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Us Or Them
« on: June 27, 2008, 10:46:48 AM »
Us Or Them

The other day I heard the account of a young actor being knifed to death in London, and the report contained the information that there had been a lot of knifings in the UK in recent times.

This was a shock to me. While I know there is not a place on Earth where crime doesn't exist, I had always thought of England as being a place where violent crime was rare, a far cry from the large cities in the rest of the world.

I had always thought of London as being an example of civility and gentility, not the kind of place where you would imagine some punk sticking a knife in somebody.

Unfortunately, there is an elephant in the living room and most of the people in the western world are trying to ignore, ignoring it at their great peril.

What it comes down to is we can no longer ignore the fact that the violent problems in the world are caused by violent people. They're everywhere and they prey on an unsuspecting and naive public and until the decent, law-abiding people in this world stand up and say, "Enough!!!!!" It is only going to get worse.

It has been proven for decades that we can't depend on our politicians. They are so isolated from life in the street it's a wonder they can find their way home.

When crime increases their answer is to outlaw guns, in other words strengthen the criminals by taking the guns away from the victims and letting the criminals who have them illegally already, keep them.

When I look at the naiveté in our federal government who are so far removed from the real world it makes you want to scream. They simply refuse to face facts.

Fact-- the overwhelming cause of terror in the whole world is caused by radical Islam.

Government's answer-- don't use the word jihad anymore. It may offend somebody.

In other words if we'll just be nice to them maybe they'll just go away.

Crime in this nation, and the world, is mostly caused by the same group of people, over and over. Go to jail. Get out of jail. Commit another crime. Go to jail. Get out of jail. Just keep on until you kill somebody and maybe, just maybe, you'll get a proper sentence.

The streets of our major cities have been dangerous for a long time but now even the streets of the small towns have been invaded by the lawless.

And even when some slug commits a crime so horrible and grisly that the newspapers won't even print the actual account people still rail about the death penalty and even when it's given it takes decades to get it carried out.

People it's us or them, it's us or the criminals who want to rob us and hurt us, it's us or the terrorists who want to destroy us… we've got to start facing the facts.

Iran is, no doubt about it, working towards building a nuclear bomb.

Street crime, regardless of the massaged statistics, is getting worse all the time.

Crime against young women is increasing, how many coeds have you heard about being brutally raped and murdered in the last year.

School shootings basically didn't exist until a few years ago, now they are a very serious problem.

We have sleeper cells of terrorists living in our own country.

And what do we do?

Bury our heads a little deeper in the sand, become a little more politically correct and, keep putting panty waist judges on the bench and give up pieces of our cities one at a time.

Total insanity

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Re: Us Or Them
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2008, 07:53:12 PM »
Guns are banned in England (well, very restricted ownership) and yet there are still gun crimes. Knives have been banned in England and there are still KNIFE crimes!!! Doesn't this kind of prove that criminals have little regard for the law??  Maybe Bijou can pipe in on this??
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2008, 09:53:26 PM »
Wow...

The criminal types ignore weapons control laws?

Who woulda thunk eh?  [/sarcasm]

And yet we have elected idiots in America that still seem to be unable to learn this simple fact.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2008, 12:42:58 PM »
No matter how many weapons are banned, it's only going to keep them out of the hands of law-abiding people. Criminals and those who wish to harm us will get a hold of a weapon someway or somehow.
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2008, 12:53:03 PM »
No matter how many weapons are banned, it's only going to keep them out of the hands of law-abiding people. Criminals and those who wish to harm us will get a hold of a weapon someway or somehow.

Such a simple concept to understand, yet alien to many others.
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2008, 01:13:42 PM »
No matter how many weapons are banned, it's only going to keep them out of the hands of law-abiding people. Criminals and those who wish to harm us will get a hold of a weapon someway or somehow.

Such a simple concept to understand, yet alien to many others.

We were one vote away from being like England.  And Chemerinsky has the unmitigated gall to say that this was "Conservative Judicial Activisim" (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-chemerinsky27-2008jun27,0,5654727.story). 

By interpreting the 2nd Amendment, POTUS clarified it -- it didn't create new law.
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2008, 01:16:48 PM »
Sad to say that common sense is an alien concept to a lot of people out there.
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2008, 01:16:54 PM »
In the Army infantey AIT we has a course on unconventional weapons. Even a scok, sand some urine  can make EFFECTIVE blackjack. Wire coathanger and 2 sticks from a broom handle? Lethal garrote.


Asharpened screwdriver is an effective dagger. Knives are COMMONLY homemade from worn out files. Anyone with a UNIMAT lathe with the milling drilling attachment can make a pistol in less than a day. Ammunition? Gunpowder , even smokeless , can me made easily. Black powder is sulpher, saltpetre and some charcoal.  Hell, you can distill your own saltpetre crystals from bovine manure!

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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2008, 01:25:13 PM »
Sad to say that common sense is an alien concept to a lot of people out there.
Look at the recent SCOTUS rulings. Look at the the dimocratic candidate for POTUS.  Look at the fact that 18 MILLION people wanted to select an ex-1st lady who tried to take the WH furniture on her way out and carpetbagged a single, undistinguished term as a Senator.

