to act with courage, not the quaking fear exhibited by the left. Most that object to this act of free speech have far less problem with a similar act committed against any object sacred to Christians, or even to our entire country. This isn't an expression of tolerance toward the Muslim beliefs...this is an expression of fear. If we anger them, they'll kill us. OK...and if we don't anger them, they'll rule us. Better dead. Anyone that would sacrifice their freedom of speech, or the American freedom of speech, in fear, deserves to become a slave.
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^ Just to let you know, I'm not arguing against the freedom of speech aspect, and I could give a shit less about angering Muslims. I just think as a country, we are better than a demonstration such as this.
As a counterdemonstration to a Florida pastor's plans to burn copies of the Quran on Saturday, Father Jim Murphy of St. Mary's Catholic Church in Portage said he'll host an educational gathering about the Muslim holy book on Friday.
http://www.wiscnews.com/portagedailyregister/news/article_f9beb64a-bbcc-11df-a142-001cc4c002e0.html
Son of a bitch!!
I don't see why anyone has to counter this pastor in Florida. People can take the opinions they want to take, but Jeez! Why the heck do we have to open up the Koran, and read from it just because some guy decides he's going to burn it a couple thousand miles south of us?!
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Who wants to bet that while the Pastor got national attention, this won't...
I don't support this, but bias of the media is rampant.
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If we are serious about not allowing the Muslim "faith" to take over the world, then we have to pray that we act in God's will. But we also have to act with courage, not the quaking fear exhibited by the left. Most that object to this act of free speech have far less problem with a similar act committed against any object sacred to Christians, or even to our entire country. This isn't an expression of tolerance toward the Muslim beliefs...this is an expression of fear. If we anger them, they'll kill us. OK...and if we don't anger them, they'll rule us. Better dead. Anyone that would sacrifice their freedom of speech, or the American freedom of speech, in fear, deserves to become a slave.
Exactly !!!
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I think burning Korans is silly. What point, exactly, are you making?
I think it's an asshole move. It makes the members of that church no better than those animals who burn American flags, or effigies, or crosses for that matter. It's a pointless, attention-whore move.
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I think burning Korans is silly. What point, exactly, are you making?
I think it's an asshole move. It makes the members of that church no better than those animals who burn American flags, or effigies, or crosses for that matter. It's a pointless, attention-whore move.
:hi5:
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In all honesty, I just want to piss off the liberals.
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I think burning Korans is silly. What point, exactly, are you making?
I think it's an asshole move. It makes the members of that church no better than those animals who burn American flags, or effigies, or crosses for that matter. It's a pointless, attention-whore move.
I think it's just a start in the fight against Muslims. They are embarrassed by what they believe in. That's why all the blasphemy laws in Muslim countries. That's why they demand we bow to their demands for respect. All you have to do is read a passage from the Koran or tell the recorded truth about the prophet Moo-hammed and they're rioting in the streets.
I think the only way to defeat Islam and Muslims is just tell the truth about their religion, reticule it and their prophet, make fun of them and they will do something we militarily can't do, destroy themselves..
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It's completely legal, however it's also childish, petulant, has absolutely no potential to accomplish anything positive for anyone beyond reverend fur-face himself. It will go a long way to undoing ten years of our blood and effort in SW Asia trying to show Muslims around the world that we stand for doing the right thing. As a whole, Muslims around the world will not make a distinction between one hillbilly's actions vs. our whole country any better than most of our citizens do when the shoe is on the other foot.
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It's completely legal, however it's also childish, petulant, has absolutely no potential to accomplish anything positive for anyone beyond reverend fur-face himself. It will go a long way to undoing ten years of our blood and effort in SW Asia trying to show Muslims around the world that we stand for doing the right thing. As a whole, Muslims around the world will not make a distinction between one hillbilly's actions vs. our whole country any better than most of our citizens do when the shoe is on the other foot.
Exactly!! :II:
Honestly, I could GAF what this pastor does. He has every LEGAL right to do it (except I guess from the Fire Marshall). Again, I ask, is it morally right? We've always been taught that two wrongs don't make it right. I don't like Islam. Christianity has it's skeletons in its closet, too. I suppose I should just say that I don't like or trust "organized religion".
People that don't THINK that this action will inflame the idiots in the Middle East, they'd better think again. There are already protests and borderline riots over this. BUT......... that does prove that Muslims aren't as "tolerant" & "peaceful" as they'd like everybody to believe. The biggest thing, IMO, is that Muslims, worldwide, need to become VERY vocal about stomping out radical Islam. There have been some rumblings, but it's not widespread enough at the moment to really mean anything.
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It's completely legal, however it's also childish, petulant, has absolutely no potential to accomplish anything positive for anyone beyond reverend fur-face himself. It will go a long way to undoing ten years of our blood and effort in SW Asia trying to show Muslims around the world that we stand for doing the right thing. As a whole, Muslims around the world will not make a distinction between one hillbilly's actions vs. our whole country any better than most of our citizens do when the shoe is on the other foot.
Couldn't say it any better myself. Ditto.
This shitbird is no different than Phelps...attention whoring, nothing more.
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The biggest thing, IMO, is that Muslims, worldwide, need to become VERY vocal about stomping out radical Islam. There have been some rumblings, but it's not widespread enough at the moment to really mean anything.
What rumblings? Muslims ARE Islam. Islam IS radical. The reason the that those that are not total whack jobs don't speak out is they will be killed too, how do you deal with a "religion" like that?
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Interesting article, perhaps a strawman, but still interesting:
U.S. military burned unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan
http://www.macombdaily.com/articles/2010/09/09/news/doc4c88f39f4df6d756130819.txt
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Now that he's started it he should go through with it.
As for the 'we might anger them' reasoning - what else is new? They're angry period. Honestly, I don't see how this childish act can inflame Muslims any more than they are naturally.
Muslims want the rest of the world either dead or submissive to Islam. There's no middle ground with them.
