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Offline zeitgeist

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Study: Civil servant system outdated
« on: April 02, 2014, 09:57:46 AM »
Blind squirrel finds nut (again).  The last attempt to reform (under Booosh) met with incredible union opposition.   

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“Unable to compete for and retain some of the high-end skills and lacking the capacity to handle many critical day-to-day tasks, the government often has to look to outside contractors for the intellectual capital and know-how that is needed,” the report said. “There also is an absence of clarity and consequence regarding individual and organizational performance. Top performers seldom receive sufficient rewards, poor performers are rarely fired or demoted, and managers are not held accountable for how well they manage employees or the outcomes of the work they oversee.”

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Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/study-civil-servant-system-outdated-105257.html#ixzz2xk0iJMQW

The article is good, the comments?  Priceless.

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Government managers don't have a bottom line to be judged against.
They empire build, more employees and bigger budgets to get themselves moved up the ladder.

The most prized skill in government is "brown nosing".
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Grimm Tale > W0X0F  • 3 hours ago 

....The most prized skill in government is "brown nosing".

What is the difference between "brown nosing" and a "as kisser"?
Depth perception.
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SilverState > Jane  • an hour ago 

That strikes me as a shallow analysis. An "as" kisser is just there for the money since it requires no more work than welfare but it pays better and you get bene's.
The "brown noser" is all in, so to speak. Professional grade, as it were. Like a boss, er, lick.
Please, you gotta see beyond the obvious.
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Hologram5 > Jane  • 40 minutes ago 




What's the definition of a Sh*tHead? A brownnoser without brakes....
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 W0X0F  • 2 hours ago 

Entry-level skill requirement : "boot licking."



Obviously posted by disgruntled Federal Employees. :lol:


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Offline JohnnyReb

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Re: Study: Civil servant system outdated
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2014, 10:14:03 AM »
Reminds me of "The Peter Principle"...and when I first heard the title of that book in the 60's I thought it was about screwing....and it was. :lmao:
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Re: Study: Civil servant system outdated
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2014, 11:08:24 AM »
The comments are mostly just a bunch of name-calling malcontents.  There certainly are problems with the way civil service works, but all the touchstone gripes of both ends of the argument are not accurate.

To the people who cry about pay for performance on the 'pro' side, I had very negative experience with this in DOD's attempt to implement such a system.  It was worse than the old one, because the 'Performance' that ended up being rewarded was how far up the organizational tree your job was (And how close to Fairfax County, VA you worked), and out at the installations, whatever was left went to whoever actually worked directly with the few senior managers who actually sat on the pay pool.  It was just as hard to remove poor performers as ever, and shitty employees still had all the EEO, grievance, IG complaint, etc., procedures available to jerk the managers around.  But, because the rewards above minimum were so near impossible to get for anyone without a sweetheart connection, all the people who normally busted their asses ended up getting classed with the loser dead-asses (Which really are a small minority in DOD at least), which screwed their morale and made them even more cynical about the government than they already were (To the extent that was even possible). 

Ultimately, the few benefited, but it was the few in the right positions and with the right connections rather than the highest performers, who were generally the people doing all the grunt work within the organizations and directorates.  Of course, from the point of view of the self-congratulatory senior managers and transient two-year-tour senior military officers nominally in charge of a bunch of office operations they didn't understand jack shit about below the surface, obviously the people they liked must be the best, because they themselves were obviously the best, and they wouldn't like people who weren't the best, would they?  Of course, anyone whose job involved telling them things they didn't want to hear was going to be screwed, and so DOD became even more of a groupthink party than it already was.

The damage done by screwing all the hard workers to favor an in-crowd was only slightly moderated by the fact that the rewards were in a pretty modest range that would have been laughably modest in a corporate entrepreneurial environment.  It did however keep hard-working people stagnated, and drove a bunch of them to transfer to other agencies under the old system where they could keep their accumulated retirement benefits but still be in a system where they weren't frozen out of slow but steady advancement.

The old system started to look better and better by comparison, and finally after four years of screwing the pooch, DOD had to bite the bullet and go back to the old system.

Now, the old/current system has problems, but the whole 'high risk/high reward' paradigm is not one of them, which is the big failing of all these sorts of 'Reform' ideas.

People outside the government do not WANT their government to be doing 'high risk' things outside of war zones, they want it to predictably follow laws, rules, and regulations. 

By the same token, the kind of people who go to work for the government are a whole lot more interested in knowing how many hours they're going to work, what the rate of pay is definitely going to be, and what sort of set-in-stone benefit or retirement package goes with the job.  By and large, these workers will work just as hard as anyone could want for that definite pay rate, and uncertainty about pay only acts as a disincentive for them.
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Re: Study: Civil servant system outdated
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2014, 05:31:15 PM »
Seems like the browner the nose the higher one goes in most businesses.  The government is not exempt from the phenomenon.  However, the pay and protections inherent in Civil Service do make it hard to hire and retain good people.  I watched highly skilled work along side barely competent for the same rate of pay.  Guess who was demoralized?  It was so damn hard to remove someone for incompetence that I rarely saw it done in my thirty plus years.  New supervisors began all wide eyed and innocent but were quickly worn down by the system.  Not only did it require an act of congress to dispose of slugs it was neigh on impossible to reward top performers.  The merit pay system (an oxymoron if ever there was) breeds mediocrity at all levels. 

I was gone for NSPS but I do remember it was our Congress critter Carol Che Porter who had a hand in putting the spike through its heart.  That said it is well past time to reform the Civil Service system.  When reductions in force take place it can be very costly to an organization when they find their top people go out the door and the only slugs are left. I saw that happen and it was years before the organization began to recover. 

Today it must be even more difficult to keep good people.  With the CSRS (Civil Service Retirement System ~ similar to a defined benefit retirement) you became vested with golden handcuffs but that change with the FERS (Social Security based) system and TSP which made a more 'portable' system.  You use to think long and hard before hitting the silk and kicking away all those years in CSRS.  With FERS you are free take your $hit and get with much less  trouble.
   

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