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Arguments and Discussions to Leftists/Progressives
« on: February 02, 2022, 09:30:40 AM »
I'm a member of Bill Whittle's web site in which, like a blog, we discuss various viewpoints.

This discussion surfaced recently:

Me: Bill [Whittle] is on point with his observation that Jon Stewart and Bill Maher are largely responsible for this travesty called leftism. The idea that Jon and Bill are the smart guys in the room and the rest of you who aren’t watching the show are the rubes and hicks of backwater America. My stepson is a classic example of this type of thinking and I’ve learned that despite our engagements in which we discuss the unmentionable — politics — we can never come to accord. Why? Well, I’m a rube and I’m a member of backwater America. We do agree on some things apart from politics, and that’s what we focus on, thankfully.

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That’s always frustrating when you run into that “rube” attitude. I think it’s just a copout used to avoid admitting their ideas stink.

The way I usually counter that is to make them explain how their wonderful sounding ideas can be put into actual practice and made reality. Because if what they think is the best way ahead is provably unrealistic then they’re the “rubes” who aren’t nearly so smart as they’ve been told they are.

I.E. “How are you going to pay for all that?”

“Tax the rich and make them pay their fair share!”

“OK, well they already pay more taxes than the rest of the nation combined but leave that for a minute. There isn’t enough private wealth in this nation to operate the country for a full year if every penny of it was confiscated through taxation. I can prove this to you with actual facts and figures. I can even show you a brief video that proves it (Referring to Bill’s “Eat the Rich” video. It’s a little dated now but the principles are still obvious and undeniable.) Do you want me to prove that to you or will you accept it as stipulated?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdbRKfXyQEw&ab_channel=cluebattingcage

If he won’t accept it, show him the video. If he won’t watch the video then tell him he’s afraid of the real numbers and needs to be educated on this if he intends to support it. Because if not then he’s a “rube” for refusing to engage.

If he will accept it as stipulated then you’re back to “How are you REALLY going to pay for this stuff?” And you can go from there.

The thing is, if you’re going to use a tactic like this you really need to know your stuff. You should always start with something basic like “OK, I’m listening. Tell me how you intend to pay for this?”

Let ’em spout a bit before you chop their rube legs out from underneath them. It doesn’t hurt to take some notes and pretend you’re interested. Even though you already know it’s hogswallop, he doesn’t know that. Yet. The notes are real handy for “But you said …”

Approach this with a kindly but passive aggressive stance. Like —

“Gee, I’m sorry about how bad we’ve failed your generation. You’ve really opened my eyes and helped me to see the problem clearly.”

He’ll probably think you’re about to come over to his side when …

“The obvious problem here, where we have really failed you younger people, is that we meant to send you to schools where you’d learn arithmetic instead of activism. You can use arithmetic to make the world better but you can’t use cornpone backwoods-hick magical thinking rube activism to do anything helpful at all. Socio-economic sorcery is a political ploy, it’s not a plan for a better future. If we’d educated your generation properly you’d know that already.”

At that point, if he hasn’t stormed out because you’ve melted his little tin god, you can show him the video about Underpants Gnomes. You’ll both get a chuckle out of that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5ih_TQWqCA&ab_channel=SouthParkStudios

The trick is to keep those types on topic and don’t let them deflect with irrelevancies. Keep coming back to the topic even if they say things like “Oh I don’t like Michael Moore either.” (Reply, “See, we have more in common on this than you might think. Now about how you’re going to pay for this …) “Isn’t Bill Whittle one of those Right Wing racist commentators?” (Reply, “No, I’ve never heard him say one racist word but it doesn’t matter. This is about numbers not Bill Whittle so how do you intend to pay for all this?”) Etc.

This works for virtually every Leftist talking point, as long as you know your own argument …

Global Warming — “Yeah, I looked into that a bit. Turns out water vapor drives climate an order of magnitude stronger than CO2. So tell me how we’re going to reduce the water vapor in the atmosphere. That would be a lot more productive than fiddling around with CO2. Unless climate isn’t really your goal that is.

Racial Inequality — “Yeah, racism is sure a bad thing alright. It’s really scary how the Left (don’t give ’em the out by saying ‘Democrats’) is trying to divide this nation along racial lines, huh? Look at all the injustice and unrest that’s generating.”

Etc.

PS — I won’t know if these embeds worked until I hit “Post Comment” so if not, sorry. My bust. You can also find these by searching YouTube for “Eat the Rich – Bill Whittle” and “Make Profit By Stealing Underpants – SOUTH PARK”

My response to ACTS (TM):
I appreciate your thoughtful and extensive reply. I gotta be honest — discussing politics in my home is NOT encouraged because of the extent to which it creates acrimony. One thing is for sure — neither he, nor his wife, nor MY wife will EVER change their minds about their political bent, so the best and most peaceful approach is to ignore it.
We all know what each other thinks and the way we’re wired. We’re simply not going to change our minds, and that’s the long and short of it.

