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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2011, 06:24:22 PM »
I'm tired of this whole play along to get along bullshit inside the beltway.  So is most of America as the mid-term elections seem to indicate.

Well then, you got what you wanted today because the principled legislation failed on an epic level and that is Boehner's fault?

Reality will tell you the only thing accomplished with this principled legislation is a huge slap to the credibility of the GOP, and absolutely nothing more. 

 


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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2011, 06:25:33 PM »
Let's look at this realistically.    Defunding this would NEVER EVER EVER pass the senate, so it was all for show anyway right?   So why the hell did we need this Rooney legislation?

The non-binding resolutions had support and that is what Boehner should have presented.   The resolutions pass, and throws the ball and pressure into the Senate with Obama on the defense.

Now the freakin House looks like a bunch of stupid chumps.   Boehner made a bad call, but he did it trying to please the "real" conservatives who can't understand how to get the hell out of their own way.

Just unbelievable.

First off, doesn't Comrade Romney need you back at the phone bank?  :cheers1:

Now, WTH?  Realistically?  Since when has doing the ****ing job he ran for been throwing a sop to the rabid conservatives nipping at his heels?  Whatever happened to words ****ing meaning things in the English language?  The constitution puts the President in sole charge of the military and it's employment: check.  The constitution gives congress the control over the military's purse, as well as defining who the President is allowed to target with that military he's in charge of.  When democrat presidents started playing fast and loose with the definitions, and sending that military places it didn't have a congress' authorization to go, Congress responded by publishing the War Powers Resolution (not Act), another of those non-binding resolutions you were touting so highly up there.  WPR, added definition to the Constitution's general terms: military in places which aren't home, where bangs are banging and metal is more prevalent in the air than mosquitoes for more than 90 days is overstepping your authority, and says that Congress shall reassert IT's authority if you cross that line.

So, now we have a president who hasn't just crossed the constitutional line of US troops in harms way without a declaration of war, he's crossed the line set by WPR by keeping them there longer than 90 days without congressional authorization, and when the office which he holds requires Boehner to put his ****ing foot down, remind the President that he's not a ****ing one-man *******ed show, and remove access to the taxpayer funds that the President is using in his abuse of authority, you think ANOTHER non-binding resolution should do the ****ing trick?!?!  Based on what evidence, 'lurker?

The freakin' house looks like a bunch of chumps because their speaker has amply demonstrated that the law - Constitution included - and it's requirements don't mean dick to them, compared to the personal exercise of power.  That when the law required them to pull on their big-boy underwear and do the hard thing because it was the right thing, they got down on their ****ing knees and gave O'Bozo's dick a great big, wet, slurpy suck, just like good little eunuchs.  Boehner has nobody to blame for the aftertaste in his mouth but himself.
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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #52 on: June 24, 2011, 06:35:59 PM »
Congress doesn't have the courage of its convictions, but I'm not sure Congress has any genuine convictions here.  So...now what?  :bs:


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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2011, 06:48:54 PM »
First off, doesn't Comrade Romney need you back at the phone bank?  :cheers1:

Now, WTH?  Realistically?  Since when has doing the ****ing job he ran for been throwing a sop to the rabid conservatives nipping at his heels?  Whatever happened to words ****ing meaning things in the English language?  The constitution puts the President in sole charge of the military and it's employment: check.  The constitution gives congress the control over the military's purse, as well as defining who the President is allowed to target with that military he's in charge of.  When democrat presidents started playing fast and loose with the definitions, and sending that military places it didn't have a congress' authorization to go, Congress responded by publishing the War Powers Resolution (not Act), another of those non-binding resolutions you were touting so highly up there.  WPR, added definition to the Constitution's general terms: military in places which aren't home, where bangs are banging and metal is more prevalent in the air than mosquitoes for more than 90 days is overstepping your authority, and says that Congress shall reassert IT's authority if you cross that line.

So, now we have a president who hasn't just crossed the constitutional line of US troops in harms way without a declaration of war, he's crossed the line set by WPR by keeping them there longer than 90 days without congressional authorization, and when the office which he holds requires Boehner to put his ****ing foot down, remind the President that he's not a ****ing one-man *******ed show, and remove access to the taxpayer funds that the President is using in his abuse of authority, you think ANOTHER non-binding resolution should do the ****ing trick?!?!  Based on what evidence, 'lurker?

The freakin' house looks like a bunch of chumps because their speaker has amply demonstrated that the law - Constitution included - and it's requirements don't mean dick to them, compared to the personal exercise of power.  That when the law required them to pull on their big-boy underwear and do the hard thing because it was the right thing, they got down on their ****ing knees and gave O'Bozo's dick a great big, wet, slurpy suck, just like good little eunuchs.  Boehner has nobody to blame for the aftertaste in his mouth but himself.

