primitive's so frustrated

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11831403

Oh my.

noiretextatique (23,522 posts)    Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:26 PM

My 80 yo mother is addicted to my drug-addicted nephew

He is 28 years old and has been living with her for 10 years. He has done nothing but get into trouble for 10 years. We've talked to my Mom about it, but recently I decided to take action. I convinced her to get a restraining order because he was using and selling meth in her house, and bringing drug addicts and dealers into her house. Over the past ten years, he has racked up an impressive petty criminal record, including two domestic violence convictions, and two possession of meth charges, and just two weeks ago, he was finally charged with felony possession and a 657b enhancement...that's CA's 3 strikes law.
 
My mother has been violating the restraining order by allowing him to come to her house and talking to him on the phone. Funny...she tried to visit him in jail, but the jailer told her she could not: because SHE has a restraining order against him. My mother is of sound mind and body...except when it comes to him...and my drug addicted brother. My brother at least has his own apartment, but he relies on my mother financially, to some extent.
 
He is a danger to her. And she is a danger to herself when it comes to him. I want my mother to sell her house, but she is resistant only because she wants to keep a home for him....but she really doesn't want him, or his drug activity in her house. Her latest solution is to house him in the garage, even though the restraining order prohibits that.
 
I think it is time for conservatorship, based on the fact that the nephew has undue influence over her...like battered woman or Stockholm syndrome. He has stolen her car, three new televisions from her house, and god only knows how much cash. He has assaulted both his sisters, and two women he was dating. He is using and dealing meth. I keep asking her: what does he have to do before you see him for who he is? I am afraid she is going to be hurt if she continues to deal with him, and I know she will because she is obsessed with him. And it is so sad. His two younger sisters are both nurses, and doing very well, But until I filed the restraining order, they would not even come to her house.
 
I am so frustrated. The family all agree that what has been happening is not good, and that she is a danger to herself because of her enabling. Yet, they want her to maintain her independence. And so do I, but I know she cannot break this cycle of co-dependency with him without our help. She even suggested that we get conservatorship. So...I think I am going to make the decision without the rest of the family, and do what I can to to keep my mother safe, because I know she will continue to put herself in danger.

enough (7,902 posts)    Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:33 PM

1. What a difficult situation. I don't have any good advice, but

I'm curious about the parents of this nephew. One or the other of them would be your mother's sibling. Are the young man's parents in the picture?

noiretextatique (23,522 posts)    Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:39 PM

2. the sperm donor has never been in his life, and my sister died 8 years ago

very suddenly and tragically from inflammatory breast cancer. while she was in the hospital, she kicked him out of her house, and told my mother not to let him in her house. of course she did, and the rest is history. he plays on her emotions because of my sister's death, but his youngest sister was in high school when she died, and his other sister was a freshman in college. the girls have honored their mother by doing well, while he has made excuses for being an asshole. i offered to get him into to rehab, using his money from his mother's trust, but he refused. now my mother is obsessed with getting him into rehab, so he has housing, but at this point...i don't care what he does. i just want my mother to be away from him, even if it is against her will.

LiberalEsto (20,669 posts)    Tue Sep 16, 2014, 05:16 PM

3. I suggest you get good legal advice from someone who practices in this area of the law

Your mother is at risk of losing her home and/or her life.

She could lose her home if it gets confiscated by law enforcement because he deals there.
 
He could burn the place down. Meth can be a severe fire hazard, from what I've read.
 
If one of his drug deals goes bad, someone could come and shoot whoever is in the house, including your mother.
 
I think this is an emergency situation and needs to be dealt with as soon as possible.

Hoppy (720 posts)    Tue Sep 16, 2014, 07:01 PM

5. Call the local bar association and get a referral for an elder law attorney.

Consultation is free or about $25.00

noiretextatique (23,522 posts)    Tue Sep 16, 2014, 07:19 PM

6. thanks

i kno what needs to be done. i am trying to get by the family on -board...that is the current problem. however, i am willing ot proceed without them. Mom is a master manipulator and liar....she learned from him. She has convinvinced my nieces that i am forcing her from her house, but she fails to mention that she says the house is too much for her and there is the matter of the drug addict that she cannot let got of, even with the restraining order.

