DUmp on the Ukraine

[dutch508]

From the Beaking News page on DU:

steve2470 (18,658 posts)

Ukraine calls up military reservists

steve2470 (18,658 posts)

Ukraine parliament calls for international monitors and for necessary aid to ensure the safety of it

steve2470 (18,658 posts)

Russian servicemen confiscate weapons in Crimea region - Interfax

brooklynite (15,259 posts)

Ukraine live: Prime Minister of Ukraine says Russian military intervention would lead to war

Purveyor (17,628 posts)

Putin Tells Obama Russia Will Act In Case of Ukraine Violence

Mostly it's just steve# giving updates. the monkiez can't comment because this makes Barry look like a total *****. The most common reply to this situation on DU?

TheMightyFavog (13,558 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024589052

I really can't believe some of what I've been reading here today.
All these posts calling for President Obama to militarily intervene in Ukraine. Hell, I've even seen a couple of DUers go out and call on Obama to do the unthinkable and put the use of WMDs on the table.

What the hell happened to the DU I knew and loved when I joined back in 2002? Back then, DU was the beacon of sanity among the cacophony of war drums being beaten for Iraq. It was DU that inspired me to get involved in trying to steer my country away from the disaster that was the war in Iraq. It was stories of the activism of my fellow DUers that inspired a few friends and I to pile into my beat up 1992 Ford Tempo and drive an hour and a half to the nearest antiwar demonstration. It was DU that gave me the courage to go along with my friend's idea to gather in front of our county's courthouse to make our voices heard in a community where the majority of residents not only practically worshiped the ground that George W. Bush walked on, but also were practically chomping at the bit to see Saddam Hussein get a dose of candy coated kaboom courtesy of the good old U.S. of A.. Hell, some of the more ignorant of these people would have liked nothing better than to see Bush turn Baghdad into a glass parking lot.

However, march we did. We were a small group, but we made our opinions known. We spent hours in the cold waving our signs, singing songs, and trying to make our voices heard.

And yes, we got heckled. We got flipped off. We had people write nasty letters to the editor in our local newspapers calling us everything from communists to Satanists to traitors who hated America. And among all that hate that was being slung at us, DU was my refuge of sanity. It was where I could go to be around like minded people, and to know that I was not alone. That there were others like me who felt that military action against Iraq was a very bad idea. It was a place where we could deride and even poke fun at on the Bush administration and its supporters without fear of someone getting all in our face about how unamerican we were. And it's one of the reasons I still continue to treasure this place.

And now, we come to today. And now I'm hearing the very residents of the place that was (and still is) my refuge of sanity banging the war drums themselves. Wow, it's kind of darkly ironic.

That's all I have to say, except for may cooler heads prevail, and may this scary time pass with the fewest lives lost.

[Skul]

Think about this, DUmpmonkeys.  How do the Ruskis know where to look.

steve2470 (18,658 posts)

Russian servicemen confiscate weapons in Crimea region - Interfax

BTW, stevenumbers, thanks for the help on that, DUde. 

[USA4ME]

Economy is bad here. He screws up foreign affairs everywhere he goes.

But he's brilliant, I tell you!!  Brilliant!!

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[Crazy Horse]

Think about this, DUmpmonkeys.  How do the Ruskis know where to look.BTW, stevenumbers, thanks for the help on that, DUde. 

I know, I know...............

Because of common sense gun control measures like reduced magazine capacity, universal background checks and such.

[Dori]

Putin has all the cards.  He wants the Ukraine back in the fold. Not much anybody can do, since Russia supplies all their energy.  Even Europe gets their supplies from Russia.

Now if we could produce more energy to ship overseas, Russia wouldn't be able to hold everyone hostage and we could increase our GDP.

 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Putin has all the cards.  He wants the Ukraine back in the fold. Not much anybody can do, since Russia supplies all their energy.  Even Europe gets their supplies from Russia.

Which just goes to prove how short-sighted Proglodytes are when they yell, "No blood for oil!"

That mentality keeps places such as Europe and Asia hostage to people like Saddam Hussein and Putin. That makes wars by the thugs of the world more likely because it tempts them to act in the face of weakness.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Which just goes to prove how short-sighted Proglodytes are when they yell, "No blood for oil!"

"No blood for oil" = "Master, I'll submit to any of your demands, in exchange for oil."

[ChuckJ]

TheMightyFavog (13,558 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024589052

I really can't believe some of what I've been reading here today.
All these posts calling for President Obama to militarily intervene in Ukraine. Hell, I've even seen a couple of DUers go out and call on Obama to do the unthinkable and put the use of WMDs on the table.

What the hell happened to the DU I knew and loved when I joined back in 2002? Back then, DU was the beacon of sanity among the cacophony of war drums being beaten for Iraq. It was DU that inspired me to get involved in trying to steer my country away from the disaster that was the war in Iraq. It was stories of the activism of my fellow DUers that inspired a few friends and I to pile into my beat up 1992 Ford Tempo and drive an hour and a half to the nearest antiwar demonstration. It was DU that gave me the courage to go along with my friend's idea to gather in front of our county's courthouse to make our voices heard in a community where the majority of residents not only practically worshiped the ground that George W. Bush walked on, but also were practically chomping at the bit to see Saddam Hussein get a dose of candy coated kaboom courtesy of the good old U.S. of A.. Hell, some of the more ignorant of these people would have liked nothing better than to see Bush turn Baghdad into a glass parking lot.