Reality check for this Congress.   You don't get it, never will and so it goes.

Obama will win with a mandate in 2012 if you honestly did not get the lesson of today. 


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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2011, 06:50:34 PM »
Congress doesn't have the courage of its convictions, but I'm not sure Congress has any genuine convictions here.  So...now what?  :bs:



Did anyone read more than the headlines to learn the reason why those Republicans voted against Rooney's legislation? 

Doubtful, but wanted to throw the question out there.

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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #55 on: June 24, 2011, 08:05:14 PM »
Did anyone read more than the headlines to learn the reason why those Republicans voted against Rooney's legislation? 

Doubtful, but wanted to throw the question out there.

ill make it crystal. I don't trust any of em. R or D's. their all a bunch a parasites. and their back door deals with each other are made to get what they want. your $$$. so if your Naive enough to think some fu*kin R is gonna save your ass then salute. as for this mess its clear as mud. ill believe when i see it and not a sec before.

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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2011, 08:33:34 PM »
ill make it crystal. I don't trust any of em. R or D's. their all a bunch a parasites. and their back door deals with each other are made to get what they want. your $$$. so if your Naive enough to think some fu*kin R is gonna save your ass then salute. as for this mess its clear as mud. ill believe when i see it and not a sec before.

The only naive person here is the one that thinks this will EVER change.   Honest to good god, you just don't have a clue do you?

I swear the legislative aides in Congress have to read these forums and laugh their asses off. 





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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2011, 04:48:07 AM »
First off, doesn't Comrade Romney need you back at the phone bank?  :cheers1:

Now, WTH?  Realistically?  Since when has doing the ****ing job he ran for been throwing a sop to the rabid conservatives nipping at his heels?  Whatever happened to words ****ing meaning things in the English language?  The constitution puts the President in sole charge of the military and it's employment: check.  The constitution gives congress the control over the military's purse, as well as defining who the President is allowed to target with that military he's in charge of.  When democrat presidents started playing fast and loose with the definitions, and sending that military places it didn't have a congress' authorization to go, Congress responded by publishing the War Powers Resolution (not Act), another of those non-binding resolutions you were touting so highly up there.  WPR, added definition to the Constitution's general terms: military in places which aren't home, where bangs are banging and metal is more prevalent in the air than mosquitoes for more than 90 days is overstepping your authority, and says that Congress shall reassert IT's authority if you cross that line.

So, now we have a president who hasn't just crossed the constitutional line of US troops in harms way without a declaration of war, he's crossed the line set by WPR by keeping them there longer than 90 days without congressional authorization, and when the office which he holds requires Boehner to put his ****ing foot down, remind the President that he's not a ****ing one-man *******ed show, and remove access to the taxpayer funds that the President is using in his abuse of authority, you think ANOTHER non-binding resolution should do the ****ing trick?!?!  Based on what evidence, 'lurker?

The freakin' house looks like a bunch of chumps because their speaker has amply demonstrated that the law - Constitution included - and it's requirements don't mean dick to them, compared to the personal exercise of power.  That when the law required them to pull on their big-boy underwear and do the hard thing because it was the right thing, they got down on their ****ing knees and gave O'Bozo's dick a great big, wet, slurpy suck, just like good little eunuchs.  Boehner has nobody to blame for the aftertaste in his mouth but himself.

Outstanding.

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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2011, 05:21:16 AM »
Well then, you got what you wanted today because the principled legislation failed on an epic level and that is Boehner's fault?

Reality will tell you the only thing accomplished with this principled legislation is a huge slap to the credibility of the GOP, and absolutely nothing more.  
 

The GOP lost most of it's credibility with me a long time ago, and lame-ass non-binding resolutions that accomplish nothing aren't going to improve their credibility with me.

Would Rooney's legislation have passed the Senate?  Probably not, but it would have shown the American people that the House at least is serious about reigning in this out of control jackass in the WH.

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pressure it placed on the Senate (who is not passing anything with "bite"), and it keeps Obama on the defense.

Pressure on the Senate?  Keeping Obama on the defensive with a non-binding resolution?  

I got a good chuckle out of that.

Did you forget that this is a man (Obama) that routinely ignores Federal court orders and rulings and just generally uses the Constitution to wipe his ass?  Do you honestly think a non-binding House resolution is going to scare him?

If the GOP doesn't get some steel in it's spine soon, Obama probably will win re-election and the DEMS might even win back several House seats as many conservative voters will just say to hell with the GOP and either sit it out or vote 3rd party.

