OH NOES!!!11! Republicans HACKED Obamacare computers! Sabotage! You Big Meanies!

[Mr Mannn]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251332570

politicaljunkie41910 (414 posts)

I smell a rat with Obamacare rollout
I think that someone has deliberately sabotaged the ACA signup systems. After all we know about secret meetings within the GOP with the Koch brothers, Freedomworks, and Heritage, why is not so farfetched to think that as a last resort they may have plotted to keep the system from getting off the ground by making sure that people were not able to sign up and therefore making it out to be a disaster before it can get off the ground.

With all we know about Snowden and how much plotting went on with him and that guy from the Guardian, and how far back the deceit went, I would not be surprise to learn down the road that this was another plot to destroy the ACA. I work in contracting. Private contractors would have bid on and been responsible for designing this system. Today we hear about the system using 10 year old technology. This is bullsh!t. How hard would it have been for some Obama haters to plant some bad codes creating hidden time bombs into the system.

I'm curious as to what others think particularly from those of you with experience in this area.

This led to a decent campfire. If this is a mole, he just earned serious street cred.

Star Member Ian David (68,951 posts)
1. Thank you, Captain Obvious. n/t

Star Member Botany (36,655 posts)
2. Although the same company that is doing the I.T. work for the A.C.A. was fired ....

... by the Provence of Ontario for failures in it's I.T. system.

Star Member CTyankee (36,942 posts)
17. I must admit that when I first heard about the computer glitches I suspected sabotage.

After all, the republicans shut down the government and nearly wrecked the U.S. economy over Obamacare. Having a saboteur in the company designing the website isn't that much more of a stretch...

Star Member jeff47 (9,070 posts)
7. There's no need for anything nefarious

The site was slammed with more traffic than it would handle any other time. That massive number of requests is going to bring down pretty much any system.

As the traffic has let off some, and a few tweaks were installed, it's gotten much better. To the point where there really isn't any problem using it now.

The same thing happens when something popular rolls out in the commercial world - lines at Apple stores or outside movie theaters are treated as good things, when it's the same lack-of-capacity problem.

As for some details:
Today we hear about the system using 10 year old technology.

The Internet is 44 year old technology. Age isn't necessarily a good measure for capacity and reliability

politicaljunkie41910 (414 posts)
8. I want to believe that you're right, and was willing to do so.

This morning I heard on the news that there are major problems, and there is skepticism that it can be fixed quickly, which is why I'm now concerned that this may be deliberate.

While I hadn't had time to read this article, it implies that there are major issues as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/18/obamacare-train-wreck_n_4118041.html

Star Member former9thward (7,746 posts)
13. No, the traffic would not "bring down any system."

Amazon and Facebook and Twitter get far, far more traffic on a daily basis than the ACA site. I don't see them crashing. It was a poorly designed site. Afterall they only had 3 1/2 years to do it.

former9thward (7,746 posts)
15. They had 3 1/2 years to do this.

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One would think their designers would look at high volume sites to see how it is done. It is not secret. Amazon did not wait around for 3 1/2 years trying to figure it out.

10 year old technology???

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/17/health-exchange-week-three-start-over/2995989/

jeff47 (9,070 posts)
20. No, Amazon took about 5 years to figure it out.

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As for "10 year old technology!", the Internet is 44 year old technology. Age is not necessarily a measure of appropriateness.

If I was designing healthcare.gov, you can be damn sure I wouldn't be leaping on the latest bandwagon. "Our super REST software is great! Oh wait...it can only handle 3 simultaneous users because it wasn't tested over years of abuse...oops".

Instead, I'd use something proven. Which inherently means it will be "old technology".

and now, diving to new depths, here's Scuba.

Star Member Scuba (30,580 posts)
9. It's ridiculously farfetched to think that ....

... the Koch brothers didn't at least consider sabotaging the ACA rollout. It would be their style exactly.

One of their most prominent tools admitedthat he used such underhanded tactics in Wisconsin and even considered endangering public safety by planting fake protesters and having them cause trouble during the 2011 protests.

To wit: insert YouTube video trashing Scott Walker. I'm not posting it here. You can click on the link if you really want to see propaganda

Tippy (4,512 posts)
12. I feel the same as you do, I think the system was deliberatly sabotaged began thinking

this way since the first reports about a problem...Seems like the Koch Bros would do something like this they will do anything and everything to stop President Obama..."Just a glich" just didn't cut it for me...

Star Member kestrel91316 (48,199 posts)
28. I think sabotage masquerading as incompetence is highly likely.