Question for CC'ers:
How do YOU respond to this situation? I fully recognize that not all CC households are filled with conservatives who, while individuals, think basically similar -- small and limited government, fiscal responsibility, border protection, etc., but there are those -- like mine, that are not constructed in that pattern. I'm especially interested in your viewpoint.

How do you handle the political discussions that ALWAYS result in claptrap and arguments inside the home that NOBODY wins?
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Re: Arguments and Discussions to Leftists/Progressives
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2022, 11:09:24 AM »
I don't bother as I consider liberals/democrats and especially leftists to be brain damaged possibly beyond recovery since supposedly 81 million of them voted for a man who half aware of his surrounding and is clearly suffering from old age.

There is no excuse to be that stupid.




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Re: Arguments and Discussions to Leftists/Progressives
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2022, 02:04:00 PM »
Some of them, amazingly enough, are NOT stupid. I believe they're caught up in their environment, which in Austin, TX, is almost completely leftist/socialist/Bernie bots/commies.

Ditto for other parts of the country.

But in the DUmp, there is no doubt that the level of stupidity there is something to behold.  :o
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Re: Arguments and Discussions to Leftists/Progressives
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2022, 02:33:22 PM »
Some of them, amazingly enough, are NOT stupid. I believe they're caught up in their environment, which in Austin, TX, is almost completely leftist/socialist/Bernie bots/commies.

Ditto for other parts of the country.

But in the DUmp, there is no doubt that the level of stupidity there is something to behold.  :o

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Re: Arguments and Discussions to Leftists/Progressives
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2022, 02:34:30 PM »
Some of them, amazingly enough, are NOT stupid. I believe they're caught up in their environment, which in Austin, TX, is almost completely leftist/socialist/Bernie bots/commies.

Ditto for other parts of the country.

But in the DUmp, there is no doubt that the level of stupidity there is something to behold.  :o

In my view when they vote for people like Biden that is a clear sign of stupidity because he is a colossal bad choice as he was a poor Senator a terrible Vice President and a galaxy level failure as President who does nothing but make mistakes as if he is trying hard to fail.

The man has been continuously wrong in foreign Policy decisions and failed to realize that Anita Hell was LYING constantly against Clarence Thomas the lying bitch FOLLOWED Thomas to his new place when he was promoted this was well after he allegedly sexually harassed her.

Being a true free thinking human being is the only way to grow wise and be an asset to society.

Yeah, democrats do have this behavior when Bidens failures are discussed:


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Re: Arguments and Discussions to Leftists/Progressives
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2022, 08:15:59 PM »
In my view when they vote for people like Biden that is a clear sign of stupidity because he is a colossal bad choice as he was a poor Senator a terrible Vice President and a galaxy level failure as President who does nothing but make mistakes as if he is trying hard to fail.

The man has been continuously wrong in foreign Policy decisions and failed to realize that Anita Hell was LYING constantly against Clarence Thomas the lying bitch FOLLOWED Thomas to his new place when he was promoted this was well after he allegedly sexually harassed her.

Being a true free thinking human being is the only way to grow wise and be an asset to society.

Yeah, democrats do have this behavior when Bidens failures are discussed:

At which point do you discount "vote like you've always voted because you're part of a family that's always done it that way" to "actually examining the issues and voting your conscience."?

I can see otherwise intelligent people with little or no interest in politics who adapt the former policy vice the latter.

My stepson, a Bernie bot, is not a stupid man. He's 40 years old and has been immersed in the Austin, TX area for the past 15 years. He's become "Bernieized" or "socialized" in the Bernie (commie) tradition because of his immersion there. Consider also he earned a degree in "Film Studies" which put him squarely in the camp of those yardbirds.

Prior to that, up till the age of about 25, he was quite reasonable in his political leanings, though not nearly as engaged as he is now.

He's still a wayward child -- even at the age of 40.  :whatever:
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Re: Arguments and Discussions to Leftists/Progressives
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2022, 08:58:03 PM »
Sorry to say but being a "Bernie Bot" is a sign of stupidity since the Bernie Marxist Sanders while spends most of his political life pushing Marxism is a millionaire based on capitalism ventures.