The American public is getting fed up with the shenanigans in DC.  IMO that is why so many of the so called Tea Party Candidates won election during the mid-terms.
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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2011, 05:23:53 AM »
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The only naive person here is the one that thinks this will EVER change.

It won't change as long as people like you keep voting in liberals with an R behind their name.
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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #60 on: June 25, 2011, 06:14:56 AM »
It won't change as long as people like you keep voting in liberals with an R behind their name.

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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #61 on: June 25, 2011, 06:23:31 AM »
The GOP lost most of it's credibility with me a long time ago, and lame-ass non-binding resolutions that accomplish nothing aren't going to improve their credibility with me.

Would Rooney's legislation have passed the Senate?  Probably not, but it would have shown the American people that the House at least is serious about reigning in this out of control jackass in the WH.

Ah the pipe dream.   Well the legislation went up and it failed miserably, so the only thing accomplished is the GOP looks like inept chumps.

What I don't understand is how you can state with one breath that "I'm tired of this whole play along to get along bullshit inside the beltway" then whine that Boehner didn't do enough to get his soldiers to pass this legislation.    Mystery how you can't see the inconsistency with that.

Nah, it's not a mystery.   It's just wash, rinse and repeat from the clueless "real" conservatives.  

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Pressure on the Senate?  Keeping Obama on the defensive with a non-binding resolution?  

I got a good chuckle out of that.

Did you forget that this is a man (Obama) that routinely ignores Federal court orders and rulings and just generally uses the Constitution to wipe his ass?  Do you honestly think a non-binding House resolution is going to scare him?

See this is where you demonstrate your political immaturity and ignorance.   A resolution was never meant to "scare" him -- I am actually getting a good chuckle that you actually think Rooney's legislation would have.   The resolution is for media and public perception purposes.   Keeping Obama on the defensive over Libya is a GOOD thing going into the 2012 election cycle.   You are completely delusional if you think anything else would have come of this.

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If the GOP doesn't get some steel in it's spine soon, Obama probably will win re-election and the DEMS might even win back several House seats as many conservative voters will just say to hell with the GOP and either sit it out or vote 3rd party.

The American public is getting fed up with the shenanigans in DC.  IMO that is why so many of the so called Tea Party Candidates won election during the mid-terms.

Boehner needs to stop reading the "real" conservative forums and act like a leader who gets legislation passed.    I don't want dog and pony show legislation which accomplishes nada nothing aside from making the GOP look incompetent and stroking the egos of the extreme right.  

Washington is never going to change.   How many times does that have to be demonstrated to you to sink in?


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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #62 on: June 25, 2011, 06:24:17 AM »
It won't change as long as people like you keep voting in liberals with an R behind their name.

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Yeah, that's the reason.   


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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #63 on: June 25, 2011, 06:26:28 AM »
H5 to you and DefiantSix.

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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #64 on: June 25, 2011, 06:35:20 AM »
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The White House may not have conquered, but it was happy enough to divide. And Obama’s press secretary Jay Carney – sounding a lot like a Bush White House spokesman hitting Democrats opposing the Iraq war – wasted little time in tackling Republicans who rejected continuing the Libya mission.

“We think now is not the time to send the kind of mixed message that it sends when we are working with our allies to achieve the goals that we believe that are widely shared in Congress, that — protecting civilians in Libya, enforcing a no-fly zone, enforcing an arms embargo and further putting pressure on Qadhafi,” Carney told reporters flying on Air Force One.

“Now is not the time to let up.”

The funding vote split the GOP conference, with 89 Republicans bucking leadership, dealing House Speaker John Boehner a stunning 238-to-180 defeat.

Defectors included some of the party’s highest wattage Congressional stars: Michelle Bachmann (R-Minn.), Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.), Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Mike Pence (R-Ind.) who all voted to fund Obama’s “Operation Odyssey Dawn.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57744.html#ixzz1QHpNgqva


Ignorant, ignorant morons for even floating such ridiculous legislation.   

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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #65 on: June 25, 2011, 07:36:38 AM »
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Well the legislation went up and it failed miserably, so the only thing accomplished is the GOP looks like inept chumps.

That's because a large portion of the GOP actually is a group of inept chumps.  Come on...  McCain for President?  Romney will be their selection for 2012.  Yeah... There's a real conservative for ya.

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Boehner didn't do enough to get his soldiers to pass this legislation.

Show me where I said that.