We KNOW the RW will stop at nothing to get their way.

Star Member Dreamer Tatum (7,955 posts)
29. I think anything bad that ever happens is sabotage.


And therefore a RW plot. So clearly the ACA rollout, which MIGHT be the simplest rollout of any new program, anywhere, ever, has been sabotaged by the right.

[miskie]

How about this --

Team Obama hired a company experienced in designing a 'Single Payer' system, who used that as a codebase, then kludged on crap to make it ACA compliant. - The eventual plan would be to then put the system into Single Payer mode at the flip of a switch once enough ginned up push polls show people demand it.

[Skul]

Boooosh did it, and those pesky Jooooz.

[98ZJUSMC]

Star Member former9thward (7,746 posts)
13. No, the traffic would not "bring down any system."

Amazon and Facebook and Twitter get far, far more traffic on a daily basis than the ACA site. I don't see them crashing. It was a poorly designed site. Afterall they only had 3 1/2 years to do it.

Whuuups.

Pay no attention to the.....

Boooosh did it, and those pesky Jooooz.

Funny how Chimpy McShrub always foils their plans.  Damn, the bad luck.

Star Member Scuba (30,580 posts)
9. It's ridiculously farfetched to think that ....

... the Koch brothers didn't at least consider sabotaging the ACA rollout. It would be their style exactly.

One of their most prominent tools admitedthat he used such underhanded tactics in Wisconsin and even considered endangering public safety by planting fake protesters and having them cause trouble during the 2011 protests.

Budget surplus, idiots....how does that work?  Fake protesters were needed,.....how exactly?  

Well, let's see:

Teachers lost nothing, but a hand grabbing money out of their pocket.  Teachers who were then laid off.....were HIRED BACK! (Damn rethuglicans)  The State went from a multi-billion dollar deficit to a multi-million dollar surplus.  Now, Wisconsin is mulling a property tax cut.

Of course, all that's bad.....   

[FiddyBeowulf]

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2537194#.UlvHPWwQRGk.twitter

Federal officials considered only one firm to design the Obamacare health insurance exchange website that has performed abysmally since its Oct. 1 debut.

Rather than open the contracting process to a competitive public solicitation with multiple bidders, officials in the Department of Health and Human Services' Centers for Medicare and Medicaid accepted a sole bidder, CGI Federal, the U.S. subsidiary of a Canadian company with an uneven record of IT pricing and contract performance.

Suck it, DUmmies. Because you...
 

[GOBUCKS]

Probably the same hacker who sent out all those pictures of Weiner's weiner in New York.

[98ZJUSMC]

http://washingtonexaminer...7194#.UlvHPWwQRGk.twitter
Quote

Federal officials considered only one firm to design the Obamacare health insurance exchange website that has performed abysmally since its Oct. 1 debut.

Rather than open the contracting process to a competitive public solicitation with multiple bidders, officials in the Department of Health and Human Services' Centers for Medicare and Medicaid accepted a sole bidder, CGI Federal, the U.S. subsidiary of a Canadian company with an uneven record of IT pricing and contract performance.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2537194#.UlvHPWwQRGk.twitterSuck it, DUmmies. Because you...
 

Ummm, .... errr, ......ahhhh, ...... but  Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooshl!!111!eLeBiNty!!111!!!

[USA4ME]

I say it's because Dear Leader's administration is incompetent.

Oh, wait. That would be the truth and we know liberals can't handle the truth.

So yeah, must be sabatoge.   

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[I_B_Perky]

Yo dummies... it's what you get whenever the government is involved.

Last thing I read was around $300 million... originally supposed to be $90 million.  Same deal here in WV. CGI got the contract to do an ERP system. Apparently they told the idiot that was the CTO at the time that it wouldn't cost over $40 million. This was back in 2005 I think. It was in the newspaper. Then it was 60 million. Then it was 90 million.  Last I heard it was $120 million. Still ain't rolled out either.  That fool should be behind bars but now he is "no longer employed by the state".

Was worse for the state of Florida and got so bad they canceled the contract after spending some some ungodly amount. I imagine it was the same scenario.

That is the problem with government. There are no consequences for idiots that run agencies, let out these contracts and then they run off and get hired by the firms that they steered money to.  Happens at the state and fed level all too often. Start putting some of them behind bars and see how this crap tapers off in a hurry.

[BlueStateSaint]

Someone's on a roll in that thread.

