idiot Briggs wants to see a list

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025559385

Oh my.

IdaBriggs (8,108 posts)    Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:30 PM

Is there a list out there of people who legally CAN'T HAVE GUNS?

Is it as easily accessible as the "sexual predators" websites?

MineralMan (67,076 posts)    Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:40 PM

1. There is, but it's partial and not public.

If you go to a gun shop to purchase a firearm, you fill out a form with all your personal identification info, and the gun shop checks with a phone call to see if you can be sold the firearm. There's no way, though, for the public to consult that list in any way.
 
It doesn't apply to private sales in many jurisdiction and of course doesn't apply in illegal sales, which take place constantly around the country.
 
Here's a link to a pdf of the 4473 form people buying a firearm from a dealer fill out:
 
https://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

Kelvin Mace (12,232 posts)    Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:42 PM

2. Well, there is the unofficial list

which involves any skin tone darker than the arresting officer.

^^^the malicious cartoon character primitive, the "Kevin Malice" primitive.

He was the primitive who long ago got on the case of a prominent vote-fraud activist; he tried to cheat her, and as she wouldn't let him cheat her, he hated her.

FBaggins (13,343 posts)    Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:42 PM

3. Not as public information, no

Nor should it be.

NYC_SKP (61,522 posts)    Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:50 PM

5. No, and any list would use criteria that varies by state.

Broadly, the list would include felons, and might include mentally ill, domestic violence convictions, substance abusers, etc.
 
But such a list would violate HIPAA if it included mentally unfit, so I wouldn't expect to see this happen anytime soon.
 
http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/possession-of-a-firearm-by-the-mentally-ill.aspx
 
Firearm Licensure: 50 State Picture

43 States and DC have some prohibitions of firearm licensure for persons with mental illness.

36 States have prohibitions for drug abuse.

31 States have prohibitions for alcohol abuse.

20 States and DC have databases that track individuals with mental illness.

http://www.ncsl.org/Portals/1/documents/health/forum/health_data.pdf
 
So, I don't know, do we want to be able to map out all criminals/felons the way one can with sexual predators?
 
I don't know if we want that or not.

^^^Skippy.

PoliticAverse (9,701 posts)    Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:53 PM

6. The system used at the Federal level is NCIS and it isn't available to the general public...

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, is all about saving lives and protecting people from harm—by not letting guns and explosives fall into the wrong hands. It also ensures the timely transfer of firearms to eligible gun buyers.
 
Mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993 and launched by the FBI on November 30, 1998, NICS is used by Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) to instantly determine whether a prospective buyer is eligible to buy firearms or explosives. Before ringing up the sale, cashiers call in a check to the FBI or to other designated agencies to ensure that each customer does not have a criminal record or isn’t otherwise ineligible to make a purchase. More than 100 million such checks have been made in the last decade, leading to more than 700,000 denials.
 
NICS is located at the FBI’s Criminal Justice Information Services Division in Clarksburg, West Virginia. It provides full service to FFLs in 30 states, five U.S. territories, and the District of Columbia. Upon completion of the required Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Form 4473, FFLs contact the NICS Section via a toll-free telephone number or electronically on the Internet through the NICS E-Check System to request a background check with the descriptive information provided on the ATF Form 4473. NICS is customarily available 17 hours a day, seven days a week, including holidays (except for Christmas). Please be advised that calls may be monitored and recorded for any authorized purpose.

NYC_SKP (61,522 posts)    Fri Sep 19, 2014, 02:01 PM

7. PS: More on who can't possess:

I'm thinking every other household in many parts of the country would appear on that map!
 
Who Cannot Have a Gun in America?

The Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits certain people from possessing a firearm. The possession of any firearm by one of these "prohibited persons" is a felony offense. It is also a felony for any person, including a registered Federal Firearms Licensee to sell or otherwise transfer any firearm to a person knowing or having "reasonable cause" to believe that the person receiving the firearm is prohibited from firearm possession. There are nine categories of persons prohibited from possessing firearms under the Gun Control Act:
 
Persons under indictment for, or convicted of, any crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding on year;
Fugitives from justice;
Persons who are unlawful users of, or addicted to, any controlled substance;
Persons who have been declared by a court as mental defectives or have been committed to a mental institution;
Illegal aliens, or aliens who were admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa;
Persons who have been dishonorably discharged from the Armed Forces;
Persons who have renounced their United States citizenship;
Persons subject to certain types of restraining orders; and
Persons who have been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

With limited exceptions, persons under eighteen years of age are prohibited from possessing handguns.
 
http://usgovinfo.about.com/blnoguns.htm

^^^if that law were enforced, there'd be no guns in certain "ethnic" neighborhoods.

[USA4ME]

So the answer is there's a list but it's not for the public.

Why can't primitives ever think to just answer their stupid questions and not go into a bunch of extra info that's worthless? Oh, that's right, they're primitives.

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[fatboy]

idiot Briggs wants to verify that he/she/it is on that list.

[Mr Mannn]

Personally, I'm glad DUmmies are afraid of guns. It is way too easy to enrage a DUmmy. Add alcohol or drugs and you have a politically based serial killer.

The Klu Klux Klams would gladly kill men, for nothing more than gender. They would claim victim-hood saying, "He hated women!"

Nope, its best to leave the guns to real men and women

[dane]

DUmmy watches too much TV, gets acronyms mixed up

PoliticAverse (9,701 posts)    Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:53 PM

6. The system used at the Federal level is NCIS and it isn't available to the general public...

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS,