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marmar (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-07-08 09:04 AMOriginal message Did An Iraqi Soldier Kill US Troops for Kicking a Pregnant Woman? Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 09:08 AM by marmarfrom AlterNet's PEEK:Did An Iraqi Soldier Kill US Troops for Kicking a Pregnant Woman?Posted by Siun , Firedoglake at 9:32 PM on January 6, 2008."His blood rose and he asked the occupying soldiers to stop beating the woman. Their answer: 'We will do what we want.' So he opened fire."Yesterday there were a flurry of reports about an Iraqi soldier shooting and killing two US soldiers during a joint mission. Reported as the first time this has happened, the reports in the American press may tell only half the story.The rather startled reports repeated assertions that the attack was for "reasons unknown." Iraqi reports say the US soldiers were kicking a pregnant Iraqi woman when shot. Here's what we've been able to learn so far.On December 26, two American soldiers were killed during a "joint Iraqi-U.S. patrol undertaking security duty in al-Haramat area, western Mosul."The Multinational Force press office initially reported these deaths on December 28:The Department of Defense announced today the death of two soldiers who were supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. They died Dec. 26 in Mosul, Iraq, of wounds suffered from small arms fire during dismounted combat operations.Yesterday the MNF changed the story, releasing a new statement:Two US Soldiers killed during a combined Iraqi Army and CF operation in Ninewah province on Dec. 26, were allegedly shot by an Iraqi Soldier.For reasons that are as yet unknown, at least one Iraqi Army Soldier allegedly opened fire ... The incident occurred as US and Iraqi Army Soldiers were conducting operations to establish a combat outpost. Three other US Soldiers and one civilian interpreter were wounded in the attack.The Iraqi Soldier who allegedly opened fire fled the scene but was identified by other Iraqi Army personnel and was then apprehended. Two Iraqi Army Soldiers are More...now being held in connection with the incident.Coalition and Iraqi investigations into the incident are underway.The AP reported on the new version - but did not mention that the MNF had previously given a very different account and repeats Green Zone government claims that:Initial results from an Iraqi investigation indicate that the soldier who opened fire may have links to local militants, said Brig. Mutaa Habib Jassim al-Khazrachi, commander of the Iraqi army's 2nd Division, who did not elaborate.They leave out the part of the story which is capturing attention in Iraq. Aswat Al Iraq provided the initial lead that there was more that was not being reported here:The U.S. side denied that this Iraqi soldier opened fire at U.S. servicemen because they sexually harassed an Iraqi girl,, affirming that the scene where the incident took place was void of any civilians. (emph added) Thanks to help from Dubhaltach of GorillasGuides who has looked at the Arabic media for us, we have the following additional information from several sources including Yagen and Al Akhbar (Lebanon):The reports are that during searching the woman's house the Americans assaulted her and when she was on the ground started to kick. The soldier who is named Caesar Saadi Al-Jibouri asked them to stop beating her and when via interpreter they refused saying that could do as they wished he went to one of the patrol vehicles and opened fire. (via email) ......(more)The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/72895 /
ck4829 (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-07-08 09:33 AMResponse to Reply #3 5. Yep, there might have been some perfectly good reason why they were doing that Kicking an Iraqi woman on the ground who they already shot, right?I, too, will wait for more information. But, if it turns out that the Iraqi soldier saved her life from the soldiers, then it will only be one more abuse in a long line of abuses, too many to just say "Oh, it's only some bad apples who are doing it."
Echo In Light (844 posts) Mon Jan-07-08 11:43 AMResponse to Reply #5 17. The problem is, when somebody knows one of the "bad apples," they don't see them as such Seriously, when I've gotten into this debate with anyone, the only ones who get defensive about castigating the role of a military occupation are those who have family/friends enlisted. From there the equation is simple to determine. They're in denial that the system intentionally produces "bad apples."
Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Mon Jan-07-08 12:21 PMResponse to Reply #29 32. Why would you? Why would you automatically believe papers from people who hate us ( often with good reason)and join in the spitting on the memory of a couple dead soldiers with no other basis then that provided 3rd and 4th hand via the internet?How would you feel if that was your son, father, brother, friend who was being talked about like that without any sort of proof.
Echo In Light (844 posts) Mon Jan-07-08 09:11 AMResponse to Original message 2. Just one of a long list of reasons I don't mindlessly "support" the "heroes." Ugh
Echo In Light (844 posts) Mon Jan-07-08 11:28 AMResponse to Reply #4 14. Yet we do know that between sanctions in the 90s, and now with the occupation, the death toll... Of Iraqis is astounding. God bless America? Don't count on it. God forgive America is much closer to the point...
Echo In Light (844 posts) Mon Jan-07-08 11:39 AMResponse to Reply #15 16. Especially ones who join the service as a vehicle to enable acting on their pathology ...not to mention the ****ed up brainwashing they receive once they've enlisted: KILL! KILL! KILL!Jesus saves...
There's a reason why patriotism is considered a conservative value. Watch a Tea Party rally and you'll see people proudly raising the American flag and showing pride in U.S. heroes such as Thomas Jefferson. Watch an OWS rally and you'll see people burning the American flag while showing pride in communist heroes such as Che Guevera. --Bob, from some news site
Let me get this straight...this is a story from DU, lifted from a blog, with inconsistencies about what the soldiers did that provoked an Iraqi soldier, that may have connections to militants, to shoot them?