No Vested Interest (1,926 posts)    Tue Sep 16, 2014, 07:58 PM

7. If you must get a conservatorship, and perhaps you must,

attempt to have it as a temporary thing, rather than permanent.

During that time, get her into a housing situation - either a good independent living facility or a condo or apartment large enough to have security, etc. Hopefully. enough time will elapse where he will be forced to be on his own or at least break the tie she has with him - perhaps a year will be enough to do this.
 
The reason I say temporary is that recently a friend of mine, a retired attorney, has been declared incompetent at the behest of her sister and the sister's children. The situation is so tragic in that they have deprived this woman of her sense of self-worth, as well as freedom to lead her life as best as she is able. (She just turned 80, and is, in fact, losing some of her mental acuity, but the cure - declared incompetency - is cruel.
 
Your attention to this matter is to be applauded.

noiretextatique (23,522 posts)    Tue Sep 16, 2014, 08:30 PM

8. i do not want to take control of her life

except for her obsession with the asshole. i would not take control of her life or her finances, except as related to him and my brother. i know she cannot stop herself, even if her life and property are at stake. the RO protects her only to the extent that she allows, which is why i am even considering conservatorship. thanks for your input.

No Vested Interest (1,926 posts)    Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:06 AM

9. It sounds as though you are well-grounded in the legal process

that you will be initiating.

Try to keep letting her know that you are doing this out of love for her.

I am not too many years behind your mother, and I will tell you that even a most competent older adult does lose some emotional strength and will take the easy way out with some family members.
 As you say, this grandson must have her bamboozled in some fashion.

Good luck in your efforts.

noiretextatique (23,522 posts)    Wed Sep 17, 2014, 10:16 AM

10. thank you. he definitely has undue influence over her

she keeps saying she wants him to get a job, and i keep telling her that he cannot pass a drug test, which will be required for the menial jobs he can get. she wants to convince him to go to rehab, but he does not want to go. he may not be a lost cause, but her enabling is not helping him...she is actually allowing him to continue using drugs and be a criminal. the rest of the family is perfectly fine with her dying at his hands, but i don't want that to happen. i am trying to protect her from him, and from herself...by any means necessary. my mother is trying to compensate for her failure as a mother with us (she was mentally ill during our formative years) and as i keep telling her, it is too late to create a better past. i just want her to enjoy the rest of her life without dealing with drug addict/criminal drama...or losing her house...or being killed by him or his addict friends. it is love that motivates me, and common fng sense.

RebelOne (30,112 posts)    Wed Sep 17, 2014, 03:06 PM

11. Sounds familiar.

My mother had similar problems with my brother. Drug problems, drug dealing and stealing from her. Every time he got into trouble with the law, she always bailed him out. He has been in jail most of his life off and on. After she passed away at age 78, the estate lawyer said that my mother would have been a very wealthy woman if it had not been for all the money she spend to keep him out of trouble. Now he is 53 years old and wearing an ankle monitor because of his last scrape with the law and my mother is no longer here to bail him out.

noiretextatique (23,522 posts)    Wed Sep 17, 2014, 05:40 PM

12. very familiar

she did the same thing with my brother, who is still an addict, but mostly self-sufficient. i don't understand what SHE gets out of it. she has the option to spend time with me, my sister, or my nieces, but she keeps choosing his chaos and idiocy. i guess it gives her life meaning, but it is so very sad. i just want her to enjoy the rest of her life without his bs. i am so sorry about your mother.

[Chris_]

Liberal family values

[JohnnyReb]

Asshole is spending mom's money on drugs that DUmmie could spend on drugs if asshole was out of the picture.

