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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2013, 05:37:37 AM »
Promoting helplessness and dependence on others, Johnny? That is not conservatism as I know it.

Try this exercise: Substitute a blind handler with a Seeing Eye Dog, and ask yourself if you would give the same advice.

Big Dog, I understand why you have a dog in this hunt(no pun intended) but are you really suggesting that people should never ask for help or depend on the people who love and care about them? I think as conservatives we have to be careful not to hoist ourselves on our own petard in regards to this and look rigid in certain areas. It's a reality that as we age, we likely are going to need help of some kind with tasks that may have been routine at one time--driving, shopping, cooking. My autistic son will ALWAYS need the help of his family and friends and society at large and that does not make him liberal. There is no shame in accepting the help of others just because other people like dummies take advantage of it and that is why I think conservatives have become so rigid about this issue because of how your average low information voters treats the kindness of others.

As for the dog issue, I really don't get it. I eat at the homes of people with pets(including my own) and I don't have an issue with consuming food with the animal near by. Who are the pearl clutchers of the world who do? (And yes, I know service dogs are not necessarily pets, but a dog is a dog is a dog as far as what they are generally speaking and if one would have no problem eating in the home of a friend with a pet, then one should not be disturbed by eating in a restaurant with a service dog nearby.)

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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2013, 07:03:39 AM »
Big Dog, I understand why you have a dog in this hunt(no pun intended) but are you really suggesting that people should never ask for help or depend on the people who love and care about them?

That is not what I am saying at all.

A service dog is a tool which allows people with disabilities to function more independently, like a prosthetic leg or a wheelchair. Independence and personal responsibility are conservative values. Johnny asked the question "why not leave the dog at home and depend on your friends?" The answer is, "because independent people don't depend on their friends for things they can do themselves."

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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2013, 07:08:16 AM »
Oh now, sir, I again strenuously disagree.

If I had a service dog, I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to leave it at home while I went to some sort of environment uncomfortable for it.

I agree with you 100%. I make that decision every day- I don't take Velvet to places that are unsafe or uncomfortable for her. In those cases, either she stays home, or we both do.

Make the case that the DUmmy's greasy spoon is an uncomfortable or unsafe environment for a service dog.
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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2013, 07:27:17 AM »
My autistic son will ALWAYS need the help of his family and friends and society at large and that does not make him liberal.

How would you respond if you went to a restaurant and your son, who is capable of eating without assistance, instead sat on his hands and expected you to feed him?

He would just be leaving his hands at home and depending on his family, right?
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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2013, 07:40:25 AM »
Bottom line, boys and girls?

This never happened.

How would I know?  Simple--a two-minute phone call to any media outlet in the South Bay or even the greater Los Angeles area, and this thing would have blown up OVERNIGHT.

It's the kind of shit that liberal media in a liberal mecca like LA eats up with a spoon and comes back asking for seconds.  But it's nowhere to be found.  Like it never even happened.

Having been born there, and spent a significant chunk of my adult life there prior to leaving several years ago, this kind of story would have been in the radio, newspapers and possibly television in between the gang riot at the high school, county jail, etc., and the latest series of home invasion robberies.  But nada.  Zippo.  Nuthin.

Nope, ain't buying a word of the story.  More likely, if this DUmmie ever went to Spires (which one was it, btw, DUmmie?) they probably had a huge line and were told they'd have to wait like everyone else, but used the "my dog can't come in" as the excuse.  THAT I've seen before.
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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2013, 08:01:05 AM »
This never happened.....

More likely, if this DUmmie ever went to Spires (which one was it, btw, DUmmie?) they probably had a huge line and were told they'd have to wait like everyone else, but used the "my dog can't come in" as the excuse.  THAT I've seen before.

Or "I'm handicapped; feel sorry for me, and let me in front of the line"--that, I've heard before, although from people with other afflictions, not deafness.

Even this morning after, this still pisses me off.

For being a deaf (or really, merely hard of hearing) female, and this is the biggest ordeal Audrey can bitch about, instead of whining, she should get down on her knees and thank God for having given her such an easy life.

The world's pretty rough for anyone who's deaf, but it's harder if one's a woman.  Women tend to be trusting creatures, which puts a deaf woman at especially a disadvantage.  I don't know all deaf women, but I know some deaf women, and it's, uh, rather interesting that all of them that I know, were used or abused sexually, and violently so.

This bitch, by whining about such a picayune thing, trivializes the real perils and hazards her sisters have to endure.