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I think we'll see an increase in the number of attacks against Christians in Muslim countries, if an increase is possible, that is.
Which proves--as their recent burning of American flags proves, and the need for an Interpol alert proves--that Terry Jones is 100% correct about Islam. An unhappy thing for those victims of Islamic intolerance and violence, but this is the plain truth.
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Radical muslims hate us and would love to destroy our way of life and impose theirs on us. Given that they hate us anyway, now will they really, really hate us?
The amusing thing I note in all of this is the duplicity of the MSM. Were this a burning of Bibles, the MSM would be ho-hum, Barry Obummer would not be taking a stand on it and it would be a non-story.
From a personal viewpoint, I am against the "preacher" burning the Korans however, I also view the Ground Zero Mosque as a provocation.
Appeasement never works with Muslims, Democrats or Libtards.
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I say no and here's why: 1.) It will just inflame an already homicidal society and potentially cause harm to our troops; 2.) I don't advocate burning the flag or the Bible (or the Torah), either.
Is it illegal to do any of the above?? No. Is it the right thing to do?? Again, no.
Exactly! Don't burn my Flag, don't burn my Bible, and if I stick to the same values, don't burn their Koran.
Nuff said.......
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Apparently the GZ mosque builders and the Koran burners have come to an agreement:
Quran burning canceled; mosque near Ground Zero to move? (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/quran-burning-canceled-mosque-near-ground-zero-to-906473.html)
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Exactly!! :II:
Honestly, I could GAF what this pastor does. He has every LEGAL right to do it (except I guess from the Fire Marshall). Again, I ask, is it morally right? We've always been taught that two wrongs don't make it right. I don't like Islam. Christianity has it's skeletons in its closet, too. I suppose I should just say that I don't like or trust "organized religion".
People that don't THINK that this action will inflame the idiots in the Middle East, they'd better think again. There are already protests and borderline riots over this. BUT......... that does prove that Muslims aren't as "tolerant" & "peaceful" as they'd like everybody to believe. The biggest thing, IMO, is that Muslims, worldwide, need to become VERY vocal about stomping out radical Islam. There have been some rumblings, but it's not widespread enough at the moment to really mean anything.
I have to admit, if I could lose my head to some nutball in my church because of my adverse opinion, I may not say anything either. Numbers is what they need. Unfortunately, the Muslim faith is such, that you have no idea whether your buddy is a radical or a moderate.
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Apparently the GZ mosque builders and the Koran burners have come to an agreement:
Quran burning canceled; mosque near Ground Zero to move? (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/quran-burning-canceled-mosque-near-ground-zero-to-906473.html)
I'll believe it when I see it. Until then , I think the mosque moving is just a ruse to get the Koran burning stopped.
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Apparently the GZ mosque builders and the Koran burners have come to an agreement:
Quran burning canceled; mosque near Ground Zero to move? (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/quran-burning-canceled-mosque-near-ground-zero-to-906473.html)
The FBI paid him a visit today. I'd have loved to be a fly on that wall.
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The Saudi-funded mosque builder slipped the old al-Taqqiyah trick past the infidel once again.
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Apparently the GZ mosque builders and the Koran burners have come to an agreement:
Quran burning canceled; mosque near Ground Zero to move? (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/quran-burning-canceled-mosque-near-ground-zero-to-906473.html)
I'd like to point out they are also threatening reprisals if they don't build it!
Bring it on Muzzies, bring it on!
Take a look at what happened to your last martyr. He may not be dead, ( a fact not yet proven, BTW ), but he sure as hell can't walk around in the free world!
Don't know about everyone else, but I don't like having to squat in the bushes to take a crap!
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Trump (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129757971&ft=1&f=1001) Offers To Buy Out Investor In Mosque Site.
AP article.
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"We have instilled fear in the infidels heart."......that's what all the muzzies will be thinking......."So, the job's half done."
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Trump (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129757971&ft=1&f=1001) Offers To Buy Out Investor In Mosque Site.
AP article.
I'm sure those extra AKs and RPGs Donald offered to buy will come in handy for the conquest.
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I'm sure those extra AKs and RPGs Donald offered to buy will come in handy for the conquest.
Hey, they're only buying them to keep them off the streets and out of the hands of those evil christians, you know.
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The Saudi-funded mosque builder slipped the old al-Taqqiyah trick past the infidel once again.
Isn't that the truth.
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**** THE RELIGION OF EVIL.* I don't curse much, but this is one instance I feel like I have to. I have had it with this damnable, backwards, primitive, barracks religion/political doctrine. Damn them all. The world would be so much cleaner, so very much cleaner, if this piece of trash had never been created.
*That's Islam, just in case there was any confusion.
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Westboro Baptist Church to burn Qurans if Dove doesn't
http://www.ocala.com/article/20100909/ARTICLES/100909743/1412?Title=Westboro-Baptish-Church-to-burn-Qurans-if-Dove-doesn-t
Westboro Baptist Church, the small Topeka, Kan., church that pickets funerals of American soldiers to spread its message that God is punishing the country for being tolerant of homosexuals, has vowed to hold a Quran burning if Gainesville's Dove World Outreach Center calls its off."WBC burned the Koran once – and if you sissy brats of Doomed america bully Terry Jones and the Dove World Outreach Center until they change their plans to burn that blasphemous tripe called the Koran, then WBC will burn it (again), to clearly show you some things," the church announced in a news release this week.
And Jones in the last day has indicated some reluctance to burn the Muslim holy book.
The Canadian Press reported Thursday that in an interview with a Canadian radio station, Jones said the church was considering calling it off.
"We are very much in prayer about it. There is the possibility, of course, that we will not do it," Jones was quoted as saying
I am sure FBI visit soon to follow!
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He's called it off. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/09/obama-calls-plan-burn-korans-stunt-urges-pastor/)
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http://www.cnn.com/
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Muslims burning the Bible...
