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« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2014, 06:14:15 PM »


Please...do tell all of us...how is a belief in man made global warming and open borders the likes of what we're seeing now...things that Johnson supports...Conservative in ANY way?

How is McConnell's support for bailouts and romney's romneycare conservative in ANY way? I can play that game too.   Look, as I said before, MMGW is nonsense but I don't really care if somebody believes in it or not.  The problem is when people try to take from me to do something about it, that's not something Johnson was willing to do.  And I'm not okay with anyone supporting open borders. Glad to see you support romneycare so willingly.
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« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2014, 07:08:28 PM »
How is McConnell's support for bailouts and romney's romneycare conservative in ANY way? I can play that game too.   Look, as I said before, MMGW is nonsense but I don't really care if somebody believes in it or not.  The problem is when people try to take from me to do something about it, that's not something Johnson was willing to do.  And I'm not okay with anyone supporting open borders. Glad to see you support romneycare so willingly.

Romneycare? 

There is absolutely no comparison between "Romneycare" and Obamacare.  Romneycare doesn't violate states' rights.  Romneycare care didn't paint a target on the back of the Little Sisters of the Poor, Hobby Lobby, and any other Christian business or religious order. 

Romney was a moderate, but he had an incredible foreign policy team.  He was endorsed by 500 retired generals/admirals.  You voted for a liberal that helped give us four more years of Barack Obama.

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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2014, 07:51:39 PM »
Romneycare? 

There is absolutely no comparison between "Romneycare" and Obamacare.  Romneycare doesn't violate states' rights.  Romneycare care didn't paint a target on the back of the Little Sisters of the Poor, Hobby Lobby, and any other Christian business or religious order. 

Romney was a moderate, but he had an incredible foreign policy team.  He was endorsed by 500 retired generals/admirals.  You voted for a liberal that helped give us four more years of Barack Obama.

ISIS thanks you.

Romney had every opportunity to concede to a better conservative, I don't settle for squishy candidates.
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« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2014, 09:19:53 PM »
Romney had every opportunity to concede to a better conservative, I don't settle for squishy candidates.

There was nothing squishy about his foreign policy.  We have a JV President. 

Not to mention, you didn't even vote for a conservative.

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« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2014, 09:24:36 PM »
There was nothing squishy about his foreign policy.  We have a JV President. 

Not to mention, you didn't even vote for a conservative.

sure I did, Johnson lined up better with traditional conservative values better than Romney.  His economics were better,  more focus on the individual. If i wanted a whiter Obama, I'd have voted for Romney.
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« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2014, 02:29:04 AM »
Romney had every opportunity to concede to a better conservative, I don't settle for squishy candidates.

Winners don't concede. He won the primary, why the hell would he say, "Oh, I'm just not conservative enough...here, you take the nomination." Why doesn't the winning Super Bowl team give up their trophy to the losers? You can't possibly be serious.

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« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2014, 07:03:05 AM »
Winners don't concede. He won the primary, why the hell would he say, "Oh, I'm just not conservative enough...here, you take the nomination." Why doesn't the winning Super Bowl team give up their trophy to the losers? You can't possibly be serious.

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You can't seriously believe that Romney represents the best of conservative values.
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« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2014, 11:00:41 AM »
You voted for a pro abortion, pro same sex marriage, and pro open borders candidate. 
He's the opposite of conservative. 

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« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2014, 01:09:44 PM »
sure I did, Johnson lined up better with traditional conservative values better than Romney.  His economics were better,  more focus on the individual. If i wanted a whiter Obama, I'd have voted for Romney.

I can name you Dems that lined up better on economics than Romney.  Doesn't make them Conservative.

You're doing a lot of dancing here...you've yet to state one specific thing that made/makes Gary Johnson Conservative.

You seem to be short on specifics.
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« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2014, 01:14:56 PM »
How is McConnell's support for bailouts and romney's romneycare conservative in ANY way? I can play that game too.

No one here was talking about them...you made the statement on Johnson...I showed where you were wrong...now you're deflecting.

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Look, as I said before, MMGW is nonsense but I don't really care if somebody believes in it or not. 

But your supposed "Conservative" believes in it.  Were he to get elected by some fluke he'd side with the Progressives on this issue...as he would on the border.