However, march we did. We were a small group, but we made our opinions known. We spent hours in the cold waving our signs, singing songs, and trying to make our voices heard.

And yes, we got heckled. We got flipped off. We had people write nasty letters to the editor in our local newspapers calling us everything from communists to Satanists to traitors who hated America. And among all that hate that was being slung at us, DU was my refuge of sanity. It was where I could go to be around like minded people, and to know that I was not alone. That there were others like me who felt that military action against Iraq was a very bad idea. It was a place where we could deride and even poke fun at on the Bush administration and its supporters without fear of someone getting all in our face about how unamerican we were. And it's one of the reasons I still continue to treasure this place.

And now, we come to today. And now I'm hearing the very residents of the place that was (and still is) my refuge of sanity banging the war drums themselves. Wow, it's kind of darkly ironic.

That's all I have to say, except for may cooler heads prevail, and may this scary time pass with the fewest lives lost.

If DU is its "refuge of sanity" can you even imagine what its regular life must be like? It must live in some sort of sanitarium for the extremely terminally insane.

[Dori]

"Dump on the Ukraine"

That title made me think of the movie "Moscow on the Hudson".

 

[miskie]

It seem obvious to me that DU is in a holding pattern over this issue - waiting for instructions and talking points describing how to proceed.

[Purple Sage]

It seem obvious to me that DU is in a holding pattern over this issue - waiting for instructions and talking points describing how to proceed.

It appears they are going to be in a holding pattern for a while because the 0 is clueless as to how to proceed himself.

[franksolich]

It seem obvious to me that DU is in a holding pattern over this issue - waiting for instructions and talking points describing how to proceed.

That was my thought also.

The primitives have to wait for instructions on which way to think.

[Dori]

That was my thought also.

The primitives have to wait for instructions on which way to think.

Well the whole topic scared one Dummy and it ran to the lounge for comfort. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018582061

TheMightyFavog (13,558 posts)

Okay, I gotta take a break from GD right now.

This whole crap in Ukraine is scaring the crap out of me.

UTUSN (36,818 posts)

2. Ukraine is easy, GD is hard!1 nt

[jukin]

It seem obvious to me that DU is in a holding pattern over this issue - waiting for instructions and talking points describing how to proceed.

As soon as the smartest man in history figures out what to do the talking points shall be issued and the DUchebags will recite them word for word. If they have to all be warmongers to make King Barky the Incompetent look good they will.

[Tess Anderson]

Gtg, but Nadin is back to giving commentary:

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 04:10 PM

 nadinbrzezinski (130,169 posts)


Will there be war over Ukraine? (Where the US gets involved that is)


 I doubt it, unless our leaders have decided that a war is in our national interest. In that case all the protest will not stop it, that's a fact jack, or if there is massive miscalculation on our part. or the Russians or both.

The reality is that Russia is rebuilding an empire. Yes the 19th century called and the ghosts of the Romanovs are going, go West young man, and conquer. You need to reestablish the greatness of Russia. They also do known that we are kind of tired, like they were when the USSR collapsed. Ah the cycles of history.
 
Both South Ossetia (remember the pounding of chests and talk of rights and all that in 2008), and the Ukraine have been in the natural sphere of influence of the Russian bear since oh the Romanovs engaged in a little Empire building. That original expansion precedes the US as a nation. So these games are really, really old. Though I expect the cold war to be given a new chance... and the MIC is celebrating. Whether I personally agree or not, is besides the point.
 
This is actually less dangerous than North Korea (which could go south since Kim Jun Un is not that rational of an actor and his grasp on power might be a lot less strong than we all think. Of course, and I would not mind that, we might see that government implode and surprise all of us, but that is another crisis, and potential crisis)
 
How exactly could this go south though? Leave the strong language to the side, this is like expected. If NATO decides it is in the interest of Western Europe to press Russia. Then it could go south. If it does go south, I personally expect this to be more than just a fairly low intensity warfare, like we really saw in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
As to those hippy punching... two things:

Nation States use morality to prepare a country for war. Morality has like zero role in international relations. Really it is a zero sum game and real politik,
 
People have a right to be critical of their leaders, having an effect is a whole different story.
 
And yes, this is my personal view, if you are hunkering for war, any war, go enlist.

Now back to not really posting important OPs here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024592034

[JGHB]

nadinbrzezinski (130,169 posts)

I doubt it, unless our leaders have decided that a war is in our national interest. In that case all the protest will not stop it, that's a fact jack,

She's quoting Uncle Si?   

[Airwolf]

This is why children shouldn't be in any seat of power. They couldn't decide what to do in their own lives but they will toss the dice in a game of D&D and treat it as if it was WWIII if their character dies.