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I will Never Forget watching this. Then this verse came to me: Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
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Pastor says Quran-burning suspended, not canceled
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/quran_burning;_ylt=AnSw95ZeQBc9VSTIXWTVJk1H2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTJzNGxzY2RqBGFzc2V0Ay9zL2FwL3F1cmFuX2J1cm5pbmcEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwMxBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDcGFzdG9yc2F5c3F1
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*****.
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What?! He's delayed this?! The Muslim street won't be happy!
What?! He's canceled this?! The Muslim street won't be happy!
What?! He's burned a stupid book?! The Muslim street won't be happy!
~~Just covering all my bases in advance.
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Yes! Jones does rethink. THIS is how you deal witht the bastards. This is how they deal with us. A thing for a thing. Quid pro quo. I don't care how mahy fools condemn him. He's flawed--well who isn't. He's the only one I've seen here domestically to step forward with the GUTS to show them we hate them right back!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/10/3008109.htm
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What?! He's delayed this?! The Muslim street won't be happy!
What?! He's canceled this?! The Muslim street won't be happy!
What?! He's burned a stupid book?! The Muslim street won't be happy!
~~Just covering all my bases in advance.
Every time I see them riot I sense they are clearly insecure, bitter, vindictive, and rageful, like many leftists are.
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Every time I see them riot I sense they are clearly insecure, bitter, vindictive, and rageful, like many leftists are.
Maybe that's why our far left, lunatic, distant cousins like the Muzzies so much?
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Yes! Jones does rethink. THIS is how you deal witht the bastards. This is how they deal with us. A thing for a thing. Quid pro quo. I don't care how mahy fools condemn him. He's flawed--well who isn't. He's the only one I've seen here domestically to step forward with the GUTS to show them we hate them right back!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/10/3008109.htm
I hate them too. With a passion. But is it worth starting another major conflict?
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I hate them too. With a passion. But is it worth starting another major conflict?
What conflict would this start?
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What conflict would this start?
I've been listening to the MSM up here and they're saying that it has the potential of turning into something much bigger. Just be careful and of sound mind, because there are a lot of nutjobs out there.
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If this whole deal ends up with the mosque being moved away from Ground Zero, I'd say we owe this pastor a big pat on the back.
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Interesting article, perhaps a strawman, but still interesting:
U.S. military burned unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan
http://www.macombdaily.com/articles/2010/09/09/news/doc4c88f39f4df6d756130819.txt
A better read: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/index.html
The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States were confiscated about a year ago at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan because military rules forbid troops of any religion from proselytizing while deployed there, Lt. Col. Mark Wright said.
Such religious outreach can endanger American troops and civilians in the devoutly Muslim nation, Wright said.
"The decision was made that it was a 'force protection' measure to throw them away, because, if they did get out, it could be perceived by Afghans that the U.S. government or the U.S. military was trying to convert Muslims," Wright told CNN on Tuesday.
Troops at posts in war zones are required to burn their trash, Wright said.
The Bibles were written in the languages Pashto and Dari.
Therein lies the problem. It's against regs to proselytize. These bibles weren't meant for our troops but sent in an attempt to convert Muslims. At first, the title of the article made me very angry. After reading it, I understood why. In a way, I HOPE that the Muslims here in America TRY to start some shit. 80% of Americans are Christian. I don't think they'd get very far with any type of malfeasance.
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Maybe that's why our far left, lunatic, distant cousins like the Muzzies so much?
That explains a lot.
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Maybe that's why our far left, lunatic, distant cousins like the Muzzies so much?
Barack Hussein Obama and the Koran: now he looks like an intermediary between America and Islam
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100052996/barack-hussein-obama-and-the-koran-now-he-looks-like-an-intermediary-between-america-and-islam/
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Barack Hussein Obama and the Koran: now he looks like an intermediary between America and Islam
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100052996/barack-hussein-obama-and-the-koran-now-he-looks-like-an-intermediary-between-america-and-islam/
I'd be more impressed with the :censored: pompous hypocrite if he'd made as big a deal over ANY of the slams to Christianity...but that would require that he stops covering crosses and preaching about the ignorant hanging onto their guns and Bibles. :thatsright:
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I've been listening to the MSM up here and they're saying that it has the potential of turning into something much bigger. Just be careful and of sound mind, because there are a lot of nutjobs out there.
Well you keep worrying about what might happen and pretty soon we're all growing mandatory beards.
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I think burning Korans is silly. What point, exactly, are you making?
I think it's an asshole move. It makes the members of that church no better than those animals who burn American flags, or effigies, or crosses for that matter. It's a pointless, attention-whore move.
Ahem...`cuse me...if *I* catch you burning an American flag, I may spat upon you, I may call you every four-letter name in the Qur`an, I may even piss on your shoes. BUTT!!!! I would NEVER behead you or one of your family members. Most likely, I would just walk away...
Savvy...Ironically?
(please do NOT take this as a personal attack...just a post to prove a point...a point that is apparently sorely missing here...AND...will be made shortly...)
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In all honesty, I just want to piss off the liberals.
Is that so wrong?
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Westboro Baptist Church to burn Qurans if Dove doesn't
http://www.ocala.com/article/20100909/ARTICLES/100909743/1412?Title=Westboro-Baptish-Church-to-burn-Qurans-if-Dove-doesn-t
I am sure FBI visit soon to follow!
GO...GO...GO!!!
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I cannot believe some of the shit I have read in this thread!
The Koran is NOT a holy book! It is "Mein Kampf" x20000 on steroids.
The Nazi cult murdered 12 million people in eight years. The democrat party supporting muslim islam cult has murdered more than 200 MILLION people in the past five thousand years.
Priorities??
Some of you here, please tell me you support a CULT doctrine that DEMANDS women are NOT allowed an education, (keep `em stupid), a career, and be forced to bag their heads in public! Then allow *ME* a 50 year-old man to marry YOUR eight year-old daughter, FORCIBLY, then do with with her as I wish.
