75% of goal reached = 0bamaCare Success!!!

[Ralph Wiggum]

As posted by one of the biggest 0bumbler cheerleaders/apologists at the DUmp, of course.  PrioSense and Playing Hardball are two of the BIGGEST 0bama butt-lickers I've noticed lately at the DUmp.  Anyway...

ProSense (111,103 posts)

An Obamacare enrollment trend to strike fear in the heart of Republicans

An Obamacare enrollment trend to strike fear in the heart of Republicans

by Joan McCarter

Enrollments continue to be robust for Obamacare. With a month and a half to go in open enrollment, 3.3 million are now enrolled, with a third of them signing up in January alone. That puts enrollments at 75 percent of the administration's target for this point in time, set before the disastrous rollout of the website in October. So they're catching up, and include an uptick in younger customers.

Administration officials said they were pleased with the numbers. “These encouraging trends show that more Americans are enrolling every day, and finding quality, affordable coverage in the marketplace,” said Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of health and human services.

“The covered population is getting younger,” Ms. Sebelius said. In January, 318,000 people age 18 to 34 selected health plans, bringing the total in this age group to 807,500, officials said.

That tracks the Massachusetts model: older, sicker people signed up early, everyone else tagged along. Analysts expect to see a surge in younger enrollees between now and March 31, the deadline for signing up.

The states that are leading enrollment are those that set up their own exchanges: Vermont leads with 52.4 percent total enrolled of eligible population; Washington, 47.3 percent total enrolled; Rhode Island, 37 percent total enrolled; Kentucky, 33.5 percent total enrolled; and Connecticut, 29.6 percent totaled enrolled. All of these states also expanded Medicaid, and those new beneficiaries make up the majority of new enrollees. The worst states: Hawaii, which has had continuing problems with getting a functioning website; and four red states, Mississippi, South Dakota, Oklahoma, and Louisiana.

Here's a statistic that should help the popularity of the law: four-fifths of these enrollees got help paying for these premiums. There's something else for Republicans to worry about.

For now, though, they're dismissing the numbers. Despite the rousing success of the law in Kentucky, Sen. Mitch McConnell sniffs that it doesn't really count because "'the new enrollees in Obamacare exchange plans are actually folks who were already insured or eligible for Medicaid." You keep thinking that, Mitch. That's the ticket.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/13/1277332/-An-Obamacare-enrollment-trend-to-strike-fear-in-the-heart-of-nbsp-Republicans

75% is a success?  That is a middle-of-the-road C in academic terms.  3.3 million enrolled?  Weren't there something like 75 million uninsured before the 0bamacare rollout?

Such a rousing success... 

[DLR Pyro]

We should tell all future Mount Everest climbers that once they have reached a height of 21,771 feet or basically the location of camp 2, they can turn around because based on the logic of the dumbocrats their summit bid has been a success.

[dane]

We should tell all future Mount Everest climbers that once they have reached a height of 21,771 feet or basically the location of camp 2, they can turn around because based on the logic of the dumbocrats their summit bid has been a success.

DUmmy football teams now only need to reach the opponent's 25 yard line.

Dummy baseball features a score when the runner reaches third base.

This is a fun activity!

[Ralph Wiggum]

DUmmy football teams now only need to reach the opponent's 25 yard line.

Dummy baseball features a score when the runner reaches third base.

This is a fun activity!

To paraphrase George Carlin regarding golf...(totally paraphrasing)

"Stupid game.  If you hit a ball 200 yards, then walk after it, and find it, you win.  Pick it up and quit!"

And yes, I am a big golfer and fan of the game.  But I still found it amusing.

[Skul]

That puts enrollments at 75 percent of the administration's target for this point in time

In other words, still a failure.
IIRC, enrollment still doesn't equate to payment.

[thundley4]

Obama also says that unemployment is under 8%. This administration lies more than any I have seen.  

How many of those enrolled are on medicaid?

How many were ones that lost their insurance because of Obamacare and were forced onto the exchanges.

How many of them have paid any premiums yet?

How many of them are people getting insurance for the first time? (The original goal of OCare.

Those are all numbers that the administration is still hiding. Why? Because Obama is a massive SCOAMF.

[obumazombie]

The height of the basketball rim is 10 feet. If you loft the basketball on line with the rim to a height of 7.5 feet, you score 2 points, 3 from beyond 3 point line. If you are tall enough to raise the basketball to 7.5 feet, that's all you have to do to score.

