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The Atlanta guy, Richard Jewel, recently got a million dollar settlement for what they put him through.

The court of public opinion can be a nasty thing.

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This reminds me of the Atlanta bomber case. Everybody was positive of the guy's guilt. The facts, unfortunately, said otherwise. Duke rape case also.



Do you think Obama, Holder, the MSM care what the facts are? They'll make them up as needed.
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Sadly he passed away in 2007.

Ohh he did? I could have sworn that in the past 2 years or so that he got some kind of settlement, maybe it was his family then. I will nadin it.  :-)
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There are a lot of unanswered questions and media distortion going on in this case.  For example:

1.  Why did Treyvon's father state that the kid left home at halftime in the NBA game, when he was actually dead before  the game started.

2.  Why did the kid's father fail to notice and report the kid missing for 12 hours after he allegedly left, and made no effort to inquire as to his whereabouts in the intervening period?

3.  Why is the media showing photographs of Treyvon as a 14 year-old, when he stood 6'3" and weighed 170 pounds, towering over Zimmerman, who was short, heavy and out of shape, allegedly?

4.  If Zimmerman didn't act out of fear for his safety, why does he have serious contusions on the back of his head, and a broken nose?

5.  I'm hearing now that Treyvon received a 10-day suspension from school instead of 5......wouldn't that take a fairly serious offense to warrant such action, and why does the school refuse to disclose the cause of that suspension?

Far too many unanswered questions........

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What happens if/when the authorities come to the same conclusion that the local PD did? With this, OWS, Obamacare, and birth control, this is going to be an ugly, ugly summer.
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What happens if/when the authorities come to the same conclusion that the local PD did? With this, OWS, Obamacare, and birth control, this is going to be an ugly, ugly summer.

Holder will jump in and indict him, try him, convict him, and sentence him. He shot one of Holder's people you know.

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Whether Trayvon is innocent or not, and same thing goes for Zimmerman, why is everyone so focused on this shooting?  Like I stated a few days ago, what happened is sad.  Doesn't matter who was in the right or wrong.  Two families have been ruined no matter what happened.  In Las Vegas alone, we had three separate shootings last week.  One of them, a homeowner shot and killed a black kid who was in his backyard.  I can't call him a kid, because I believe he was a 19 year old with a very long criminal record.  I don't know if the homeowner was white, but he did live in Summerlin.  To me, that doesn't matter, but if you're a democrat, Summerlin is "white-y land".  So we have this possible white man who shot and killed a black man in his backyard.  No outrage here.  As there shouldn't be... but I'm just saying.

And I have read the links people have posted here showing the massacre of the gangs in Chicago.  No outrage there.  I am sickened by the media and the President getting so involved in this case and saying some of the most ridiculous things.  I had to stop paying any attention to this stuff when Obama said, "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." 

Is there a police or medical report that says Zimmerman had the cut to the back of his head?  I have only seen a short police report from two different police officers.  There must have been witness statements taken too.
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Whether Trayvon is innocent or not, and same thing goes for Zimmerman, why is everyone so focused on this shooting?  Like I stated a few days ago, what happened is sad.  Doesn't matter who was in the right or wrong.  Two families have been ruined no matter what happened.  In Las Vegas alone, we had three separate shootings last week.  One of them, a homeowner shot and killed a black kid who was in his backyard.  I can't call him a kid, because I believe he was a 19 year old with a very long criminal record.  I don't know if the homeowner was white, but he did live in Summerlin.  To me, that doesn't matter, but if you're a democrat, Summerlin is "white-y land".  So we have this possible white man who shot and killed a black man in his backyard.  No outrage here.  As there shouldn't be... but I'm just saying.

And I have read the links people have posted here showing the massacre of the gangs in Chicago.  No outrage there.  I am sickened by the media and the President getting so involved in this case and saying some of the most ridiculous things.  I had to stop paying any attention to this stuff when Obama said, "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." 

Is there a police or medical report that says Zimmerman had the cut to the back of his head?  I have only seen a short police report from two different police officers.  There must have been witness statements taken too.

The same reason birth control and Rush calling that woman a slut was the major news the past few weeks, it's a major distraction from gas prices going up, food prices going up, and the economy is not improving.