And oh my, the humiliation, the embarrassment, she had to put up with, that made her so distraught she had to go out to her car and cry.  Such a delicate flower, such a fragile vessel.

Audrey, sweetheart, either grow up or drop dead, preferably the latter.

You're a lousy excuse for a deaf person, a woman, a human being.
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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2013, 08:32:46 AM »
Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if the offended restaurant patrons were Muslims, after all, they consider dogs an unclean animal :whistling:
That was my 1st thought. My 2nd one was "why does the DUmmie hate muslims?".
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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2013, 08:39:49 AM »
The Muslim population in the South Bay is pretty much insignificant.  So no, the Muslim/dog argument is out.

Butthurt and whiny excuse is still in, however.
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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2013, 08:58:20 AM »
I don't understand the need to take the dog to a restaurant for hearing.  It's not like the dog can order for you.  Even if she was blind, she still had her friend with her who could help her.

I haven't been to that Spires in years (food was gross).  But my memory of it is that it was full of booths, and the only place to put the dog would have been out in the isle.  A tripping danger to both the customers and the servers.

Maybe the area set aside for the patrons with dogs was a safety issue.  I think this woman's complaint is totally unreasonable.

   
 
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« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2013, 09:01:12 AM »
And remember, boys and girls, the whole gist of the ADA is "reasonable accommodation", not "give me what I want, when I want it, how I want it" crap.
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« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2013, 09:03:44 AM »
Gah what a complainer!!!!

I bet she gets spit in her food all the time at restaurants.






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« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2013, 09:21:45 AM »

Regardless of the right or wrong of this, I just love her word choices, just dripping with victimization. 

Instead of "Hey, this restaurant did something I didn't think was cool" we get:

"I WAS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST"


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« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2013, 10:09:02 AM »
This is a primitive we are talking about. She was probably segregated because the stench emanating off it was putting the customers off their food. But they had no issue with the dog.
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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2013, 10:21:57 AM »
Frank, Big Dog, excuse my ignorance, but, like Dori, I fail to see the need of a dog for a deaf person. What service(s) do they provide?
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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2013, 10:56:39 AM »
Frank, Big Dog, excuse my ignorance, but, like Dori, I fail to see the need of a dog for a deaf person. What service(s) do they provide?

I was thinking the same thing, but not being devoid of hearing, I was trying to put myself in someone's position with this impairment.

How is the dog necessary in a restaurant to a deaf person?  Does the dog understand English and can he translate "Pigs In A Blanket" into sign language?   

Perhaps crossing the street, etc. ???? 



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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2013, 11:20:37 AM »
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49. No...NO ONE should be segregated because of ANY disability.

OK, I hope they put you next to the Crohn's/Tourette's table.
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« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2013, 11:36:26 AM »
OK, I hope they put you next to at the Crohn's/Tourette's table.

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« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2013, 12:47:10 PM »
Well looks like I'll be going to Spires in Torrance for Lunch!   :-)

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« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2013, 01:07:47 PM »
OK, I hope they put you next to the Crohn's/Tourette's table.
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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2013, 01:58:11 PM »
So, evidently, the seating area for service dogs is somehow inadequate as compared to the rest of the restaurant...ripped seats, dirt floor, poor lighting so you feel like you're blind and deaf? The waitress doesn't come to your table as often, only fills your water once, coffee gets cold before she refills, your meal sits there for 20 minutes before she brings it to your table.

It would be better, really, for you to sit down, get your water, coffe, whatever, all settled in real comfy and all and one of the people across from you has an allergy. So now, the waitress has to stop what she's doing (you aren't her only customer), find a place AWAY FROM THE OTHER CUSTOMERS, get you settled, new silverware, fresh water, etc. Finally, everyone else who've waiting been for their meals can be served. Of course, they've been sitting under the hot lights drying out while she's been busy moving you around to the same area you would've been in if you were seated there in the first place.

Or what about when the person in the booth behind (because they never saw you come in with your dog) you starts coughing, has an asthma attack from dog allergies and has to be rushed to the hospital. I'm sure you'll feel significantly concerned and worried...for about 2 minutes until you realize the emergency has kept the waitress from taking your order for 15 minutes. But hey, now you can run to DU, compain about the service and how they almost KILLED a customer!

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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2013, 04:16:23 PM »
Seeing eye dogs should be accommodated wherever it's reasonable.
The others are just dogs.