Folks, these are the end-times for the USA.  We can hold it back, but we can't stem the tide.
 
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2008, 07:58:41 PM »
In the Army infantey AIT we has a course on unconventional weapons. Even a scok, sand some urine  can make EFFECTIVE blackjack. Wire coathanger and 2 sticks from a broom handle? Lethal garrote.


Asharpened screwdriver is an effective dagger. Knives are COMMONLY homemade from worn out files. Anyone with a UNIMAT lathe with the milling drilling attachment can make a pistol in less than a day. Ammunition? Gunpowder , even smokeless , can me made easily. Black powder is sulpher, saltpetre and some charcoal.  Hell, you can distill your own saltpetre crystals from bovine manure!

Weapons are a function of knowledge.


While I find your post nearly unintelligible, I would like to mention that a screwdriver makes an effective dagger with no sharpening...as I've repeatedly proven to myself while removing jammed screws from small objects.  Also, one of my favorite weapons is a lead pipe.  I used to have one that had been joined to a PVC pipe at one time, and had a very sharp point on the end with the T.  Useful for stabbing or hitting.   :-)
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2008, 08:06:39 PM »
In the Army infantey AIT we has a course on unconventional weapons. Even a scok, sand some urine  can make EFFECTIVE blackjack. Wire coathanger and 2 sticks from a broom handle? Lethal garrote.


Asharpened screwdriver is an effective dagger. Knives are COMMONLY homemade from worn out files. Anyone with a UNIMAT lathe with the milling drilling attachment can make a pistol in less than a day. Ammunition? Gunpowder , even smokeless , can me made easily. Black powder is sulpher, saltpetre and some charcoal.  Hell, you can distill your own saltpetre crystals from bovine manure!

Weapons are a function of knowledge.


While I find your post nearly unintelligible, I would like to mention that a screwdriver makes an effective dagger with no sharpening...as I've repeatedly proven to myself while removing jammed screws from small objects.  Also, one of my favorite weapons is a lead pipe.  I used to have one that had been joined to a PVC pipe at one time, and had a very sharp point on the end with the T.  Useful for stabbing or hitting.   :-)

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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2008, 08:19:40 PM »
Had to run then. Weapons or most any damned thing are a function of knowledge and will. Literacy and the public library will get you the knowledge. Attempts to regulate access to arms of the people only affects the honest.  The criminals will get theirs by robbing the police if they need to. Most will get the weapons as they do now, black market.

Now, if things get bad enough, the otherwise honest, but pragmatic, citizen will arm him/herself. We need to replace the 4 who voted in opposition to the Constitution in this decision.

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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2008, 06:24:09 PM »
Guns are banned in England (well, very restricted ownership) and yet there are still gun crimes. Knives have been banned in England and there are still KNIFE crimes!!! Doesn't this kind of prove that criminals have little regard for the law??  Maybe Bijou can pipe in on this??

Now this is very depressing! Are you inadvertently saying that if we banned liberals they will STILL be around?
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2008, 06:25:45 PM »
In the Army infantey AIT we has a course on unconventional weapons. Even a scok, sand some urine  can make EFFECTIVE blackjack. Wire coathanger and 2 sticks from a broom handle? Lethal garrote.


Asharpened screwdriver is an effective dagger. Knives are COMMONLY homemade from worn out files. Anyone with a UNIMAT lathe with the milling drilling attachment can make a pistol in less than a day. Ammunition? Gunpowder , even smokeless , can me made easily. Black powder is sulpher, saltpetre and some charcoal.  Hell, you can distill your own saltpetre crystals from bovine manure!

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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2008, 12:11:35 PM »
All I know is that I am not giving up my guns. I will not stand in line like the Brits did and turn in my weapons. If somehow the libs manage to pass laws banning all weapons I will become a criminal at that point, I will not comply.


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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2008, 12:37:59 PM »
All I know is that I am not giving up my guns. I will not stand in line like the Brits did and turn in my weapons. If somehow the libs manage to pass laws banning all weapons I will become a criminal at that point, I will not comply.
Yep.  If they want mine, they'll have to come and take them... (ammo first).
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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2008, 12:45:07 PM »
All I know is that I am not giving up my guns. I will not stand in line like the Brits did and turn in my weapons. If somehow the libs manage to pass laws banning all weapons I will become a criminal at that point, I will not comply.


Your right to bear arms in your own defense is God Given (by whatever or whoever you acknowledge as your creator).  It is absolute, and not dependent in any way upon the good graces of those 535 retards Constitutional ILLITERATES (calling 'em retards is overly insulting to the developmentally handicapped) we the people have sent to Washington DC to represent us.  Congress-shits passing "laws" restricting rights over which they have no authority doesn't make you the Criminal; it makes them criminals, and places upon your shoulders the responsibility to defend your God-given right against frauds and usurpers - with deadly force if necessary.
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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2008, 02:04:59 PM »
All I know is that I am not giving up my guns. I will not stand in line like the Brits did and turn in my weapons. If somehow the libs manage to pass laws banning all weapons I will become a criminal at that point, I will not comply.

I think I still have a couple of broken ones around here they could have. The rest of them fell off the boat in my tragic fishing accident a few years back....