You SHOULD care...you're the one touting his Conservative credentials.


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The problem is when people try to take from me to do something about it, that's not something Johnson was willing to do.  And I'm not okay with anyone supporting open borders.

You made the statement:

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I voted for Gary Johnson. His ideals were much more in tune with what a true conservative should be.

I simple asked how support for illegal drugs open borders and man made global warming are principals of a "true conservative".

You've done your best to avoid answering that.

Why?  I mean after all you were bold enough to tout him as the Conservatives Conservative.


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Glad to see you support romneycare so willingly.

I don't.  I never have and I never will.  That's just a straw man you're tossing out there to deflect from the fact you stepped in it with what you said.
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« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2014, 01:16:22 PM »
You voted for a pro abortion, pro same sex marriage, and pro open borders candidate. 
He's the opposite of conservative.

Shhhh you can't tell the Paulbots that.
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« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2014, 12:18:53 AM »
Shhhh you can't tell the Paulbots that.

Paulbots and Purists will help ensure another Senate Majority for the Dems.

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« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2014, 09:36:17 AM »
You can't seriously believe that Romney represents the best of conservative values.

None of us here tried to claim that.  You're creating a strawman.
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« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2014, 08:08:37 PM »
None of us here tried to claim that.  You're creating a strawman.

I voted for the stronger conservative, why didn't you? why did you sacrifice your values just so the red team would win and disappoint you all over again?  Charlie Brown, there's a football with your name on it...
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« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2014, 08:55:53 PM »
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why did you sacrifice your values just so the red team would win

I dunno. Maybe to keep the blue team from winning and adding more socialist moonbats to the Supreme Court?

Or maybe it's because we realize anyone acceptable to either party's Purity Brigade will lose a landslide 100% of the time in a national election.

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« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2014, 01:47:11 AM »
I dunno. Maybe to keep the blue team from winning and adding more socialist moonbats to the Supreme Court?

Or maybe it's because we realize anyone acceptable to either party's Purity Brigade will lose a landslide 100% of the time in a national election.

Also, while Romney is a moderate, he ran on conservative principles.  Gary Johnson is a liberal who ran on liberal principles. 

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« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2014, 09:59:23 AM »
Also, while Romney is a moderate, he ran on conservative principles.  Gary Johnson is a liberal who ran on liberal principles.

One left a state surplus and the other left socialized medicine in his state... let's talk about those conservative principles...
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« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2014, 10:39:46 AM »
One left a state surplus and the other left socialized medicine in his state... let's talk about those conservative principles...

I keep trying to...you keep ducking the topic.

What Conservative Principals does Gary Johnson actually have?
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« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2014, 11:20:53 AM »
I keep trying to...you keep ducking the topic.

What Conservative Principals does Gary Johnson actually have?

I spelled it out before, but I guess some people need remedial help.  Here are just a few:

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•Lay out a process for state bankruptcies. (Aug 2012)
•No bank bailout; no farm subsidies; no stimulus. (May 2012)
•Cut federal budget by 43% to bring it into balance. (Feb 2012)
•Trillion-dollar stimulus failed; so will another $450B? (Sep 2011)
•We could have avoided default without raising debt ceiling. (Aug 2011)
•Ending the fed OK, but that's only part of the solution. (Aug 2011)
•Stop incurring more debt; balanced budget by 2013. (Jul 2011)
•Our debt is greatest threat to our national security. (Jul 2011)
•Opposed TARP, stimulus & Fannie Mae bailout. (Jul 2011)
•End the Fed; they've devalued the dollar by printing money. (May 2011)
•On verge of financial collapse unless we balance budget. (May 2011)
•Balance budget by cutting entitlements AND Defense. (Apr 2011)
•Uphold commitments to states before other spending. (Sep 2001)

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•Vetoed early release of prisoners due to overcrowding. (Aug 2012)
•Vetoed hate crime legislation as thought-crime. (Aug 2012)
•Built private prisons to replace out-of-state prisoners. (Aug 2012)
•Private prisons cost $20 less/day than public control. (Aug 2012)
•DNA evidence shows many people are mistakenly convicted. (Aug 2012)
•1994: Proponent of death penalty, but willing to debate it. (Jan 2012)
•Death penalty as a public policy is flawed. (Jan 2012)
•Don't risk putting innocent to death. (Aug 2011)
•Half of crime is drug-related; legalizing drugs cuts crime. (Jan 2001)
•Supports flexible federal block grants for crime programs. (Sep 2001)
•Zero tolerance for violence against government employees. (Aug 2001)