Am I close?

[Carl]

Is there one DUmp family that isn`t ****ed up beyond words?

[BlueStateSaint]

Asshole is spending mom's money on drugs that DUmmie could spend on drugs if asshole was out of the picture.

Am I close?

I think that you might have X-ringed it.

[USA4ME]

meth = gov't (welfare)
nephew = liberal moochers
mom = liberal moocher enablers
noiretextatique primitive = one who wants to be the liberal moocher
sisters = victims of moochers

Yeah, this scenario plays out in the lives of liberals in so many parallel ways.

.

[DumbAss Tanker]

noiretextatique (23,522 posts)    Tue Sep 16, 2014, 07:19 PM

6. thanks

i kno what needs to be done. i am trying to get by the family on -board...that is the current problem. however, i am willing ot proceed without them. Mom is a master manipulator and liar....she learned from him. She has convinvinced my nieces that i am forcing her from her house, but she fails to mention that she says the house is too much for her and there is the matter of the drug addict that she cannot let got of, even with the restraining order.

What's her DU name, then?

And how could she possibly misinterpret you trying to take over her affairs and sell her house out from under her as anything but an act of love and concern?

  

[JohnnyReb]

What's her DU name, then?

And how could she possibly misinterpret you trying to take over her affairs and sell her house out from under her as anything but an act of love and concern?
 

You've never felt loved so much until you've been "loved" by DUmmies.....and it hurts.

[67 Rover]

noiretextatique (23,522 posts)    Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:26 PM

My 80 yo mother is addicted to my drug-addicted nephew

He is 28 years old and has been living with her for 10 years. He has done nothing but get into trouble for 10 years. We've talked to my Mom about it, but recently I decided to take action. I convinced her to get a restraining order because he was using and selling meth in her house, and bringing drug addicts and dealers into her house. Over the past ten years, he has racked up an impressive petty criminal record, including two domestic violence convictions, and two possession of meth charges, and just two weeks ago, he was finally charged with felony possession and a 657b enhancement...that's CA's 3 strikes law.
 
My mother has been violating the restraining order by allowing him to come to her house and talking to him on the phone. Funny...she tried to visit him in jail, but the jailer told her she could not: because SHE has a restraining order against him. My mother is of sound mind and body...except when it comes to him...and my drug addicted brother. My brother at least has his own apartment, but he relies on my mother financially, to some extent.
 
He is a danger to her. And she is a danger to herself when it comes to him. I want my mother to sell her house, but she is resistant only because she wants to keep a home for him....but she really doesn't want him, or his drug activity in her house. Her latest solution is to house him in the garage, even though the restraining order prohibits that.
 
I think it is time for conservatorship, based on the fact that the nephew has undue influence over her...like battered woman or Stockholm syndrome. He has stolen her car, three new televisions from her house, and god only knows how much cash. He has assaulted both his sisters, and two women he was dating. He is using and dealing meth. I keep asking her: what does he have to do before you see him for who he is? I am afraid she is going to be hurt if she continues to deal with him, and I know she will because she is obsessed with him. And it is so sad. His two younger sisters are both nurses, and doing very well, But until I filed the restraining order, they would not even come to her house.
 
I am so frustrated. The family all agree that what has been happening is not good, and that she is a danger to herself because of her enabling. Yet, they want her to maintain her independence. And so do I, but I know she cannot break this cycle of co-dependency with him without our help. She even suggested that we get conservatorship. So...I think I am going to make the decision without the rest of the family, and do what I can to to keep my mother safe, because I know she will continue to put herself in danger.

How do you know that it was not medicinal meth?  Perhaps he was helping out cancer patients get the medicine they need to smoke.  Did you ever stop to think about that?

[GOBUCKS]

Another DUmmy desperate to get his hands on Mom's money.

Sounds a lot like DUmmy Bennyboy (the huge guy with "squeamish carcinoma"), who smothered the old folks for weed money.