Bernie Sanders' Top 10 DUMBEST Tweets https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/bernie-sanders-top-10-dumbest-tweets

FLASHBACK: The 11 Dumbest Things Bernie Sanders Ever Said  https://www.dailywire.com/news/flashback-11-dumbest-things-bernie-sanders-ever-aaron-bandler

Jesse Watters: Bernie Sanders is 'dangerously stupid' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGYITJg73xI

I can go on and on to show how stupid Bernie is.

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Re: Arguments and Discussions to Leftists/Progressives
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2022, 06:58:10 AM »
Sorry to say but being a "Bernie Bot" is a sign of stupidity since the Bernie Marxist Sanders while spends most of his political life pushing Marxism is a millionaire based on capitalism ventures.

Bernie Sanders' Top 10 DUMBEST Tweets https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/bernie-sanders-top-10-dumbest-tweets

FLASHBACK: The 11 Dumbest Things Bernie Sanders Ever Said  https://www.dailywire.com/news/flashback-11-dumbest-things-bernie-sanders-ever-aaron-bandler

Jesse Watters: Bernie Sanders is 'dangerously stupid' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGYITJg73xI

I can go on and on to show how stupid Bernie is.

Nobody's talking about how stupid Bernie is except you. You made the all-encompassing claim that people who vote for Biden are stupid. My counter-claim, supported with an anecdotal example, is that no, at least some of them are not stupid.

I will, however, support a statement from you or anybody else that such people are political enemies. But that doesn't make either party "stupid." We simply acknowledge that the other party believes in a dogma that makes no sense.

Mrs E is the mother of my stepson. She is also a person who adopts the leftist/socialist/commie agenda, though I would not classify her as a Bernie bot. She is a music teacher by profession and a product of a Democrat family from long ago. She's also 70 years old.

There is no way in hell you can call my wife stupid. I suggest you think about that.

OBTW -- bitchslapped for being stupid yourself.

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Re: Arguments and Discussions to Leftists/Progressives
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2022, 10:26:56 AM »
So, this is how stupidity is spread thank you for teaching me as YOU are the one who brought up the Bernie BOT statement in the first place and now YOU are defending it.

Haw haw haw haw haw.....

Meanwhile BECAUSE of high numbers of lazy ass stupid voters we have the disaster that Biden is who showed his unfitness for high office for decades yet he gets voted in anyway which would have never happened as recently as 30 years ago because he is so deficient in his ability to do the job and clearly mentally unfit.

My family are now far leftists because they can't free themselves from the propaganda train they suck up on for decades, once they were Kennedy democrats which was being a Classic democrat now they are almost a Marxist without realizing it because they think and behave like a conformist herd who has been trained to conform to an ideology they don't even know because all they do is look for the big D next to their crooked corrupted candidates and vote for them while unaware that their rights are being eroded in the process.

America is dying because there are now so few lefts who openly love the Republic and so few who defends the constitution as a principle and speak out in defense of it.

I am a Free-Thinking Independent because I want to be a free as possible from the malicious propaganda that is raining down on us all day long via the media, the government and by hellywood that now spew out mostly unhappy violent TV shows all over the clock it is now mostly sex and violence they sell, and it is being lapped up by people are being trained to sit on their asses and let government increasingly take over our lives.

They shoved the bogus "vaccination" on us, they are forcing us to dump gas cars and make us buy electric and forcing us to drop most of the use of Nitrogen fertilizer, incessantly trying to take our gun rights and make us depend on the police for our security by propaganda.

It appears you forgot just how worthless Bernie "the bot" Sanders really is and how destructive Biden and other leftists are who endorsed this stupid idea on a health insurance that is average at best that increasing number of doctors avoid because it doesn't cover the minimum expenses forcing doctors to drop it which I learned from personal experience as I am on Medicare.

Making everyone be on Medicare is just another intrusion of government power over the people which stupid voters never consider thus continue to vote for leftists and Marxists continue to erode our rights to be free to decide for ourselves how to live our lives.

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The “Medicare for All” plan pushed by Sen. Bernie Sanders and endorsed by a host of Democratic congressional and presidential hopefuls would increase government health care spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, according to a new study.

The Vermont senator has avoided conducting his own cost analysis, and those supporting the plan have at times struggled to explain how they could pay for it.

The study, released Monday by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University, showed the plan would require historic tax increases.

The hikes would allow the government to replace what employers and consumers currently pay for health care -- delivering significant savings on administration and drug costs, but increased demand for care that would drive up spending, according to the report.

According to the report, the legislation’s federal health care commitments would reach approximately 10.7 of GDP by 2022, and rise to nearly 12.7 percent of GDP by 2031.

But the study, conducted by senior research strategist Charles Blahous, said that those estimates were on the “conservative” side.