[USA4ME]

And ProNonSense gets slapped down........... HARD!!

BKH70041

4. But how many have actually paid?

The highest reliable estimates I've seen is 80%, but no one really knows for sure. And there's a chance HHS is double counting those who failed to meet the mid-January deadline and are trying to apply again.

I'll wait until I see how many actually make their first premium payment. Kinda pregnant just never worked for me.

ProSense

5. Wait
 
...you've seen "reliable estimates" of 80 percent?

That's friggin excellent.

BKH70041

6. At best
 
So they've only reached 75% of where they hoped to be where, maybe at best, 80% have paid? Maybe. Less than impressive. 75% of target doesn't cut it at all.

And where's the 40 million that were just clawing at a chance to have healthcare coverage? Many told us they couldn't wait; they were going to fall over dead in the streets any day now without it. 40 million couldn't live without it anymore, and only 3.3 million have enrolled?

Excuses.

ProSense

7. Maybe
 
...people really don't want health care. Maybe the Republicans are right. Are you snarking the fact that people die without health care?

"they were going to fall over dead in the streets any day now without it"

WTF?

BKH70041

8. Just answer the question
 
Where's the 40 million that couldn't wait another day? Over 90% who couldn't wait haven't even showed up.

ProSense

9. Well,

...they're signing up despite those who are still trying to destroy and disparage Obamacare.

Here's a fact: It took Medicare 20 years to reach 30 million.

If you find the RW callousness appealing, here:

PA Gov. Tom Corbett killed 4 people today
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/12/1277150/-PA-Gov-Tom-Corbett-killed-4-people-today

BKH70041

10. Ah, so that's it.
 
"Well, they're signing up"

For something that couldn't wait they sure are taking their sweet time about it.

ProSense

11. Yes, that's it.

That's seems to be pissing you off.

And she goes into personal attack mode, meaning she has no argument.

How many other primitives could be smacking around this simpleminded fool if only they weren't simpleminded fools themselves?

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[njpines]

Eff them. I have the same insurance from the last several years and I at least didn't see an increase from last year to this, for which I'm grateful. I'm happy with what I have but I know I'm probably in the minority.

[Wineslob]

Sounds like the Oministration is pulling these numbers from the same place they get the unemployment numbers.

[67 Rover]

he worst states: Hawaii, which has had continuing problems with getting a functioning website; and four red states, Mississippi, South Dakota, Oklahoma, and Louisiana.

How the hell did Oregon not make the list??  Not a single person has signed up on the Cover Oregon website.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/13/oregon-facing-pressure-probes-over-dysfunctional-obamacare-website/

"Despite receiving $160 million in taxpayer money, Oregon's ObamaCare website has yet to properly sign up a single person for health care."

[Mr Mannn]

Propaganda is like candy to DUmmies. Tell them what they want to hear and they will follow you down the path to destruction. Dummies even know these are lies, but they will rejoice as if it is news.

Reason number 142 why I hate DUmmies.

[USA4ME]

Motown_Johnny

14. you are not counting the people aged 18-25 who are on their parent's plans.

That 3.3 million number is only people who have used the government exchanges in the past few months.

A more reasonable estimate for everyone who now has health care due to the ACA is more like 10 million.

If the Supreme Court had not changed the law, and if (R)s had not sacrificed their own constituents, that number would be much higher. Unfortunately, the red states not expanding Medicaid is keeping the number of uninsured much higher than it should be.

This will take several more years to shake out. Considering that some basic health care as a right was first proposed by Teddy Roosevelt roughly a hundred years ago, a few more years isn't that big a deal. It sure is better than not passing reform. That terrible Nixon/(R) system that we had been forced to live under was completely dysfunctional.

Oh boy, they just get more stupid by the minute.

The 3.3 million is NOT "only people who have used the government exchanges in the past few months." It's the total number they claim have enrolled. Period. Not paid; enrolled.

you are not counting the people aged 18-25 who are on their parent's plans. A more reasonable estimate for everyone who now has health care due to the ACA is more like 10 million.

Yes, 3.3 million people have signed up but there's another 6.7 million who are on their parent's plan but not being counted.  

Anybody here dumb enough to believe Dear Leader's admin isn't counting everything they can, including the kitchen sink? They're reporting 3.3, but it's really 10. Only a brainwashed dimwit could be so dumb to believe that.