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•Public education system needs major reform. (Aug 2012)
•Vouchers OK for church childcare & church schools. (Aug 2012)
•$3,500 voucher for every K-12 student. (Aug 2012)
•Vouchers are as constitutional as pre-school and day-care. (Aug 2012)
•Competition would make our schools better. (Aug 2012)
•I support evolution; but no federal involvement. (May 2012)
•No student loans; they cause higher tuition. (Nov 2011)
•Education Dept. takes 16 cents for every 11 cents it gives. (Sep 2011)
•Abolish Departments of Education and HUD. (Aug 2011)
•Give every student in New Mexico vouchers worth $3,500. (Jul 2011)
•Put educational funds in the hands of the people who use it. (May 2011)
•End the Department of Education. (May 2011)
•No student loans; they cause higher tuition. (Feb 2011)
Very Friedmanish on schooling.
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« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2014, 04:06:21 PM »
And then you ignored abortion, same-sex marriage, and illegal immigration. 

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« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2014, 07:46:24 PM »
The poster I replied to for those slow to comprehend, and bolded for absolute clarity:
I keep trying to...you keep ducking the topic.

What Conservative Principals does Gary Johnson actually have?

And then you ignored abortion, same-sex marriage, and illegal immigration.
I answered that post that asked what CONSERVATIVE principals Johnson had.  I answered that.  Economics and education are my biggest issues, if you need to cherry pick my answers, that's your problem, not mine. How bout them purity tests...
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« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2014, 03:29:56 AM »
I voted for the stronger conservative, why didn't you?

Ummm newsflash for you...if you wasted your vote on Gary Johnson...you dod NOT vote for the stronger Conservative.

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why did you sacrifice your values just so the red team would win and disappoint you all over again?
 

I find myself asking you the same question.


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Charlie Brown, there's a football with your name on it...

Says the guy who threw away his vote on a Libertarian.


And again you seem incapable of unwilling to show specifics on what supposedly makes Johnson Conservative not to mention you refuse to address his support for man made global warming and open borders.

IF he's so conservative...why is he so firmly behind such Progressive causes?

No real Conservative would support either one of those.
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« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2014, 03:43:01 AM »
The poster I replied to for those slow to comprehend, and bolded for absolute clarity:I answered that post that asked what CONSERVATIVE principals Johnson had.  I answered that.

And yet what you stated could be cited by fiscally conservative sociall Liberal Dems like Zell Miller, Sam Nunn and a host of others.

Those two things do not a Conservative make. 

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Economics and education are my biggest issues, if you need to cherry pick my answers, that's your problem, not mine.

Yippee he suppors a Fair Tax.  Yet he has no peoblems with Big Labor...to include the teachers unions.

He vowed to cut the military budget by 43% while saying NOTHING about dealing with unfunded liabilities.

He's anti-interventionist and borderline isolationist.

He's for open borders.

He's pro Pot.

He's a believer in the myth of man made global warming.  Infact he cites the EPA...THE EPA as an example of "good government".

He's pro abortion.

He wants to turn all non violent drug offenders loose on the streets.

He's pro gay marriage.

So tell me how exactly does that make Gary Johnson "the stronger conservative"

He's no more Conservative than RINO Ron Paul was.

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How bout them purity tests...

You tell me...you're the only claiming you're the ONLY pure Conservative here.
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« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2014, 04:04:10 AM »
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•Cut federal budget by 43% to bring it into balance. (Feb 2012) HE was going to do that by cutting the military by that amount.
•Trillion-dollar stimulus failed; so will another $450B? (Sep 2011) ???
•We could have avoided default without raising debt ceiling. (Aug 2011) Conservatives oppose this, Libs pushed for it.
•Ending the fed OK, but that's only part of the solution. (Aug 2011) And do what?  Return to the Gold Standard?
•Stop incurring more debt; balanced budget by 2013. (Jul 2011) [b]Yet he supports contuing Social Sercurity and Medicaid. [/b]
•Our debt is greatest threat to our national security. (Jul 2011) Yet his only solution is to reduce the military budget.
•End the Fed; they've devalued the dollar by printing money. (May 2011) Again and replace it with what?
•On verge of financial collapse unless we balance budget. (May 2011) And how does he propose to do that?
•Balance budget by cutting entitlements AND Defense. (Apr 2011) He favores continuing Social Security and Medicaid so he's NOT ending entitlements...and he wants to cut Defense to a level worse than Obama.







