Swiss to vote on $2,800 monthly income for all adults - DUmmies drool

[Big Dog]

It appears lots of posters want to engage me.

One fire hydrant, many dogs.

[Freeper]

I'm just letting you prove Mr. Welsh's point.  What you call "tough love" I call "treating people badly."  It's clear you favor that.  So be it.

-Laelth

And what you call compassion is what I call treating people badly.

It's obvious you have no desire to live free, you want government involved in every aspect of your life telling you what you should and shouldn't do and if you can't make financial ends meet, you want the government to take from someone else and give to you. Some people were just meant to be ruled. So may I suggest that everyone who wants to be ruled move to a country where people are ruled and leave this one alone? It's not like I can move to another country that promotes freedom there aren't any, and there are tons of countries that you leftists would enjoy living in.

[wasp69]

Here you go, rude person.  http://www.ianwelsh.net/the-logic-of-the-surveillance-state/

Full iggy for you.

-Laelth

Love your quote.  Only one problem - you collectivists are far from liberalism in its "classical form" and your source is far from credible.  At least you managed to link something.

Edited to add:  BTW, I'm not rude, you're just a bitch.

[wasp69]

Childish....typical Lib.

Yeah...  That, coddling mediocrity, and an inability to deal with plain spoken words are why these disruptive trolls usually "plonk" me.

Oh, well, I'll have to figure out how to carry on...  

Did you notice the troll glazed right over the post just before that?

[txradioguy]

FDR launched a ton of programs to combat the Great Depression.

And they actually caused the Great Depression to go on for much longer than it should have.  The only thing that pulled us out of it was WW II.

Nearly all of them are gone now.

 

Thank God.

Clinton abolished AFDC.

 

And replaced it with TANF.

We try stuff, and we get rid of stuff.

Like what?  All that happens is that the program either gets re named or a new more complicated and expensive version gets rolled out.

 

This dynamic does not bother me.

-Laelth

Of course it doesn't because Liberals never ever get rid of a social welfare program.  It's their bread and butter way to keep people enslaved to Liberalism.

[Laelth]

One fire hydrant, many dogs.

Yes, thank you.  It does feel a bit like that.

 

-Laelth

[txradioguy]

Yes, thank you.  It does feel a bit like that.

 

-Laelth

You bring it on yourself

[jukin]

Some guy named ian

"Liberalism, in its classic form, is, among other things, the proposition that you get more out of people if you treat them well."

NO! It means you let people do what they want as long as those actions do not bring harm to another. Your brand of Liberalism is nothing but control freakness on steroids.

[Laelth]

You bring it on yourself

No doubt.  I voluntarily came here to read and post.  I knew exactly what I was getting into.

-Laelth

[txradioguy]

No doubt.  I voluntarily came here to read and post.  I knew exactly what I was getting into.

-Laelth

Either you're a masochist and enjoy having your longwinded Libtard diatribes beaten to a pulp or you honestly think you'll convert us.

Either way you're failing.

So I have to go with the third option...you just like the sound of your own voice.

[Freeper]

No doubt.  I voluntarily came here to read and post.  I knew exactly what I was getting into.

-Laelth

Then you knew we don't like leftists here. We tolerate them because we are secure enough in our beliefs that we can stand to see another point of view.

[wasp69]

Either you're a masochist and enjoy having your longwinded Libtard diatribes beaten to a pulp or you honestly think you'll convert us.

Either way you're failing.

So I have to go with the third option...you just like the sound of your own voice.

Option 3 is disruptive troll.

[freedumb2003b]

No doubt.  I voluntarily came here to read and post.  I knew exactly what I was getting into.

-Laelth

Here I sit, brokenhearted...

[freedumb2003b]

No doubt.  I voluntarily came here to read and post.  I knew exactly what I was getting into.

-Laelth

Alternate verse...

Some people come to sit and think...

[Tucker]

Quite recently, I read an article that made what I thought was an interesting point.  Paraphrasing, the jist of the argument was that conservatives believe you can get the best out of people by treating people badly whereas liberals tend to believe that you get the best out of people if you treat them well.

Apparently, there's some truth to that argument.