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See this is where you demonstrate your political immaturity and ignorance.   A resolution was never meant to "scare" him -- I am actually getting a good chuckle that you actually think Rooney's legislation would have.   The resolution is for media and public perception purposes.   Keeping Obama on the defensive over Libya is a GOOD thing going into the 2012 election cycle.   You are completely delusional if you think anything else would have come of this.

I didn't say it would scare him.  I asked if you thought it would.  Do you honsestly think that a non-binding House resolution would have kept Obama on the defensive?  I don't care if Rooney's legislation would have scared the asshat in the WH.  It would have indicated that the House was serious about at least attempting to reign in the would be emperor.

And I am telling you that I do NOT think that a non-binding House resolution would have kept Obama on the defensive any more than he already is.  It would have been wasted paper and a lot of us know that.

Keep up with the insults though, it seems to be all you have going for you on this issue.

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Boehner needs to stop reading the "real" conservative forums and act like a leader who gets legislation passed.    I don't want dog and pony show legislation


Which is exactly what a non-binding House resolution amounts to.  It would have accomplished nothing in regards to allegedly keeping Obama on the defensive as you put it.
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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #66 on: June 25, 2011, 07:38:12 AM »
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I have a dream...    that dream is going to kill us in 2012.

Yup.  Your dream of another Lib lite on the ballot probably is going to kill us in 2012.
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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #67 on: June 25, 2011, 07:39:03 AM »
We need a cheerleader smilie --- hooray for our team. 



Snarky little bitch when folks don't see things your way ain't ya?
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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #68 on: June 25, 2011, 07:42:58 AM »
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57744.html#ixzz1QHpNgqva


Oh yeah ... this is your source?

Lets just get the DNC's "take" on whats happening "behind the scenes" .. err .. I mean Politico's.

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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #69 on: June 25, 2011, 07:47:52 AM »
That's because a large portion of the GOP actually is a group of inept chumps.  Come on...  McCain for President?  Romney will be their selection for 2012.  Yeah... There's a real conservative for ya.

Hmmm, seeing as I have not yet decided who I am supporting kindly show me where I have stated this, or even inferred it.    


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Show me where I said that.

I truly wish I had lost that bet.  But Boehner gives a whole new meaning to the phrase limp dick ***** boy.  I knew he wouldn't have the spine to stand up to Teh One.

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I didn't say it would scare him.  I asked if you thought it would.  Do you honsestly think that a non-binding House resolution would have kept Obama on the defensive?  I don't care if Rooney's legislation would have scared the asshat in the WH.  It would have indicated that the House was serious about at least attempting to reign in the would be emperor.

And I am telling you that I do NOT think that a non-binding House resolution would have kept Obama on the defensive any more than he already is.  It would have been wasted paper and a lot of us know that.

Very confused on your commentary here then, as I never at anytime inferred that a non-binding resolution would "scare" anyone or prompt Obama to change his Libya policy.   It will keep it in the news, with Obama on the constant defensive.   This.is.a.good.thing.for.the.2012.elections. What part of that are you having the toughest time understanding?  :whatever:
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Keep up with the insults though, it seems to be all you have going for you on this issue.

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Oh, hurt feelings rich?   The ridiculous accusations hurled my way in this thread and others did not offend your sense of fair debate?  :whatever:


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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #70 on: June 25, 2011, 07:49:39 AM »
Yup.  Your dream of another Lib lite on the ballot probably is going to kill us in 2012.


Snarky little bitch when folks don't see things your way ain't ya?

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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #71 on: June 25, 2011, 07:52:29 AM »
Oh yeah ... this is your source?

Lets just get the DNC's "take" on whats happening "behind the scenes" .. err .. I mean Politico's.

 :whatever:



Oh so Bachmann, Ryan, Pence and Issa voted to defund Libya?   My bad.   

I think you are needed back at recess on any elementary school playground -- you need better material than "Lord Stinky"  <--- honestly, I can't imagine why that hasn't caught on here.   

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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #72 on: June 25, 2011, 07:53:59 AM »
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Hmmm, seeing as I have not yet decided who I am supporting kindly show me where I have stated this, or even inferred it.   

You were on this board practically drooling all over yourself when Romney announced he was running.  Now that doesn't mean you have fully decided yet, but it sure seems to indicate which way you tilt politically speaking.

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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #73 on: June 25, 2011, 07:54:50 AM »
You were on this board practically drooling all over yourself when Romney announced he was running.  Now that doesn't mean you have fully decided yet, but it sure seems to indicate which way you tilt politically speaking.



Really?  where.   


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Re: Boehner gives Obama Friday deadline on Libya
« Reply #74 on: June 25, 2011, 08:07:21 AM »
Yeah, that's what I thought.




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