[sybilll]

I think that someone has deliberately sabotaged the ACA signup systems. After all we know about secret meetings within the GOP with the Koch brothers, Freedomworks, and Heritage, why is not so farfetched to think that as a last resort they may have plotted to keep the system from getting off the ground by making sure that people were not able to sign up and therefore making it out to be a disaster before it can get off the ground.

With all we know about Snowden and how much plotting went on with him and that guy from the Guardian, and how far back the deceit went, I would not be surprise to learn down the road that this was another plot to destroy the ACA. I work in contracting. Private contractors would have bid on and been responsible for designing this system. Today we hear about the system using 10 year old technology. This is bullsh!t. How hard would it have been for some Obama haters to plant some bad codes creating hidden time bombs into the system.

I'm curious as to what others think particularly from those of you with experience in this area.
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[GOP Congress]

I've posted elsewhere that the crap site was intentional, because they didn't want hundreds of thousands or even millions of people getting sticker shock after seeing their premiums double with less than half the benefits, particularly the younger people.

[FlaGator]

Never blame malice for what can be easily explained by poorly written code and inadequate testing practices.

[Dori]

Never blame malice for what can be easily explained by poorly written code and inadequate testing practices.

Nah, that doesn't fit their narrative of Republicans are evil and it's the R's fault that their dream plan has turned into an embarrassing train wreck.

[JohnnyReb]

When the government tries to make a system that even DUmmies can navigate....well... .gov + DUmmies = failure.

[txradioguy]

Federal officials considered only one firm to design the Obamacare health insurance exchange website that has performed abysmally since its Oct. 1 debut.

Rather than open the contracting process to a competitive public solicitation with multiple bidders, officials in the Department of Health and Human Services' Centers for Medicare and Medicaid accepted a sole bidder, CGI Federal, the U.S. subsidiary of a Canadian company with an uneven record of IT pricing and contract performance.

Wait a minute...Libs entered into a no bid contract?

I'll let that sink in with the lurkers for just a second....

[Bad Dog]

Needs a human touch.  DUmmies would be much better off skipping the website and going to their local navigator (AKA acorn thug) and puking out all their personal information.

[Delmar]

I've lurked around democrat underground for long enough to know that the DUmmies aren't going to go to the exchanges and purchase plans.  They are just going to show up at the emergency room of the hospital when they get sick--same as always.   

[zeitgeist]

I say it's because Dear Leader's administration is incompetent.

Oh, wait. That would be the truth and we know liberals can't handle the truth.

So yeah, must be sabatoge.   

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Er, uh, well, not that he couldn't run a lemonade stand I guess but to have been forewarned should have been be to be forearmed

Mash on the pic for the hole story (as in a hole into which money was also poured)


He puts the in in incompetent and surrounds himself with the same or more incompetent sycophants. 

[miskie]

DUmbasses, We wouldn't sabotage the system to run slowly - we would sabotage it to make signing up effortless, so that as many enrollees as possible could see for themselves that Obama thinks they are part of the filthy one-percent.

[zeitgeist]

And let us never forget that the vast frozen wasteland on our Northern border is actually home to a very small number of people spread across its numerous provinces (that is there are only 35 million or so of them in a dozen or so provinces or territories give or take).  ACA would probably work fine as written in OH! Canada, 'ey? 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadian-population-surpasses-35-million-1.1869011

USA            9.8 mil sq miles 307,760,000 million people
Oh Canada  9.9 mil sq miles   33,819,000 million people.


Gee I wonder what that could mean?? 

Better still I wonder what the PDF below really means?? If only an astute Dummy could come here and school us mere mortals on why this link is all wet.

http://www.coalitionoftheobvious.com/Singlepayer.pdf

[GOBUCKS]

USA            9.8 mil sq miles 307,760,000 million people
Oh Canada  9.9 mil sq miles   33,819,000 million people.


Gee I wonder what that could mean?? 

At least 90% of Canada's population is scrunched up within walking distance of the United States - the source of any prosperity they may enjoy.

[Chris_]

At least 90% of Canada's population is scrunched up within walking distance of the United States - the source of any prosperity they may enjoy.

I imagine Mexico is much the same way.

[zeitgeist]

I imagine Mexico is much the same way.

Mexico stats and link to source:

Mexico 1.9 mil sq km 107,550,697 people

http://flowingdata.com/2009/11/13/land-mass-and-population-by-country/

[Dori]

Mexico stats and link to source:

Mexico 1.9 mil sq km 107,550,697 people

http://flowingdata.com/2009/11/13/land-mass-and-population-by-country/

Interesting.  The USA needs another circle showing how many illegals are here. We keep hearing 11 million, but that figure hasn't changed since 2001.