If you are gay, I will cut your head off.
If you are a female, a woman DOG that is, and I 'accuse' you of adultery, I will wrap you 'head-to-waist' in a white sheet, bury you to your mid-chest in a hole, then allow my 50 male Muslim Islamic fanatic 'peaceful' loving followers to throw golf-ball sized stones at your head - making sure it takes an hour or more to kill you. Surely, we Koran following life-lovers don't want you female dogs to die too quickly.
There is nothing 'peaceful' about Islam. It is the duty of every freedom loving citizen to reject it and DEMAND Islam be eradicated from the planet.
As an aside - there are searchable web sites where you can order free copies on the Koran in both English and Arabic.
In 2005, I ordered two English copies. Got `em in five days.
I promptly took digital pictures of me urinating, defecating, and wiping my ass on pages of that Koran. Even took pictures of wiping the Koran on a pound of bacon.
I did the same with pages from a bible a friend gave me.
Using a proxy server (for good reasons) I posted the Koran pics on a University of Oregon (Eugene, OR) Muslim message board. Within two days, I had 50+ responses - 48 of them calling for my death!
I posted the bible pics to the same university but a Christian message board.
In two days, I received three messages - two of which asked me why I was so angry and a reach-out as to what Christianity was all about. The other just told me to go away.
It is the DUTY of all Americans to DENOUNCE all forms of Islam and do whatever it takes to eradicate it from the planet. Picking 'peaceful' portions out of the Koran and then jumping up-and-down while shouting, "see!! it *IS* a peaceful religion" is only so much delusional bullshit!
IT IS ALL BAD!
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I hate them too. With a passion. But is it worth starting another major conflict?
But this wouldn't be starting anything. It's a long overdue response in kind, and a fairly mild one at that.
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I personally would be armed if I was attending. However, the only major thing to worry about is to make sure the fire was out before you left...
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I hate them too. With a passion. But is it worth starting another major conflict?
STARTING a major conflict? Hey, Dumbass. They already started it. Maybe we should join in.
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Rackspace pulls church’s website (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/rackspace_caught_in_quran_controversy_102581089.html)
A San Antonio company found itself sucked into the controversy over the Dove World Outreach Center's planned burning of religious texts.
Rackspace Hosting Inc. hosted the Florida church's website, but stopped providing services late Wednesday after determining the Dove World Outreach Center violated a provision in its contract regarding hate speech, a Rackspace spokesman said.
My San Antonio News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/rackspace_caught_in_quran_controversy_102581089.html)
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Rackspace pulls church’s website (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/rackspace_caught_in_quran_controversy_102581089.html)
A San Antonio company found itself sucked into the controversy over the Dove World Outreach Center's planned burning of religious texts.
Rackspace Hosting Inc. hosted the Florida church's website, but stopped providing services late Wednesday after determining the Dove World Outreach Center violated a provision in its contract regarding hate speech, a Rackspace spokesman said.
My San Antonio News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/rackspace_caught_in_quran_controversy_102581089.html)
IMO, they are merely kowtowing to the false outrage & doing what is politically expedient.
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I don't think the Koran should be burnt by a bunch of Christians.
All that does is sink those Christians to the same level as those who burn the American Flag or the Bible. I would like to think the majority of us are better than that.
On the chance that it would increase the harm to our military folks scattered around the world, and particularly those in the MidEast....is it really worth it? I think not.
The terroristic Muslims are well aware of our opinion of them, burning their holy book does nothing except to make Americans look worse to other countries outside of the MidEast. We portray ourselves as better than many countries....if we're going to do the talk, we need to also do the walk.
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I don't think the Koran should be burnt by a bunch of Christians.
All that does is sink those Christians to the same level as those who burn the American Flag or the Bible. I would like to think the majority of us are better than that.
Debk, with respect, I'd like to suggest that this same reasoning could be used to say, "he's shooting at me. I shouldn't shoot back, because I'd be 'sinking to his level.'"
We ARE "better than that." Even if we respond in kind--and you may know I'm not a Christian--we'll still be better, because we are not the instigators. That fact--that we are not the aggressors--makes all the difference in the world. As for their knowing how we feel about them, yes, maybe they do, but the point of this is to mortally insult them as much as possible, as they have so often done to us and do daily. The insult is an end in itself.
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Debk, with respect, I'd like to suggest that this same reasoning could be used to say, "he's shooting at me. I shouldn't shoot back, because I'd be 'sinking to his level.'"
We ARE "better than that." Even if we respond in kind--and you may know I'm not a Christian--we'll still be better, because we are not the instigators. That fact--that we are not the aggressors--makes all the difference in the world. As for their knowing how we feel about them, yes, maybe they do, but the point of this is to mortally insult them as much as possible, as they have so often done to us and do daily. The insult is an end in itself.
Nope...if I had a gun ( I don't own one) and somebody shot at me, I'd shoot back....and hope I killed the son of a bitch.
I just think to burn a book revered by many is....(We all know that not every single Muslim is not an evil person. Probably not even a majority are. Different yes, evil and crazy? No).....is a childish act. Just as is burning a country's flag, a leader in effigy, a Bible or Constitution, regardless of who does it. When a bunch of so-called adults do stuff like this, to me it's kind of a cowardly act, which is ultimately a good thing. Human beings are not physically hurt when stuff like this is done....all it does is make the do-er and his co-horts, feel important and powerful in their own mind, and offend and create moral outrage in the individuals who have respect for what was burned.
A Koran is just a book to me, full of words....it is not "Holy" to me. The Bible, however, is "Holy" to me, yet it is not to you. To you, it's just a book of words, which you may or may not respect. That is your choice. I, personally, am not going to be offended either way....but that's just me. Though I am not a Jew, I respect the Torah, as it is a "Holy" book to many of my friends, and to many people that I respect.
Your argument is that it makes a "statement", that it's a mortal insult. It may be a moral insult, but not a mortal one.