Sanders’ plan builds on Medicare, the insurance program for seniors. The proposal would require all U.S. residents be covered with no copays and deductibles for medical services. The insurance industry would be regulated to play a minor role in the system.

Sanders is far from the only liberal lawmaker pushing the program.

2020 hopefuls like Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., endorsed a “Medicare for all” program last year.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/30/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-bill-estimated-at-32-6t-study-says.html

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I think you are going to eventually realize that you didn't see the long march of the feds increasing desire to take away your rights for the sake of the state.

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Re: Arguments and Discussions to Leftists/Progressives
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2022, 10:53:45 AM »
So, this is how stupidity is spread thank you for teaching me as YOU are the one who brought up the Bernie BOT statement in the first place and now YOU are defending it.

Once again, you're wrong. Now I can see why you have the rep you have. You're patently stupid. OK, no crime in being stupid. Let's move on, shall we?

I shouldn't have to say this, but due to your diminished ability in seeing the obvious (probably caused by terminal stupidity), there is no way I'm defending Bernie bots. I'm defending my stepson, whom you don't know and have never conversed with. If you did, you might have a differing opinion, but I'm not holding out hope. You see, since you're terminally stupid, you'll never see the obvious.

Being terminally stupid means you'll always remain that way.

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My family are now far leftists because they can't free themselves from the propaganda train they suck up on for decades, once they were Kennedy democrats which was being a Classic democrat now they are almost a Marxist without realizing it because they think and behave like a conformist herd who has been trained to conform to an ideology they don't even know because all they do is look for the big D next to their crooked corrupted candidates and vote for them while unaware that their rights are being eroded in the process.

I see that your family appears to be afflicted as well, but since I don't know any of them, I can't say with certainty.

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I am a Free-Thinking Independent because I want to be a free as possible from the malicious propaganda that is raining down on us all day long via the media, the government and by hellywood that now spew out mostly unhappy violent TV shows all over the clock it is now mostly sex and violence they sell, and it is being lapped up by people are being trained to sit on their asses and let government increasingly take over our lives.

Congratulations. Let me know when they convey a Nobel Prize on you. I'll be sure to send you a personally-autographed note.

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They shoved the bogus "vaccination" on us, they are forcing us to dump gas cars and make us buy electric and forcing us to drop most of the use of Nitrogen fertilizer, incessantly trying to take our gun rights and make us depend on the police for our security by propaganda.

I can't speak for you, but the gubmint hasn't forced me to buy a damned thing. Even the jab.

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It appears you forgot just how worthless Bernie "the bot" Sanders really is and how destructive Biden and other leftists are who endorsed this stupid idea on a health insurance that is average at best that increasing number of doctors avoid because it doesn't cover the minimum expenses forcing doctors to drop it which I learned from personal experience as I am on Medicare.

Once again (damn, you keep making a habit of that), you're wrong. I know full well how worthless Bernie Sanders is. But he's a Senator from Vermont and you're on Medicare.

Got it, champ.  :lmao:

Snipped the rest of your worthless screed. I got tired of making fun of you.  :tongue:

But keep coming back, OK? I love poking holes in your "arguments."  :rotf:
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2022, 01:37:35 PM »
It is clear you made assumptions and lies about me therefore since you are a cretin you are now on IGNORE!

Cheers.

Oh, and most of my negative votes occurred during my introduction post 10 years ago when several people attacked me claiming that I am a troll and such which forced several people to defend me they are the real trolls and the thread was deleted as it was shameful which occurred after I left for a long time, thank you Moderators!

In several other forums I post in I get high to very high positive/thank you marks overall rating from the membership even with a lot of democrats in it thus you are badly mistaken about me.

Here from one of my defenders from 10 years ago:

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I don't like to see anyone leave.  Anyone.  We make all kinds of noise in the DUmpster about "you can come here and sign up and talk, and we won't ban you.  Unlike there."  Big ****in talk.

Then, you go on that thread that sunset linked to, and I thought he was treated pretty shabbily.  Should Kyle Ricky be saying things like "bring on the ban hammer" to someone who goes way back with many cavers?  For years?   He was vouched for by respected people here.

I wish sunset would reconsider.


BTW, KR has built up a conserable post count by posting inanities such as  :-)  and "Yeah" and so forth.  I wish he would stop acting like he owns the place.  Take this to the Fight Club if you wish.

https://conservativecave.com/cave/index.php?topic=77069.msg934037#msg934037

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Re: Arguments and Discussions to Leftists/Progressives
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2022, 02:03:54 PM »
Rule No. 242 in Forum Enterprises and Such Things:

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A lot can happen in 10 years, tommy.

If it's possible, you must have become more stupid. It must be a terrible cross to bear.  :loser:
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