Look stupid, when they say 3.3 million have enrolled, they're counting everyone on the policy, not just the primary card holder.

When do we get to shoot them?

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[miskie]

Anybody here dumb enough to believe Dear Leader's admin isn't counting everything they can, including the kitchen sink? They're reporting 3.3, but it's really 10. Only a brainwashed dimwit could be so dumb to believe that.

QFT.

If the administration wants to paint Obamacare as a success, they wouldn't lowball their own numbers to create the impression of marginal enrollment. There is no upside from doing so.

[jukin]

Like the DUches, the Obama regime lies, it lies all the time.

[BlueStateSaint]

Eff them. I have the same insurance from the last several years and I at least didn't see an increase from last year to this, for which I'm grateful. I'm happy with what I have but I know I'm probably in the minority.

Our premiums didn't rise, here in the PRNY . . .

. . . but our deductables skyrocketed.

[DumbAss Tanker]

We should tell all future Mount Everest climbers that once they have reached a height of 21,771 feet or basically the location of camp 2, they can turn around because based on the logic of the dumbocrats their summit bid has been a success.

A more accurate analogy would be that they get credit for the climb if they can see, or at least visualize, the 21,771 foot level from where they end up.  The goals were based on the number of previously-uninsured enrolling all the way through payment, but there are three ways that falls short of the number being booted by DC:

1.  "Enrolled" doesn't mean "Paid," and it takes "Paid" to make the rates work;

2.  The young and healthy, who are necessary to make the rate structure work, are staying away in droves, and the MedicAid-eligible or previously-uninsurable net drains on the rate structure, are the ones who (Understandably) are eager for it, and therefore make up a disproportionate percentage of the sign-ups.

3.  The sign-up targets are based on the previously-uninsured, however a large but undisclosed percentage of the "New" sign-ups are people who were previously insured but lost their coverage due to the Draconian implementation of ACA by HHS.

[Dori]

We are going to have to bail out the insurance companies that are part of the Obamacare scam.

This thing is a nightmare.  What happens when a good chunk of these people don't pay their premiums, make more/less money than what they claimed, try to cancel and can't, go to work where they get covered, etc., etc, etc.

What a flaming headache for everyone.

[BlueStateSaint]

We are going to have to bail out the insurance companies that are part of the Obamacare scam.

This thing is a nightmare.  What happens when a good chunk of these people don't pay their premiums, make more/less money than what they claimed, try to cancel and can't, go to work where they get covered, etc., etc, etc.

What a flaming headache for everyone.

It's all designed to get to single-payer.

[thundley4]

It's all designed to get to single-payer.

Yep.  If we don't bail out the insurance companies, they go broke, and we are forced into single payer.  The left knew that the bailout would go against conservative principles.

[obumazombie]

Yep.  If we don't bail out the insurance companies, they go broke, and we are forced into single payer.  The left knew that the bailout would go against conservative principles.

They're street smart. They know how to set up eye gouges, bites, and scratches. They don't play fair. Conservatives always seem to forget that.

[I_B_Perky]

The best thing we could do for the poor/uninsured is to send them to VA and give the vets the medicaid money so they could go to real hospitals. Those bastids at VA tried more times than I can count to kill Dad.  Less poor, less expenditures.

Yes dummies.... I am hard core. 

[NHSparky]

Okay, let's take your 3.3 million figure at face value, DUmmies.

How many of those got shuffled off to Medicare/Medicaid?

How many have paid?

How many ACTUALLY HAVE CARE NOW?

And how do you counter the 5 million PLUS who lost their insurance last year, and the FORECAST TENS OF MILLIONS who will lose it in the coming year or two?

[Carl]

The latest stats.

20% have not paid.
80-85% are getting a welfare subsidy of some degree
25-27% are the required "young and healthy"
Whatever figures one wants to use for Ocare insurance signups the figure is equal or more for welfare (Medicaid) enrolls who now studies show are more likely to run to an emergency room for a sniffle since they are now "covered".

They have not invented a calculator yet that can make that all add up.

[JohnnyReb]

The latest stats.

20% have not paid.
80-85% are getting a welfare subsidy of some degree
25-27% are the required "young and healthy"
Whatever figures one wants to use for Ocare insurance signups the figure is equal or more for welfare (Medicaid) enrolls who now studies show are more likely to run to an emergency room for a sniffle since they are now "covered".

They have not invented a calculator yet that can make that all add up.

Cloward-Piven at it's best.