Gathering up all of the evil leaders that could be found....put them in a building and blow it up....that would be a mortal insult ...and one I would have no trouble standing behind.
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I watched some of msnbc last night Keif and madow, I am always amazed how they think. The poor mooselimbs. why are they cowtowing to them(mooselimbs)? they will be the first in line to be stoned killed beheaded, it just ALWAYS BOGGLES MY ITTY BITTY BRAIN! It hurts now! :-)
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I watched some of msnbc last night Keif and madow, I am always amazed how they think. The poor mooselimbs. why are they cowtowing to them(mooselimbs)? they will be the first in line to be stoned killed beheaded, it just ALWAYS BOGGLES MY ITTY BITTY BRAIN! It hurts now! :-)
Uselful Idiots.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/Useful%20Idiots/UsefulIdiots.jpg)
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Uselful Idiots.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/ColonialMarine/Useful%20Idiots/UsefulIdiots.jpg)
great jpgs! ColonialMarine! Useful idiots that will run for cover when they are being rounded up and want help from us!
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great jpgs! ColonialMarine! Useful idiots that will run for cover when they are being rounded up and want help from us!
I called someone on Facebook a useful idiot after he could'nt refute the facts and links to back them up that the democRATs share the majority blame in the housing meltdown. He resorted to calling me a racist (what else is new) when I said Obama is an idiot. I retorted, "No I'm not. I think he's an idiot on his white half too." (I called him a Useful Idiot after he called me a racist.
He "un-friended" me. :lmao:
I was sooo crushed. /sarcasm
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I called someone on Facebook a useful idiot after he could'nt refute the facts and links to back them up that the democRATs share the majority blame in the housing meltdown. He resorted to calling me a racist (what else is new) when I said Obama is an idiot. I retorted, "No I'm not. I think he's an idiot on his white half too." (I called him a Useful Idiot after he called me a racist.
He "un-friended" me. :lmao:
I was sooo crushed. /sarcasm
You're better off. Don't need "friends" like that anyways. :-) :cheersmate:
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A Koran is just a book to me, full of words....it is not "Holy" to me. The Bible, however, is "Holy" to me, yet it is not to you. To you, it's just a book of words, which you may or may not respect. That is your choice. I, personally, am not going to be offended either way....but that's just me. Though I am not a Jew, I respect the Torah, as it is a "Holy" book to many of my friends, and to many people that I respect.
Not going to respond to the other stuff because I want to let it go, Debk; when I agree with (and like) someone as much as I do you, I just want to let minor disagreements lie after a bit. We've said our peaces.
I just wanted to clarify (to avoid any possible confusion), though, that I respect both Biblical Testaments very much, and also Christianity generally, as well as Judaism (wherein we have the oddity that, whether you believe or not, you're a Jew as long as your folks were, as mine were [or even if just your mother is Jewish]). On balance, Christianity has wrought far more good in the world than bad throughout all its history--which unequivocally CANNOT be said of vile Islam. And for my part, I AM offended by Bible burning, both because I am part of the civilization of the Judaeo-Christian tradition, and on behalf of, and as solidarity with, Christian friends. I just meant I'm not actually a believer, which I thought you knew.
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Not going to respond to the other stuff because I want to let it go, Debk; when I agree with (and like) someone as much as I do you, I just want to let minor disagreements lie after a bit. We've said our peaces.
I just wanted to clarify (to avoid any possible confusion), though, that I respect both Biblical Testaments very much, and also Christianity generally, as well as Judaism (wherein we have the oddity that, whether you believe or not, you're a Jew as long as your folks were, as mine were [or even if just your mother is Jewish]). On balance, Christianity has wrought far more good in the world than bad throughout all its history--which unequivocally CANNOT be said of vile Islam. And for my part, I AM offended by Bible burning, both because I am part of the civilization of the Judaeo-Christian tradition, and on behalf of, and as solidarity with, Christian friends. I just meant I'm not actually a believer, which I thought you knew.
I think we may have mis-understood each other.
First though, as far as I am concerned all is good between you and I. We may have differing opinions, but I don't consider our comments as a disagreement. I hope that you don't, and I certainly did not mean to offend you. If I did, I am so sorry. I have too much respect for you to deliberately offend you. :blowkiss:
I am aware, that Judaism is "passed" through the mother. My best friend is Jewish, my son's Godfather is Jewish, and I had dear friends growing up that were Jewish. If I was not a Catholic, I would probably opt for Judiasm. I did not know if you were a "believer"(?) in God, organized religion, or not...as I guess, if you have mentioned not being, it hasn't registered beyond a specific discussion. Choice of faith/religion or lack of, is way down the list, in how I view another person and their character.
I, too, am very offended when the Bible, or the Torah, is burned, our flag, our president in effigy. I think it is wrong - morally wrong. But my outrage, my anger, is not going to stop someone from doing it.... particularly as it is legal in this country.
When I said that I was not offended by your choice...I meant that I respect your right to have your own beliefs, regardless of what they are. I cannot, nor should I even try, to force... or even expect, you or anyone else to believe as I do. I think faith, choice of religion, is an intensely personal decision. I was brought up to respect another's faith/religion, and to never be inquisitive or judgemental of their choice.
I would like others to respect my faith and it's symbols, but I cannot force another to do that. Nor will I be forced to respect another's....in particular, Islam.
I have always felt that respect should be given with caution, until it is earned....and taken away, or not given, if not warranted. It cannot be gained by force, which is what the Islamic terrorists are trying to do to the non-Muslim world, by trying to terrorize us into believing as they do. That is turn, is why people will never respect Islam...it is based too much on violence. It will never work and sadly, a lot of people will continue to die because of it, just as they have for centuries.
Still friends? :shucks:
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Imagine walking into your bosses office (or an employee coming into your office if your the boss) and saying: "If you don't give me a raise I'll quit!"
99 times out of a hundred you'll be told polity to leave the office without a raise, and if you quit so be it.