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EC, the left has NOTHING to run on, nothing, nada, zilch, zero, they don't care about Trayvon Martin, they care about what it can get them in the long run. If they cared about black kids being killed? they would've been outraged at 10 people being killed last weekend in Chicago, they would be outraged that over 100 people have been killed so far in Chicago. This isn't about Trayvon, this is a distraction from high unemployment, high gas prices, high food prices, record spending, and our continuing to go down the path of destruction. But like everything else the left touches? this like the "slut" incident will backfire on them. I've seen way too many people online asking why black on black crime isn't being addressed, why black on white crime is ignored.
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Apparently, Spike Lee, that paragon of social justice, tweeted Zimmerman's home address last night. Classy.
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The facts in this case are of no importance whatsoever. The two things most important to the muslim right now are keeping this case in the headlines, along with the morons on our side who keep talking about abortion and birth control.

As long as those two things are being debated, no one is talking about four-dollar gasoline, "fast and furious", ten percent unemployment, real estate values, 0bamacare, Iranian nukes, or muzzie terrorists.

The Justice Department has been assigned to keep dear little dead Trayvon at the top of Page One.

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Apparently, Spike Lee, that paragon of social justice, tweeted Zimmerman's home address last night. Classy.

And a black woman tweeted this:

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@TRYFOXX @SpikeLee and retweet for the 57 children who have been killed by violence in Chicago this school year already.
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This reminds me of the Atlanta bomber case. Everybody was positive of the guy's guilt. The facts, unfortunately, said otherwise. Duke rape case also.



I always thought Richard Jewell was innocent and was not the bomber. As for Duke case, Crystal Mangum was not killed. I knew something was not right. Also, she is in legal trouble for murder.

Judge won't reduce Crystal Mangum's bond
http://www.news-record.com/content/2012/03/10/article/judge_wont_reduce_crystal_mangums_bond
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Whether Trayvon is innocent or not, and same thing goes for Zimmerman, why is everyone so focused on this shooting?  Like I stated a few days ago, what happened is sad.  Doesn't matter who was in the right or wrong.  Two families have been ruined no matter what happened.  In Las Vegas alone, we had three separate shootings last week.  One of them, a homeowner shot and killed a black kid who was in his backyard.  I can't call him a kid, because I believe he was a 19 year old with a very long criminal record.  I don't know if the homeowner was white, but he did live in Summerlin.  To me, that doesn't matter, but if you're a democrat, Summerlin is "white-y land".  So we have this possible white man who shot and killed a black man in his backyard.  No outrage here.  As there shouldn't be... but I'm just saying.

And I have read the links people have posted here showing the massacre of the gangs in Chicago.  No outrage there.  I am sickened by the media and the President getting so involved in this case and saying some of the most ridiculous things.  I had to stop paying any attention to this stuff when Obama said, "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." 

Is there a police or medical report that says Zimmerman had the cut to the back of his head?  I have only seen a short police report from two different police officers.  There must have been witness statements taken too.

Seeing Al Sharpton getting involved makes things worse.
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EC, the left has NOTHING to run on, nothing, nada, zilch, zero, they don't care about Trayvon Martin, they care about what it can get them in the long run. If they cared about black kids being killed? they would've been outraged at 10 people being killed last weekend in Chicago, they would be outraged that over 100 people have been killed so far in Chicago. This isn't about Trayvon, this is a distraction from high unemployment, high gas prices, high food prices, record spending, and our continuing to go down the path of destruction. But like everything else the left touches? this like the "slut" incident will backfire on them. I've seen way too many people online asking why black on black crime isn't being addressed, why black on white crime is ignored.

Chicago has become a lost cause mired in corruption. No offense to anyone from there.
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Chicago has become a lost cause mired in corruption. No offense to anyone from there.

Probably better to lift off and nuke the city from orbit.  It's the only way to make sure . . .  :fuelfire: :tongue:
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Chicago has become a lost cause mired in corruption. No offense to anyone from there.
Oh, I don't know about that.

I sort of think corruption in Chicago is probably less serious than at any time in decades.

It's totally crooked, but they keep it more financial. Not nearly as many dead bodies as there used to be.

Of course, you can't count dead hoodrats. That's lifestyle, not corruption.

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There are many unanswered questions. I've seen some opinions indicating that since Zimmerman was following Martin in his car, then he was the "aggressor" and responsible for everything that transpired afterward. That is not necessarily true.