•Vetoed early release of prisoners due to overcrowding. (Aug 2012) Yet he wants to turn drug offenders loose.
•Built private prisons to replace out-of-state prisoners. (Aug 2012) Which was foolish
•Private prisons cost $20 less/day than public control. (Aug 2012) Because they don't pay their employees and guards very well which leads to mismanagement and corruption.•DNA evidence shows many people are mistakenly convicted. (Aug 2012)
•1994: Proponent of death penalty, but willing to debate it. (Jan 2012) So he's willing to flip flop of the price is right?
•Death penalty as a public policy is flawed. (Jan 2012) Yet he claims just above this to support it.  Why the double speak?
•Don't risk putting innocent to death. (Aug 2011) We don't.  That's a typical Liberal talking point.
•Half of crime is drug-related; legalizing drugs cuts crime. (Jan 2001) That's another Liberal talking point.  It will lead to black markets and increased instances of DUI's.  Just ask Colorado.  No to mention Pot is a gateway drug to harder drugs.
•Supports flexible federal block grants for crime programs. (Sep 2001) So do Liberals!  Midnight basketball ring a bell?
•Zero tolerance for violence against government employees. (Aug 2001) So he's in the pocket of Big Labor.  How is that Conservative?





•Public education system needs major reform. (Aug 2012) Yet he supports the Teachers Unions
•$3,500 voucher for every K-12 student. (Aug 2012) Not every K-12 student needs this.  And who pays for it?
•Vouchers are as constitutional as pre-school and day-care. (Aug 2012) Huh?
•Competition would make our schools better. (Aug 2012) How can he make that happen if he still supports the teachers unions?
•I support evolution; but no federal involvement. (May 2012) So he just alienated the majority of the GOP base and made Liberals cheer.  Not very Conservative.•No student loans; they cause higher tuition. (Nov 2011)
•Abolish Departments of Education and HUD. (Aug 2011) Never happen as long as he supports the unions.
•Give every student in New Mexico vouchers worth $3,500. (Jul 2011) And how much did that cost the tax payers?
•Put educational funds in the hands of the people who use it. (May 2011) Not as long as he supports the teachers unions.
•End the Department of Education. (May 2011) See above
•No student loans; they cause higher tuition. (Feb 2011) So if he supports education...how are some kids supposed to go to College if he does this?  With a voucher?


When you break it down...Johnson comes across as just another RINO or in this case CINO.  He's pro labor...pro abortion and drugs...anti-Military and he's for open borders and legalization of drugs.

Not to mention his stances on gay "marriage" and DADT.

Still trying to see how he's the best Conservative out there.
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« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2014, 09:29:47 AM »
Reaction to the abysmal failures of doctinaire hard-over uncompromising laissez-faire Capitalism is what gave the Democrats a death-grip on the Congress for most of the 20th Century, not that active Federal economic meddling didn't produce plenty of failures of its own.  Both approaches, pursued inflexibly and zealously, will have periods of gross failure.  Personally, I'd rather not have a fanatic devotee of either one.

The guy's positions on education seem contradictory.  'Reform education' is going to be pretty hard to achieve if you abolish the instrumentality that the Feds use to deal with the subject while backing big unions like AFT to boot.  Really seems like a word salad where he's trying to sound like a Libertarian nutter and a Democrat union shill at the same time, and hoping people just notice the stuff they like in it.

The MMGW, open borders, and drug positions would've been enough to get Conservative base voters to stay away in droves, looking at those, it's fairly hard to see why he even ran as a Republican instead of as a Libertarian.  I guess he was planning on pulling a lot of Democrats in the general election, but I think the Democrat who is running would have kicked his ass on that one.  It would have been a blow-out like that stupid 'God told me to stay in the race' fanatic asshat Todd Akin gave us here in MO.

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