The reason you don't get the raise is because your boss can't afford to be held hostage, it's suicide if you will.
Now repeat after me: We can't burn a book because the Muslims will riot and it puts people in danger. Same premise applies here, we as a nation and a society have been held hostage by words and P.C. bull$hit. We are better then them, we can prove it, and the very fact that we are better means we must stop them before its too late to.
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It is amusing how this national debate has drifted so far from the reality of religious life, and into the arena of politics, and propaganda.
As some of you here know, my wife and I lived in an Islamic country some years ago......a very strict one, governed under the Wahhabi version of Sharia Law.
Since we lived in a "compound", and it was no secret that we were not Muslim, every week (usually on Saturday) in each of our family mailboxes, would be placed a small, paperbound copy of the Quran translated into either English, or German (we could never figure out why German), each reverently wrapped in a small purple cloth. The general speculation was that they were placed there by the "religious police", as a reminder of where (and who) we were.
Needless to say, after a while, we had accumulated quite a collection of Qurans, and a box was placed nearby to collect them until we could decide on the appropriate manner to dispose of, or return them.
There was a coffee shop on the street level of our office building, where locals, as well as our employees would gather frequently for breaks, and lunch, which was occasionally frequented by the Imam from the Mosque across the street.
One day, several of us were having a cup, when the Imam entered, so we invited him to our table, and after the appropriate Arab formalities, we discussed several topics of mutual interest, and one of my coworkers brought up the subject of the rather large collection of copies of the Quran that we had accumulated, and asked if he would like to have them to be used amongst his congregation.
He replied that as they were "gifts" to us it would be inappropriate for us to give them to him......in light of that fact, we asked what would be the proper manner in which to dispose of them, he replied with a sly grin......
"You have an incinerator......burn them.......they are "Holy" only to those who chose to make them so, otherwise they are just a book, and even in this counrty you are free to do what you want with a book"
We found his words more than wise, and perhaps this present debate could be governed by such wisdom.......
doc
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Now repeat after me: We can't burn a book because the Muslims will riot and it puts people in danger. Same premise applies here, we as a nation and a society have been held hostage by words and P.C. bull$hit. We are better then them, we can prove it, and the very fact that we are better means we must stop them before its too late to.
This is not the reason I myself am against burning the Koran.
There are wackjobs over there who will riot at the slightest provocation; it's not like one act will result in them hating the West any more than they do now.
I have a friend who is Pakistani. He came to this country long before I was born. He is the father of three beautiful daughters. I know he follows at least some of the rules of Islam. He doesn't eat pork. He follows the fasting of Rammadan. He doesn't wear a beard. His children do not wear Islamic garb.
I'm a Roman Catholic with Irish and Italian roots. I've never asked him whether his church group has protested the extremism of some of the purveyors of his faith. How can I be sure that those who use terrorism and cloak it in Islam are different than the IRA who cloaked terrorism in Catholicism, the Japanese kamaazi who bastardized the Bushido code into something horrific, or the members of the Westboro Baptist Church who call themselves "Christian"?
Maybe I'm naive. I know Islam hasn't gone through a Reformation like the other major religions have.
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I say don't burn it because it won't accomplish anything other than giving libs another thing to whine about.
However I say he has the right to do it since the lefties can burn the American Flag.
As for this event inciting more violence it will do just that even though it has been called off last I heard. The goons over there will use this as just another excuse to kill people over. Just the fact that Jones has the intent will be enough.
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I think we may have mis-understood each other.
First though, as far as I am concerned all is good between you and I. We may have differing opinions, but I don't consider our comments as a disagreement. I hope that you don't, and I certainly did not mean to offend you. If I did, I am so sorry. I have too much respect for you to deliberately offend you. :blowkiss:
I am aware, that Judaism is "passed" through the mother. My best friend is Jewish, my son's Godfather is Jewish, and I had dear friends growing up that were Jewish. If I was not a Catholic, I would probably opt for Judiasm. I did not know if you were a "believer"(?) in God, organized religion, or not...as I guess, if you have mentioned not being, it hasn't registered beyond a specific discussion. Choice of faith/religion or lack of, is way down the list, in how I view another person and their character.
I, too, am very offended when the Bible, or the Torah, is burned, our flag, our president in effigy. I think it is wrong - morally wrong. But my outrage, my anger, is not going to stop someone from doing it.... particularly as it is legal in this country.
When I said that I was not offended by your choice...I meant that I respect your right to have your own beliefs, regardless of what they are. I cannot, nor should I even try, to force... or even expect, you or anyone else to believe as I do. I think faith, choice of religion, is an intensely personal decision. I was brought up to respect another's faith/religion, and to never be inquisitive or judgemental of their choice.
I would like others to respect my faith and it's symbols, but I cannot force another to do that. Nor will I be forced to respect another's....in particular, Islam.
I have always felt that respect should be given with caution, until it is earned....and taken away, or not given, if not warranted. It cannot be gained by force, which is what the Islamic terrorists are trying to do to the non-Muslim world, by trying to terrorize us into believing as they do. That is turn, is why people will never respect Islam...it is based too much on violence. It will never work and sadly, a lot of people will continue to die because of it, just as they have for centuries.
Still friends? :shucks:
Oh my gosh! Of course we're still friends! No you didn't offend me, not one little bit, not an iota, moiety, or really teeny thingy, and yes of course everything is good between us! I was just 'splainin what I was talking about, and evidently not doing a very good job of it. I wanted to explain the part about belief--since I have none, and I thought you'd misunderstood me--but didn't want to offend you by simply ignoring the meat of your comment completely; thus my little explanation of why I wasn't commenting further.
Is this an Alphonse and Gaston routine, or what?
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Not sure I understand this anymore.
I have reread the intire forum again and one thing keeps giving me a hard time.
This faith caused a dozen or so believers to burn to death in one way or another thousands of our citizens--Right ?