Though following someone in your car and observing them may be construed as aggression at some level, the law expects you to meet such an act with behavior appropriate to that level. I don't think merely being followed by someone justifies jumping them and wailing on them with your fists, even if they got out of the car and asked you what you were doing. This line of reasoning, if you want to call it reasoning, is one that many DUmmies are taking to cover Martin if he was indeed the one who initiated physical contact. They are also dramatizing it by calling Zimmerman's actions "stalking", which has a fairly clear definition under Florida law, and Zimmerman's actions do not rise to that level. If Martin jumped him simply because he was pissed off about being followed and questioned, then Zimmerman may have a case for self-defense. The fact that Zimmerman may be a racist or any kind of asshole doesn't change that.

Now it may well be that Zimmerman initiated the physical contact, or he may have verbally threatened Martin, chased him, brandished his gun, or tried to forcibly detain him in some way. In that case, all bets would be off, and Martin could use whatever means necessary to defend himself. Zimmerman would be in the wrong for using his weapon, and he should face the full penalties of the law.

The point is, we don't know which of those scenarios, or even one totally different, took place that night. There is certainly enough plausible evidence to suggest that it might have been self-defense on the part of Zimmerman. It needs more investigating. Did SPD act appropriately? I don't know that, either. I'm willing to see the results of that investigation also.

All this crap from The Hive about, "B-b-but, we just want to see him arrested!" is a total crock of shit. All they've seen from the very get-go is a black person dead at the hands of a "white" person and that's all the evidence they've needed to be calling for his head, facts be damned. Posters over there who have counselled patience or have tried to critically examine the evidence or present alternate scenarios have been attacked savagely, accused of being trolls or "defending" Zimmerman. Some have even admitted that their minds are made up and no contradictory evidence will change them.

This is nothing more than attempt to make political hay out of a tragedy. One that is similar to others that happen on a daily basis across the country except that this one just happens to be convenient to their purposes. It's stoking the fires of race-hate in an election year. They don't care about the black-on-white hate crimes. The few that make it to being posted at DU get short shrift, or get written off as the natural consequences of poverty and the reaction of a downtrodden minority to severe oppression or other such apologia. Neither will they acknowledge that 90+% of blacks murdered are the victims of other blacks. That hasn't been mentioned once. Wouldn't you think that group who claims to be so concerned about the plight of minorities would give that at least a passing glance?
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The facts in this case are of no importance whatsoever. The two things most important to the muslim right now are keeping this case in the headlines, along with the morons on our side who keep talking about abortion and birth control.

As long as those two things are being debated, no one is talking about four-dollar gasoline, "fast and furious", ten percent unemployment, real estate values, 0bamacare, Iranian nukes, or muzzie terrorists.

The Justice Department has been assigned to keep dear little dead Trayvon at the top of Page One.

If I were the jug-eared Kenyan, I'd be feeling pretty confident about a second term right now, but it's a long time until November.

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A very ^5 worthy post.  You nailed it.  Presidential Prestidigitation at its finest.  Magic.  (an we ain't talkin Johnson here) Hey Holder, watch me pull this race war out of my a$$. 

But this may still backfire on them as they seek to get the Spin cycle just right.  Looks like some in the MSM didn't get the message.

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http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/the_empathizer-in-chief_needs_to_do_some_serious_soul-searching.html

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And this is where the left as usual goes too far, new T-Shirts hitting the streets:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/cracker-tshirt-759832

An Unfortunate T-Shirt Hits Florida Streets In Wake Of Trayvon Martin Killing



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Expanding the definition of “cracker,” a t-shirt featuring the photo of the man who shot Trayvon Martin is now available for purchase.

As seen at right (click to enlarge), the shirt has a picture of George Zimmerman and the words “***** Ass Cracker.” Zimmerman, a 28-year-old Hispanic, killed Martin, 17, last month while acting as a neighborhood watch captain in Sanford, Florida.

The shirt’s “***** ass cracker” line is apparently a reference to lyrics from the rapper Plies’s song “100 Years,” which bemoans stiff sentences handed out by racist judges.

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And this is where the left as usual goes too far, new T-Shirts hitting the streets:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/cracker-tshirt-759832

An Unfortunate T-Shirt Hits Florida Streets In Wake Of Trayvon Martin Killing





This may be way off base, but I hope he doesn't plan on wearing that to his next job interview. It may reflect poorly.
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This may be way off base, but I hope he doesn't plan on wearing that to his next job interview. It may reflect poorly.

The dirty mop on his head would be enough for me to send him on his way.
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This may be way off base, but I hope he doesn't plan on wearing that to his next job interview. It may reflect poorly.

That is just one of their many "Personal Job Deflection Devices".
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