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« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2013, 05:14:30 PM »
Frank, Big Dog, excuse my ignorance, but, like Dori, I fail to see the need of a dog for a deaf person. What service(s) do they provide?

My very good friend Big Dog and I are naturally going to disagree--but not being primitives, it doesn't affect our liking for each other--because of wholly-different life experiences, but a dog can be of invaluable service to a deaf person.

A dog can be trained to sense that its owner can't hear, and that its job is to alert its owner when the dog hears some noise the dog interprets as indicating something or someone dangerous.

This is what I mean by there's more perils and hazards for franksolich while at home, then there are when I'm out and about.  I live out in the middle of nowhere, the nearest neighbor six miles away, but with a semi-major highway just two miles north of here.  This is the only residence for miles and miles around that looks as if occupied.  I can use a special telephone, but it's clumsy and awkward.  

It's a natural place for people to approach if they're in some sort of trouble (car trouble, whatnot) or if they're looking to create some mischief.

One of the consequences of being deaf is that one isn't aware of what's behind one, or on either side of one; only what's in front of one.  Hearing people might hear a noise or something, and turn around to look, but I of course hear no noise.

The hippywife primitive Mrs. Alfred Packer's hippyhubby Wild Bill could be noisily trampling around inside this house right now, and I'd be the last person to know it (unless, of course, he was right in front of me).  He could come up to me from behind and garrote me, and I'd never know what happened.

Big Dog might have some other uses for a service dog, but that's what I consider the essential purpose of them; to warn one that danger might be in the offing.  I can't think of any other purpose, but perhaps he can.

Currently, my situation is that there's five cats here, who came with the place, who seem to "understand" that I can't hear, and raise a ruckus when they sense that something isn't kosher, and want to alert me about it.  They're very good at it, but alas I don't give them as much credence as I would a dog (since cats aren't as bright as dogs).

Three summers ago, a tornado (fortunately only a small one) swept through this place during the middle of the night, doing considerable property damage, and some minutes before it came, the cats scrambled all over my sleeping body, to wake me up.  Ultimately giving up, they high-tailed it to the bathroom.

I half-slept through the whole thing; never knew it'd happened until I woke up the next morning.

If a dog'd done that, I would've wakened up sharply, "oh, something's wrong....."

It's been recommended for years that I get a dog to "hear" for me--here at home--but there's the problem with all these cats, and their incompatibility with dogs.  And the cats were here first.  I'm basically waiting for the cats to die--the youngest one's now eight years old--after which I plan to go to the veterinary and adapt two mutts nobody else wants and train them to "listen" for me.
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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2013, 05:24:24 PM »
What a whiny crybaby!

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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2013, 07:09:13 PM »
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Oh my.

What a ****ing whiner.

Before I get started--and I'm pretty pissed at this whining--for those in the audience here who aren't aware, franksolich is deaf.  I was born without ears; just a couple of little tabs or flaps where hearing people have ear-lobes.  "Microtia," caused by what's medically-termed an "environmental accident," in this case exposure to the chemical Accutane while still in the womb.  The grotesque deformity is covered up by a good head of thick, healthy hair.

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Geezuz fudging Christ.

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There's a star-studded galaxy of PoP (primitives of prominence) at this campfire, a few of whom are even being reasonable; check it out.

Among the idiots, Skippy from New York City's condescendingly all over the campfire, as usual.

Eat shit and die, Audrey; you make the rest of we deaf look bad.

OMG, Coach! If ya need to hunt this dipshit down I'm available! Of all the snivelin' bunch of bullshit I've ever heard!

I'd recommend movin' outa Torance, DUmbass! I've never run across an establishment that didn't cater to the needs of the handicapped! Not even in Kalifornica!

Dummies lie, they lie all the time!

I suspect this is nothin' more than BS!

Seeing eye dogs should be accommodated wherever it's reasonable.
The others are just dogs.


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Re: oh geezuz (groan)
« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2013, 08:57:22 PM »

It's been recommended for years that I get a dog to "hear" for me--here at home--but there's the problem with all these cats, and their incompatibility with dogs.  And the cats were here first.  I'm basically waiting for the cats to die--the youngest one's now eight years old--after which I plan to go to the veterinary and adapt two mutts nobody else wants and train them to "listen" for me.

Well, just to let you know, some indoor/outdoor cats live a long time.  Our last two died at 21 and 22.  Dogs and cats can get along just fine living together.  I've usually had both at the same time and they got along better than the last two cats ever did.  Maybe that's why they lived so long, just to irritate each other.   :-)
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