Now one person in this country says he will burn a freeking book, their Holy book of one out of millions in print world wide.
Tomorrow I will buy or better yet steal a Koran, and cook BBQ ribs over it. Then I shall dance with glee as the Muslims did after killing my people by fire, smoke and explosion.
I just do not know what this generation of Americans has turned into.
Bunch of girley-boys. Yes we will fight back when we are personally assaulted ,but , when it comes to strangers--- we just feel sorry for their loss and hope the cops find the bad guys.
Give me a chance to set their little asses on fire.
Cargo planes with millions of leaflets that are to dropped on their nasty heads---- --------- Attention------
For each American service male or female killed or injured by your people, 100 books of the Koran will be burnt. Within 24 hours of the burning photos of the action shall be dropped on your Mosques. It will then be on your heads the Koran is burnt as to kill our people is a direct request for our act.
A big picture of Smokey the bear saying," only you can stop forest fires."
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Not sure I understand this anymore.
I have reread the intire forum again and one thing keeps giving me a hard time.
This faith caused a dozen or so believers to burn to death in one way or another thousands of our citizens--Right ?
Now one person in this country says he will burn a freeking book, their Holy book of one out of millions in print world wide.
Tomorrow I will buy or better yet steal a Koran, and cook BBQ ribs over it. Then I shall dance with glee as the Muslims did after killing my people by fire, smoke and explosion.
I just do not know what this generation of Americans has turned into.
Bunch of girley-boys. Yes we will fight back when we are personally assaulted ,but , when it comes to strangers--- we just feel sorry for their loss and hope the cops find the bad guys.
Give me a chance to set their little asses on fire.
Cargo planes with millions of leaflets that are to dropped on their nasty heads---- --------- Attention------
For each American service male or female killed or injured by your people, 100 books of the Koran will be burnt. Within 24 hours of the burning photos of the action shall be dropped on your Mosques. It will then be on your heads the Koran is burnt as to kill our people is a direct request for our act.
A big picture of Smokey the bear saying," only you can stop forest fires."
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Brava! Brava! Well said Vesta! You have put my feelings on this matter into words perfectly. Marvelous post.
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Burn it.
It's just paper.
I wouldn't get bent out of shape if someone burned a Christian Bible.
My walk with God is not that shallow. It's not the physical document that counts. It is the content; which can't be destroyed by merely burning a few copies of it.
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Nope...if I had a gun ( I don't own one) and somebody shot at me, I'd shoot back....and hope I killed the son of a bitch.
I just think to burn a book revered by many is....(We all know that not every single Muslim is not an evil person. Probably not even a majority are. Different yes, evil and crazy? No).....is a childish act. Just as is burning a country's flag, a leader in effigy, a Bible or Constitution, regardless of who does it. When a bunch of so-called adults do stuff like this, to me it's kind of a cowardly act, which is ultimately a good thing. Human beings are not physically hurt when stuff like this is done....all it does is make the do-er and his co-horts, feel important and powerful in their own mind, and offend and create moral outrage in the individuals who have respect for what was burned.
A Koran is just a book to me, full of words....it is not "Holy" to me. The Bible, however, is "Holy" to me, yet it is not to you. To you, it's just a book of words, which you may or may not respect. That is your choice. I, personally, am not going to be offended either way....but that's just me. Though I am not a Jew, I respect the Torah, as it is a "Holy" book to many of my friends, and to many people that I respect.
Your argument is that it makes a "statement", that it's a mortal insult. It may be a moral insult, but not a mortal one.
Gathering up all of the evil leaders that could be found....put them in a building and blow it up....that would be a mortal insult ...and one I would have no trouble standing behind.
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From my "friend" Robert Salaam:
For the record, if they burned every Qur'an on Earth, they wouldn't diminish God's message one bit, we are the only religion that could just rewrite it again from memory. May God bless our Hafiz brothers and sisters!
He's a Muslim "Convert".....
So........ he doesn't really care. That said, too bad that the other Muslims don't think like him.
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“If the culprits are Muslim, they have twisted the teachings of Islam.
Whoever performed, or is behind, the terrorist attacks in the
United States of America does not represent Islam.
God is not behind assassins.â€
–Muhammad Ali
Just another muslim quote.
I just don't agree with the burning. I don't agree with anyone burning anything that is representative of anyone's faith, nationality, etc. I think it is the action of a coward. If you want to kill em, kill em, but the other crap is just immature dramatic flair.
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author=Doc link=topic=48383.msg535416#msg535416 date=1284149736
One day, several of us were having a cup, when the Imam entered, so we invited him to our table, and after the appropriate Arab formalities, we discussed several topics of mutual interest, and one of my coworkers brought up the subject of the rather large collection of copies of the Quran that we had accumulated, and asked if he would like to have them to be used amongst his congregation.
He replied that as they were "gifts" to us it would be inappropriate for us to give them to him......in light of that fact, we asked what would be the proper manner in which to dispose of them, he replied with a sly grin......
"You have an incinerator......burn them.......they are "Holy" only to those who chose to make them so, otherwise they are just a book, and even in this counrty you are free to do what you want with a book"
We found his words more than wise, and perhaps this present debate could be governed by such wisdom.......
doc
Sooooo...in other words...all of this "Islamic outrage" over burning the book of cave-dwelling, 7th century filth, is just ANOTHER excuse for uneducated cult fanatics to murder and maim innocent humans.
Gotcha...
(color me NOT-surprised)
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what would burning it accomplish? anyone?
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what would burning it accomplish? anyone?
It would accomplish exactly what is meant to accomplish: Exposing a heathen cult religion based on a FALSE god Allah, and a false prophet, Mohammad, for the inhumane wrongful lifestyle it truly represents and demands.
How many Christians flew airliner fuel bombs into sky scrapers, strapped explosives on their children sending them on suicide-runs, beheaded fags, stoned one of their multiple wives because she tried to read ANY book, or murdered your family member because a liberal 'artiste' dropped a crucifix in a jar of his urine?