 

-Laelth

It had to come from some liberal blogger that made a moonbat interpretation of something that I learned in BUS101 almost 40 years ago and that being that type X supervisors believes that workers are inherently lazy and need to be threatened with discipline in order to get them to do any work. Whereas a type Y supervisor believes that people want to work and can perform their duties with minimal supervision. Where the failure comes into play when supervised by a type Y Mgr. is that the hard worker sees the lazy worker take advantage of everyone in the department and a type X Mgr. is needed to bring order back into the workplace.

[Celtic Rose]

Yes, inherited.  I don't know about you, but I certainly didn't "earn" my parents, nor did I "earn" the work ethic I learned from them.  I lucked into it.  What do we do with people whose parents lacked the work ethic that wasp69's parents had?  How are these citizens to blame for their parents' failures?

More importantly, what are we willing to do about it?  My point was that we can't force parents, constitutionally, to create a good work ethic in their children.  So, now what?

 

-Laelth

 

We could start with the school system.  The fact that anybody is able to graduate high school without being able to read or write is testament that we as a society are fostering poor work habits from a young age.  School should be holding children back a grade in the younger years when they don't learn what they are supposed to learn, or failing them when they are older and don't do what they are expected to do. 

There should be a work element to welfare, a certain number of hours of work for society in exchange for your benefits. You don't work, you don't get your benefits, just like a job.  There should be some sort of work element when it comes to benefits like section 8 housing, and there should be consequences for trashing a place. 

Conservative philosophy isn't about being "mean," it is about the fact that in life actions have consequences.  If you work hard you can do very well, if you don't work hard life becomes more challenging.  I don't have a problem with temporary unemployment benefits, after all, anybody can fall on hard times.  I do have a problem with able bodied adults collecting any sort of government benefits long term. 

WIC is an example of a good program.  Limits are set, it is for pregnant women and for families with children 5 and under, and there are guidelines on what you can purchase.  SNAP is an example of a similar program that is not run as well.  No, I don't want people to starve, but why shouldn't they have guidelines on what they can buy with money given to them by the government?  Why not require a certain number of hours of volunteer work to exchange for their SNAP benefits?

Expecting something for nothing is a learned behavior, and like any learned behavior it can be changed. 

[kraven]

Yes, inherited.  I don't know about you, but I certainly didn't "earn" my parents, nor did I "earn" the work ethic I learned from them.  I lucked into it.  What do we do with people whose parents lacked the work ethic that wasp69's parents had?  How are these citizens to blame for their parents' failures?

More importantly, what are we willing to do about it?  My point was that we can't force parents, constitutionally, to create a good work ethic in their children.  So, now what?

 

-Laelth

 

Take their kids off of them. If some slacking piece of shit drug addict can't hold a job, or provide adequate food, shelter, and basic necessities for their kids, they lose custody and the kids are placed with someone who can. Many kids are purposefully brought in to this world simply as a meal ticket from the Govt. Remove those incentives and birth rates will decline. I am not talking a family that loses their job and needs a little time to get back on their feet. Liberals love to confuse the two. I am talking about people that have never held a job, have no intentions of having one, spend years and years, decades on govt assistance and keep spitting out one after the other, making little to no effort to parent appropriately.

[JohnnyReb]

Take their kids off of them. If some slacking piece of shit drug addict can't hold a job, or provide adequate food, shelter, and basic necessities for their kids, they lose custody and the kids are placed with someone who can. Many kids are purposefully brought in to this world simply as a meal ticket from the Govt. Remove those incentives and birth rates will decline. I am not talking a family that loses their job and needs a little time to get back on their feet. Liberals love to confuse the two. I am talking about people that have never held a job, have no intentions of having one, spend years and years, decades on govt assistance and keep spitting out one after the other, making little to no effort to parent appropriately.

Here you go.

Somebody needs to pay for my 15 kids.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBqjZ0KZCa0

[98ZJUSMC]

Quote from: Laelth on Today at 08:47:20 am
Yes, inherited.  I don't know about you, but I certainly didn't "earn" my parents, nor did I "earn" the work ethic I learned from them.

-Laelth

Veering into a gNads word mash of contradiction.

[Laelth]

Veering into a gNads word mash of contradiction.

Excellent.  You get my point, and I am glad to see it.

Regards,

-Laelth

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