My God does NOT demand I behead you because you pissed on a bible, or American flag.
Every day should be a national televised "Burn the KKKoran" day.
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It would accomplish exactly what is meant to accomplish: Exposing a heathen cult religion based on a FALSE god Allah, and a false prophet, Mohammad, for the inhumane wrongful lifestyle it truly represents and demands.
How many Christians flew airliner fuel bombs into sky scrapers, strapped explosives on their children sending them on suicide-runs, beheaded fags, stoned one of their multiple wives because she tried to read ANY book, or murdered your family member because a liberal 'artiste' dropped a crucifix in a jar of his urine?
My God does NOT demand I behead you because you pissed on a bible, or American flag.
Every day should be a national televised "Burn the KKKoran" day.
burning a koran would accomplish none of your objectives.
it would give us a "feel good" moment, but at the end of the day, we would be back where we started from.
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burning a koran would accomplish none of your objectives.
it would give us a "feel good" moment, but at the end of the day, we would be back where we started from.
Thus re-validating the point of:
"Exposing a heathen cult religion based on a FALSE god Allah, and a false prophet, Mohammad, for the inhumane wrongful lifestyle it truly represents and demands."
We should never give up, back off or back down. As one of those islamo-fascist dogs stated "We will use YOUR Democracy to DESTROY your Democracy!"
How do we fight that mindset? The longer we keep these cult freaks raging, rebelling, murdering, destroying, the more in-depth their evil will come to the world's attention. Thus, eventually the world will become disgusted with their filth, and they will become more marginalized then rejected on the world stage.
How many Taliban beheadings do we see videoed on the Internet these days?
Pretty much zero because the world became disgusted with that behavior and the ISLAM Taliban stopped the beheadings because world outrage, including that of their more moderate supporters, hurt their cause.
We should continue daily, to poke the sharp stick at those rabid dogs to keep their fundamental murderous cave dwelling hate front and center on the world stage. Eventually they will either conform or be so marginalized such as the KKK and Nazi's of today, they become self-neutered.
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what would burning it accomplish? anyone?
It's not supposed to accomplish anything except to insult something the enemy holds dear. It's an end in itself.
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Thus re-validating the point of:
"Exposing a heathen cult religion based on a FALSE god Allah, and a false prophet, Mohammad, for the inhumane wrongful lifestyle it truly represents and demands."
We should never give up, back off or back down. As one of those islamo-fascist dogs stated "We will use YOUR Democracy to DESTROY your Democracy!"
How do we fight that mindset? The longer we keep these cult freaks raging, rebelling, murdering, destroying, the more in-depth their evil will come to the world's attention. Thus, eventually the world will become disgusted with their filth, and they will become more marginalized then rejected on the world stage.
How many Taliban beheadings do we see videoed on the Internet these days?
Pretty much zero because the world became disgusted with that behavior and the ISLAM Taliban stopped the beheadings because world outrage, including that of their more moderate supporters, hurt their cause.
We should continue daily, to poke the sharp stick at those rabid dogs to keep their fundamental murderous cave dwelling hate front and center on the world stage. Eventually they will either conform or be so marginalized such as the KKK and Nazi's of today, they become self-neutered.
We agree and are thinking along the same lines.
They're a BILLION and a HALF (1,500,000,000) of these fools and we can't kill them all.....at least not all by ourselves. We must convert them "OUT" of Islam.
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I said "No," and this is the only reason. It would endanger troops overseas. They have enough challenges to face; having to defend themselves against an additional one would not be the right thing to do.
I do like Vesta's idea of barbequing ribs over one, so that any fat that drips down would hit the ashes of it.
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We agree and are thinking along the same lines.
They're a BILLION and a HALF (1,500,000,000) of these fools and we can't kill them all.....at least not all by ourselves. We must convert them "OUT" of Islam.
Hydrogen bomb right in the heart of the Mid East would put us well on our way though.
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Hydrogen bomb right in the heart of the Mid East would put us well on our way though.
Don't forget the most populous Muslim country on the planet--Indonesia.
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Don't know if it's just the sadness, or overwhelming anger of remembering that day, but I wish that Pastor was burning the Koran. I might feel different tomorrow, but today, (as Russ said) I still want blood.
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In 2008 (?) a bunch of Bibles sent to our troops in the sand box were confiscated by the U.S. gubbment & burned. They feared the presence of Bibles would be offensive to the locals.
Also, when did libturds get so defensive of religion?
Suggested reading: BONFIRE OF THE INSANITIES (http://www.anncoulter.com/)
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In 2008 (?) a bunch of Bibles sent to our troops in the sand box were confiscated by the U.S. gubbment & burned. They feared the presence of Bibles would be offensive to the locals.
Also, when did libturds get so defensive of religion?
Suggested reading: BONFIRE OF THE INSANITIES (http://www.anncoulter.com/)
It was in 2007 and it's already been covered. Facts are:
they were written in Pashtun and Dari
they were sent to our troops, unsolicited
it is a violation of military regs for our troops to proselytize (that goes for ANY religion)
With all that in mind, what, exactly SHOULD be done with unwanted Christian Bibles?? Ship them back to the US?? That doesn't make sense. The most expedient thing to do would be to destroy them. We incinerate our old, unwanted, worn our flags. (Ceremoniously)
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It was in 2007 and it's already been covered. Facts are:
they were written in Pashtun and Dari
they were sent to our troops, unsolicited
it is a violation of military regs for our troops to proselytize (that goes for ANY religion)
With all that in mind, what, exactly SHOULD be done with unwanted Christian Bibles?? Ship them back to the US?? That doesn't make sense. The most expedient thing to do would be to destroy them. We incinerate our old, unwanted, worn our flags. (Ceremoniously)
Who said anything about proselytising?
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Who said anything about proselytising?
Go back and read this thread. I, personally, addressed the burning of bibles in A'stan.